Fifth/Sixth Dynamic... Our changing BioSphere

[uniquemand]

http://www.youtube.com/homeproject

I'll be interested to see what people's view of this free film are. It comes out tomorrow.

 

[Tim Skog]

The link to this video was already posted in Off topic discussion by Pascal yesterday. It's certainly thought provoking, so the more this is seen the better.

 

[uniquemand]

Oh, well, I bow to Pascal. But I agree that the more it's seen the better.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

It has some very interesting cinematography, something that probably should be seen on the big screen to be fully appreciated.

 

[programmer_guy]

I liked one program that I saw on The History Channel recently a bit better than that one. A lot of stuff like this is sold on DVD at history.com.

For your convenience, here are some links:

How the Earth Was Made

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aklZa8BWhE

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OGDku0fIEo&feature=related

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yyTIcgRnXA&feature=related

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FbwbzS9b4M&feature=related

Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKRat3JdQdA&feature=related

Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXdJ0pcH1sg&feature=related

Part 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tn8L4gv1ho&feature=related

Part 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEedEy5xIW4&feature=related

Part 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljvpwhi9WVs&feature=related

Part 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmlKm67rheM&feature=related

 

[Dulloldfart]

I'll be interested to see what people's view of this free film are. It comes out tomorrow.

Beautiful. The aesthetics are amazing.

Oh. By the way, we're all fucked.

Paul

 

[uniquemand]

I found it to be a call to arms, a la Al Gore's slideshow. I would agree that the Earth is going to change in ways that are hard to understand or predict, and that our previous way of life is "fucked", but I don't think that we, as a people, are doomed, though I do think that many species of fish, plant, etc., are indeed fucked. It's ironic that the one animal responsible for creating conditions that causes massive extinction, accidentally, is also best able to adapt to those changes.

 

[programmer_guy]

...but I don't think that we, as a people, are doomed, ...

I agree... we are not doomed.
It just takes some time for people and organizations to switch to solutions that are coming out.

For example, low power consuming, high density, compute servers (e.g. the Fortuna) are now being made (and in the $400USD per unit price range).

 

[uniquemand]

Well, that's good (on the server front), but it's really not the computers that are the problem. It's the vehicles and the industrial waste. GM folding is a VERY GOOD THING on that front. I wish the US would just have let GM completely disappear. Hopefully they'll have learned their lesson and start coming out with alternative-fueled cars, and much higher economy cars using the existing fuel infrastructure. It's a start. It won't fit the 10-year window that the film depicted, though. We also need to put our technological acument to solving the problem of carbon and methane SCRUBBING, right now. It's not enough to stop output of these gases, it will require some fixing. Really, if we invested a tenth of our military budget in planting trees, that would be VERY helpful.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Really, if we invested a tenth of our military budget in planting trees, that would be VERY helpful.

It would be even more helpful if we planted all of Congress and the Senate too, with maybe a couple of exceptions. They might not be the driving force behind all the crap but they sure as hell have approved it all while accepting payment for their services.

Paul

 

[uniquemand]

Lol. They also use a lot of oxygen in the process. Yes, planting the politicians would make me happy. I'm for direct democracy. Why do we need these politicos? Why not just vote directly on issues and solutions, ourselves? We have the means through the internet, now, why do we need intermediaries?

 

[programmer_guy]

Why not just vote directly on issues and solutions, ourselves?

We already do vote on many issues at the ballot box.

However total majority rule on everything would be a travesty.
Individual rights, and individual decension, would be destroyed in the system you seem to be proposing.

 

[uniquemand]

I'm confused about why you would say that, Programmer Guy. Are you proposing that we rely on people to have better understanding of issues for us? I can see the need for expert testimony and presentation of issues, but I don't see the need for someone else interpreting that for me, rather than me voting on it directly.

