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or, to use Anonspeak- A cunning plan, I haz one.
or, to use Anonspeak- A cunning plan, I haz one.
Forgiveness of Freeloader debt
- Thread starter Mockingbird6
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AnonyMary
Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
The only thing magical that happens when a debt is "cancelled" is that the debtor came to the table knowing that the debt is not enforceable in the first place ( unless they did receive full credit for every 10 yrs in that amounted to zero balance due, per the policy mentioned by the other poster here) .
You should sue them for fraud because the statue of limitations time frame for suing usually doesnt begin until the date you found out you were defrauded. Yes , Mockingbird6, you were defrauded.
Whitedove
Patron Meritorious
I did pay my freeloader debt a looong time ago...stupid me 
I was still married than and my than husband was and is still very much a scientologist.
Looking back at it now, I can see how dumb it was of me. a freeloader debt after being in the SO, working for them for almost nothing except room and board and being fed and not under the best of conditions.
Freeloader debt is a joke! And allow them to just make more money over those they already abused.
To any ex staff or SOs lurkers, Do NOT pay your freeloader debt. You dont owe them NOTHING! They owe YOU something.
Scientology is even more twisted than you can even imagine.
I learned it the hard way and even today I am still learning more on how wicked they truly are. It just makes me want to run the other way. :run:
woops
I was still married than and my than husband was and is still very much a scientologist.
Looking back at it now, I can see how dumb it was of me. a freeloader debt after being in the SO, working for them for almost nothing except room and board and being fed and not under the best of conditions.
Freeloader debt is a joke! And allow them to just make more money over those they already abused.
To any ex staff or SOs lurkers, Do NOT pay your freeloader debt. You dont owe them NOTHING! They owe YOU something.
Scientology is even more twisted than you can even imagine.
I learned it the hard way and even today I am still learning more on how wicked they truly are. It just makes me want to run the other way. :run:
woops
byte301
Crusader
My thoughts of this freeloader debt: If they want to play the game of demanding repayment for free services given, hit them right back for back wages at whatever you feel you are worth. Personally I feel I am worth $75 an hour. So, subtract the 34 cents an hour they paid me on staff, and I would demand my $74.66 per hour. In the case of many here on ESMB, I would bet the Co$ would come out on the losing end. They should not protest too much
Don't sell yourself short. I think you are probably worth more like $900.00 an hour. We all were as a matter of fact.
Fuck them and their stupid freeloader debt.
Petey C
Silver Meritorious Patron
Freeloader "debts"
I left in 1982, flew home from the US to Australia. I'd barely got my suitcase unpacked when the ANZO Finance Officer paid me a visit to show me a $17500 "freeloader" bill. That was about a year's salary for most people back then. I knew at the time they didn't want me, just my money. So I told the guy to go away and factor in all the pay I never got while I was in the SO, and then show me the bill again. I never heard from them again. My advice -- don't ever pay. (And if it's too late, I'm real sorry, but it just means you were/are conscientious and acting right, and they are not.) It's all bullshit, as others have pointed out it's not a legal bill (and a lot of the debt is for mandatory on the job training anyway), we were coerced into signing those "invoices" and there's no way they can enforce payment. If they ever came back to me, I'd add interest on the unpaid salary.
Petey
I left in 1982, flew home from the US to Australia. I'd barely got my suitcase unpacked when the ANZO Finance Officer paid me a visit to show me a $17500 "freeloader" bill. That was about a year's salary for most people back then. I knew at the time they didn't want me, just my money. So I told the guy to go away and factor in all the pay I never got while I was in the SO, and then show me the bill again. I never heard from them again. My advice -- don't ever pay. (And if it's too late, I'm real sorry, but it just means you were/are conscientious and acting right, and they are not.) It's all bullshit, as others have pointed out it's not a legal bill (and a lot of the debt is for mandatory on the job training anyway), we were coerced into signing those "invoices" and there's no way they can enforce payment. If they ever came back to me, I'd add interest on the unpaid salary.
Petey
Human Again
Silver Meritorious Patron
My take is they owe us backpay.
I believe what they do is slavery.
I believe there is a case going on this, the court should hear about these "freeloader bills".
When I got mine, I wanted to pay it. It was so huge I thought I had to go and set myself us so that I could. Thank goodness I realised I owed them nothing but they owed me before I felt "srt up" enough to start paying.
I believe what they do is slavery.
I believe there is a case going on this, the court should hear about these "freeloader bills".
When I got mine, I wanted to pay it. It was so huge I thought I had to go and set myself us so that I could. Thank goodness I realised I owed them nothing but they owed me before I felt "srt up" enough to start paying.
invoicing
Anyone can send a fee schedule and then invoice anyone for anything. It doesn't mean it will be paid or will be enforceable. One of my favorite things to do with bill collectors, for instance, is to invoice them for a telephone consulation fee and/or correspondence fees. While it tends to make them go away, so far I have yet to collect a dime from them for any of my fees.
As everybody's mom or dad would say, after a child did some hairbrained thing and then blamed a friend or two for getting them involved, "And if your friend told you to go jump in the lake, would you do that, too?" You can tell people to go jump in a lake all day long, but who's fault is it if they jump?
The bottom line ... people should just know better. Of course, it is perfectly understandable that they DON'T know better, especially after spending quite a number of years in the Sea Org. Even still, I don't see how anyone can, in a court room situation, after paying a freeloader debt, could say that they didn't voluntarily agree that they owed it or that the debt was invalid. That they paid it and did so voluntarily shows that they agreed that the debt was truely owed and was, in fact, valid.
Pete
Anyone can send a fee schedule and then invoice anyone for anything. It doesn't mean it will be paid or will be enforceable. One of my favorite things to do with bill collectors, for instance, is to invoice them for a telephone consulation fee and/or correspondence fees. While it tends to make them go away, so far I have yet to collect a dime from them for any of my fees.
As everybody's mom or dad would say, after a child did some hairbrained thing and then blamed a friend or two for getting them involved, "And if your friend told you to go jump in the lake, would you do that, too?" You can tell people to go jump in a lake all day long, but who's fault is it if they jump?
The bottom line ... people should just know better. Of course, it is perfectly understandable that they DON'T know better, especially after spending quite a number of years in the Sea Org. Even still, I don't see how anyone can, in a court room situation, after paying a freeloader debt, could say that they didn't voluntarily agree that they owed it or that the debt was invalid. That they paid it and did so voluntarily shows that they agreed that the debt was truely owed and was, in fact, valid.
Pete
AnonSunshine
Patron with Honors
The freeload debt is illegal. The Church of Scientology should pay reasonable salary to their staff. The so call debt is unenforceable in a Court of Law and Management knows that.
Thus to begin with staff do not own any thing.
This "debt" it is to force staff to remain in the "Church".
Thus to begin with staff do not own any thing.
This "debt" it is to force staff to remain in the "Church".
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two different things
Unenforceable, 100% true. Illegal, not true at all. A debt doesn't have to be enforceable to invoice somebody.
Pete
Unenforceable, 100% true. Illegal, not true at all. A debt doesn't have to be enforceable to invoice somebody.
Pete
Outethicsofficer
Silver Meritorious Patron
Well you all keep an eye open there may well be a challenge to this 'freeloader debt scam' yet! Just saying!
James