FCDC circa 1970

[Churchill]

Just now saw this. No I am far from perfect, just ask my wife. I am just fucking lucky. That is all.

Winston,

I wasn't criticizing your lack of infallibility at all.

On the contrary, it was a poor attempt at self-deprecating humor on my part.

You wrote it 3 or 4 years ago, and I had just read it for the 1st time,

and it really was a great post.

I have to take better care of my words,

so as not to be misunderstood.

 

[CO2]

The last day I saw you then was at the staff briefing in the Chapel.

It was the one where C/S 5 Judy Ziff gave to the staff a briefing about LRH.

That's where she said that even LRH gets auditing two and a half hours a day.

Then a starry-eyed staff member said "Wow! I wonder what he gets auditing on?"

To which Chuck Judge replied, "Probably O/W's" and a bunch of us around Chuck laughed.

The next day Kathy told me you were pulled off of post.

I went to everybody to find out why.

Finally someone in the GO, I think it was Duke Snyder's wife (although I'm not sure) told me you had criticized LRH and they believed you were probably a plant from the U.S. Army.

I told her I didn't believe it.

I asked Chuck if he got into trouble for his joke.

He just said "Oh, yeah." (I think he got sec-checked for it)

My memory isn't what it used to be, so I could have some of these names and dates confused (but not about Chuck)

I don't need to tell you how the org started to deteriorate after that.

Looking back, I think the Sea Org folks were a little concerned about our independence of thought.

Chuck Judge admired LRH tremendously, but he was only joking (and it was a good joke).

But I really do believe that the Sea Org folks were afraid of us.

The Anabaptist Jacques

I've told this several times before, so for those who've read it previously, I apologize.

Phil Spickler told me this, and Bob Harvey's widow, Connie Hamilton, confirmed it for me.

Back when, LRH was at FCDC, and Bob Harvey was in charge of the mail room in the basement.

On a wall Bob had a white toilet seat with the words,"OUR FLOUNDER" (sic) written on it.

A photo of Ron framed in the center..

Back when

 

[CO2]

weird thought i had the other night. went to a mr. ipts work function. umm, they called it a party.
the guys with no wife. i think they were looked at sideways.
god it must suck being a man.

i mean single women could have shown up, probably get some sympathy.
but a fifty year old man with no wife?

i thought scientology would teach me all these things, like they would all make sense.
but, still i flounder.

fortunately, there are plenty of artists to point out these quirks.
but in scientology, the artists had duct tape over their mouths.

My father had a friend, Perry MacDonald, in Carmel Valley, CA, He lived to be 106, and died sometime in the mid 1960s. I remember him well. He lived alone for the fourteen or more years that I knew him. He planted 70 acres of corn each year; shot the wild boars that came on his land; repaired his tractors, trucks, cars, and everything else on his farm. He chopped the wood for his wood stove. He played chess and checkers nearly every day. He was a very warm friendly happy man. I seriously doubt that he ever lost any mental facilities. He was engaged in life to the last day.

A former PC (Processing Client) of mine, who posts weekly on ESMB, from Denmark is over 80, and has never been married. I talk to him weekly. He leads a delightful life. Even with the cold, he bicycles for miles. His joy of life is evident. His girl friend, not live in, ninety years of age, died a few years back. He travels, he holds meetings, he publishes, writes.

There are people, who are whole, without a companion.

There are certainly others, who are not whole despite being married.

At the core, I think, is comfort with self.

 

[Commander Birdsong]

The last day I saw you then was at the staff briefing in the Chapel.

It was the one where C/S 5 Judy Ziff gave to the staff a briefing about LRH.

That's where she said that even LRH gets auditing two and a half hours a day.

Then a starry-eyed staff member said "Wow! I wonder what he gets auditing on?"

To which Chuck Judge replied, "Probably O/W's" and a bunch of us around Chuck laughed.

The next day Kathy told me you were pulled off of post.

I went to everybody to find out why.

Finally someone in the GO, I think it was Duke Snyder's wife (although I'm not sure) told me you had criticized LRH and they believed you were probably a plant from the U.S. Army.

I told her I didn't believe it.

I asked Chuck if he got into trouble for his joke.

He just said "Oh, yeah." (I think he got sec-checked for it)

My memory isn't what it used to be, so I could have some of these names and dates confused (but not about Chuck)

I don't need to tell you how the org started to deteriorate after that.

