Fascinated Never-In

[JustSheila]

it appears the majority of Scientologists are clustered around the locations of orgs and missions, making my location less likely to contain any adherents.

Are there books by L Ron Hubbard in your local public library? If so, has anyone checked them out?

Are there cheap or free seminars promoting things such as "resolve the unconscious moments that affect you" or to fix your life or something like that, in your area? If so, have you verified whether or not they are Scientologists running those seminars?

Are any of your local chiropractors, dentists or other professionals listed as members of W.I.S.E. (World Institute of Scientology Enterprises) - which requires they all pay 10% tithes for "licensing" as members of the Church of Scientology?

Have you Googled if there are any Scientology or Dianetics centers near you?

If not, why not? Why would you assume?

 

[degraded being]

Are there books by L Ron Hubbard in your local public library? If so, has anyone checked them out?

Are there cheap or free seminars promoting things such as "resolve the unconscious moments that affect you" or to fix your life or something like that, in your area? If so, have you verified whether or not they are Scientologists running those seminars?

Are any of your local chiropractors, dentists or other professionals listed as members of W.I.S.E. (World Institute of Scientology Enterprises) - which requires they all pay 10% tithes for "licensing" as members of the Church of Scientology?

Have you Googled if there are any Scientology or Dianetics centers near you?

If not, why not? Why would you assume?

Certainty of knowingness?

 

[FascinatedNeverIn]

Are there books by L Ron Hubbard in your local public library? If so, has anyone checked them out?

Are there cheap or free seminars promoting things such as "resolve the unconscious moments that affect you" or to fix your life or something like that, in your area? If so, have you verified whether or not they are Scientologists running those seminars?

Are any of your local chiropractors, dentists or other professionals listed as members of W.I.S.E. (World Institute of Scientology Enterprises) - which requires they all pay 10% tithes for "licensing" as members of the Church of Scientology?

Have you Googled if there are any Scientology or Dianetics centers near you?

If not, why not? Why would you assume?

Hi Sheila,

I did check my local library and they don't stock Hubbard books. I mentioned somewhere on here that a local market stall had 4 for sale amongst other used books, but I couldn't bring myself to pay money for them.

I must admit I haven't checked for seminars, but I certainly have looked to see if any local businesses are part of WISE. The best source I can find is the Wikileaks 2006 business directory. The only businesses I find there are centred around the nearest orgs, many many miles away. Would be glad to hear if you know of a more up to date directory online...? It seems odd that in 2014 the directory wouldn't be online, on the WISE website.

I have also Googled many times to see if there are any mentions of Dianetics or Sci or any front groups anywhere near here, and there's nothing not a sniff of information - apart the orgs and missions that are far away.

Cheerio.

 

[MrNobody]

Are there books by L Ron Hubbard in your local public library? If so, has anyone checked them out?

LOL, now that was a fun exercise. I just checked http://www.digibib.net, which basically is the roof under which all German public libraries are organized - so if one library doesn't have a certain book, they can order it for you from another library. , a search for "Hubbard, LaFayette" gave 147 hits in the Gemeinsamer Bibliotheksverbund (GBV) catalog, which really isn't much, given that that's basically the master catalog for all German libraries. Some lulzy Hubbardian book titles in some catalogs, e.g. (translated & paraphrased) "Gardening for a greener planet".

Anyway, the demand for Hubbardian "scripture" doesn't seem too high in Germany, or more libraries would hold more of his "works".

Are there cheap or free seminars promoting things such as "resolve the unconscious moments that affect you" or to fix your life or something like that, in your area?

I'm not aware of any.

If so, have you verified whether or not they are Scientologists running those seminars

It'd be pretty hard for me to verify something that I've yet to see.

Are any of your local chiropractors, dentists or other professionals listed as members of W.I.S.E. (World Institute of Scientology Enterprises) - which requires they all pay 10% tithes for "licensing" as members of the Church of Scientology?

As far as I can say, not where I live.

Have you Googled if there are any Scientology or Dianetics centers near you?

Yes, one in Bremen (which I suspect to just some kind of "home office" which probably nobody ever heard about) and one in Hannover which doesn't seem to do too well these days.

If not, why not? Why would you assume?

