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Inquiry hears Scientology cash siphoned overseas

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QUOTE:Inquiry hears Scientology cash siphoned overseas

Updated 7 hours 59 minutes ago




A parliamentary inquiry has heard claims the Church of Scientology leaves members to fund local charitable activities out of their own pockets, as it siphons donations to church officials overseas.

The Senate committee was formed after Independent Senator Nick Xenophon raised concerns about Scientology, and proposed changes to tax law that would require religions to pass a public benefit test in order to be exempt from income tax.

The Church of Scientology says the bill is being used as a platform to continue Senator Xenophon's "witch hunt on a recognised religion".

On Monday the inquiry heard from a roundtable of five former Scientologists, who said the organisation charged its members fees of hundreds of millions of dollars, but directed very little of the money to charitable projects.

One of the group, Paul Schofield, told the inquiry he was tasked with receiving money from a program in Nepal when he was the executive director of the church's drug rehabilitation program for Australia, New Zealand and the south Pacific region.

He says the program was sponsored entirely by its executive director, a retired police superintendent.

"I wanted to request that the International Association of Scientologists help this guy out, because he wasn't able to collect money from it. He had something like 65 addicts that he was trying to treat via the Narconon program," Mr Schofield told the committee.

"He was in severe financial distress and I attempted to get the International Association of Scientologists to actually fund this. After all, the International Association of Scientologists was part of Scientology, and Scientology was using this drug rehabilitation in Nepal as an example of their outreach programs.

"I was told there would be no way in the world they would help bail this guy out, he had to handle it himself."

Mr Schofield said the director was basically broke, but was being forced to continue the rehabilitation program at his own expense and pay a tithe to Scientology.

"He was supposed to pay me 10 per cent of his money for management expenses, which I then spent: sent some to Narconon International, I sent some directly to a church body called the Association for Better Living and Education, which is a Sea Org management unit in the church.

"Although he was a charity, there was no money going to be sent to him, unless it was raised by him or people with him, and he's working in one of the poorest countries of the world."

Mr Schofield agreed when committee chair Alan Eggleston asked if his main objection was that the church was siphoning off money.

'Unconstitutional'

In her opening statement to the committee, Scientology spokeswoman Virginia Stewart addressed Mr Schofield's claims.

"Specifically on the topic of Narconon I would like to also mention that in August-September 2009, the International Association of Scientologists gave a grant to Narconon Nepal of over $1 million to purchase and renovate facilities for the group," she said.

"In terms of funding for the social betterment and charitable activities that the church sponsors or supports, it is true that the funds that the church does ask [for], come from its parishioners, to donate to support these organisations and activities, which is what all charitable organisations do. Where else is the money going to come from, if not its members?"

When asked later about drug rehabilitation program funding, Scientology spokesman Michael Gordon said the organisation's books were prepared by accountants and were publicly available.

The spokesman said he would be happy to provide the committee with details of what funds were sent to the head organisation in the United States.

Louise McBride, who appeared as a taxation lawyer for the church, questioned whether the inquiry was unconstitutional, saying it was not appropriate for tax amendment bills to be initiated in the Senate.

She also said the proposed amendment would determine which religions were worthy of tax exemptions and which were not, which she said flew in the face of the constitution's provisions on religion.

Ms McBride referred to a 1983 case when the High Court of Australia ruled Scientology could legally claim to be a religion.

"All the judges say, basically to paraphrase, that when bureaucrats and the government get involved with deciding what is and what isn't religion, and enacting laws that impede on that, it does go to religious freedom," she said.

The Church of Scientology also provided a statement to ABC News Online outlining its charitable programs, which include drug education and prevention, disaster relief, and work to defend human rights and promote the UN's universal declaration of human rights.



Editor's note: This article initially stated that the Church of Scientology did not provide any official comment on Mr Schofield's allegations during the inquiry's hearings. The claims were in fact mentioned in Ms Stewart's opening address to the Senate Economics Committee. The article has been amended to reflect this.
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
What million dollars? Oh, the million dollars donated by Parishioners.
(I'm guessing that the 2009 "Grant" was some considerable time later than the incident Paul referenced in his testimony.)
I wonder if it ever arrived and, if so, how it was spent?
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
When asked later about drug rehabilitation program funding, Scientology spokesman Michael Gordon said the organisation's books were prepared by accountants and were publicly available.