Looking back, I think the Sea Org folks were a little concerned about our independence of thought.

Chuck Judge admired LRH tremendously, but he was only joking (and it was a good joke).

But I really do believe that the Sea Org folks were afraid of us.

The Anabaptist Jacques

i was pulled off post maybe two or three weeks after ms. ziff blew through and much later was told that it happened because of something i'm alleged to have said though in truth i'm sure i had said nothing because i already knew so much loonytune things happened over nothing...

and, the week before kathie had gone on a medical leave of absence which happened because she'd gone to some asshole moron doctor who had prescribed fukkin' BARBITUATES for her and no one caught it so she was drugged halfway senseless and she had you covering for her on the comm course so she could come home and lie down. so she had gone back to philly for a week (and years later told me she'd gone to see the old boyfriend she wound up marrying but then she "didn't feel anything for him") and she was back in dc.

george mcdaniel had left staff and was getting auditing as a public and i had him for a 12 1/2 hr weekend intensive on gr 1 but i could only get in a little over three hours on him because he wound up blown away keyed out huge grin can't-kill-it-with-a-hatchet persistent f/n so i dropped him at the examiner and checked the redtag line where 2 staff were found. i hauled lithe sweetfaced linda purdue in and couldn't solve her soaring TA and on the way to exam, c.o. comm. pat wisner grabs me and takes me to the basement of 1820 to talk to this tall buxom long straight blond poster girl for goebbels master race gorgeous chickie-poo in a dumbass sailor suit who says "flag knows about you" and stupid shit that i am i thought someone on the apollo had actually figured out that i was the essential catalyst that made the chemistry happen between all of our hotshots who created that unprecedented and still unparalleled fcdc boom...

hah!!!

no...

i was now "on guardian lines", i was being investigated and i was not to speak to any staff members. that last instruction is what sealed the deal for me...

i go over to the GO in ron and mary sue's bedroom on the second floor at 1827 and they tell me to come back in the morning. i spend the night with kathie but since she's a staff member i say nothing. i come to the GO in the morning as instructed. no. not now. go to the office near dupont circle to address and stamp GO mail. by this time i'm getting ticked and i take it on my work and process nearly double what the other young man at the table does. a second appointment is made for the afternoon. that gets cancelled. come to the GO after dinner...

7:00 PM i show up and the office is locked and i sit on the steps leading to the third floor until 8:30

fuck this shit. there's sunny skies shorter hours and better pay to be had somewhere else...

and when i tell kathie she's already on the same page...

two weeks in philly then off to noo yawk...

then the next year is when life gets verrrrrrry interesting...

 

[Winston Smith]

There are people, who are whole, without a companion.

There are certainly others, who are not whole despite being married.

At the core, I think, is comfort with self.

In defense of ipt, she said a 50 year old man. I see a difference between that and the elderly. Of course one has to be happy in one's own skin, but I think her point may be that a man in the prime of life without a wife is looked at a bit wierdly.

I was at a high school get together at a bar/restaurant in N Virginia a year ago or so. I do not wear a wedding ring because it messes with my cello playing. I cannot tell you how many women glanced at my left hand and got this wierd look and walked away. I could have said something, but I figure it was their loss. That reaction is what ipt is referring to, not to anything you wrote in particular.

 

[CO2]

In defense of ipt, she said a 50 year old man. I see a difference between that and the elderly. Of course one has to be happy in one's own skin, but I think her point may be that a man in the prime of life without a wife is looked at a bit wierdly.

I was at a high school get together at a bar/restaurant in N Virginia a year ago or so. I do not wear a wedding ring because it messes with my cello playing. I cannot tell you how many women glanced at my left hand and got this wierd look and walked away. I could have said something, but I figure it was their loss. That reaction is what ipt is referring to, not to anything you wrote in particular.

I think "elderly" is probably a frame of mind, not an age.

My great grandfather, age 96, died while playing tennis in Pacific Grove, CA.

When I was 20-24, approximately, my girl friend was 46-50. It was NOT a cougar kind of thing. We were OTs and auditors, libertarians, had similar reading and interests. She is still one of my best friends. Last time I talked with her, she was running out the door to go to the gym. She skis as much as I do. She boats (sail) more than I do. She travels more than I do. She is as hot today, as she was back then. She was born in 1926. If we both weren't married, I'd be hitting on her again.

