Fred Hare

[Pooks]

Fred Hare

He's on Facebook

 

[fishdaddy]

Someone asked about James Hare. He died sometime in 2002, at the age of 60. He had been out of Scientology since sometime in the late 70's, and had been out of communication with his family since the mid-1980s, when he moved to Alaska with a girlfriend, perhaps wife, not sure. He had a history of serious drug and alcohol abuse off and on. This may be what eventually caused his death. Many have fond memories of him and his gift (flamenco guitar) while an auditor and course supervisor at SH and later on the Apollo. BTW, he never liked being called "Jimmy" - "Call me James" he always said. This information is from his sister, Christina, and posted with her permission for his old friends and acquaintances.

 

[Blue Spirit]

Still Here ?

I thought I'd heard he had kicked. More power to him.

He told me once the true purpose of "Mission Into Time" was

hunting for the past buried treasures.

He's got too much track in Scientology to ever leave;

reminds me of David Howson, going down with the ship and

NO-LOOK blind obedience to a Nazi leader. PITIFUL.

 

[Mystic]

I first met Fred at St. Hill in late '62 when I first arrived. This was a time L. Ron Hubbard, failed 666 moonchild beast and blown Crowleyanitist, was instilling the course sups with nazi hard-line ruthless "all students are a piece of shit" implant.

 

[Mystic]

Someone asked about James Hare. He died sometime in 2002, at the age of 60. He had been out of Scientology since sometime in the late 70's, and had been out of communication with his family since the mid-1980s, when he moved to Alaska with a girlfriend, perhaps wife, not sure. He had a history of serious drug and alcohol abuse off and on. This may be what eventually caused his death. Many have fond memories of him and his gift (flamenco guitar) while an auditor and course supervisor at SH and later on the Apollo. BTW, he never liked being called "Jimmy" - "Call me James" he always said. This information is from his sister, Christina, and posted with her permission for his old friends and acquaintances.

Thanks for the info fishdaddy. I was a good friend of James at one time. Been wondering what happened with him.

 

[DartSmohen]

Fred & James

I first met Fred in 1966 at St Hill.He was on WW staff. We used to "invite" new arrivals to come amd play poker on a Friday night. Fred, Jimmy Stewart, David Gaiman and myself were the usual suspects.

Fred came on a mission to St Hill in the early 1970's. He insisted that he be called "Sir". So we did, we called him "Sir Fred". At the end of the mission he asked me to take him to a casino in London where we played poker. Didn't see much of him after that.

First met James at St Hill. There was a small hotel/pub in Dormansland called the Apsley Arms. Owned by a scilon and frequented by us. James, Ollie Budlong, Mo Budlong, Bill Deitch, myself and a couple of others got into a game of "Cardinal Puff" James got very drunk and ended up sitting on a log by the fire playing some amazing flamenco music.

James was on the first cl 8 course. He was one of two students who graduated by preparing a c/s and processing a pc to a successful result.

Christina, well, there was a class act......

Dart

 

[Infinite]

I met Fred in the 80s. He was pretty impressive then as well, or at least memorable. I can picture him showing off with a motorcycle. I bet he really enjoyed that. When I met him he wasn't into impressing the ladies so much. He's married to a real sweet gal. But he did kidnap me once..........

Rummaging amongst the archives is always fun but . . . WTF!! Is GoodTwin still around . . . would be interested to read more about this "kidnapping".

 

[Boojuum]

Fred H in the late 80's

I met Fred in either 1989 or 90. At the time I thought, "Wow, this is the guy who was on the Fish and Fumble tape that I'd listened to for approximately 8,000 hours. A real old-timer, auditing by LRH. WOW"

The obvious truth was sobering. Fred was a lot more about trailer parks and flea markets than "Sir" or motorcycle rides at lunch with star struck debutantes or being an undercover agent for Ron. He may have embodied some type of perfection and was pleasant enough but seeing his condition forced me to re-evaluate the power of Scientology auditing.:confused2:

I was young enough at the time to do something about my career. With all due respect to Fred, who may have been a superman, there was no way I was going to end up like that guy.

I'm very grateful to him for this.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

I met Fred in either 1989 or 90. At the time I thought, "Wow, this is the guy who was on the Fish and Fumble tape that I'd listened to for approximately 8,000 hours. A real old-timer, auditing by LRH. WOW"

The obvious truth was sobering. Fred was a lot more about trailer parks and flea markets than "Sir" or motorcycle rides at lunch with star struck debutantes or being an undercover agent for Ron. He may have embodied some type of perfection and was pleasant enough but seeing his condition forced me to re-evaluate the power of Scientology auditing.:confused2:

I was young enough at the time to do something about my career. With all due respect to Fred, who may have been a superman, there was no way I was going to end up like that guy.