The spokesman said he would be happy to provide the committee with details of what funds were sent to the head organisation in the United States.

I think this represents a bit of a problem for the Church of Scientology in Australia and worldwide.

Two words: forensic accounting.

Forensic accounting is the Universal Solvent for the Church of Scientology.
 

skydog

Patron Meritorious
I think this represents a bit of a problem for the Church of Scientology in Australia and worldwide.

Two words: forensic accounting.

Bing, Bing, Bing, we have a winner.

I have to say I was somewhat disappointed Louise McBride. The questions asked of her, while tough, should have been expected and better responses uttered. She was not prepared for the shit storm and reacted by giving snotty and snide responses to Senator Xenephon. Lawyers get paid the big bucks to know the limits of their arguments and anticipate the tough questions surrounding their claims. Rather than do so, she simply stated that the bill would create "legal issues" that will generate huge fees for her and her firm if the bill is enacted. She may become the darling of David Miscavige with her attempts to belittle Xenephon but should be advised to buy some strong soap to wash away the filth that comes with that association.
 

Mystic

Crusader
I think this represents a bit of a problem for the Church of Scientology in Australia and worldwide.

Two words: forensic accounting.

Forensic accounting is the Universal Solvent for the Church of Scientology.

"Forensic accounting is the Universal Solvent for the Church of Scientology"!!!!!!!

:thumbsup:
 

Carmel

Crusader
Bing, Bing, Bing, we have a winner.

I have to say I was somewhat disappointed Louise McBride. The questions asked of her, while tough, should have been expected and better responses uttered. She was not prepared for the shit storm and reacted by giving snotty and snide responses to Senator Xenephon. Lawyers get paid the big bucks to know the limits of their arguments and anticipate the tough questions surrounding their claims. Rather than do so, she simply stated that the bill would create "legal issues" that will generate huge fees for her and her firm if the bill is enacted. She may become the darling of David Miscavige with her attempts to belittle Xenephon but should be advised to buy some strong soap to wash away the filth that comes with that association.
I still can't understand what the scoop was with her. She's a barrister - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrister

Barristers are generally slick.....

"Many barristers act as specialist mediators and arbitrators, excelling themselves in this form of dispute resolution because of their negotiation and compromise skills."
( http://www.courtappearances.com.au/barristers-chambers-australia.php )

From start to finish, she didn't cut, and as a barrister, that's very odd. They are generally sharp, articulate, never get baffled, and definitely have the gift of the gab.......otherwise they don't get to be barristers.

I couldn't believe that she was so rude. She could have been effective in her argument if she challenged Nick and the Senate with good manners, but instead she was accusative and extremely bad mannered............That didn't do the CofS any favours. This didn't make sense.
 

Lurker5

Gold Meritorious Patron
IMHO

IMHO, she, the scn lawyer, behaved like a US lawyer, LOL.

And I thought the point of the Inquiry is that of finding some kind of public benefit definition of charity for claiming tax exemption status, and is not at all about defining 'religion'. She's playing with smoke and mirrors, like an American lawyer - When all else is lost - baffle them with shit. And keep on throwing it and throwing it. Some of it is gonna stick - :shithitfan: :horse:
:deadhorse: :timebomb:
I think, imho, that scn has overlooked something very very important, and that is that all of you were once them, and you know thy enemy and the under-handed tactics used . . .

God love ya, :kangaroo: - all of you :thumbsup: :D
 

Ulf K. Maier

Patron Meritorious
What if...

I still can't understand what the scoop was with her. She's a barrister - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrister

Barristers are generally slick.....

"Many barristers act as specialist mediators and arbitrators, excelling themselves in this form of dispute resolution because of their negotiation and compromise skills."
( http://www.courtappearances.com.au/barristers-chambers-australia.php )

From start to finish, she didn't cut, and as a barrister, that's very odd. They are generally sharp, articulate, never get baffled, and definitely have the gift of the gab.......otherwise they don't get to be barristers.

