Good Thoughts That Never Existed in the Cof$

[RogerB]

I ran across the following in my reading this morning.

Apart from the con that Hubbard pulled on us, I can't help thinking how much more beneficial our experience in $cn would have been had these notions been practiced instead of the hatred, nastiness and violation of rights that became so routine in the establishments of Scientology Orgs.

The teachings of a mother play a vital role in shaping the future of her children. She should make every effort to drive away bad qualities and infuse human values in them. Embodiments of love, lead an exemplary life. Give up all negative thoughts and develop sacred feelings. Talk softly and sweetly. Never hurt others’ feelings with harsh talk. Look after your home diligently and conduct yourselves in a pleasing manner. Treat guests cordially; to the extent possible, extend your help to those who are in need of it. Empathize with those who are in difficulties. You should try to comfort and console them with soothing words. Know that anyone who hurts others’ feelings, will be hurt twice as much. No one can escape from the consequences of their actions. Hence, sanctify your lives by reforming your conduct to help ever and hurt never.
–SSB 2002

I don't know who "SSB" is.


Rog

 

[Ted]

I ran across the following in my reading this morning.

Apart from the con that Hubbard pulled on us, I can't help thinking how much more beneficial our experience in $cn would have been had these notions been practiced instead of the hatred, nastiness and violation of rights that became so routine in the establishments of Scientology Orgs.

Rog

Had Hubbard, and consequently people calling themselves Scientologists, a sincere benevolence in applying the fundamental auditor's code, i.e. no inval, no eval, be effective, auditing is for the pc, yada yada, there would have been no nastiness or violation of human rights, and the orgs would be safe havens for everyone.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Had Hubbard, and consequently people calling themselves Scientologists, a sincere benevolence in applying the fundamental auditor's code, i.e. no inval, no eval, be effective, auditing is for the pc, yada yada, there would have been no nastiness or violation of human rights, and the orgs would be safe havens for everyone.

The real world does contain 'eval and inval' though and creating a 'safe scientology haven' would have just created even more narcissistic needy sooks ... the place for comfort, consolation and soothing words is within the family or between friends that genuinely care for each other.

There was never a need for scientology in the first place and it's certainly not an alternative/replacement for family and loved ones, though it becomes just that for many scientologists to the detriment of all concerned and is how creepy cults are created.

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[Type4_PTS]

I don't know who "SSB" is.

SSB stands for "Sathya Sai Baba". I copied and pasted that quote in your OP and found it on this website:
http://media.radiosai.org/sai_inspires/2012/SI_20121119.htm

The Wikipedia entry says: (emphasis added by me)

Śri Sathya Sai Baba (born as Sathyanarayana Raju (23 November 1926 – 24 April 2011[4]) was an Indian guru, spiritual figure, mystic, philanthropist and educator.[5] He claimed to be the reincarnation of Sai Baba of Shirdi who was considered a spiritual saint and a miracle worker, whose teachings were an eclectic blend of Hindu and Muslim beliefs, and who died in 1918.[6][7][8][9][10][11]
The materializations of vibhuti (holy ash) and other small objects such as rings, necklaces and watches by Sathya Sai Baba were a source of both fame and controversy; devotees considered them signs of divinity, while skeptics viewed them as simple conjuring tricks.
Photos of Sathya Sai Baba are displayed in millions of homes and on car dashboards. Lockets bearing his photo are worn by many as a symbol of good fortune and are often kept in wallets for spiritual protection.[12] Sai Baba had ashrams in 126 countries and also ran a network of hospitals, clinics and schools that were often free.[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba

 

[Leon]

Free???????

Go and wash your mouth out with soap for saying such a rude word. Only DBs would want something for free, and only SPs would offer it. There must be EXCHANGE. And DONATIONS. Lots of them. To show how ethical you are and how upstat and on-source.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Re: Good Thoughts That exist in another cult

http://robertpriddy.wordpress.com/

Sathya Sai Baba

I think I'll pass, I really don't look good in orange ...
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[Type4_PTS]

Re: Good Thoughts That exist in another cult

I think I'll pass, I really don't look good in orange ...

I don't think ANYBODY looks good in that color orange.

In the link you posted in said.....

That he was ostracised because of his homosexual tendencies even in boyhood was testified in a video clip from the film “Sai Baba – Strange Avatar” (Ireland 1996). An Indian professor, Gnanasakarin, former Lecturer of Engineering at Sathya Sai University, describes how shepherds he met who knew Sathya Sai Baba in his childhood reported that he was already sexually invasive of other boys private parts. Transcript of the brief video clip:

“I met one of the shepherds up in the mountain and they were chums of Sathya Sai Baba when he was growing up and they used to say how poor the family was at the time and the other kids around the town used to tease him a lot, Sathya Sai Baba. Even in those days when he was young he used to touch boys in places – very strange places.

IF this is all true it appears that he would have fit in nicely within the Catholic Church as well.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Oy F'ning Vey.

I hold his thoughts and ideas to be true and of great Heart.

I never laid a hand on one of my children and they are all exemplary Citizens, with lives engaged in service to Humanity and Loving Hearts.

Personally, I don't give a rats ass what color duds he wore, what his 'do looked like or what his sexual orientation was.

Peace.

Face

 

[TG1]

Face, I wish I knew you IRL. I like how you roll.

TG1

 

[Type4_PTS]

SSB stands for "Sathya Sai Baba". I copied and pasted that quote in your OP and found it on this website:

oops, that's supposed to read "I copied and pasted that quote in your OP into Google and found it on this website:"

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

oops, that's supposed to read "I copied and pasted that quote in your OP into Google and found it on this website:"

Dontcha just hate it when ya do shit like that?

Do shit like that all the time meself.



