Just another Trap?

[Voltaire's Child]

Welll...Mr. Nobody, eventually some churchies do listen. But they do tend to be quite opaque at first...

 

[Terril park]

Your post/job at the International Freezone Association is Public Relations and Referrals. That speaks for itself.

Sorry. No cigar. Don't have a post there.

From what I can see, most of the participants in Marty's blog have been out for years, at least physically out of the "Church" of Scientology, if not mentally out of Scientology. I suspect that many of them, and many of their Freezone cousins, and many their CofS cousins, will always be frozen in the mold of "Scientologist."

They and everyone may choose their own path. You are the one using black PR to smear those who decide to follow the philosophy of
scientology. Note that you are " frozen" in this viewpoint.

People usually take a few months or at most a few years to (mentally) "graduate" from Scientology once leaving the organization. There are a few that take decades, but some are frozen in the L. Ron Zone, permanently.

People are free to think as they wish. You are categorising some
pejorativly. A fascist trait, no?

I suppose it's a testimony to the effectiveness of almost 50 years of applying this booklet http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg to his followers, and then his #1 henchman Miscavige doing it after he was gone: Now you can become a FZ or Indie Scientologist, and loosen the slave bracelet so that it no longer chafes. You're not going to remove the bracelet. No, no. Just loosen it a little. Ah, that feels better. Yay!

Further categorising those who think different from you!

As far as people being attracted to Marty's brand of Hubbardism, rather than your FZ brand - look at it: the term Free Zone was popularized by a guy who thought he was receiving telepathic messages from Hubbard (Elron Elray) who was on the Mother-ship in a doll body. http://galac-patra.narod.ru/index.html Even today the promotional video that you post on every one of your promotional posts is from that same flying saucer cult (via an unsuspecting cooperative journalist), Ron's Orgs, so, sure, some people go elsewhere.

Further attacking of those who don't think as you do.

I don't have a brand.

I let people know that if they want scientology they can get it outside COS.

You oppose this idea!

When I was auditing in the 1980s, I never thought of myself as a Scientologist. There was something called the "Independent Field" then, but many of the people there didn't regard themselves as Scientologists. They had moved beyond Scientology. Off to the fringes were the Free Zone people, these were the Captain Bill (Elron Elray) people, who you still promote with your (fellow in the turban) PR video - a video that omits the FZ marching song. A bit misleading don't you think?

What a load of nonsense. Who gives a shit about a marching song except you?

The brit channel 4 program shows TRs, objectives and a session.

You still audit?

In the 1990s, the term Free Zone was modified by some to become Freezone, and there became the Free Zone (Capt. Bill/El Ron) and the new Freezone (Commodore Hubbard only) as two primary groups. There was even an attempt to so-opt groups such as Idenics into the Freezone, making them a kind of new Freezone front group, but that had mixed results.

You sound like the beautiful but mad Virginia McClaughrey!

So, now, the term FZ is being used, and covers both Free Zone (Capt. Bill/Commodore) and Freezone (The Commodore), plus a few hangers on and hangers around.

Another attempt to diminish those who like scientology. Black
PR again from an ex OSA volunteer.

I'd be surprised if Marty (and his Independent Scientology) hasn't motivated a few people to leave Scientology (the organization), but most of the people around Marty left Scientology (the organization) apart from Marty. Marty wasn't the cause. (Even though the PR line is that he was the cause.

I've spent a decade telling the world one can do scientology outside COS.
My comments thus come from a certain knowledge about these matters.
I don't claim any infallibility of my comments. It is what I assume from the extensive data I have. Any PR line re Marty is his, not mine.

Actually yours!

As for you, I'd be surprised if you haven't motivated a few people to leave Scientology, but most people in the FZ left Scientology (the organization) having nothing to do with you.

Please explain the monthly average of new contacts over a decade of at least 20 people.

Why is it you wish to unmock and diminish me?

I suspect that your Commodore-applauding FZ beliefs (not displayed so much on ESMB: wrong 'public'), and OT 3-"validating" Success Stories have motivated many still-in Internet lurkers to stay in the organization. After all, if Ron really did discover and solve the super-galactic engram (for the first time in the history of the universe), then maybe staying with the organization that has those 15 or more levels above OT 7 (OT 22) locked away in a safe somewhere might be the best way to go.

