Going Clear - Under Cover Behind Enemy Lines

[Intentionally Blank]

While the average media and entertainment consumers are being ....well ..... entertained.... by all the hoopla, gossip, and dark revelations surrounding the Scientology expose at Sundance, and while ex scientologists or scientology critics everywhere are gleefully dancing about and giving each other high fives there are those who live behind enemy lines. Surreptitiously reading every review, watching each new video offering (with earbuds turned to the lowest volume) and constantly vigilant - ready to close the browser at the slightest hint of being caught in the act.

It's a weirdly limbo like place. Knowing this HUGE blow up is going on, a blow up that affects every part of our lives and yet needing to act and speak as if nothing at has changed. And as each new revelation is trumpeted across headlines we pretend not to see. How long can this possibly last? Surely not much longer. There has to be a tipping point - a saturation level where even the most determined not to see .... must see.

Can they, those who are (somehow, insanely) still in, really be so blind? Or are they so used to blocking out the sanity of entheta they've become immune to it? I find that doubtful.

I worked a double shift on Monday. When I got home Mr/s Blanky was scrolling through the tv menu first and then netflix. "Should we watch something from Sundance? Maybe a documentary?" I nearly choked. But I've been behind enemy lines long enough to stay cool. "Ummm. Sure. If you want to. Anything look interesting?" Mr/s Blanky reads off a list of fairly tame offerings. "Are those this year's films?" I ask. "No, they're from previous years. But I might have an app for this year."

I don't know if s/he ever got to this year. I am on pins and needles wondering if ..... when .....how will the universe collapse? What does it look like to be confronted with the domino effect of tumbling, crashing, lies? Every little thread leads to another until the pattern is inescapable. And yet, right now, the view from behind enemy lines still shows all the dominoes lined up and expanding around the world to clear the planet.

Stay tuned.

Blanky

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

Good luck.

 

[Free Being Me]

Ditto, good luck IB. This could be a tipping point for Mr./Mrs. Blanky and I wish you all the happiness that comes from that.

 

[Knows]

While the average media and entertainment consumers are being ....well ..... entertained.... by all the hoopla, gossip, and dark revelations surrounding the Scientology expose at Sundance, and while ex scientologists or scientology critics everywhere are gleefully dancing about and giving each other high fives there are those who live behind enemy lines. Surreptitiously reading every review, watching each new video offering (with earbuds turned to the lowest volume) and constantly vigilant - ready to close the browser at the slightest hint of being caught in the act.

It's a weirdly limbo like place. Knowing this HUGE blow up is going on, a blow up that affects every part of our lives and yet needing to act and speak as if nothing at has changed. And as each new revelation is trumpeted across headlines we pretend not to see. How long can this possibly last? Surely not much longer. There has to be a tipping point - a saturation level where even the most determined not to see .... must see.

Can they, those who are (somehow, insanely) still in, really be so blind? Or are they so used to blocking out the sanity of entheta they've become immune to it? I find that doubtful.

I worked a double shift on Monday. When I got home Mr/s Blanky was scrolling through the tv menu first and then netflix. "Should we watch something from Sundance? Maybe a documentary?" I nearly choked. But I've been behind enemy lines long enough to stay cool. "Ummm. Sure. If you want to. Anything look interesting?" Mr/s Blanky reads off a list of fairly tame offerings. "Are those this year's films?" I ask. "No, they're from previous years. But I might have an app for this year."

I don't know if s/he ever got to this year. I am on pins and needles wondering if ..... when .....how will the universe collapse? What does it look like to be confronted with the domino effect of tumbling, crashing, lies? Every little thread leads to another until the pattern is inescapable. And yet, right now, the view from behind enemy lines still shows all the dominoes lined up and expanding around the world to clear the planet.

Stay tuned.

Blanky

Damn IB - My heart is pounding....

you had me there with you...

Excellent writing skills...come on...did you help Alex Gibney? Fess up...come on!! ...LOL

Seriously Dude/Dudette - that was fricken awesome!

