How Do Objectives Work?

[Royal Prince Xenu]

One is supposed to clap his hands/legs to match a certain metronome beat (57 beats per second).

The people doing that should get Olympic medals.

Paul

I think he means 57 per minute. Wouldn't work for me. I have a piano teaching program on the PC, and I cannot practise with the "metronome" it drives me mad! I can't count notes, I have to "feel" them.

So I reconfigured the program and do all my practice in the "Concert Hall" where all the accompaniment is included and NO F'G METRONOME. Once I'm achieving consistent scores of 97% or better, then I "go to the examiner" and get my "floating needle".

Get it? Metronome? Floating Needle? Back and forth?

I crack myself up, sometimes!

 

[programmer_guy]

I did not get anything out of objectives at all (in fact, I hated them).
So, I finally "faked" a cog, VGIs, and F/N to get out of them.

 

[Operating DB]

LOL! You've obviously never met anyone in a state of "What wall?", Roland.
Have you done Objectives? :confused2:
PS: If you're truly interested in knowing how "Keep it from going away" can be of benefit to an individual I'm quite willing to explain it in non-scientological terms.

I remember doing this process in '81 and my cog was that by "keeping it from going away" correlated to gaining control over one's mental image pictures and therefore not going the effect of them.

 

[scooter]

I think the key that made Objectives "in the old days" work well yet GAT Objectives seem to be universally hated is the TRs of the auditor.

I've seen them run robotically at narconons to little or no result (unless you count later reversion to drugs) and seen them run to wins and "quickied" yet the person didn't revert to drugs.

DM has made a great fuss about "quickied" objectives and I had some of my objectives run by a nazi-type auditor and I came into PT but didn't much like it.

Thankfully my other auditors actually liked me and I got lots out of being audited by them.

I've run them on people to great wins but I've been told that they're "not run long enough" as the person involved was a heavy drug case.

I think that's where the hatred for them comes from.

 

[programmer_guy]

scooter,

I was in long before GAT. (I didn't like objectives at all.)

I was also a course sup for HQS and had nagging doubts about CCHs.
But I just used "thought stopping" techniques to deny it.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

I think the key that made Objectives "in the old days" work well yet GAT Objectives seem to be universally hated is the TRs of the auditor.

I've seen them run robotically at narconons to little or no result (unless you count later reversion to drugs) and seen them run to wins and "quickied" yet the person didn't revert to drugs.

DM has made a great fuss about "quickied" objectives and I had some of my objectives run by a nazi-type auditor and I came into PT but didn't much like it.

Thankfully my other auditors actually liked me and I got lots out of being audited by them.

I've run them on people to great wins but I've been told that they're "not run long enough" as the person involved was a heavy drug case.

I think that's where the hatred for them comes from.

As a pc I was virtually drug free, and certainly for most of my time on post I was already in PT. After all, life as a staffer is a PTP!

I don't think I was in session for more than two hours. Very quickly I went VGIs (but didn't know why), and then I just went down hill. I felt I was being roboticised (I note someone else used the same word). At no time was I unco-operative with the auditor, no anaten nor dope off, just more and more boredom (when do we get to the good stuff?).

Ceedia: You were C/S at the time, do you remember anything worth reporting on my attempted objectives?

I do understand the drug issue, because I had already spoken to several people who were thankful for the purif and objectives, because they finally realized that the walls were meant to be stationary. Much later, after I had left, I had my second case of kidney stones, and was dosed up to 150% on Pethadine, and yes, the ceiling above me was m_o-v^i-n_g. I was still in pain, but at least I had a personal roof TV to provide some distraction.

Of course, now I have the routine down pat: Pethadine, this arm. Buscopan and Maxalon, this arm. Vomit bowl, right now! Now wheel me into Maternity because they've run out of beds in the main ward.

 

[uniquemand]

If you quickly went VGIs, and then it went downhill, I'd like to indicate that you were overrun. This is obvious to any auditor who knows what overrun is. Sadly, some auditors don't seem to understand it. These people aren't, IMO, in fact, actually auditors.

Please recollect the moment that you went VGIs. Thanks. You're done.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

If you quickly went VGIs, and then it went downhill, I'd like to indicate that you were overrun. This is obvious to any auditor who knows what overrun is. Sadly, some auditors don't seem to understand it. These people aren't, IMO, in fact, actually auditors.

Please recollect the moment that you went VGIs. Thanks. You're done.

I do believe I went into over-run, but my "VGIs" wasn't exactly a cog. It was more like the embarrassment you would feel if you were in full uniform (SO, or any other you choose), and then had to walk through the mall wearing a bright pink tutu.

