I AM A CHRISTIAN SCIENTOLOGIST

[Challenge]

I'm terribly sorry. It's your daughter's loss. You're a great gal. I'm glad you've got a real good man, though. Wasn't there another song about...'A hard man is good to find'? Seriously, I too lost my closest family. But luckily I recently found that he was worthless. So now I have no regrets whatever. I hope you can one day be at peace with your hurt. It's worse losing a child. love, Reuben

Thanks, Reuben.

jana

 

[Pip]

You should read it then Pip - and sooner rather than later. There are more basic truths in that short story than in all the creeds, believe me.

Then read "Cannery Row" just for shits and giggles. :wink2:

I particularly like the bit where Danny and his friends consume a whole gallon jug of vino - the progression is marvelously described.

EP

I have read "Cannery Row" and also "Grapes of Wrath" but I don't find time for novels these days. Maybe I should.

 

[Pip]

By now, I'm guessing that anyone who might have been considering the idea of becoming a Christian Scientologist has more than enough information to make an informed decision on the matter.

I am just sharing my reality more than proselytizing. I have enjoyed the various viewpoints that have been expressed and if the time has come to move on then so be it.

 

[Pip]

Now you're on a buddha site? Oh, those poor people! We're stronger. We can handle a spiritual whack-job like you. But those poor peaceful little Buddhists. This is deplorable news.
Spirit and soul are the same. They're different only to Christians who don't really know about either, because they've never encountered them. God doesn't dwell among those who belong to a group of mass murderers or to a religon where the same is cultivated, and where evil prevails. And the way you communicate with God is to 'receive' Him. Nothing else is necessary, since you asked. N.B. You may enjoy showering me with your spiritual degradation and confusion, but I don't. Try talking to somebody else. You can have the last word. And it will be the last between us. I don't enjoy your entheta disguised as 'spirit'.

 

[Pip]

You can't imagine how refreshing the above post of yours is, after going round and round with Pip. I'm giving him the heave ho. I wish he'd find somebody else to dump his madness on. But I guess it's my own fault. I asked for it. The guy is impervious. Even christian lectures and coaxing by J. Swift don't phase him.

You don't have to beat yourself up for replying to my posts, I have enjoyed our exchanges, so thanks and au re voir.

 

[Pip]

I think the word is faze...

but in any event, I would guess that Pip wants to be converted as much as you or I or anyone else here would.

Just a word to the wise...

Believe me I am wide open to conversion, but I just don't see any advantage in being ARC broken with either Scientology or the cofs. If I saw any milage in attack I would be 'putting the boot in' with the best of the rest.

 

[Pip]

Hey Pip, I have to say, reading your posts explaining christianity with $cio terms and the reverse with scripture quotations has been somewhat entertaining, but only momentarily. And yet, such an endeavor reminds me of a star trek scene, one used to create as much confusion as possible with a completely fabricated card game called 'Fizbin'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0SsR2y6Tgo

Sorry Pip but I'm not buying into your 'Fizbin'.

Hi there! Thanks for the clip. Are you sure you got the right fizbin. I Googles it and found several different ones. Perhaps my fizbin is comprehensible with love and understanding.

 

[Pip]

Well then goto "source", here is L Ron Hubbard:

http://www.lermanet.com/audio/hubbard-on-christians-and-moslems.wma
Hubbard saying: ""The only difference between moslems and christians is how they go to the bathroom" (Laughing) "

and

http://www.lermanet.com/cos/nochrist.wav
Hubbard saying.. "The man on the cross, there was no christ, the man on the cross is shown as everyman"


Perhaps the thread title should changed to "Im using that old osa shore story yet again.."

Thanks for your post. I checked out your links, you are obviously very passionate. Is that you in your Avitar? if so, it is a very engaging photograph.

If I wanted a "shore story" I would have said I was into love and understanding. Believe me it takes a lot of confront to call yourself a ChristianScientologist.

From my perspective I am the only ex-Scientologist on this board. All the folk I have encountered so far except for SweetnessandLight, and Bridge-it are ARC broken Scientologist.

