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Carmel

Crusader
They aren't all robots - Some are stuck between a rock and a hard place, and many could do with a shoulder to lean on or advice as to where to find one.

If you were to get a call, wouldn't it be better to get an inkling of where they are at, and maybe offer some truths and a helping hand?

When I used to get calls, I'd play it by ear. Through doing so, I know I had influence in helping some get the guts or confidence in making the move to get out. Admittedly I gave the odd one both barrels, but only after they tried to pull rank on me or hassled my kids or some such thing.

These guys doing call-in are people, not toys. They're not your problem, maybe, but that doesn't make it kosher to use them as entertainment at their expense, IMO.
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
206 is Seattle area, actually.

But they do use some kind of munged caller id. My cell phone has caller id, of course (home phone doesn't) and when I've tried to call them back, the numbers never work.
 

Rmack

Van Allen Belt Sunbather
They aren't all robots - Some are stuck between a rock and a hard place, and many could do with a shoulder to lean on or advice as to where to find one.

If you were to get a call, wouldn't it be better to get an inkling of where they are at, and maybe offer some truths and a helping hand?

When I used to get calls, I'd play it by ear. Through doing so, I know I had influence in helping some get the guts or confidence in making the move to get out. Admittedly I gave the odd one both barrels, but only after they tried to pull rank on me or hassled my kids or some such thing.

These guys doing call-in are people, not toys. They're not your problem, maybe, but that doesn't make it kosher to use them as entertainment at their expense, IMO.

I promise you it was not my intent to just play with them. I tried, with as much camaraderie as I could muster, to show this girl that there are serious, major, show-stopping 'out-points' in the cult, especially with the upper bridge. I expected to be cut off at any time by some monitoring senior like I was before, so I was getting in as much info as I could before the plug got pulled.

I might have given the impression that I was argumentative and harsh, but I really did try to keep it as light as possible. It was always in the back of my mind that here was a sincere, well-meaning young woman who was in grave danger of wasting her life as a slave for this monstrous cult, and what was the best thing I could say that might get her to question what she was doing, and maybe get some outside sources of info.

I would consider it a major life accomplishment if I could save even one person from a life of indentured servitude with this abomination of an organization.

Sure, I play it by ear, too. I kept going because this girl seemed to be listening, which was rather surprising. Most of them that I've talked to over the years just clam up. (yuk, yuk).

One time, many years ago, I was walking through a mall in Hemet, and I saw some folks demonstrating and selling those toy airplanes that did loops when you threw them. One came back and smacked this girl in the face, and I saw her start to do a contact assist, so I knew I was looking at a member.

I asked her if she was, she confirmed, said she thought there was something about my friend and I (Richard Hernandez). I had just read Bent's book, so I started to relate what I had found out in that book about the upper levels, and she freaked out! I mean screaming for security, screaming that I was an SP, I mean it looked like a psychotic episode.

I said 'look, I'm not an SP, I just...' 'YES YOU ARE!!!! SECURITY! SECURITY!!!! AHHHH!'

I was quite taken aback. I had never seen anyone, let alone a Scio, freak out that bad over anything. People were looking at this display wondering wtf was going on. I did explain to people close by that she was a member of Scientology, and I was trying to tell her some things that were wrong with it.

Richard wanted to leave, so I went with him. I wish now I had hung around. I certainly had done nothing wrong. It would have been interesting to see how it played out.

So, I've kind of always kept that in mind, as I always expect some kind of reaction like that, more or less, when trying to dissuade someone who's in, so I try to get in some points that will nag at them later before the wall goes up.



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Carmel

Crusader
Yeah, I get it Rmack - Good to hear.

Ya know, I was speaking to a young woman a few weeks back. She is one that used to do 'call-in' to people in our household last year. She's out now, and she posts on this board. She wasn't a bitch when she called here (in fact ya could tell that she was a pretty nice chick). I think she would tell ya that exes and "disaffected's" maintaining "ARC" but communicating their reality on the whole score, was a help if anything, regarding her decision to get out (rather than a hindrance, like it was, from those who did the opposite).

That's the point I was trying to make.
 

Rmack

Van Allen Belt Sunbather
Yeah, I get it Rmack - Good to hear.