I'm very grateful to him for this.

I knew Fred back the '70's. He was the voice on "Can We Ever Be Friends". When El Ron chose him for that I thought "you're kidding me...sheesh".

I always got along fine with Fred but I didn't see him as a superman either. He was real layed back most of the time and was very close to Mary Sue. He had a dry wit, sometimes scarcastic, and could be very funny.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Someone asked about James Hare. He died sometime in 2002, at the age of 60. He had been out of Scientology since sometime in the late 70's, and had been out of communication with his family since the mid-1980s, when he moved to Alaska with a girlfriend, perhaps wife, not sure. He had a history of serious drug and alcohol abuse off and on. This may be what eventually caused his death. Many have fond memories of him and his gift (flamenco guitar) while an auditor and course supervisor at SH and later on the Apollo. BTW, he never liked being called "Jimmy" - "Call me James" he always said. This information is from his sister, Christina, and posted with her permission for his old friends and acquaintances.

Sorry to hear about James. Anyone that ever heard him play knows what a truly gifted talent he was.

Face

 

[Good twin]

Rummaging amongst the archives is always fun but . . . WTF!! Is GoodTwin still around . . . would be interested to read more about this "kidnapping".

Okay. I'll spill. It was about 1987 or 88. I was running a comm course out of my two bedroom apartment and selling Dianetics books door to door. I also had a full time job and a small child.

I turned my stats in each week to Fred as he was running the closest mission which was about 35 miles away from me. I figured my production would help him build up his CF and blah blah blah. However, because of me working remotely Fred decided that the bigger feather in his cap would be to have me run my own operation as a mission under his multiple mission banner. I had no interest in being his exec, but he pushed the whole thing through without my agreement or consent.

This opened the door to me getting product pressure from COSMI EUS Cary Goulston. If any of you know him, you realize how unfun my little gig became. I constantly got late night phone calls demanding I sell more books and all that rot. It was disturbing because these calls were coming to my home and really upsetting my home life and the well being of my small child. Sometimes Cary would call at nearly midnight and ask me while I was "still there". I had to remind him over and over that I lived there that this was my home and I was just doing what I could to help people find out about Scn and Dn and I was not set up as a business or a church and had no intention to do so.

All that is bad enough, but I haven't even got to the kidnapping. So I continued to produce as it was my passion, but I resisted the administrative interference that I felt I was getting. At the time I had no idea that there were a bunch of "missions" who were producing less than I was and in less desirable quarters. I had no idea that the mission network was mostly smoke and mirrors.

In the fall there is always a big Mission Holders conference. Most people have heard about the big shakedown of the mission holders conference of '82. This wasn't that one. Fred told me that I had to go to the conference since I was running a mission for him. (Sheesh these people really can't hear anything I say) I refused to go. I refused to pay the conference fee. I refused to arrange for a babysitter. I refused to take time off from work. I just flat out refused.

Fred paid for my conference fee and got my best friend to agree to watch my son and he and Mike Hambrick kidnapped me in Fred's antique Mustang. It was really an interesting road trip across the state with the boys and I spent the entire conference with the SMI JC trying to talk my way out of being a Scientology Exec.

I explained that I was just a Scientologist. I considered myself a regular rank and file member of the church doing what seemed only natural based on my training and experience. I was an FSM and a good one. I fed people constantly to my nearest mission and Org per policy. I explained that if people weren't allowed to be effective FSMs the missions and Orgs would struggle. I felt that I should be appreciated for what I was contributing but not harassed to become something (a mission ED) that I would probably fail at. It all seemed so obvious to me that I was the only person being pan determined about anything in this cycle. So here I was threatened with lowers because I was such a successful and productive FSM.

I don't even remember how it turned out. Eventually many years later. i took on a mission pretty much on my own terms, but that's a whole different story.

 

[Panda Termint]

Different but probably just as interesting. C'mon GT, tell us another story! Please!!!

 

[Good twin]

Different but probably just as interesting. C'mon GT, tell us another story! Please!!!

Panda I will most certainly be telling more as time rolls on. Currently however I am more focused on telling my nonScientology story. I'm working on my Easter post to my blog this afternoon.

I'll tell more of my Scientology story as it shows up in my rambling timestream.