Once a Scientologist always a Scientologist - the only way to be an ex-Scientologist is to become a 'born again' believer and then heal the ARC break through forgiveness. Then one can honestly say I am an ex-Scientologist, and can finally be free.

P.S. Sorry if I have not done your post justice, but my wife is hasseling me to get off the computer and do something "constructive" her word, not mine, but since I rely on her for her typing skills, I have to keep her sweet!

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I dislike the idea that Pip or anyone else who doesn't have a certain viewpoint or has certain other opinions should not be able to post where he (they) choose(s).

For people who get upset about cult censorship, this surely seems...inconsistent.

 

[Bridge-it]

Hey Pip, I have to say, reading your posts explaining christianity with $cio terms and the reverse with scripture quotations has been somewhat entertaining, but only momentarily. And yet, such an endeavor reminds me of a star trek scene, one used to create as much confusion as possible with a completely fabricated card game called 'Fizbin'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0SsR2y6Tgo

Sorry Pip but I'm not buying into your 'Fizbin'.

Don't confuse Pip with a trekkie. I think that he is more suited to being called a Techie!

 

[apocalyptic]

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[Free Being Me]

Hi there! Thanks for the clip. Are you sure you got the right fizbin. I Googles it and found several different ones. Perhaps my fizbin is comprehensible with love and understanding.

Using $cio doesn't create love and understanding, quite the opposite actually. Witness the countless threads here free for the reading. L Con didn't make up $cio for anyone's benefit except his own. Why perpetuate a con mans 3 card monte? Read your bible all you like, I don't care but advocating $cio for personal consumption as beneficial is misleading to say the least. I've done the ole Scio route, it's not made for love and understanding, it's a cult to control your life and keep you receptive to a never ending slew of broken promises you can't see through. I'm not saying love and understanding are bad qualities but you wont find them in $cio nor make $cio palatable after the fact, weighing in all it's lies and abuses.

I wish you a happy, long life and I hope you know L Con despised any religious practice except the $cio monster he so callously passed off to the public as 'mans only hope for survival'.

 

[Free Being Me]

Thanks for your post. I checked out your links, you are obviously very passionate. Is that you in your Avitar? if so, it is a very engaging photograph.

If I wanted a "shore story" I would have said I was into love and understanding. Believe me it takes a lot of confront to call yourself a ChristianScientologist.

From my perspective I am the only ex-Scientologist on this board. All the folk I have encountered so far except for SweetnessandLight, and Bridge-it are ARC broken Scientologist.

Once a Scientologist always a Scientologist - the only way to be an ex-Scientologist is to become a 'born again' believer and then heal the ARC break through forgiveness. Then one can honestly say I am an ex-Scientologist, and can finally be free.

P.S. Sorry if I have not done your post justice, but my wife is hasseling me to get off the computer and do something "constructive" her word, not mine, but since I rely on her for her typing skills, I have to keep her sweet!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis

Psychosis (from the Greek ψυχή "psyche", for mind/soul, and -ωσις "-osis", for abnormal condition) means abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are described as psychotic. Psychosis is given to the more severe forms of psychiatric disorder, during which hallucinations and delusions and impaired insight may occur.[1] Some professionals say that the term psychosis is not sufficient as some illnesses grouped under the term "psychosis" have nothing in common (Gelder, Mayou & Geddes 2005).

People experiencing psychosis may report hallucinations or delusional beliefs, and may exhibit personality changes and thought disorder. Depending on its severity, this may be accompanied by unusual or bizarre behavior, as well as difficulty with social interaction and impairment in carrying out the daily life activities.

A wide variety of central nervous system diseases, from both external poisons and internal physiologic illness, can produce symptoms of psychosis.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

IMO, one can use a religion or theology any way one likes. Pip has already admitted to making it his own and going in his own direction with it.

One can take something destructive and turn it to constructive use or vice versa.

Sometimes swords are beat into ploughshares.