Some personal statistics from me: Outside of the radius of ESMB, WWP etc, I've only met 1 (one!) person who was definitely a $cientologist and that was a disseminator/leafletter in front of the Hamburg Org. Since I had no time for bullshit at that time, I just left him there. Then there's the FOF (friend of a friend) who had lost his wife, his family, his job, his house and basically everything he's ever had in life to the cult and who now has become a "disgruntle apostate".

When I'm AFK and "out an' about" in the real world, I communicate a lot with a lot of people, but so far, only 2 out of many thousands had definitely been $cientologists for some time of their lives and at least one of 'em is definitely out now. If I wanted to be really paranoid, I could add another 2 or 3 people who I suspect might have been "licked" by some Scilon or some "WISE" consultant, but that's really it.

So there you have it - 2 scilons out of countless thousands of people and over a timespan over 50+ years. Therefore I think a statement like "It'd be highly unlikely that I'd met a $cientologist where I live" is just realistic and locations like Clearwater or LA are the exception, not the norm.

Jus' my €0.02

 

[FascinatedNeverIn]

I did a search of the libraries online that are within about 70 miles.

There are two books by Hubbard - both novels - kept at the warehouse and able to be delivered to a local library.

The nearest big city has 5 copies of Dianetics, and a couple of novels across about 12 libraries.

 

[MissWog]

South Florida libraries have a shit ton of books..fiction and $ci..I always figured it was the library campaign that did it... Not nearly as many back in Northern Va, outside DC.

i verified just a week ago (by asking) if my dentist or podiatrist were members of WISE.. They gave me a funny look and asked what it was

my hubby is seeing a chiropractor for an injury and I want to look up if they are involved in $ci..how would I do that?

As for mOrgs, the closest one I can find in Miami and we see that one is in trouble

 

[TG1]

Dear Fascinated,

If you are, as you say, fascinated by Scientology, I recommend that you attempt to sate your fascination by reading some books written by those who became fascinated by the subject before you did. To wit, I recommend that you obtain and read one or more of the following books:

* Lawrence Wright, Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood and the Prison of Belief

I recommend that you first tackle Wright's book, as it is a recently published, well researched, highly readable book written by a Pulitzer prize-winning author.​

Also excellent are these older works:

* Jon Atack, A Piece of Blue Sky

* Bent Corydon, Messiah or Madman?

These books have the great advantage over those penned by L. Ron Hubbard in that you will actually want to turn their pages.

I've read many other books about Scientology. If your fascination propels you further, you'll discover that dozens of people have written books to tell us where their own fascination with Scientology led them.

I remain yours, albeit no longer very fascinated with Scientology,

TG1

 

[rich]

Dear Fascinated: Here is a free library if you want it.
http://www.ronsorg.ch/english/libraryenglish.htm

 

[Sindy]

I find myself struck (weird after all this time) how many of our posters here are "never-ins". Anyone have a guess at the percentage of active members who are "ex" vs "never-in"?

By the way, I LOVE all the "never-ins".

In the Scientology spirit is there anything we can abbreviate that down to?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I find myself struck (weird after all this time) how many of our posters here are "never-ins". Anyone have a guess at the percentage of active members who are "ex" vs "never-in"?

By the way, I LOVE all the "never-ins".

In the Scientology spirit is there anything we can abbreviate that down to?

Yes.

A F/N

Actually maybe it should be written AFN.

(Affinity For Never-ins)

 

[FascinatedNeverIn]

Thanks for the suggestions, peeps.

Blue Sky, Going Clear and a couple of others have been on my Amazon wishlist for a few months and are gradually making their way up to the top.

As for abbreviations (speaking as a noob), getting past the initial flood of F/Ns, KRs, AOSHs, C/Sup, TRs, Dev-Ts, Comm Evs, PCs, EP, EPF and all the rest was (and continues to be) a huge test of determination. I fear that many casual surfers who might want to educate themselves about the cult will give up long before they discover the most important bits.

I believe I read somewhere that this is what cults do - create their own language to keep the group together - but, here in the outside world, it would be wonderful for us noobs if more exs, and even long-time never-ins, would maybe write the long version every so often. I still can't be sure in my head what an F/N or Dev-T is. And I can't even be sure EP is even a Sci abbreviation!

 

[ThetanExterior]

Thanks for the suggestions, peeps.

Blue Sky, Going Clear and a couple of others have been on my Amazon wishlist for a few months and are gradually making their way up to the top.