 

[The Clam]

This movie is a dog and pony show to sell us on carbon taxes and credit. The film is artfully mad to manipulate the viewer into the mind set that earth is running out of resources which is pure and utter bs. Take oil for example, oil is not made up of decayed plant and animal life its a byproduct of earth itself. If it took decayed organism to product petrol we would of run out a long time ago.
Yan has put this film together with the help of the UN who don't give two shits for the planet or its retarded inhalants. Those third world denizens who the narrator tells us about leaves out a lots of info as to why they have not progressing and living in squalor. If your interested read " The confessions of an economic hit man"
The world bank and the IMF want us to pay carbon taxes so they can create a carbon credit exchange which will be worth over 2 trillion. Gore who own Occidental Petroleum and is heir to the Arm and Hammer Wealth is going to clean up on those carbon taxes.
They will tax cow,pig and any other live stock farts , in new zealand they want to implement a $250,000 on ranchers with 500 cow. This tax will bankrupt the country of NZ. In usa the government wants to tax small farmers 500 for each cow but corp. farm only pay 500 for 10000s of animals. The fart tax will put most of the small farmers out of business. As a side note the usa gov wants small farmer to install tracking chips in their animals that cost about 100 for each animal. But guess what the corp farms don't need to do this.
There will be a carbon tax of 21 cents for every kwh of electrical energy you
use. There will be a carbon tax on every mile you drive, fly, and boat.
IN other words the bankster have created a way to tax every thing on the planet earth.
There are no scarcities of food, fuel, shelter or anything else only sick twisted elitist ready to make slaves of us all by creating them. Your only true commodity is time. And they steal most of it from you.Thur taxes, wars, and any other ways they can think of. Most people work from jan to may just to pay the IRS which is a collection agency for the federal Reserve banking system, the money you think that goes toward road, wars, welfare goes to the fed not one dime goes to road, wars , welfare etc.

 

[uniquemand]

uh... The Clam?

 

[programmer_guy]

I'm confused about why you would say that, Programmer Guy. Are you proposing that we rely on people to have better understanding of issues for us? I can see the need for expert testimony and presentation of issues, but I don't see the need for someone else interpreting that for me, rather than me voting on it directly.

As I said, we already do vote on many issues at the ballot box.
What are you proposing that is different than what we already have?
If you provide an example it would help me understand you.

 

[uniquemand]

Well, at the ballot box, we vote for CANDIDATES, who then are supposed to represent our interests (but they dont', they represent the interests of the people who pay for them to be elected while speaking platitudes to us).

Why not, instead, vote directly on the issues?

In California, there is a system in place voting directly for issues (but not all issues, just big ones on the news, for the most part, or budget items), and in other states, there are sometimes items put on the ballot, also, but hardly all the issues that come before congress in a town or state or the country. I'd rather vote directly than have some ass-monkey paid for by Halliburton vote "for me".

 

[programmer_guy]

Well, at the ballot box, we vote for CANDIDATES, who then are supposed to represent our interests (but they dont', they represent the interests of the people who pay for them to be elected while speaking platitudes to us).

Why not, instead, vote directly on the issues?

In California, there is a system in place voting directly for issues (but not all issues, just big ones on the news, for the most part, or budget items), and in other states, there are sometimes items put on the ballot, also, but hardly all the issues that come before congress in a town or state or the country. I'd rather vote directly than have some ass-monkey paid for by Halliburton vote "for me".

Interesting. Would you provide an example issue?

 

[uniquemand]

Okay, although I'm not sure why it matters.

For example, what if the American people had directly voted on the decision of whether or not to send our military into Iraq?

 

[programmer_guy]

Okay, although I'm not sure why it matters.

For example, what if the American people had directly voted on the decision of whether or not to send our military into Iraq?

Oh, I thought that you were going to talk about environmental issues.

IMO, the power to declare war should be left to the Congress to decide and not the President, according to our U.S. Constitution. If you want this to be different then you will need to make an ammendment to the Constitution.


Anyway, do you see any difference, in presentation, between the video linked at the top of this thread and the videos that I linked to? There is a big difference - the 1st seems to be politically oriented and mine is mostly scientifically oriented. There is a difference. Please take the time to watch them.