I have never wore a wedding ring. I work with my hands a lot, and having something to snag is just stupid. i'm 62.

We live part time in a beach community. It's always a pleasure to have a younger woman or group of women invite me to go dancing, walk with them to their cottage, etc. I'm not on FaceBook, because I know of too many women from my past, who are looking for a guy.

i ride horses. It's mainly a woman's' game these days. After introducing one 40s (age) United stew (former Orange Bowl Princess) to galloping, I was invited to go skinny dipping with her.

The past few months, I've been accompanying one of my daughter in laws to a faux EST set of seminars. I'm in my 60s, she's in her 40s. Many assumed we were man and wife; the people we chose to hang with (and vice versa) were in their 20s and 30s.

When I was a senior in high school, my girl friend was a student teacher at the same school. She would teach her first period class (art); i would go to my first period class, (speech, philosophy), and then we would leave together.

After school was out in June, I helped her move out of the apartment that she was sharing with her husband. Her statement was that I loved her all the time. She's about 68 now, and over the years, it has been true, that we have never kissed when one of us wasn't married.

A geeky guy, at 20, at32, at 50 is a geeky guy.

a wall flower is a wall flower at any age.

My father, who died of a doctor induced mistake in his 80s (during a minor surgery), was planning on going to Lake Tahoe with his girl friend the next day, if he hadn't accidentally died.

 

[Dakota River]

Hey, you Florida folks, No Zeno in particularly particular. I was watching some videos reporting on the Western Iceshelf in Antarctica. That sucker, at the bottom, is below sea-level and there is great concern of it just sliding off into the jolly ol' ocean. If such occurs, is estimated ocean rise 2-3 meters. At which time the real-estate values in Florida will get divided by zero.

 

[Winston Smith]

In that there have been mentions of lots of people that were at FCDC when I was there and I don't know them, it just proves that place worked me like a dog and all I got was about $18 a week. This after one of my first jobs was at a restaurant where I made $200 a week minimum in tips. I guess that had an influence on my walking out the door too. But I do remember Rebecca and Cindy Kruscinski and Leslie Shields and some others. But I was a worker bee who didn't get to know very many people.

Moving that shoidt from 1812/14 to 2120 S Street was a major pain in the butt, and I didn't feel like anyone gave a schoidt about the fact that I was up all night long doing it.

Living well is the best revenge. I am having the time of my life enjoying cello playing now, what I want and where I want. Had a chemistry teacher once who said "Clean living wins. In the end." He was right.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Hey, you Florida folks, No Zeno in particularly particular. I was watching some videos reporting on the Western Iceshelf in Antarctica. That sucker, at the bottom, is below sea-level and there is great concern of it just sliding off into the jolly ol' ocean. If such occurs, is estimated ocean rise 2-3 meters. At which time the real-estate values in Florida will get divided by zero.

If that happens then I might end up with beach front property.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

In that there have been mentions of lots of people that were at FCDC when I was there and I don't know them, it just proves that place worked me like a dog and all I got was about $18 a week. This after one of my first jobs was at a restaurant where I made $200 a week minimum in tips. I guess that had an influence on my walking out the door too. But I do remember Rebecca and Cindy Kruscinski and Leslie Shields and some others. But I was a worker bee who didn't get to know very many people.

Moving that shoidt from 1812/14 to 2120 S Street was a major pain in the butt, and I didn't feel like anyone gave a schoidt about the fact that I was up all night long doing it.

Living well is the best revenge. I am having the time of my life enjoying cello playing now, what I want and where I want. Had a chemistry teacher once who said "Clean living wins. In the end." He was right.

Students and PCs never tip.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Gib]

My father had a friend, Perry MacDonald, in Carmel Valley, CA, He lived to be 106, and died sometime in the mid 1960s. I remember him well. He lived alone for the fourteen or more years that I knew him. He planted 70 acres of corn each year; shot the wild boars that came on his land; repaired his tractors, trucks, cars, and everything else on his farm. He chopped the wood for his wood stove. He played chess and checkers nearly every day. He was a very warm friendly happy man. I seriously doubt that he ever lost any mental facilities. He was engaged in life to the last day.

