Flag Interrogatory!

[nexus100]

I commented in passing somewhere before.

We have reached the end game, no matter how long it plays out.

Can't we still have a teacup sized Scientology, with a sweet little chapel in the back, maybe with some clematis and fragrant wisteria dripping down?

After all, if the COS goes, the ESMB will follow. Is the end of Scientology worth THAT?

 

[Thrak]

Yeah, it'd be good if people would answer these questions truthfully, but most won't, 'cause they will know what will happen if they do.

You would be aware that for whatever stupid or insane reason, one cannot just have an idea or concept themselves, if that idea or concept points out a negative with management or the SO. It would be labelled as an "enemy line", then they'd try and trace it back to who started this enemy line in an effort to destroy the church. What bullshit!

This stuff still makes me feel somewhat ill - it's still going on.

I usually answered more truthfully than most on surveys. "What is most urgent?" "None of the above" I would say or something like that to some dismayed 16 year old. I was secretly suppressing the thoughts that scn had no clue how to "handle" this culture and was crazy to think they did. Now it feels great to be able to be TRULY honest.

 

[Rae]

I usually answered more truthfully than most on surveys. "What is most urgent?" "None of the above" I would say or something like that to some dismayed 16 year old. I was secretly suppressing the thoughts that scn had no clue how to "handle" this culture and was crazy to think they did. Now it feels great to be able to be TRULY honest.

Thrak..FYI..this isn't a survey..I noticed you've called it that a couple times I believe..it's an HCO Interrogatory..quite a bit different than a survey! They are looking for a "who" as to why FSMs are having trouble FSMing for Flag..there's obviously been some problems and I can only imagine what has come up as most of the top Flag FSMs are OTVlls and Vllls.

That they would send this out by email is ridiculous...and since everything is filtered than whomever is doing the filtering will also read the answers..Carmel is right..I doubt that anyone still in is going to answer this totally truthfully and especially by email for crimminy sakes! That's not the way you do an Interrogatory...in addition, no doubt the FSMs will want to deter attention away from themselves and come up with some "who" to name

Rae

 

[Thrak]

Well there was a SURVEY the other day and this seems pretty similar to me. I just can't take this shit serious enough to look for a difference or worry about the proper wording. Sorry. I mean, what's the difference? You send out a list of questions to see how people respond. Seems like a survey to me.

 

[Carmel]

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I doubt that anyone still in is going to answer this totally truthfully and especially by email for crimminy sakes! That's not the way you do an Interrogatory...in addition, no doubt the FSMs will want to deter attention away from themselves and come up with some "who" to name

Yep, that's what usually happens, and that's pretty foul too, 'cause the ones who usually get targeted, are the ones who can see the truth and have the courage to share it.

I've not heard of an interrog being done on the field before. To state the obvious, things have certainly gone from bad to worse. Thanks for posting, Rae.

 

[Rae]

Well there was a SURVEY the other day and this seems pretty similar to me. I just can't take this shit serious enough to look for a difference or worry about the proper wording. Sorry. I mean, what's the difference? You send out a list of questions to see how people respond. Seems like a survey to me.

Yeah..I know what you mean about taking it seriously..the only thing is that an HCO Interrogatory WILL be taken quite seriously by those to whom it is addressed.

 

[Thrak]

Yeah..I know what you mean about taking it seriously..the only thing is that an HCO Interrogatory WILL be taken quite seriously by those to whom it is addressed.

One could only hope. They wouldn't be in the spot they are right now if they listened to people.

 

[Carmel]

Well there was a SURVEY the other day and this seems pretty similar to me. I just can't take this shit serious enough to look for a difference or worry about the proper wording. Sorry. I mean, what's the difference? You send out a list of questions to see how people respond. Seems like a survey to me.

In the scn world a "survey" is a marketing tool, to find peoples buttons and make better promo. An "interrogatory" is a "tool" used by HCO to find the "evil" person who is out to destroy the church.

What Rae posted is a "survey" per definition, but its intent and the result of it, will be something vastly different than that of an "innocent" survey. They're getting the interrog done to find a head to put on a pike.