I couldn't believe that she was so rude. She could have been effective in her argument if she challenged Nick and the Senate with good manners, but instead she was accusative and extremely bad mannered............That didn't do the CofS any favours. This didn't make sense.

WARNING: Tinfoil hat speculation ahead...

I feel I don't have enough data, but could it be she's a Scientologist despite denials? Nah, she wouldn't lie... we're talking about the most ethical group on the planet here! However, it would explain the added inapplicable arrogance.

Could the Scienos have gone from mere footbulletry to active kamikaze mode? Far too many mistakes are being made in different theatres of action, and it can't all be lack of preparation.

Could the local reps and mouthpieces be screwing up to "downstat" themselves out of the cult? I've seen this done, firsthand. Find or create an opportunity to doubt, then get the hell out.
 

Lurker5

Gold Meritorious Patron
hard to believe

I find it hard to believe she is not a scn-o. But maybe she isn't and that is a tactic that scn uses. I mean, if you are not in it, you are not going to believe the shit being told. And they need a lawyer to fight from a basis of belief - rather than from a lie. But then scn is so arrogant, perhaps the belief is any scn'ist can lie and be believed . . . It is hard to fathom this stuff happens, unless one has see it - lived it - then it is all too real.

PS: Oh yeah, in USA, a defense lawyer NEVER asks the client if they did the deed. That ignorance is bliss. The tactic is to deny deny deny - deflect and confuse - baffle and fanagle - blind and lead - like with joran's new laywer in peru right now. So maybe this lawyer is not a scn-o . . . But it is my belief that a scn-o lawyer would have no problems lying - in court - for scn, that the connection with scn would outweigh the duty/honor to the law/courts/govt. The connection to scn-o means more than the connection to righteousness and justice. THAT is WHAT scn IS.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
I still can't understand what the scoop was with her. She's a barrister - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrister

Barristers are generally slick.....

"Many barristers act as specialist mediators and arbitrators, excelling themselves in this form of dispute resolution because of their negotiation and compromise skills."
( http://www.courtappearances.com.au/barristers-chambers-australia.php )

From start to finish, she didn't cut, and as a barrister, that's very odd. They are generally sharp, articulate, never get baffled, and definitely have the gift of the gab.......otherwise they don't get to be barristers.

I couldn't believe that she was so rude. She could have been effective in her argument if she challenged Nick and the Senate with good manners, but instead she was accusative and extremely bad mannered............That didn't do the CofS any favours. This didn't make sense.

It appeared to me that the group from the Church were not in sync at all. They contradicted each other and even agreed that what they were saying was not true.

Ms. McBride's argument was that the whole hearing was illegitimate because they were imposing a new tax, and the procedure for imposing new taxes was not being followed. She also said that this hearing violated religious freedom laws in Australia. Once it was clearly shown that the rules for this hearing were being followed - and she continued to say the hearing was illegitimate, I believe that she should have been shown to be in contempt of parliament.

The OSA Chick's point was that the result of the Public Benefit test would be destructive not only for the Church of Scientology but all religions in Australia. When it was shown that the Public Benefit Test had nothing to do with religious belief, but to see whether what a group was getting tax exemption for actually resulted in a benefit to the public, she continued to state that this was a threat to religious freedom in Australia - as if she was not listening. She never actually addressed what the hearing was actually about.

The point from the NZ guy was that the result from the Public Benefit Test in New Zealand has done the Church no harm there, thus nullifying the arguments from the OSA Chick and the Barrister. He also, along with the OSA chick, promised them lots of financial documents which have been historically secret in the Church of Scientology.

And the fourth guy did not say anything!

They really were a mess. And it goes to show how they are not in tune with, in communication with, or even understand the society they say they are seeking to improve through the spread of Scientology.

Anyone who watched this could see that Scientology is not competent enough to improve a dog house, let alone a whole society.
 

skydog

Patron Meritorious
IMHO, she, the scn lawyer, behaved like a US lawyer, LOL.