A former PC (Processing Client) of mine, who posts weekly on ESMB, from Denmark is over 80, and has never been married. I talk to him weekly. He leads a delightful life. Even with the cold, he bicycles for miles. His joy of life is evident. His girl friend, not live in, ninety years of age, died a few years back. He travels, he holds meetings, he publishes, writes.

There are people, who are whole, without a companion.

There are certainly others, who are not whole despite being married.

At the core, I think, is comfort with self.

sounds like being self determined for both your examples.

as opposed to hubbards 8 dynamics.

And your fathers friend, Perry, never had dianetics & scientology, I presume?

And your fathers friend, as you say, was engaged in life. I do not think that is possible in scientology as one's engagement in life is being a salesman for scientology what with all the FSMing, success stories, putting on a happy face, PRing, et al ------one is supposed to do, in scientology, the religion.

LOL, at scientology.

 

[CO2]

Students and PCs never tip.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[In present time]

My father had a friend, Perry MacDonald, in Carmel Valley, CA, He lived to be 106, and died sometime in the mid 1960s. I remember him well. He lived alone for the fourteen or more years that I knew him. He planted 70 acres of corn each year; shot the wild boars that came on his land; repaired his tractors, trucks, cars, and everything else on his farm. He chopped the wood for his wood stove. He played chess and checkers nearly every day. He was a very warm friendly happy man. I seriously doubt that he ever lost any mental facilities. He was engaged in life to the last day.

A former PC (Processing Client) of mine, who posts weekly on ESMB, from Denmark is over 80, and has never been married. I talk to him weekly. He leads a delightful life. Even with the cold, he bicycles for miles. His joy of life is evident. His girl friend, not live in, ninety years of age, died a few years back. He travels, he holds meetings, he publishes, writes.

There are people, who are whole, without a companion.

There are certainly others, who are not whole despite being married.

At the core, I think, is comfort with self.

so true.
it was just a random thought i had... still trying to figure out this culture and society thing.
and it really did seem weird...

 

[Commander Birdsong]

sounds like being self determined for both your examples.

as opposed to hubbards 8 dynamics.

And your fathers friend, Perry, never had dianetics & scientology, I presume?

And your fathers friend, as you say, was engaged in life. I do not think that is possible in scientology as one's engagement in life is being a salesman for scientology what with all the FSMing, success stories, putting on a happy face, PRing, et al ------one is supposed to do, in scientology, the religion.

LOL, at scientology.

those eight dynamics are a functional concept gibbitty...

jeez...

poison 'em, tie 'em to hubbards hindquarters and kick him into hell is it?

naw...

i go long on being a seventh dynamic kind of dude man and it rocks. also very big with the eight-ball dynamic; That Which Is Greater Than Ourselves; The Great Spirit; the christ; god wo is god the living god; the giant princess phone in the sky man...

and the fifth dynamic is so au courant in recent decades sugarplum...

like you think maybe it's just some weirdo horsecrap to sit holding cans while some night of the living dead student auditor says "how could you help the fifth dynamic" over and over but dig dig dig amigo this is EXACTLY how the ecologistics got spawned and we all cleaned up so much air and lakes and rivers man; is buddhist; what we wankers do in session turns The Wheel Of Dharma man...

 

[In present time]

In defense of ipt, she said a 50 year old man. I see a difference between that and the elderly. Of course one has to be happy in one's own skin, but I think her point may be that a man in the prime of life without a wife is looked at a bit wierdly.

I was at a high school get together at a bar/restaurant in N Virginia a year ago or so. I do not wear a wedding ring because it messes with my cello playing. I cannot tell you how many women glanced at my left hand and got this wierd look and walked away. I could have said something, but I figure it was their loss. That reaction is what ipt is referring to, not to anything you wrote in particular.

yeah that is what i meant, just how many eggshells people step on, constantly.
everyone else was probably having stray thoughts, like me, but no ever talks about them. at least, not around here.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2_2lGkEU4Xs&desktop_uri=/watch?v=2_2lGkEU4Xs

 

[Gib]

those eight dynamics are a functional concept gibbitty...

jeez...

poison 'em, tie 'em to hubbards hindquarters and kick him into hell is it?

naw...

i go long on being a seventh dynamic kind of dude man and it rocks. also very big with the eight-ball dynamic; That Which Is Greater Than Ourselves; The Great Spirit; the christ; god wo is god the living god; the giant princess phone in the sky man...

and the fifth dynamic is so au courant in recent decades sugarplum...

like you think maybe it's just some weirdo horsecrap to sit holding cans while some night of the living dead student auditor says "how could you help the fifth dynamic" over and over but dig dig dig amigo this is EXACTLY how the ecologistics got spawned and we all cleaned up so much air and lakes and rivers man; is buddhist; what we wankers do in session turns The Wheel Of Dharma man...

good for you,

I differ.