 

[Thrak]

In the scn world a "survey" is a marketing tool, to find peoples buttons and make better promo. An "interrogatory" is a "tool" used by HCO to find the "evil" person who is out to destroy the church.

What Rae posted is a "survey" per definition, but its intent and the result of it, will be something vastly different than that of an "innocent" survey. They're getting the interrog done to find a head to put on a pike.

And who's head might that be? Certainly not the correct one. Like I said before, if they listened to people instead of already deciding in advance what the problem was, they might get somewhere. But that obviously isn't going to happen as they could NEVER come up with the CORRECT answer.

 

[Rae]

In the scn world a "survey" is a marketing tool, to find peoples buttons and make better promo. An "interrogatory" is a "tool" used by HCO to find the "evil" person who is out to destroy the church.

What Rae posted is a "survey" per definition, but its intent and the result of it, will be something vastly different than that of an "innocent" survey. They're getting the interrog done to find a head to put on a pike.

Hmmm..and what's more interesting, at least to me, is that I just looked in the OECs (I can't believe I still have them here) and the Policy index and the only place an Interrogatory is mentioned is in the Ethics Gradients PL..in fact there is no other mention of one including how to write one...and from what it says in that PL, it's published on an individual making note of the person's offences etc. Just a curiosity of mine about where and how it evolved to this other thing I've seen over the years.

At any rate, once the Head is found to put on that pike..it will all just make so much sense to everyone! Sick, sick, sick..it makes me ill to think of it.

 

[scooter]

Since DM hasn't been sighted for a while, maybe He'll be the "who."

That head on a pike will make a lot of people happy

 

[Feral]

Can't we still have a teacup sized Scientology, with a sweet little chapel in the back, maybe with some clematis and fragrant wisteria dripping down?

After all, if the COS goes, the ESMB will follow. Is the end of Scientology worth THAT?

OMG!!!! He's right!!!

 

[Feral]

Hmmm..and what's more interesting, at least to me, is that I just looked in the OECs (I can't believe I still have them here) and the Policy index and the only place an Interrogatory is mentioned is in the Ethics Gradients PL..in fact there is no other mention of one including how to write one...and from what it says in that PL, it's published on an individual making note of the person's offences etc. Just a curiosity of mine about where and how it evolved to this other thing I've seen over the years.

At any rate, once the Head is found to put on that pike..it will all just make so much sense to everyone! Sick, sick, sick..it makes me ill to think of it.

I think the ref is called "Ethics officer hat" it is a PL. It gives the tech on interogs. All of this is in violation on the ref in green vol 6 that is quite clear in that it says one does not use ethics tech on the field, PR tech is the tool.

Well, even if they are out tech on this I sent mine via e-mail as an EX Flag FSM, so it might be found that I'm the 'who'.

Is it too late to ask for some of you guys to do the same? Then my head won't be so lonely on the pike!

HA? Where are you?"

 

[Whitedove]

So Flag is trying to find out why not as much money is flowing in eh? Gosh they make me sick. Anyway...

Maybe this little thing called 'recession'? I dont know. Maybe its just too obvious

 

[Carmel]

So Flag is trying to find out why not as much money is flowing in eh? Gosh they make me sick. Anyway...

Maybe this little thing called 'recession'? I dont know. Maybe its just too obvious

It's real simple for most FSM's. When ya think that the services are good, and that you're doing someone a favour, ya have a lot of reach and can FSM till the cows come home. On the other hand when ya think that ya might be getting them to send their money down the drain or are sending them to the witches pot, it's not a game ya want to play.

New public right through to Flag public are suffering big time these days. Fewer and fewer FSM's would be under the dellusion now that it's all peachy, or could be. Setting aside what the CofS now 'delivers', the additional hoops one has to go through to get 'services', and the additional demands on anyone 'on lines', would make the whole exercise unbearable both for selectees and FSM's.

 

[Thrak]

It's real simple for most FSM's. When ya think that the services are good, and that you're doing someone a favour, ya have a lot of reach and can FSM till the cows come home. On the other hand when ya think that ya might be getting them to send their money down the drain or are sending them to the witches pot, it's not a game ya want to play.

