I AM A CHRISTIAN SCIENTOLOGIST

[HelluvaHoax!]

Yes, maybe some of you guys could be a bit less confrontational toward Pip. We all have our different paths and just because it's not yours doesn't mean you have to be a dick.

I thought about what you said. But, I just see a spirited discussion here. I don't really see anyone being offensive just because they might not understand or agree.

Hey, what do you think about this?

I am both a psychiatrist and a scientologist.

I prescribe psychotropics by day and I am on the SHSBC Foundation hours. Sometimes when my pc bogs on a correction list I give them ECT in session to get them F/Ning again.

I mean REALLY! Why pretend that Scientology is compatible with the Bible. It just seems silly to me.

 

[Pip]

Christians believe redemption comes from God's grace.

Scientologists redemption comes from e-meters and heavy regging.

As a Christian, you believe in charity. As a Scientologist, you're out exchange. Giving to the needy when you could be donating to Scientology's coffers is a suppressive act.

I can make up ideas all day long for why you're both a heretic and an SP.

Yes indeed Christians believe in "God's unmerited favour"

As a Christian Scientologist I believe in love, and also take heed of Jesus when he says "Be gentle as doves and as wise as serpents".

 

[Pip]

Hey, you guys, give Pip a break. He (or she) was brave enough to stand up for his/her beliefs and be honest and open about them (despite accurately predicting the response), and in my world s/he can believe whatever s/he likes provided it does no harm to others. Remember freedom of religion? I say all of this as a non-Christian, non-muslim, non-buddhist, non-hindu, non-Jew and non-just about anything else you care to name.

Pip, good on you. Many people here may not agree with you and that's their right too.

PD

Thanks for the support. Actually I am a 'he', although my wife does the typing, so it is a he/she endeavour. All those non's you are, I am also, hence the only church I am acceptable in is the Unitarian Universalists.

 

[ClamSource]

The bible says "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved"

LRH said "The practice of declaring people FAIR GAME will cease. FAIR GAME may not appear on any Ethics Order. It causes bad public relations. This PL [that is, policy letter] does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP."

SP heretic x5

 

[Gadfly]

The fact that Jesus was crucified is only a part of the story. He lived - died - and rose from the dead.

The "fact"? And, you know this exactly how? That some fellow "rose from the dead"? Were you there? Did you view this event in the Akashic Record? Did you channel a person who actually saw him rise?

It is a STORY. It is a descriptive drama that fuels the imagination (of some), that may very well have NOTHING to do with ANY "actuality" at all. In the same way that notions like "space opera", "knocking hats off at 50 feet", exteriorization and "doll bodies" excite and fuel the imagination of over-indoctrinated Scientologists. People have a near rabid tendency to believe just about anything that is in writing.

Personally, I think you may have "read too many books", took some of it a bit too seriously, and you might need to get out of you thinkingness for awhile.

Why not ADD to this already strange mix (Christinaity & Scientology)? Try meditating a bit everyday, empty your mind, and stop entertaining all of this SIGNIFICANCE!

And, "love" is impossible within any even slightly "standard application" of Scientology. The subject itself, by and with the ideas Hubbard codified, CREATES enemies, dissent, antagonism, attacks, and contributes to an endless "games condition" (one thing fighting another thing).

Scientology encourages and promotes doing things to others that you would NOT want done to YOU! Such as lying, sending out noisy investigations, initiating overwhelming lawsuits to silence critics (regardless of the truth), hard sell, crush regging, endless threats, disconnection, ad nauseum.

This is one of the most amazingly wonderful maxims for ANY person to live their life:

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. (Christian notion)

THAT is NOT possible while existing as a "Scientologist" - unless of course you redefine the term "Scientologist" to mean that you can pick and choose a little here and there, and discard a GREAT DEAL of the endless stupidity created by Hubbard. The Church of Scientology initiates actions EVERY DAY, and has done so since Hubbard began the subject, that NOBODY would want done to them!

But, as Hubbard did accurately point out - a thetan can entertain any significiance - or in other words, a person can have any bundle of ideas (no matter how absurd or contradictory) "make sense". Finding Scientology & Christianity NOT contradictory would involve a HUGE amount of making sense of the absurd.

It seems to me that you are just taking what you learned from Scientology and apply it to your affiliation with Christian ideas - making sense of nonsense. THAT, making sense of nonsense, is one of the KEY "abilities gained" of participation with Scientology.