 

[Intentionally Blank]

I'm not really a patient person. I get compliments on my patience and I can fake it - appearing patient under very frustrating circumstances - but really, on the inside, I'm having a pacing back and forth, stomping, and complaining, hissy fit. Mmm ... and I plot.

So I'm sitting here wondering how I can move this process along. If I had an inkling of how much s/he knows it would probably be a little less risky.

I'm considering [edited because I did this and I don't want it out here .... just in case OSA has anyone left] With popcorn, beer, and a running chat about what [redacted] excellent research and fact checking ethic. So when s/he eventually encounters Going Clear it becomes a bit of a problem to dismiss it out of hand. [redacted]

Blanky

 

[ThetanExterior]

I think a big probem is that scientologists are so indoctrinated that when faced with negative stuff in the media their first action is to find out what the scientology organization says about it.

When they hear that scientology says it is "all lies", that will reassure them and they will then just ignore the "lies".

I know that was the way I felt when I was in.

The thing that impinged on me was when the organization started using its ethics policies against me. Then it became personal.

 

[La La Lou Lou]

I think a big probem is that scientologists are so indoctrinated that when faced with negative stuff in the media their first action is to find out what the scientology organization says about it.

When they hear that scientology says it is "all lies", that will reassure them and they will then just ignore the "lies".

I know that was the way I felt when I was in.

The thing that impinged on me was when the organization started using its ethics policies against me. Then it became personal.

What made concrete blocks fall off my eyes was a documentary about another cult and I saw the similarities. These might help. Watching fun stuff too, feel good comedy between cult exposures might just do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFExZQyNbf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3yzkhJVXE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahBD7lVMPsA

 

[chipgallo]

I remember Sea Org missionaires using a thought control technique on people they were trying to recruit onto a billion year contract. They would prep the person by telling them things like:

• Your parents/spouse/friends are going to try and talk you out of this
• Your reactive mind (bank) will kick in and say it is a bad idea
• Until you are past the Wall of Fire, you will not be stable on the third dynamic (groups)
• Off planet aliens are remote controlling a few individuals and may try to mess with you too
• Being on staff restimulates whole track suppression you have experienced (and auditing can fix this)

Most active Scientologists that I knew felt that they were superior to "wogs" (non Scientologists) by the mere effort of trying to rise above the "bank." If they blew staff or stopped taking courses or reading LRH, that made them lesser beings, more flawed. I am not an expert on this but it seems like a self hypnosis that is reinforced by much of what Scientology practices entail.

The illusion can be broken by enough people declaring the truth of the situation, refusing to tolerate a parasitic organization that robs our society of potentially productive members. There will always be a few believers as there are those who believe the earth is flat or some other popular delusion. Our rights and freedoms guarantee the Flat Earthers that they won't be bundled off to "reeducation centers" or shot at dawn.

Beyond that Scientology, Inc. better watch its ass. And I hope your spouse breaks free soon.

 

[cleared cannibal]

I think it it is hard to say what would make someone question deeply held beliefs especially if they are unwilling to look at anything critical of that belief. Anything we do is much like the economic phrase "pushing on a string" . To use another economic term it is often a "Black swan"(something unforeseen and unpredictable) which would make someone question their very ideas of existence . I think a lot of the things we do to help them see the light does more for us in that it makes us think we are doing something.

For those of us behind the lines life is much like that of a secret agent. We have to live a lie in many respects.

 

[Knows]

I think a big probem is that scientologists are so indoctrinated that when faced with negative stuff in the media their first action is to find out what the scientology organization says about it.

When they hear that scientology says it is "all lies", that will reassure them and they will then just ignore the "lies".

I know that was the way I felt when I was in.

The thing that impinged on me was when the organization started using its ethics policies against me. Then it became personal.

Yes - that is the Stimulus-Response mechanism that Scientology implants in their minds about What to Do when faced with the Truth about Scientology, L Ron Hubbard and David Miscavige.

There is also tech on:

What to do if someone nullifys your believe that Scientoogy Works when Standardly Applied *but you never clay demo STANDARDLY APPLIED (if you did - you would see that it would and could never work.

What does that mean anyway? Keep Scientology Working?