New public right through to Flag public are suffering big time these days. Fewer and fewer FSM's would be under the dellusion now that it's all peachy, or could be. Setting aside what the CofS now 'delivers', the additional hoops one has to go through to get 'services', and the additional demands on anyone 'on lines', would make the whole exercise unbearable both for selectees and FSM's.

It would be interested to hear what some active fsms would say right now, if they could actually say what they wanted. I could never bring myself to disseminate much as I just didn't think anybody I knew would put up with the reg bullshit I was putting up with. And that was one of the smartest things I ever did. I was willing however to keep going as I knew so many others on the "OT" levels etc. and thought it impossible that they could all just be conned. I still think it is impossible even though I've seen it with my own eyes.

 

[Takin Time]

1. Is anyone making it hard for you to FSM?

Yes, Flag itself. You have denied so many people access to Flag, that there's no one else left to select there. I can't even try to "recover students and pcs" because those who NEED recovering are those you have kicked off of Flag.

2. Is there anyone, or anything, that cuts your desire to FSM?

Sure, the fact that you won't let ME go to Flag.

3. Is there something you run into when you try to FSM which you cannot work around?

Not getting paid commissions. Last time I sent someone in, you paid a commission to someone else - Michael Phillips even though he hadn't communicated to his earlier selectee in for-fucking-ever and was not the one who had helped the selectee in this case. And it was the registrar who called Michael Phillips to let him know I had selected one of his prior selectees.

4. Is there anything else I should know about the FSM area or other FSMs or the Field?

Yes, get out while YOU can. The Church of Scientology is going down into the toilet and your life will become even more miserable before you're left out on the streets without a job and no housing.


I think I'll pull out an old BRE (business reply envelope) and mail this one in.

 

[Thrak]

How in the world can they withstand such "entheta"?

 

[clamicide]

Yep, that's what usually happens, and that's pretty foul too, 'cause the ones who usually get targeted, are the ones who can see the truth and have the courage to share it.

I've not heard of an interrog being done on the field before. To state the obvious, things have certainly gone from bad to worse. Thanks for posting, Rae.

I remember in the 90s quite a few interrogs done on our field. I don't think much came of most because Scienos got so drowned in mail, who would open it up? There was also a WISE mission that came in and called public into the org on some premise and did one on the whole promoting business with org commlines thing. Us staff were used to this sort of thing but the org was always a mess when this stuff was going on because students and pcs were a captive audience and got stuck doing them. Like I said, most amounted to nothing, so few responses available. Only result was we were left with skittish public.

 

[Carmel]

It would be interested to hear what some active fsms would say right now, if they could actually say what they wanted. I could never bring myself to disseminate much as I just didn't think anybody I knew would put up with the reg bullshit I was putting up with. And that was one of the smartest things I ever did. I was willing however to keep going as I knew so many others on the "OT" levels etc. and thought it impossible that they could all just be conned. I still think it is impossible even though I've seen it with my own eyes.

I know what ya mean Thrak, but 20 years ago there were more "raisins in the turd" IMO, and rightly or wrongly it seemed back then that the pickings were worth it.

In Sydney (in the eighties), a couple of us had it set up that no-one would dare try and reg or recruit our selectees, without our permission. We never gave our permission on recruit cycles, and we reg'ed them oursleves - it was usually a matter of us taking them to the reg with the bucks for the next service. I made it clear to the ED FDN that if anyone went near my guys, that I'd take my new selectees to the AO. That card worked for quite some time.

We also made our selectees aware of the bullshit that went on in orgs and aware of the fact that there were some vultures in the org. We armed them up to deal with it. Before we took any of our guys anywhere near there, they had the scoop about Scn being one thing, and the CofS being something quite different. When I went back on staff as ED, I was still introducing new people to Scn. It was easy to look after them then.

While we controlled what services they got, and who was on their lines, all was good. This all fell apart in the early to mid '90's though, with the arrival of a "new" CO ANZO. I stopped FSMing at that point. I have friends I introduced to scn still doing OT7, as well as many who have given tens of thousands of dollars o the IAS - that's a tough one to swallow.