Personally, as I see it, taking the ONE Christian maxim above, and striving to live ones life by IT, would probably result in much more "spiritual gain" than all the auditing and training levels of Scientology combined.

 

[Nicole]

I have decided to "come out of the closet" since a guy from Canada phoned me as a result of my websites: www.christianscientology.info or www.christianscientology.co.uk I have not updated them for sometime but as a result of getting in com. with him it has encouraged me to persist.

I know some of you have a back-off from God and "all that", but on the basis of the "bigger the ARC the bigger the ARC break" I would rather be honest from the beginning than pretend I am something I am not.

I am "born again" and also "Clear" which I maintain is an unstoppable combination.

Couldn't you be a Christian without being a Scientologist?

What is eg with the Christian "law": "You shouldn't lie"! How much I had to lie as Scientologist. How much lied Hubbard !!!

It doesn't figure.

 

[Pip]

... and having said that, Pip, perhaps you need to look more carefully at what organised scientology is actually up to, and see whether it really is something you want to keep doing.

PD

I can never stop "knowing in the fullest sense of the word through study". I would join the CofS tomorrow but only as a Christian Scientologist but at present they find that unacceptable.

 

[Pip]

Didn't Monty Python do a skit about this? - 'And now to something entirely different: A christian Scientologist!'

Hmm.. Nah.. T'was the 'Dead parrot ' skit.. About Scientology.. And then it was Dave Allen doing one about christianity: Dude confessing his sins in a booth.. Well, the sins was unforgivable, so the wicker opened a trapdoor in the booth and the parishoner was engulfed in hells flames!

Think me! - I was out looking for Blu-Ray movies.. And I saw 'The Road to Perdition', and I felt my spirits rise: 'Holy crapola! - They did the Scientology Movie!!' - Oh, well, turned out to be about something else.. I did buy it anyway, since the cast of actors looked good.. Anybody seen it?

From Pip's typist! Yes I have seen 'The Road to Perdition' its a good movie - enjoy.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I can never stop "knowing in the fullest sense of the word through study". I would join the CofS tomorrow but only as a Christian Scientologist but at present they find that unacceptable.

Hey! Now we are getting somewhere.

Can you tell more about that "they find that unacceptable"? Sounds very interesting....

 

[TheRealNoUser]

I am not a Scientology Christian - I am a Christian Scientologist. I am not saying I understand love, I am saying I love understanding.

You won't find either love or understanding in Scientology.

 

[Gadfly]

Couldn't you be a Christian without being a Scientologist?

What is eg with the Christian "law": "You shouldn't lie"! How much I had to lie as Scientologist. How much lied Hubbard !!!

It doesn't figure.

"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor" is one of the Ten Commandments.

I suppose the Church of Scientology gets around this with the excuse, "well, he doesn't live NEXT DOOR, so technically, he or she is NOT my NEIGHBOR". So, I can LIE all I want about him or her! :confused2:

Hubbard wrote Fair Game, and all the policies on enemies and SPs. He wrote the TR-L (lying) drill for staff to practice and follow. THAT is "Scientology Dogma". It is entirely NOT able to coexist with the above notion of NOT telling lies. Other than in someone's very strange imagination - an imagination that largely discards all notions of logic, sense and reason (something over-indoctrinated Scientologists are well trained to do).

 

[Pip]

A person COULD be a Christian and a Scientologist in a few ways:

1) The Christian has done SOME of Scientology and considers themselves a Scientologist. But not the OT levels. Because they would have "disagreements" with Source and would need "disagreement checks" and other "false data" handlings to KSW.

2) The Christian was of some PR or Celebrity value to Scientology. Then Scientology would not harass them but use them instead.

3) The Christian was a source of income to Scientology. Red carpet treatment until the money runs out. Then to ethics when your eligibility is in question because of "other practices".

If you really intend to pursue your "Bridge to Total Freedom" you will be auditing space aliens for a decade or more. Is that anything that Jesus ever mentioned?

Really, are you serious?

I would like to say I am serious but the tech says that "Seriousness equals mass" and I dont choose to go there.

I do not fall into any of your catagories and although I am Clear No.937 (I think) it never really made sense to me further than Power Processing, where I floated on the commands. My Bible says "Know the truth and the truth will set you free"

 

[ClamSource]

Jesus said, "my kingdom is not of this earth".