Another thread perhaps -

 

[Lurker5]

Gosh Blanky, I feel for you. Maybe s/he is waiting for you to show a doubt, a waiver - - ???? Maybe Mr/s Blanky is just being intentionally blank too . . ??

And maybe not, and any break on your part would bring catastrophe and a split . . .

Oh dear .

I know how excited and worked up I get, when these BIG HUGE things happen - I can barely contain my glee. And then I am stunned when I see the still in scno responses. It's like it doesn't make a dent. And that is the hard part . . . Trying to understand HOW, after all that has come out, these folks can still be 115% behind dm/co$/scno/lrh. It just blows me away.

I am not sure how you can bear up under it - but for hanging in there, waiting for - trying to save your loved one.

 

[Lermanet_com]

Good job on keeping faith in yourself and having amazing patience.

Two things kept me in when I'd think perhaps I should GTFO.

1) Eternal Hope that the next secret level would make all the bullshit I was having to endure worthwhile. (Note)

-and-

2) In spite of EVERYTHING I would have this recurring thought ' but $cientology WORKS"


#1 is why I posted the Xenu materials and 1977 version of OT levels to the net in 1995, getting sued, allowed a US Federal Court to deem them the real deal.. no longer could $cientology say that the previous anonymous postings of the same materials were 'all lies' and were 'forgeries'... Unknown to me at the time, those anonymous postings were by Joe Harrington, my good friend...he admitted this on his death bed..

#2 PARTIALLY resolved as I became aware of the depths of deceit they were capable of... I mean so what if it "WORKS" doesn't matter if it is going to kill you... LINK

Between 1992 and 1994 I was sort of freezony, still believing in $cientology "technology" and thinking a kinder gentler version of the same $cam might just be okay.... until they killed a friends cat...LINK and I sortah flipped out, being a cat man and animal lover..

I had read the official Government reports that $cientology was basically hypnosis. But saying it is hypnosis doesn't get any emotional traction with anyone as the subject is almost as complex in structure in reality as Hubbard's science fiction story is complex to learn.

It was a major breakthrough for me to happen to have an e-meter around thanks to an OSA volunteer who mailed me his own to gain my trust and then pressed me for information about my life...

I had been doing Robert Monroe's meditation method, and was getting spectacular results... and on whim, I picked up the "cans" and found I had a wide "Floating Needle"

This observation totally changed my outlook...

I then began researching "WHAT WORKS" in meditation, (trance) and digging into hypnosis techniques.

Now I can say without any reservation at all that HYPNOSIS WORKS and is what makes Hubbard's rubbish "WORK". And I love the quote from that old Hypnosis Newsletter from 1952... (see sig line)

Journal of Hypnotism 1952 re Dianetics and Hypnosis: "The same old sofa but with new upholstery" http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?32061-Secrets-a-morning-whisper&p=987687#post987687

Hope this is helpful in some way

Arnie Lerma

We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves.
Eric Hoffer

Some sig line data cause guests do not see our sig lines:

Lerma's Hypnosis in $cientology thread... over on Xenu.net forum HERE
How to become an Expert Operator(c) 1931 30 Mb pdf
"Contrary to general belief, it has been my experience that the more intelligent the subject, the easier it is to induce hypnosis" Ralph Slater - "Hypnotism" May 1950

 

[Enthetan]

At whatever point Mr/s Blanky decides than Scn is a fraud, there will still be the issue of whether to reveal that, for over two years, you were operating as a member of an anti-Scientology group, and never said a word.

To a spouse, that might trigger thoughts of "What ELSE has Blanky been doing for a long time, and successfully concealing from me?"

 

[Intentionally Blank]

At whatever point Mr/s Blanky decides than Scn is a fraud, there will still be the issue of whether to reveal that, for over two years, you were operating as a member of an anti-Scientology group, and never said a word.

To a spouse, that might trigger thoughts of "What ELSE has Blanky been doing for a long time, and successfully concealing from me?"

I've often had the same thought. Although I prefer to frame it a "pro-Mr/s Blanky activist" rather than an "anti-scientology group member". Seriously though, even just knowing the documentary exists and is getting so much media exposure - and saying nothing - is to me a breach of honesty and intimacy. I despise how the cult creates walls between people. And how those walls affect other areas of life. That is more troubling to me than being part of a concerned and educated group of people.