But, I'm only concerned about getting lurkers to get out of the present time COS.

So, you ain't my target audience.

 

[Commander Birdsong]

good for you,

I differ.

But, I'm only concerned about getting lurkers to get out of the present time COS.

So, you ain't my target audience.

no man i'm gone forty years...

but the good ideas are GOOD man!

i wish more people would pick up on it. those basic concepts are very workable. for me the key is i always held tight with simple judeochristian sensibilities and the bill of rights. and the simple reaches right on up into what may be termed "OT"

and fukkin' psychiatry is fukkin electroshock and lobotomy in a bottle drugs and atheist behaviourist man is mud shit and it's not as bad as it used to be because the fukkin' dianeticists have spearheaded major reform...

and CoS has been scrooched from within by major league assholes getting others to be big league assholes

we need what it can be man

but it can't be about the cash. if it's about auditing and auditor training and the soul of it's Ethos is to audit for the pc it is a balm upon humanity, it is oil on troubled waters...

 

[Winston Smith]

CO2 I notice your avatar says...Close to "The Farm" Are you referring to the CIA safe house somewhere around Manassas, VA? Or the CIA training place at Fort AP Hill? That is what it reminds me of...

ha

 

[Winston Smith]

no man i'm gone forty years...

but the good ideas are GOOD man!

i wish more people would pick up on it. those basic concepts are very workable. for me the key is i always held tight with simple judeochristian sensibilities and the bill of rights. and the simple reaches right on up into what may be termed "OT"

and fukkin' psychiatry is fukkin electroshock and lobotomy in a bottle drugs and atheist behaviourist man is mud shit and it's not as bad as it used to be because the fukkin' dianeticists have spearheaded major reform...

and CoS has been scrooched from within by major league assholes getting others to be big league assholes

we need what it can be man

but it can't be about the cash. if it's about auditing and auditor training and the soul of it's Ethos is to audit for the pc it is a balm upon humanity, it is oil on troubled waters...

My dear Commander,

Bull shit.

Sincerely,
Winnie der Schmidt

 

[Commander Birdsong]

The last day I saw you then was at the staff briefing in the Chapel.

It was the one where C/S 5 Judy Ziff gave to the staff a briefing about LRH.

That's where she said that even LRH gets auditing two and a half hours a day.

Then a starry-eyed staff member said "Wow! I wonder what he gets auditing on?"

To which Chuck Judge replied, "Probably O/W's" and a bunch of us around Chuck laughed.

The next day Kathy told me you were pulled off of post.

I went to everybody to find out why.

Finally someone in the GO, I think it was Duke Snyder's wife (although I'm not sure) told me you had criticized LRH and they believed you were probably a plant from the U.S. Army.

I told her I didn't believe it.

I asked Chuck if he got into trouble for his joke.

He just said "Oh, yeah." (I think he got sec-checked for it)

My memory isn't what it used to be, so I could have some of these names and dates confused (but not about Chuck)

I don't need to tell you how the org started to deteriorate after that.

Looking back, I think the Sea Org folks were a little concerned about our independence of thought.

Chuck Judge admired LRH tremendously, but he was only joking (and it was a good joke).

But I really do believe that the Sea Org folks were afraid of us.

The Anabaptist Jacques

you know the really funny thing about them thinking i was an army plant is that although i didn't know it i actually was a u.s.army plant...

it goes right back to fort knox end of september '68 when i first heard of ron and scientology from a copy of life magazine i read one saturday afternoon in the troop dayroom. and on monday they issued me a colt .45 and checked me out for running R2-45 to EP

i am an auditor muthuhfukkah!

i was born one mornin' when the sun didn't shine
i picked up a shovel and i went to the mine
i loaded 16 ton of number nine coal
straw boss said "well bless my soul
you load sixteen tons
and what do you get?
another day older and deeper in debt"
saint peter don't you call me
'cause i can't go
i owe my soul to the company store