Hubbard said ""Make money. Make more money. Make others produce so as to make money. However you get them in or why, just do it."

SP Heretic x6

 

[Pip]

If you're saying Jesus was able to reincarnate because he was OT, that means he could just "exteriorize" and didn't suffer crucifixion as a man, which is heresy.

If you're saying he couldn't exteriorize, you're denying him his big win, which is a suppressive act.

SP heretic x3

Jesus was fully God and fully man. We are not talking about reincarnation we are talking about being "born of the Spirit of God". The Bible says there are two births, one physical and one spiritual. As Jesus he was a human being (interiorised) and as God he was exteriorised,(the Christ). so you see neither sp or heretic, neither once, twice, or thrice.

 

[Nicole]

"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor" is one of the Ten Commandments.

I suppose the Church of Scientology gets around this with the excuse, "well, he doesn't live NEXT DOOR, so technically, he or she is NOT my NEIGHBOR". So, I can LIE all I want about him or her!

Hubbard wrote Fair Game, and all the policies on enemies and SPs, and THAT is "Scientology Dogma". It is entirely NOT able to coexist with the above notion of NOT telling lies. Other than in someone's very strange imagination.

Next one:
"Liebe deinen nächsten wie dich selbst" "You shall love your neighbour as yourself"

The German translation ist a little bit different, we don't talk about "neighbours", we talk about people that are "next" to us, that can eg be the women in the car behind me...

This believe can also not coexist with Scientology and Hubbards policies on enemies...

 

[ClamSource]

Jesus died for people's sins.

Scientology Fair Games for overts.

SP Heretic x7

 

[Gadfly]

Jesus was fully God and fully man. We are not talking about reincarnation we are talking about being "born of the Spirit of God". The Bible says there are two births, one physical and one spiritual. As Jesus he was a human being (interiorised) and as God he was exteriorised,(the Christ). so you see neither sp or heretic, neither once, twice, or thrice.

Man, you ARE a well-trained Scientologist!

How so?

You make sense of what is actually largely nonsense.

I live in the Bible Belt, and I hear these Bible-Bots routinely spew out, "the Bible says . . . . ". They are insane with THAT just as were/are Hubbard and Scientologists with the similar - "if it isn't written it isn't true" - "what does Ron say?" - "what is the reference"? Well, I hate to blow your bubble but there is MUCH "that is written", that is NOT TRUE!

This sort of attitude reminds me of the pictures of Hasidic Jews combing through various religious volumes, studying WORDS and SIGNIFICANCE for YEARS. Read, read, read, and take "what it says".

"This reference says this", and "that reference says that". And, for the most part, the words and IDEAS therein connect up to almost NOTHING outside of your overactive imagination! Such is the nature of excessive "thinkingness" (something participation with Scientology exagerrates).

Such is the sorry state of a fair majority of Earth humans.

Scientologists, and some over-the-top Christians, more often than not, exist largely within their own self-created imaginations (imaginations fueled of course by the spoken and written words of some all-knowing "authority").

 

[Panda Termint]

Funnily enough, I can see how being a "Christian Scientologist" might work for someone.

You'd just need to have your own interpretation of Christianity and couple that with your own interpretation of Scientology and there you'd have it!

I think that's exactly how it might work for Pip but, of course, I could be wrong. :confused2:

PS: It'd never work within the rigid framework of the CofS but, fortunately, Pip isn't in the CofS.

 

[Mick Wenlock]

I have decided to "come out of the closet" since a guy from Canada phoned me as a result of my websites: www.christianscientology.info or www.christianscientology.co.uk I have not updated them for sometime but as a result of getting in com. with him it has encouraged me to persist.

I know some of you have a back-off from God and "all that", but on the basis of the "bigger the ARC the bigger the ARC break" I would rather be honest from the beginning than pretend I am something I am not.

I am "born again" and also "Clear" which I maintain is an unstoppable combination.

OK so please reconcile some of the following difficulties if you can:

"I am the way the truth and the light and none come to the father but through me" The article of faith of being saved by faith. PLease explain why any christian would then need to be "clear" or to follow any other savior?

You say you are clear? Presumably then a) you never get sick b) have perfect recall and c) have an off the charts IQ - could you prove any of that?

Please detail your contributions to charity over the last year. "If I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal."

Did you give your possessions away? "Jesus saith to him: If thou wilt be perfect, go sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come follow me."