I was able to carry out my proactive defense against a Gibney smear campaign for when Mr/s Blanky comes across the documentary. We had a really excellent conversation about organizations and abuse of power, how victims are disbelieved and how they are attacked, exploitation of trust, corruption at the highest levels of an organization that is perceived as beneficent to humanity, and how ridiculous middle level handlers look when they try to defend wrong actions -- all the usual topics one thinks of in conjunction with the cult but around another organization with very parallel tales. The major difference I see between the catholic church's abuse of power and the cult's is the catholic church did not overtly or directly abuse every member.

Blanky

 

[Intentionally Blank]

Good job on keeping faith in yourself and having amazing patience.

Two things kept me in when I'd think perhaps I should GTFO.

1) Eternal Hope that the next secret level would make all the bullshit I was having to endure worthwhile. (Note)

-and-

2) In spite of EVERYTHING I would have this recurring thought ' but $cientology WORKS"

<snipped>

It was a major breakthrough for me to happen to have an e-meter around thanks to an OSA volunteer who mailed me his own to gain my trust and then pressed me for information about my life...

I had been doing Robert Monroe's meditation method, and was getting spectacular results... and on whim, I picked up the "cans" and found I had a wide "Floating Needle"

This observation totally changed my outlook...

I then began researching "WHAT WORKS" in meditation, (trance) and digging into hypnosis techniques.


Hope this is helpful in some way

Arnie Lerma

Help me understand the significance of having a floating needle after meditation. I understand, on a very basic level, what it means in scientology. Am I right in thinking one should not, according to the cult, be able to achieve the magical floating needle using other methods? (We have a e-meter)

 

[Enthetan]

Help me understand the significance of having a floating needle after meditation. I understand, on a very basic level, what it means in scientology. Am I right in thinking one should not, according to the cult, be able to achieve the magical floating needle using other methods? (We have a e-meter)

Yes. Although I'm not aware of any reference explicitly precluding f/n from meditation, being able to unambiguously demonstrate an ability to f/n from "other practices" might be rattling to a Scn.

Other, more tech-trained people, please feel free to chime in.

 

[Commander Birdsong]

Good job on keeping faith in yourself and having amazing patience.

Two things kept me in when I'd think perhaps I should GTFO.

1) Eternal Hope that the next secret level would make all the bullshit I was having to endure worthwhile. (Note)

-and-

2) In spite of EVERYTHING I would have this recurring thought ' but $cientology WORKS"


#1 is why I posted the Xenu materials and 1977 version of OT levels to the net in 1995, getting sued, allowed a US Federal Court to deem them the real deal.. no longer could $cientology say that the previous anonymous postings of the same materials were 'all lies' and were 'forgeries'... Unknown to me at the time, those anonymous postings were by Joe Harrington, my good friend...he admitted this on his death bed..

#2 PARTIALLY resolved as I became aware of the depths of deceit they were capable of... I mean so what if it "WORKS" doesn't matter if it is going to kill you... LINK

Between 1992 and 1994 I was sort of freezony, still believing in $cientology "technology" and thinking a kinder gentler version of the same $cam might just be okay.... until they killed a friends cat...LINK and I sortah flipped out, being a cat man and animal lover..

I had read the official Government reports that $cientology was basically hypnosis. But saying it is hypnosis doesn't get any emotional traction with anyone as the subject is almost as complex in structure in reality as Hubbard's science fiction story is complex to learn.

It was a major breakthrough for me to happen to have an e-meter around thanks to an OSA volunteer who mailed me his own to gain my trust and then pressed me for information about my life...

I had been doing Robert Monroe's meditation method, and was getting spectacular results... and on whim, I picked up the "cans" and found I had a wide "Floating Needle"

This observation totally changed my outlook...

I then began researching "WHAT WORKS" in meditation, (trance) and digging into hypnosis techniques.