Face

 

[Type4_PTS]

Dontcha just hate it when ya do shit like that?

Yes, I do hate it, especially when I don't find it until after the deadline passes where I can edit something.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Yes, I do hate it, especially when I don't find it until after the deadline passes where I can edit something.

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

Hm, the quote in the OP sounds pretty standard guru stuff, kinda sounds like a bit of mangled Desiderata too, meh.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Hm, the quote in the OP sounds pretty standard guru stuff, kinda sounds like a bit of mangled Desiderata too, meh.

Nah...Youze just more interested in mooses and than muses.



Face

 

[Axiom142]

Well, since we are quoting prophets here, tell me which one you prefer:

LOVE, 1. love, as a word, has too many meanings, and so we use an old word, affinity, as meaning the love or brotherhood from one dynamic to another.

- L. Ron Hubbard (Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary)

And think not you can direct the course of love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.
Love has no other desire but to fulfil itself.
But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:
To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night.
To know the pain of too much tenderness.
To be wounded by your own understanding of love;
And to bleed willingly and joyfully.
To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving;
To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;
To return home at eventide with gratitude;
And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips.

- Kahlil Gibran (The Prophet)

And to bleed willingly and joyfully.

God, how I wish I could write like him.

Axiom142

 

[Petey C]

The teachings of a mother play a vital role in shaping the future of her children. She should make every effort to drive away bad qualities and infuse human values in them. Embodiments of love, lead an exemplary life. Give up all negative thoughts and develop sacred feelings. Talk softly and sweetly. Never hurt others’ feelings with harsh talk. Look after your home diligently and conduct yourselves in a pleasing manner. Treat guests cordially; to the extent possible, extend your help to those who are in need of it. Empathize with those who are in difficulties. You should try to comfort and console them with soothing words. Know that anyone who hurts others’ feelings, will be hurt twice as much. No one can escape from the consequences of their actions. Hence, sanctify your lives by reforming your conduct to help ever and hurt never.

I agree -- sorta. But IRL you can't always talk softly and sweetly in response to everything that happens, and after decades of looking at mothers I'm not sure they actually can "drive away bad qualities" in their kids; some kids just have these qualities hardwired in and no amount of sweet talking is going to work. And it ain't just mothers who are responsible for kids -- fathers have a responsibility too.

But all that apart, I think the main message here is to be moral and ethical (with all the relativities and complexities that involves), to be aware of the consequences of what you do, to be positive rather than negative, and to love others. All of that I can agree with.

For me, the secret is knowing -- and constantly reminding oneself -- that the universe is connected and an act of deliberate hurt results in self-harm. No (wo)man is an island. Do unto others. What ye do to the least of my flock. Those aphorisms all say more or less the same thing, and they are true.

 

[Type4_PTS]

God, how I wish I could write like him.

Gibran's one of my favorites. Back in what seems like another lifetime I had to read something as part of a Public Speaking class, and this is what I chose:

On Freedom
Kahlil Gibran

At the city gate and by your fireside I have seen you prostrate yourself and worship your own freedom,
Even as slaves humble themselves before a tyrant and praise him though he slays them.
Ay, in the grove of the temple and in the shadow of the citadel I have seen the freest among you wear their freedom as a yoke and a handcuff.
And my heart bled within me; for you can only be free when even the desire of seeking freedom becomes a harness to you, and when you cease to speak of freedom as a goal and a fulfilment.


You shall be free indeed when your days are not without a care nor your nights without a want and a grief,
But rather when these things girdle your life and yet you rise above them naked and unbound.


And how shall you rise beyond your days and nights unless you break the chains which you at the dawn of your understanding have fastened around your noon hour?
In truth that which you call freedom is the strongest of these chains, though its links glitter in the sun and dazzle your eyes.


And what is it but fragments of your own self you would discard that you may become free?
If it is an unjust law you would abolish, that law was written with your own hand upon your own forehead.
You cannot erase it by burning your law books nor by washing the foreheads of your judges, though you pour the sea upon them.
And if it is a despot you would dethrone, see first that his throne erected within you is destroyed.
For how can a tyrant rule the free and the proud, but for a tyranny in their own freedom and a shame in their own pride?
And if it is a care you would cast off, that care has been chosen by you rather than imposed upon you.
And if it is a fear you would dispel, the seat of that fear is in your heart and not in the hand of the feared.


Verily all things move within your being in constant half embrace, the desired and the dreaded, the repugnant and the cherished, the pursued and that which you would escape.
These things move within you as lights and shadows in pairs that cling.
And when the shadow fades and is no more, the light that lingers becomes a shadow to another light.
And thus your freedom when it loses its fetters becomes itself the fetter of a greater freedom.

 

[Lermanet_com]

I ran across the following in my reading this morning.

Apart from the con that Hubbard pulled on us, I can't help thinking how much more beneficial our experience in $cn would have been had these notions been practiced instead of the hatred, nastiness and violation of rights that became so routine in the establishments of Scientology Orgs.




I don't know who "SSB" is.


Rog

Nice one, - there are only two rules in the Huna religion from Hawaii (similar beliefs can be found amongst certain tribes in the mountains of west africa also, strangely...)

Rule# 1 Never hurt another persons feelings

Rule #2 Never take or damage another persons stuff

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Re: Good Thoughts That exist in another cult

snipped.

IF this is all true it appears that he would have fit in nicely within the Catholic Church as well.

Sad but true.

The Desiderata is truly beautiful, it spoke to my heart the very first time I read it and probably does to most, at least in part because it contains no unrealistic esoteric drivel or any agenda. There's also an absence of a lurking, smirking cultic/messiah like figure hovering in the background which is always a relief ... but you know, each to his own.

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