And I thought the point of the Inquiry is that of finding some kind of public benefit definition of charity for claiming tax exemption status, and is not at all about defining 'religion'. She's playing with smoke and mirrors, like an American lawyer - When all else is lost - baffle them with shit. And keep on throwing it and throwing it. Some of it is gonna stick - :shithitfan: :horse:
:deadhorse: :timebomb:
I think, imho, that scn has overlooked something very very important, and that is that all of you were once them, and you know thy enemy and the under-handed tactics used . . .

God love ya, :kangaroo: - all of you :thumbsup: :D

My impression is that she was paid by the church for her opinion. Her opinion was based on information that was presented to her by the church and she looked no further-especially at the economic aspects of the organization. Scientology is a multi national organization and their presentation demonstrated that the right hand clearly is unaware of what the left hand is doing as the three shrills all contradicted each other. Ms. McBride claims she is not a scientologist. If true, she will soon find that her ethical obligations as a barrister will not allow her to proceed in the manner her client the church demands. At that point she will either act in an ethical and responsible manner or bathe in the scum pond like Yingling and Moxon.

What is the difference between a lawyer and a catfish?:confused2:

One is a scum sucking bottom dweller and the other is a fish.
 

Mystic

Crusader
It appeared to me that the group from the Church were not in sync at all. They contradicted each other and even agreed that what they were saying was not true.

Ms. McBride's argument was that the whole hearing was illegitimate because they were imposing a new tax, and the procedure for imposing new taxes was not being followed. She also said that this hearing violated religious freedom laws in Australia. Once it was clearly shown that the rules for this hearing were being followed - and she continued to say the hearing was illegitimate, I believe that she should have been shown to be in contempt of parliament.

The OSA Chick's point was that the result of the Public Benefit test would be destructive not only for the Church of Scientology but all religions in Australia. When it was shown that the Public Benefit Test had nothing to do with religious belief, but to see whether what a group was getting tax exemption for actually resulted in a benefit to the public, she continued to state that this was a threat to religious freedom in Australia - as if she was not listening. She never actually addressed what the hearing was actually about.

The point from the NZ guy was that the result from the Public Benefit Test in New Zealand has done the Church no harm there, thus nullifying the arguments from the OSA Chick and the Barrister. He also, along with the OSA chick, promised them lots of financial documents which have been historically secret in the Church of Scientology.

And the fourth guy did not say anything!

They really were a mess. And it goes to show how they are not in tune with, in communication with, or even understand the society they say they are seeking to improve through the spread of Scientology.

Anyone who watched this could see that Scientology is not competent enough to improve a dog house, let alone a whole society.

Please leave dog houses out of this. They are sacred.
 

greebly

Patron with Honors
And in reference to this:

"Specifically on the topic of Narconon I would like to also mention that in August-September 2009, the International Association of Scientologists gave a grant to Narconon Nepal of over $1 million to purchase and renovate facilities for the group," she said.

Where did this $1million come from?

Who wrote the cheque or made the transfer?

From which domicile did the money come from?

Was it a loan or mortgage which could be construde as direct foriegn investment.

Was SIRT? or does IAS have it's own monetary entity?

Any claim made the CoS needs to be backed with coomplete documentation as this is an inquiry in the same way your documentation follows that ethos.
 
And in reference to this:

"Specifically on the topic of Narconon I would like to also mention that in August-September 2009, the International Association of Scientologists gave a grant to Narconon Nepal of over $1 million to purchase and renovate facilities for the group," she said.

Where did this $1million come from?

Who wrote the cheque or made the transfer?

From which domicile did the money come from?

Was it a loan or mortgage which could be construde as direct foriegn investment.

Was SIRT? or does IAS have it's own monetary entity?

Any claim made the CoS needs to be backed with coomplete documentation as this is an inquiry in the same way your documentation follows that ethos.



An interesting aspect of the roundtable was that both the NZ Charities Commision rep, and his counterparts in Britain (much later in the day) spent some time explaining how much digging they can do into financial affairs etc..when they are made aware that someone getting the tax exemption may be dodgy. I think the NZ Charities Commission will have several people looking into Scientology's tax exempt status right now!
 
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