Now I can say without any reservation at all that HYPNOSIS WORKS and is what makes Hubbard's rubbish "WORK". And I love the quote from that old Hypnosis Newsletter from 1952... (see sig line)

Journal of Hypnotism 1952 re Dianetics and Hypnosis: "The same old sofa but with new upholstery" http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?32061-Secrets-a-morning-whisper&p=987687#post987687

Hope this is helpful in some way

Arnie Lerma

We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves.
Eric Hoffer

Some sig line data cause guests do not see our sig lines:

Lerma's Hypnosis in $cientology thread... over on Xenu.net forum HERE
How to become an Expert Operator(c) 1931 30 Mb pdf
"Contrary to general belief, it has been my experience that the more intelligent the subject, the easier it is to induce hypnosis" Ralph Slater - "Hypnotism" May 1950

thank you for the gurjoof arnie. deropp presents the same parable w/o attribution in "warrior's way" but in fact i believe it predates gurdjy...

 

[Lermanet_com]

Help me understand the significance of having a floating needle after meditation. I understand, on a very basic level, what it means in scientology. Am I right in thinking one should not, according to the cult, be able to achieve the magical floating needle using other methods? (We have a e-meter)

In $cientology one is given the following SHORE STORY

That the F/N is evidence that you have achieved the grade or level or some other supposed milestone...

The F/N is not encountered anywhere else - only cause the device isn't used anywhere else, although, I bet F/N's would appear on lie detector output graphs on the skin galvanometer trace if you turned the chart paper feed rate up high enough..

and CORRECT, one should NOT be able to achieve this outside of $cientology.

Seeing that with Robert Monroe's ($72 cost for six tapes at that time) guided meditation tapes I found that by just using one 30 min tape, when I came back from the nap, I a) felt great 2) had new insights and 3) had an F/N.

Monroe's tapes use a sound that mimics the beat sound between two Tibetian meditation bells, which induces a hypnotic state.

The important thing is Monroe was not a sociopath... In the beginning of the tapes, Robert Monroe operates your trance, while conditioning you how to do it safely..(There are some strange things 'out there') and later in the tapes he turns over control of your trance TO YOU..

Reading the official government inquiries saying "Its basically hypnosis", like I said, does NOT get sufficient emotional traction... seeing I was getting an F/N from meditation got sufficient emotional traction to abandon all implanted suggestions from Hubbard as the ultimate psycopathic 'expert operator' of the trance I once had been stuck in, unable to leave, for ten years.

Why is this important?

IF one were to dare go to my hypnosis page... the top link in the CENTER column of Lermanet.com one might read the following in the FIRST file in the archive:

The ANDERSEN REPORT

Report of the Board of Enquiry into Scientology
by Kevin Victor Anderson, Q.C.
Published 1965 by the State of Victoria, Australia

CHAPTER 18
Pages 115 thru 118

SCIENTOLOGY AND HYPNOSIS

The Board heard expert evidence in relation to hypnosis and hypnotic techniques. There are, broadly speaking, two types of hypnosis: passive hypnosis, and command or authoritative hypnosis. Hypnosis, properly administered by skilled practitioners, has its proper place in psychiatric practice, and, in suitable cases, produces beneficial results. In the practice of medicine the type of hypnosis generally used is passive ; the patient is allowed to, and helped to, go into hypnosis entirely voluntarily, and the hypnotist plays a completely passive role. This technique is quite the reverse of authoritative or command hypnosis, where the hypnotist assumes positive authoritative control over the patient who, though he may or may not be aware of what techniques the practitioner is practising on him, is nevertheless under the domination of the hypnotist pursuant to positive commands.