This again is black PR from an ex GO or OSA volunteer. You can take the
idiot from these organisations, but it seems you can't take the methods.

I don't applaud any Commodore. I don't condider ESMB " wrong public"
and have freely commented on many matters. I do not appreciate some asshole atributing his own delusions upon myself!

So it's a mixed bag.

In any event, people leaving Scientology is certainly not new, and giving them an alternate Scientology to go to, where the slave bracelets are loosened somewhat (though preferable), is coming close to not leaving at all, and, without the Internet, would probably result in these folks stagnating in the frozen zone of Scientology-lite indefinitely. With the Internet, and with the accumulated information and analysis of ex-Scientologists, and others, available on the Internet, their chances of "defrosting" are increased.

This is straight black PR attack on the subject of scientology by one who
once practiced it and worked for its secret police, and accuses me of using PR to manipulate people.

I merely tell people there is an alternative. I do not use loaded language and PR shenanigans as veda does.

[ snip history of those leaving COS]

I too left.

 

[AnonKat]

I pretty much agree with AnonKat here. I want to add that $cn, be it the "Church, the Freezone, the Indies or whatever, pretty much resembles the drug scene as I have seen and experienced it.

The 1st few shots you get for free from your pusher, the next few shots you get for free from your friends (whatever comes 1st). But once you're hooked, you'll pay for the rest for your (then pretty short) life, or until you "get" it and give it up.

Thinking that anything related to Scn would be free for a longer period of time , is pretty much the epitome of naivity.

Jus' my €0.02

You could use the SAME dumb argument for people doing sports or performing on Stage.

You are sliming up the area. People do Yoga and pay for it and get "hooked"

Alsoo you equate Churchies with Indies and Freezoners.

That's unuanced dumb talk.

 

[Nicole]

The Freezone is free from suppression.

Costs are cheaper than a plumber mostly.

I am thinking about other religions e.g. I had a while ago the protestant church as employer. In my Team worked very high qualified persons. Psychologist, educators, social worker etc. They studied very long at Universitys etc.

If persons seeking help they got the help free. They paid nothing. We was financed about the protestant church and the German state.

Imo a confidence that didn't help humans for free, isn't a very good and real confidence.

The Auditor training isn't a approved professional education. If I am going to a psycholgist the education is approved. In Germany pay e.g. the health insurance funds a psychologist. They only pay for therapies that are really helpfull and useful.

In your opinion Auditing is certainly a helpfull and usefull technic to help people, but in the public view it isn't. Better specialist, psycholigist the health insurance funds see it different.

That are now two things that makes me thinking, on the one side a "religion" and the offerings that are made has to (IMO) be free and the Tech isn't authorized.

I am having another question who gets the money? The Auditor, anybody other? Your experiences are from the freezone, or?

What is with the Independents?

Edit: I forget to write that it is good that the Freezone is free from supression

 

[Panda Termint]

When I was a scientologist, I freely gave away thousands of hours of auditing to people in need who were desirous of it.
These people appreciated it and felt that I'd helped them.
They always thanked me for the help and I benefitted greatly from the giving, that was my pay.
There are probably many others who did the same.
I only state this here in an effort to widen the narrow view that some seem to have of "all scientologists".

 

[Nicole]

I pretty much agree with AnonKat here. I want to add that $cn, be it the "Church, the Freezone, the Indies or whatever, pretty much resembles the drug scene as I have seen and experienced it.

The 1st few shots you get for free from your pusher, the next few shots you get for free from your friends (whatever comes 1st). But once you're hooked, you'll pay for the rest for your (then pretty short) life, or until you "get" it and give it up.

Thinking that anything related to Scn would be free for a longer period of time , is pretty much the epitome of naivity.

Jus' my €0.02

1. Treat others with respect.
You are to respect every other user on the board despite any personal, religious and political difference. The following will not be tolerated:

* Personal insults
* Ad hominems
* Threats or promotion of violence

The most Freezoners are Ex Co$ Scientologist. They left Co$, because of the suppression. They are victims like other persons that left CO$. They still believe in the things Hubbard wrote, but the Freezone is different to CO$. I find it very good to go in a dialog and that I get answers to my questions.