 

[uniquemand]

You consider embarrassment VGIs?

 

[scooter]

scooter,

I was in long before GAT. (I didn't like objectives at all.)

I was also a course sup for HQS and had nagging doubts about CCHs.
But I just used "thought stopping" techniques to deny it.

Mate, I know what you mean.

I saw people grinding away going nowhere and I also saw people having huge wins.

I saw abilities gained and abilities lost (the latter were a lot rarer than the former.)

This was both pre- and post-GAT.

But I probably should've been clearer - post-GAT was when I saw the bulk of the "grind."

My own objectives were "done" early 80s and a lot more people (in Sydney at least) seemed to enjoy them rather than detest them then.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

You consider embarrassment VGIs?

You have to keep it in context. I can't think of a better word. "Oh, I feel silly doing this, but it's just a bit of fun...," the problem being that the "fun" wore off very quickly.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I've often thought that Scn auditing is a three steps forward two steps back situation.

 

[Dulloldfart]

The auditor can run CCHs 1-4 in such a way that they are excruciating to endure if the pc is up to the point of being able to run CCH1 and CCH2 without going unconscious or so forth. If CCH3 or CCH4 is run at too low a gradient, where it is easy to do the command, the whole thing seems incredibly childish and would evoke protest in almost anyone.

But run CCH3 and CCH4 where it is barely possible - but it is still possible - to do the command each time, even if it takes a few tries, with the pc having to fight to be really there enough to remember the details closely enough to repeat the command, and it gets to be very valuable.

However, do any of the CCHs HCOBs spell this out? Fuck no.

Paul

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

I agree. I've thought in the past that the CCHs would be great for certain psychiatric patients (to get them more into PT), the problem is though that when somatics begin to turn on, most compassionate psychiatric nurses etc. would stop the commands as soon as the patient complained instead of persevering through it. I've felt quite faint on the "Give me that hand" one and had a struggle to push through it, so I can speak from experience here.

 

[Vinaire]

Generally speaking, I think they work (when they work) like this.

All one is really doing as a pc is practicing being in present time. I will speak in absolutes here. To the extent that your attention is in present time it is not spattered all over the universe, or on the argument you had yesterday, or the time you got abused as a child, or whatever. It is available for you to use in your life right here right now.

A racing car driver driving for an hour or two can't take his attention out of present time for very long or he's dead. Anyone doing competitive sports similarly, although it is not usually so lethal, and the higher the level of competition the more intensely in present time you need to be. Some sport like table tennis at competition level, mid-rally, you'd better really be there or you lose the point very quickly. Competition darts you'd better be there at the point of the actual throw, but outside of that you can waffle around without too much trouble.

The longer you spend being in present time on a regular basis, the easier it becomes to stay there when you don't "have to".

So someone who normally lives his life intensely there isn't going to get a whole lot out of a battery of objectives, and some sluggard maybe will and maybe won't. The idea of overrun takes on a new meaning. There really isn't an EP to an objective process in this view, is there? Beyond that old chestnut for Op Pro By Dup of being able to run it for ever without protest, which I didn't really understand before. The different processes are really just variations on a theme. Hubbard added a lot of significance to them that I don't think needs to be there.

One is not going for a cognition. One is going for the ability of largely being in present time OUT OF SESSION.

Now, I don't see why one needs an auditor to do this, once you get past the dope-off stage. You are drilling being in present time, preferably intensely so, for hours at a time. Why tie up someone else's time? You can probably do it with a video game that demands intense attention and if you waver for half a second you lose. Take a break for a minute every so often--I doubt if it makes a whole lot of difference. But practice being intensely in present time for hour upon hour. Probably much more useful (much more intense) and a whole lot more fucking interesting than Book and Bottle!

Looking at a computer screen that much isn't so good, but hey, many people look at one for eight hours a day with few breaks, so it isn't going to kill you.

Heh. This would makes 300 hours of Objectives really fun as well as useful.

Paul

Here is my viewpoint on why objectives work:

Post #74, Idenics and Me

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[Night Owl]

I had very strange things happen to me during objectives, more so than any other auditing action. I, to this day, do not understand how or why. Most all of my auditing was a temporary gain situation as the effects did not last-although at the time I felt high and in love with all people-I wonder if this is what ecstasy drugs feel like...hmph. :confused2:

During objectives (dont remember which one), a screaching loud high pitched saw noise turned on in my head, so deafening that I had to shut my eyes and could not hear the auditor for many minutes. It was a painful noise and it was all around the head. At the time, when i was buying the whole past lives thing-i though-oh oh it must be that my head was sawed into by a PSYCH in a past life...yeah thats it....aha.