Ya know, I was speaking to a young woman a few weeks back. She is one that used to do 'call-in' to people in our household last year. She's out now, and she posts on this board. She wasn't a bitch when she called here (in fact ya could tell that she was a pretty nice chick). I think she would tell ya that exes and "disaffected's" maintaining "ARC" but communicating their reality on the whole score, was a help if anything, regarding her decision to get out (rather than a hindrance, like it was, from those who did the opposite).

That's the point I was trying to make.

Yeah, I figure I'm just planting seeds, hoping they will grow.

I have a feeling these seeds went in deep, as she listened carefully. She threw out a couple of lame justifications, but that was just what she was programmed to do. I have a good feeling about her future. If she can maintain the sort of willingness to listen to other sources that she seemed to have, she has a chance.
 
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programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
WHY?

Apparently the CofS is now recently desperate to try to get exe's back "in".
There has to be a reason for this stupidity AND I would really like to know WHY.
 

Iknowtoomuch

Gold Meritorious Patron
Hopefully, Slappy is brewing up the Koolaid (registered trademark.) as we speak!

God, it's good to be a real stark raving two percenter.

Is this mean enough for you IKTM?



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Lol, I was kidding.
Being nice and making a point works better anyways.:thumbsup:
 

programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
I'd like to know why the CofS has been THIS desperate for money these last few months. They are calling exe's that have not been "in" for decades... some even having been declared!

This is very weird.

I don't think that the CofS right-hand knows what the CofS left-hand is doing.
This is stupidity and desperation.

Would Marc Headley or Marty Rathbun have any idea WHY?
 

RosyGlass

Patron with Honors
I don't think that the CofS right-hand knows what the CofS left-hand is doing.
This is stupidity and desperation.

Would Marc Headley or Marty Rathbun have any idea WHY?

Well, if you look at Scn history: This occurs when the cash cows are no longer milking, and when there's been mass exodus.

Also, assume your calls are being monitored, maybe even recorded. Illegal, yes, what's new. With all the lawsuits, you can bet there's also intent to "find" any one and any info that would help them with their cases.

In addition, all OT's are now actually staff, though still called "volunteers", but mandatory continuous meetings, orders directly from DM. They have targets to meet, so anyone formerly on OT levels ... you're in the crosshairs.

And in the future, any time you see or hear something that doesn't make sense: Ask yourself one question: How is this going to get them moar money. :yes:
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
Sometimes they do.
Try 323-580-5520

Should I ask them if they have Prince Albert in a can?

Interesting that some of the numbers showing up on caller id are real. I mean, the ones they left for me in v'mail msgs were real, but there were a whole bunch on my cell phone's caller ID that weren't.
 

HCObringOrder?

Silver Meritorious Patron
Should I ask them if they have Prince Albert in a can?

Interesting that some of the numbers showing up on caller id are real. I mean, the ones they left for me in v'mail msgs were real, but there were a whole bunch on my cell phone's caller ID that weren't.

There is a couple of types of phone systems that allow the system to tell the phone network what their Caller ID is.
It can be done with a PRI, T1, or IP based phone system.
There are also computer based phone systems for robot calling using the same types of service as above.
In the case of the PRI, the owner can chose one of their line numbers as the Caller ID and then not route that number to any phone.
When a person calls the number the phone system sends the wrong number signal to the phone service.

There are Yellow Pages type services on the internet that find out who owns a number and allow you to search for their info.
If your willing to pay.
Not completely accurate with the speed that someone can change their phone number these days, but useful if someone has had the number for a while.

So play nice with the poor delusion-ed phone bots please.
 

RosyGlass

Patron with Honors
Just politely ask them if life is better for them now that DM has been declared.
oh, you haven't seen it yet?
Well, then, I won't discuss it further until you've seen it.
 

Rmack

Van Allen Belt Sunbather
I don't think that the CofS right-hand knows what the CofS left-hand is doing.
This is stupidity and desperation.

Would Marc Headley or Marty Rathbun have any idea WHY?

Isn't it obviously some kind of big push? 'all hands get every phone number from every file anywhere, and call it and push the basics!' or some such mono-maniacal rubbish. That's the way we operated back in the day. Doesn't look like they changed much.



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programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
Should I ask them if they have Prince Albert in a can?

Or you could call and ask if their refrigerator is still running. I don't care.

Interesting that some of the numbers showing up on caller id are real. I mean, the ones they left for me in v'mail msgs were real, but there were a whole bunch on my cell phone's caller ID that weren't.

I never doubted your report about your experiences on this particular item.
 
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