"Because of the serious risk of harm to the patient, it is only in rare and exceptional circumstances that authoritative hypnosis is resorted to in medical practice. The distinction between the two types of hypnosis, the one beneficial and the other potentially harmful, is to be borne in mind when considering the hypnotic qualities of scientology techniques. "

(More you should read in original)

"In the skilled practice of hypnosis the practitioner is well aware of the dangers which may arise from the tendency to develop in the patient a degree of dependency upon the practitioner, who is concerned to ensure that this and other dangers inherent in hypnosis do not develop. It is the firm conclusion of this Board that most scientology and dianetic techniques are those of authoritative hypnosis and as such are dangerous. "

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Now google "Bad effects of Hypnosis"

"Generally, the negative side effects of Hypnosis can be divided into these categories:
- Problems resulting from unintended suggestions
- Obscuring actual physical health problems
- Suicidal depression
- Panic attacks or psychotic episodes
- Symptom substitution "

The above could be used as an introduction in a Scientology "Technical Bulletin" for an the "Introspection Rundown" or more properly for Mike Gormez's old "Why Are They Dead" website.

Arnie Lerma

Side Bar: Hubbard is acting as the authoritative hypnotist - AT A DISTANCE - from the instant you crack open one his books... and then surrogately through his "auditors". (note). This is why you are told to DUPLICATE HIS INSTRUCTIONS, cause he cant really tell you what the hell you are doing... Hypnosis is dangerous if you don't know what you are doing, now, deep breath.. one last idea:

Imagine if you didn't even know THAT you are doing it?


Note: Charles Manson was the first person to get convicted of murders that he did not commit himself, he committed them through his followers...

"In fact, there had been an E-Meter at the Spahn Ranch where his "family" stayed."
Paul Krassner Editor of The Realist

 

[mockingbird]

I have not addressed this exactly in the past as my ideas on this are less developed than other areas of mind control/hypnosis and persuasion/rhetoric but I subjectively experienced the exact symptoms of a very relaxed euphoric deep trance when I achieved an FN in Scientology . To be clear this is a possible explanation that fits the symptomology and the model for a hypnotic mind control cult system in many ways very well but I have not validated it to the same degree I usually do my ideas before presenting them or integrating them into the model I propose or use . There is a large amount of evidence that the FN is in fact the deep trance state and that is the source of shutting down the critical factor and making the "gains" and wins associated with Scientology and the inability to differentiate guided hallucinations and dissociation from "mystical experiences" ; as in hypnosis the ability to tell imagination from recollection is diminished or in deep deep trance obliterated .

In theory this is the essential ingredient of mind control ( Hubbard used many , many others too ) as it allows the creation of vivid false memories attained in a focused , interested euphoric state and all the reality is framed in Hubbard's loaded language to make it defined as authentic gains , improvement and awareness . Imagine if you could frame what the mind is , that it has a harmful part that is being reduced or erased and focus a victim's attention while causing a deep euphoric trance and feelings of leaving the body ( dissociation a mental experience not a gain or spiritual one ) and by defining all of reality recast the hallucinations as true buried memories and the euphoria as genuine spiritual and mental improvement and the dissociation as attainment of subjective proof of immortality . And say all these experiences were improvement and freedom from an eternal degrading state that leads , if unchecked to insanity then blindness , amnesia and eternal pain alone .


That series of lies is the heart of Scientology - persuasive language and hypnotic mind control to use and magnify fears relabel induced mental experiences so they seem truer than any evidence that is objective or scientific and by binding this mountain of lies to emotions deep in the subconscious they hold more sway than any reason or disagreement . It is just a well hidden con . It is hidden in the beliefs and especially the feelings of the victim's subconscious so they feel the same way they would if they over years decided independently to have these beliefs after critical examination and reflection . It feels the same so they think it is .

The FN is a part of verifying the victim fell for it enough for implantation to work well , in theory . I would never allow anyone to audit me or if I could influence law anyone else ever for a second . It has no good involved , all lies and fraud and very , very extreme mental harm .

 

[cleared cannibal]

In $cientology one is given the following SHORE STORY

That the F/N is evidence that you have achieved the grade or level or some other supposed milestone...

The F/N is not encountered anywhere else - only cause the device isn't used anywhere else, although, I bet F/N's would appear on lie detector output graphs on the skin galvanometer trace if you turned the chart paper feed rate up high enough..

and CORRECT, one should NOT be able to achieve this outside of $cientology.

Seeing that with Robert Monroe's ($72 cost for six tapes at that time) guided meditation tapes I found that by just using one 30 min tape, when I came back from the nap, I a) felt great 2) had new insights and 3) had an F/N.