... and sometimes are questions rhetorical and it really interest me, how the Freezone works. I find it exciting.

 

[Nicole]

When I was a scientologist, I freely gave away thousands of hours of auditing to people in need who were desirous of it.
These people appreciated it and felt that I'd helped them.
They always thanked me for the help and I benefitted greatly from the giving, that was my pay.
There are probably many others who did the same.
I only state this here in an effort to widen the narrow view that some seem to have of "all scientologists".

You have a heart of gold.

That is that what I meant. If you think something is good and it help other, why not give away for free.

 

[MrNobody]

You could use the SAME dumb argument for people doing sports or performing on Stage.

You are sliming up the area. People do Yoga and pay for it and get "hooked"

Alsoo you equate Churchies with Indies and Freezoners.

That's unuanced dumb talk.

Well, my comment was off the rails, I apologize for that. It was inspired by the saying "FZ is the methadone for $cientology". It was unfair and inappropriate, because FZers can leave whenever they want to.

I didn't get the "performing on Stage" part in your comment. Care to explain?

1. Treat others with respect.
You are to respect every other user on the board despite any personal, religious and political difference. The following will not be tolerated:

* Personal insults
* Ad hominems
* Threats or promotion of violence

Ooh, You took my comment personal? It wasn't meant that way, it was a general statement. But well, if the shoe fits...

The most Freezoners are Ex Co$ Scientologist. They left Co$, because of the suppression. They are victims like other persons that left CO$. They still believe in the things Hubbard wrote, but the Freezone is different to CO$. I find it very good to go in a dialog and that I get answers to my questions.

... and sometimes are questions rhetorical and it really interest me, how the Freezone works. I find it exciting.

I think FZ is bad, but not as bad as $cn. See my methadone comment. However, if your question was a rethoric one, I'll leave it at that.

 

[Nicole]

Ooh, You took my comment personal? It wasn't meant that way, it was a general statement. But well, if the shoe fits...

I didn't take your post personal, I found the way you talked about the freezoners not O.K.

 

[Veda]

Do you have any statistics on who on Marty's Blog is 'newly out'? Or is this just the preferred PR story?

Zinj

I don't have a preferred PR story.

Almost all on Marty's blog have not responded to my
decade of promotion of the FZ.

A few long time FZers are posting there.

Even me occasionally.

So.

What?

Your post/job at the International Freezone Association is Public Relations and Referrals. That speaks for itself.

From what I can see, most of the participants in Marty's blog have been out for years, at least physically out of the "Church" of Scientology, if not mentally out of Scientology. I suspect that many of them, and many of their Freezone cousins, and many their CofS cousins, will always be frozen in the mold of "Scientologist."

People usually take a few months or at most a few years to (mentally) "graduate" from Scientology once leaving the organization. There are a few that take decades, but some are frozen in the L. Ron Zone, permanently.

I suppose it's a testimony to the effectiveness of almost 50 years of applying this booklet http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg to his followers, and then his #1 henchman Miscavige doing it after he was gone: Now you can become a FZ or Indie Scientologist, and loosen the slave bracelet so that it no longer chafes. You're not going to remove the bracelet. No, no. Just loosen it a little. Ah, that feels better. Yay!

As far as people being attracted to Marty's brand of Hubbardism, rather than your FZ brand - look at it: the term Free Zone was popularized by a guy who thought he was receiving telepathic messages from Hubbard (Elron Elray) who was on the Mother-ship in a doll body. http://galac-patra.narod.ru/index.html Even today the promotional video that you post on every one of your promotional posts is from that same flying saucer cult (via an unsuspecting cooperative journalist), Ron's Orgs, so, sure, some people go elsewhere.

When I was auditing in the 1980s, I never thought of myself as a Scientologist. There was something called the "Independent Field" then, but many of the people there didn't regard themselves as Scientologists. They had moved beyond Scientology. Off to the fringes were the Free Zone people, these were the Captain Bill (Elron Elray) people, who you still promote with your (fellow in the turban) PR video - a video that omits the FZ marching song. A bit misleading don't you think?