Anyway then I had some head pain then it all slowly dissappeared. This went on for 15 minutes. By far this was the strangest thing that ever happened to me in all of auditing followed by many other oddities that are less worthy of a share.

I seem to think now that it was a neurological response more than anything-after all I was doing the same tasks for hours in an empty closet (really) with an auditor.

I have no other explanation for this as I do not believe that one legitimately contacts past lives in auditing. That is my opinion. I think that auditing causes an large number of false memories to be created, and this was true for me and others I have since spoken to. That was my just experience.

Imagine being my poor auditor while that happenend as I say 'eh?, cant hear you sonny...speak up, got a saw going off in my head !'

 

[RogerB]

Interesting Comments on Objectives

This is my first post to the board. I'll have to do my intro later.

The first thread I collided with on joining was this one on "Why Objectives Work." This is a subject I have some input on. I got into Scn in 1957, in Sydney, before there was an org and actually helped set up the center that eventually became the org. I've received and delivered up around 1,000 hours of objectives in total.

LRH didn't really make a clear statement on why they work though he did drop bits and pieces of info on that issue over the years in HCOBs and tapes. Yes, they "cause you to come into PT"-- but that does not explain how it is achieved or the mechanics of their working. He did say in a lecture that they cause the thetan to "make space" as a result of reaching and communicating with MEST in the physical universe.

I was an Aussie swim champ (gold medal in 1954) so I have a substantial subjective reality on being in PT. I have surfed the biggest waves the Pacific can serve up, and skied the biggest mountains of the alps--if you want to experience being in PT do that

So, why do objectives work? They work because they cause you to knowingly exercise the basic abilities and powers you have that you use, or are involved, in your relationships in the game of life and your interface with the physical universe.

This is what champion athletes do . . . they knowingly exercise a chosen ability they want to increase the power and facility of.

Let's look at an example of one ability that can be knowingly exercised and put more powerfully under your control as a result of good processing on objectives.

Awareness is a basic faculty we have. Indeed my personal definition of "attention" is that attention is directed awareness. That is you are using your spiritual power to direct your awareness. When you do this knowingly, of course, your are then in control, exercising your powers. Err, anyone notice how most folks out there are not doing this on a knowing basis? I mean, how many folks do you know who actully, truly have there attention under control and wholly where and on what they want!

Properly run objectives fixes that

Part of what LRH said on objectives is that they break up the person's "automaticities." And that is true . . . it is also true that paying attention to what you are doing (as in skiing big mountains or surfing really big waves) will break up one's automaticities, and put you in PT.

I had phenomenal gains from doing objectives (and I've done them all). Folks I've processed on them also have had phenomenal gains on them. The key to it is in being an educated client/PC who knows why you are doing the process, and what you are doing when you are doing it.

PCs who have a tough, winless time of it are generally either not grooved in on the process or they are likely in a detached state such that, being numb, not much moves them. Hence the process was not right for them

Alan Walter actually reworked the whole scenario apropos the objectives. He did a masterful job of it, and in essence perfected them so they are now universally workable and to colossal gains.

There is a clever observation in this thread on the subject of over-run and going past the EP.

Alan has also reworked that issue, and corrected it.

The fact is, good processing, objectives in particular, can produce huge spiritual ascensions. These are huge "moving ups" into higher levels of awareness and being; a recovery of earlier huge spiritual awareness, powers, ability and states of Being. The trouble is, when this occurs, if the client is not properly role educated, the client begins to unwittingly collide with and empower the remaining unhandled case at the ascended to level. The result is either a "come down," and apparent "loss of gains'" or an outright crash and burn.

Alan has written extensively on all this, and has R/Ds for handling it and recovering ascension states one has "come down from."

Also, his reworked objectives are actually done on the basis on of knowingly exercising your specific spiritual abilities and powers.

For you folk who may still have your vision of recovering the truth of your spiritual powers, nature and Being, I recommend getting a hold of Alan's material and using it. I have been so doing since 1994 to phenomenal gains. Some, of course, have given up on that endeavour; so that is that.
Hope this little ditty helped.

Roger

 

[Vinaire]

I like your definition of ATTENTION as "directed awareness."

I look forward to examining Alan's materials.

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[Good twin]

Welcome Roger. I love Alan and you seem like a good guy. I look forward to hearing more from you.

Good twin

 

[Alanzo]

It looks like we've been given a good Rogering in this thread now.

Good Twin?

Do you agree?