Where do you stand on the subject of upstats v downstats especially as it regards the poor?


I notice you do not post under your name - are you embarrassed about being a scientologist or a born again christian . I have not met many christians that felt the need to hide themselves when it comes to their faith. Just the opposite.

What protestant denomination do you worship at?

 

[Pip]

The "fact"? And, you know this exactly how? That some fellow "rose from the dead"? Were you there? Did you view this event in the Akashic Record? Did you channel a person who actually saw him rise?

It is a STORY. It is a descriptive drama that fuels the imagination (of some), that may very well have NOTHING to do with ANY "actuality" at all. In the same way that notions like "space opera", "knocking hats off at 50 feet", exteriorization and "doll bodies" excite and fuel the imagination of over-indoctrinated Scientologists. People have a near rabid tendency to believe just about anything that is in writing.

Personally, I think you may have "read too many books", took some of it a bit too seriously, and you might need to get out of you thinkingness for awhile.

Why not ADD to this already strange mix (Christinaity & Scientology)? Try meditating a bit everyday, empty your mind, and stop entertaining all of this SIGNIFICANCE!

And, "love" is impossible within any even slightly "standard application" of Scientology. The subject itself, by the ideas Hubbard codied, CREATES enemies, dissent, antagonism, attacks, and contributes to an endless "games condition" (one thing fighting another thing).

Scientology encourages and promotes doing things to others that you would NOT want done to YOU! Such as lying, sending out noisy investigations, initiating overwhelming lawsuits to silence critics (regardless of the truth), hard sell, crush regging, endless threats, disconnection, ad nauseum.

This is one of the most amazingly wonderful maxims for ANY person to live their life:

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. (Christian notion)

THAT is NOT possible while existing as a "Scientologist" - unless of course you redefine the term "Scientologist" to mean that you can pick and choose a little here and there, and discard a GREAT DEAL of the endless stupidity created by Hubbard. The Church of Scientology initiates actions EVERY DAY, and has done so since Hubbard began the subject, that NOBODY would want done to them!

But, as Hubbard did accurately point out - a thetan can entertain any significiance - or in other words, a person can have any bundle of ideas (no matter how absurd or contradictory) "make sense". Finding Scientology & Christianity NOT contradictory would involve a HUGE amount of making sense of the absurd.

It seems to me that you are just taking what you learned from Scientology and apply it to your affiliation with Christian ideas - making sense of nonsense. THAT, making sense of nonsense, is one of the KEY "abilities gained" of participation with Scientology.

Personally, as I see it, taking the ONE Christian maxim above, and striving to live ones life by IT, would probably result in much more "spiritual gain" than all the auditing and training levels of Scientology combined.

You ask some quite deep questions. I do have a memory of being present at the crucifixion but I don't easily go there, it is still quite heavily charged, and that may well all be in my imagination, only it runs like a genuine incident.

My main reason for my certainty is because of what happened to me after I got thrown out of St. Hill.

I had an encounter with The Holy Spirit one night as I lay in my bed. It was so amazing that even though I was declared I went straight down to St Hill in the morning and visited the examiner. I said "Jesus is alive today" 'cos those were the words that came out of my mouth. The examiner said "Thank you, your needle is floating". See this tech does work!

If I recall correctly after that I went back on course and got several other people down to the org. some Christian, but then the Evangelical churches started giving me a hard time saying Scientology was satanic and I should renounce it, so I burnt all my books and also two e-meters (caution, don't burn an e-meter with the battery in it, it will explode). In fact somewhere I have a photograph of my big framed picture of Ron with flames licking round it. As a result of this I was re-declared.

I do sit quietly first thing every morning, and it was during my quiet time today that I resolved to "come out of the closet". The barge (see avatar) is the mass to my significance.

When looking at LRH it is important to separate the human from the being. In my humanness I am capable of all kinds of heinous crimes but this is regulated by my beingness which is overshadowed by personhood. (Google Ontology of Personhood).

Paul the apostle says "For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do - this I keep on doing.....what a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God - through Jesus Christ our Lord!" Romans 7:19 and 24. What else can you expect from Ron, he was not born again.

Scientology is the only thing I have found that doesn't make Christianity ridiculous, and Christianity is the only thing that makes sense of Scientology in all its ramifications.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is indeed a "most amazingly wonderful maxim" but can sometimes be extremely difficult to put into practice. That is why we also have The Law which pure Scientology subscribes to completely.