 

[Pip]

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Your post got me thinking and just as I was about to answer you, I find your post deleted. I thought you were making a good point, and I started wondering just what is an ex-Scientologist.

Then I saw Emma had posted that very theme some time ago. What I would be interested to know is - what is the difference between an ARC broken Scientologist, and an ex-Scientologist.

 

[Pip]

Using $cio doesn't create love and understanding, quite the opposite actually. Witness the countless threads here free for the reading. L Con didn't make up $cio for anyone's benefit except his own. Why perpetuate a con mans 3 card monte? Read your bible all you like, I don't care but advocating $cio for personal consumption as beneficial is misleading to say the least. I've done the ole Scio route, it's not made for love and understanding, it's a cult to control your life and keep you receptive to a never ending slew of broken promises you can't see through. I'm not saying love and understanding are bad qualities but you wont find them in $cio nor make $cio palatable after the fact, weighing in all it's lies and abuses.

I wish you a happy, long life and I hope you know L Con despised any religious practice except the $cio monster he so callously passed off to the public as 'mans only hope for survival'.

I can only speak for myself. I got a great deal out of Scientology, and I would still be a member of the church if they had not expelled me.

As with all guru figures they have feet of clay and LRH was no exception. One of the most useful things I got from Scientology was the ability to differentiate between useful and useless information. In the 'wog' world it is so often that if a thing is loved it appears to have no flaws and if a thing is hated it has no redeeming features. As a Scientologist I can separate the 'wheat from the chaff', and as a Christian I can keep on going when the odds appear to be against me.

Thanks for wishing me a happy and long life, only I am 70 on the 24th August, so I will have had my 'three score years and ten'. From here on it will be by God's grace. Incidentally I am not religious because I believe that all religions except one are man-made, so I concur with LRH that Scientology is the "religion of religions" and feel I can quite understand if Ron said, which he is purported to have, 'if you want to make a fortune start a religion'.

 

[Pip]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis

Psychosis (from the Greek ψυχή "psyche", for mind/soul, and -ωσις "-osis", for abnormal condition) means abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are described as psychotic. Psychosis is given to the more severe forms of psychiatric disorder, during which hallucinations and delusions and impaired insight may occur.[1] Some professionals say that the term psychosis is not sufficient as some illnesses grouped under the term "psychosis" have nothing in common (Gelder, Mayou & Geddes 2005).

People experiencing psychosis may report hallucinations or delusional beliefs, and may exhibit personality changes and thought disorder. Depending on its severity, this may be accompanied by unusual or bizarre behavior, as well as difficulty with social interaction and impairment in carrying out the daily life activities.

A wide variety of central nervous system diseases, from both external poisons and internal physiologic illness, can produce symptoms of psychosis.

Thank you for the explanation of what 'psychosis' is, though I find labeling any mental condition has its own pitfalls.

My favourate definition of 'madness' (you now remind me) is "distructive actions with no logical reason", and that comes from Scientology. I like to think although what I write might not seem logical, at least it is not distructive.

 

[Pip]

IMO, one can use a religion or theology any way one likes. Pip has already admitted to making it his own and going in his own direction with it.

One can take something destructive and turn it to constructive use or vice versa.

Sometimes swords are beat into ploughshares.

Thanks for that, it sort of ties in with my previous post to FreeBeing.

I am personally persuaded that we live in a perfect world, and if it looks less than perfect that is due to our flawed perception.

 

[Pip]

On Friday night there was a documentary on T.V. about the scammers in Nigeria taking in lonely middleaged women and bleeding them of their life's saving, often tens of thousands of pounds.

The concluding observation was that what was most damaging wasn't the fact they had been conned, or the financial loss, but the fact that these ladies had lost the ability to trust.

It reminded me of some folk on this board who feel fleeced, and conned, but much more have lost their ability to trust.

"Lest ye become as a little child no way will ye enter the Kingdom of Heaven".

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Win/Win?

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I can only speak for myself. I got a great deal out of Scientology, and I would still be a member of the church if they had not expelled me.

Well do your A-E then, and you can go back.

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