Monroe's tapes use a sound that mimics the beat sound between two Tibetian meditation bells, which induces a hypnotic state.

The important thing is Monroe was not a sociopath... In the beginning of the tapes, Robert Monroe operates your trance, while conditioning you how to do it safely..(There are some strange things 'out there') and later in the tapes he turns over control of your trance TO YOU..

Reading the official government inquiries saying "Its basically hypnosis", like I said, does NOT get sufficient emotional traction... seeing I was getting an F/N from meditation got sufficient emotional traction to abandon all implanted suggestions from Hubbard as the ultimate psycopathic 'expert operator' of the trance I once had been stuck in, unable to leave, for ten years.

Why is this important?

IF one were to dare go to my hypnosis page... the top link in the CENTER column of Lermanet.com one might read the following in the FIRST file in the archive:

The ANDERSEN REPORT

Report of the Board of Enquiry into Scientology
by Kevin Victor Anderson, Q.C.
Published 1965 by the State of Victoria, Australia

CHAPTER 18
Pages 115 thru 118

SCIENTOLOGY AND HYPNOSIS

The Board heard expert evidence in relation to hypnosis and hypnotic techniques. There are, broadly speaking, two types of hypnosis: passive hypnosis, and command or authoritative hypnosis. Hypnosis, properly administered by skilled practitioners, has its proper place in psychiatric practice, and, in suitable cases, produces beneficial results. In the practice of medicine the type of hypnosis generally used is passive ; the patient is allowed to, and helped to, go into hypnosis entirely voluntarily, and the hypnotist plays a completely passive role. This technique is quite the reverse of authoritative or command hypnosis, where the hypnotist assumes positive authoritative control over the patient who, though he may or may not be aware of what techniques the practitioner is practising on him, is nevertheless under the domination of the hypnotist pursuant to positive commands.

"Because of the serious risk of harm to the patient, it is only in rare and exceptional circumstances that authoritative hypnosis is resorted to in medical practice. The distinction between the two types of hypnosis, the one beneficial and the other potentially harmful, is to be borne in mind when considering the hypnotic qualities of scientology techniques. "

(More you should read in original)

"In the skilled practice of hypnosis the practitioner is well aware of the dangers which may arise from the tendency to develop in the patient a degree of dependency upon the practitioner, who is concerned to ensure that this and other dangers inherent in hypnosis do not develop. It is the firm conclusion of this Board that most scientology and dianetic techniques are those of authoritative hypnosis and as such are dangerous. "

====

Now google "Bad effects of Hypnosis"

"Generally, the negative side effects of Hypnosis can be divided into these categories:
- Problems resulting from unintended suggestions
- Obscuring actual physical health problems
- Suicidal depression
- Panic attacks or psychotic episodes
- Symptom substitution "

The above could be used as an introduction in a Scientology "Technical Bulletin" for an the "Introspection Rundown" or more properly for Mike Gormez's old "Why Are They Dead" website.

Arnie Lerma

Side Bar: Hubbard is acting as the authoritative hypnotist - AT A DISTANCE - from the instant you crack open one his books... and then surrogately through his "auditors". (note). This is why you are told to DUPLICATE HIS INSTRUCTIONS, cause he cant really tell you what the hell you are doing... Hypnosis is dangerous if you don't know what you are doing, now, deep breath.. one last idea:

Imagine if you didn't even know THAT you are doing it?


Note: Charles Manson was the first person to get convicted of murders that he did not commit himself, he committed them through his followers...

"In fact, there had been an E-Meter at the Spahn Ranch where his "family" stayed."
Paul Krassner Editor of The Realist

The fact that you mention Robert Monroe's tapes validates my feeling about auditing being somewhat like a near death experience. Eben Alexander who wrote "Proof of Heaven" which was about a near death experience he had said that he got a similar feeling when he listened to these tapes.

So if Monroe's hemi-sync tapes = near death experience and Arnie says the tapes give a floating needle then could not the tapes be like a near death experience?

Really does not make any difference but most here did not think auditing was like a near death experience. I guess you would have to experience all three to know for sure . Any voluteers?