As for abbreviations (speaking as a noob), getting past the initial flood of F/Ns, KRs, AOSHs, C/Sup, TRs, Dev-Ts, Comm Evs, PCs, EP, EPF and all the rest was (and continues to be) a huge test of determination. I fear that many casual surfers who might want to educate themselves about the cult will give up long before they discover the most important bits.

I believe I read somewhere that this is what cults do - create their own language to keep the group together - but, here in the outside world, it would be wonderful for us noobs if more exs, and even long-time never-ins, would maybe write the long version every so often. I still can't be sure in my head what an F/N or Dev-T is. And I can't even be sure EP is even a Sci abbreviation!

EP is definitely a Sci expression. It stands for End Phenomenon. That is what happens at the end of an auditing (counselling session). The auditor is supposed to see a floating needle on the e-meter (F/N) and VGIs (very good indicators) - in other words, the person is smiling. These are part of the End Phenomena of an auditing process.

Dev-T is Developed Traffic. In other words it means actions that are being done unnecessarily. If someone is giving you unnecessary work then you could say it is dev-t. In other words, a waste of time.

There is so much of this lingo that you really need to get access to a dictionary to understand it and, even then, a lot of it probably won't make sense because you haven't actually been involved with it. But at least it should help a bit.

 

[MissWog]

Over the last few years I have managed to learn and understand by looking it up on another tab in my browser here are some resources

http://www.xenu.net/archive/dictionary/

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/wakefield/us-14.html

 

[FascinatedNeverIn]

EP is definitely a Sci expression. It stands for End Phenomenon. That is what happens at the end of an auditing (counselling session). The auditor is supposed to see a floating needle on the e-meter (F/N) and VGIs (very good indicators) - in other words, the person is smiling. These are part of the End Phenomena of an auditing process.

Dev-T is Developed Traffic. In other words it means actions that are being done unnecessarily. If someone is giving you unnecessary work then you could say it is dev-t. In other words, a waste of time.

There is so much of this lingo that you really need to get access to a dictionary to understand it and, even then, a lot of it probably won't make sense because you haven't actually been involved with it. But at least it should help a bit.

Thanks for the extremely clear explanation! That has really helped.

It's difficult piecing the myriad snippets of info together into a timeline of what happens when. I've never found a succinct explanation in one place of what the average Scientologist will experience when they are 'in'. Scis are maddeningly evasive about their 'wins', and exes don't seem to explain much about what their realisations were. To me, they all seem to be describing what the average person on the street might come up with on their own just by thinking.

Sci: "I paid $1,000 to learn to confront about getting a job. WOW. I'm blowing charge!"

Bloke on street: "After being unable to find a job, I realised I ought to visit some local companies and hand over my CV personally."

 

[ThetanExterior]

Thanks for the extremely clear explanation! That has really helped.

It's difficult piecing the myriad snippets of info together into a timeline of what happens when. I've never found a succinct explanation in one place of what the average Scientologist will experience when they are 'in'. Scis are maddeningly evasive about their 'wins', and exes don't seem to explain much about what their realisations were. To me, they all seem to be describing what the average person on the street might come up with on their own just by thinking.

Sci: "I paid $1,000 to learn to confront about getting a job. WOW. I'm blowing charge!"

Bloke on street: "After being unable to find a job, I realised I ought to visit some local companies and hand over my CV personally."

I suppose the best example of a timeline is the Bridge To Total Freedom. If you can locate a copy of this then you'll see it has a series of steps that a Scientologist is supposed to take. There are two sides to it - processing (being counselled) and training (learning to counsel others). Each Scientologist is supposed to go up both sides of the Bridge.

The problem you have though is that everyone is different. Not everyone goes up both sides of the Bridge and some people go a lot further than others therefore different people have different experiences. Also some people join staff, some join the Sea Org and some just remain as public.

It always irritates me when I read that "Scientologists believe in xenu and space aliens ....." because that isn't necessarily true. That information comes on one of the upper levels and in my experience most Scientologists never reach that level therefore they don't know anything about xenu or space aliens.

What I've said so far is just a very small piece of the jigsaw that is Scientology. There is far too much to discuss here but suffice to say you won't find all ex-Scientologists telling the same story of their experiences. There will be similarities but also many differences.