In the 1990s, the term Free Zone was modified by some to become Freezone, and there became the Free Zone (Capt. Bill/El Ron) and the new Freezone (Commodore Hubbard only) as two primary groups. There was even an attempt to so-opt groups such as Idenics into the Freezone, making them a kind of new Freezone front group, but that had mixed results.

So, now, the term FZ is being used, and covers both Free Zone (Capt. Bill/Commodore) and Freezone (The Commodore), plus a few hangers on and hangers around.

I'd be surprised if Marty (and his Independent Scientology) hasn't motivated a few people to leave Scientology (the organization), but most of the people around Marty left Scientology (the organization) apart from Marty. Marty wasn't the cause. (Even though the PR line is that he was the cause.

As for you, I'd be surprised if you haven't motivated a few people to leave Scientology, but most people in the FZ left Scientology (the organization) having nothing to do with you. I suspect that your Commodore-applauding FZ beliefs (not displayed so much on ESMB: wrong 'public'), and OT 3-"validating" Success Stories have motivated many still-in Internet lurkers to stay in the organization. After all, if Ron really did discover and solve the super-galactic engram (for the first time in the history of the universe), then maybe staying with the organization that has those 15 or more levels above OT 7 (OT 22) locked away in a safe somewhere might be the best way to go.

So it's a mixed bag.

In any event, people leaving Scientology is certainly not new, and giving them an alternate Scientology to go to, where the slave bracelets are loosened somewhat (though preferable), is coming close to not leaving at all, and, without the Internet, would probably result in these folks stagnating in the frozen zone of Scientology-lite indefinitely. With the Internet, and with the accumulated information and analysis of ex-Scientologists, and others, available on the Internet, their chances of "defrosting" are increased.

People have been leaving the CofS since 1954 when Scientology was incorporated as a Church. Before that, people left Dianetics, some of the better remembered being J.A. Winter (who wrote the Introduction for 'DMSMH'), and John Campbell (who published the first article on Dianetics in his 'Astounding Science Fiction' magazine).

Then came the transition to Scientology, after Hubbard lost the rights to the name 'Dianetics', and decided to drive former business partner, supporter and benefactor, Don Purcell, bonkers by concocting - pretty much overnight - "Whole Track Maps," and then the book 'History of Man' ("This is a cold blooded and factual account of your last 60 trillion years.")

Richard DeMille, who wrote some pieces now attributed to Hubbard, left around 1953. There were many others.

In 1959, L. Ron Hubbard Jr. left.

Lots of people left in the early 1960s with the era of 'Sec Checking', deciding that any group that insists that its members undergo metered interrogation, with such questions as "Are you a pervert" or "Have you ever had any critical thoughts about LRH?" was not for them.

By 1965, Hubbard wrote 'Keeping Scientology Working', invented the SP Doctrine and SP Declares, Disconnection, the Fair Game Law, and the now confidential, "deadly serious," and vital to your survival, history of the universe&your mind, and starting calling himself 'Source', and many more people left. Amongst them was the first person to have be a 'Doctor of Scientology' (the Class 12 of that day), Jack Horner.

In 1967 came the Sea Org and Xenu, and more left.

By the late 1960s and early 1970s, the Commodore and his ashtray-carrying 13 year old girl servants were a law unto themselves on the 'Flagship', the "safest and sanest place in the universe," and more left.

John McMaster, 'The World's First Real Clear' and the 'Pope' of Scientology, left.

Writer William Burroughs came along, was involved briefly, did the Clearing Course then, upon completion, when asked if he wished to sign up for OT2, said, "No thanks," and left.

Many others left.

Then came the RPF and the RPF'ss RPF, and more left.

By early 1977, Hubbard had written his "LSD, Years after they had Come of off' HCOB, in which he described people who had ever taken LSD as "zombies," and soon after told them that they were required to wear rubber suits and run around for hours, and more left.

Then, in July 1977 came the FBI raids, and two years later came the court-ordered release of thousands of pages of previously secret Scientology documents, including Hubbard's paranoid ramblings, and his super-secret spying and covert attack tech, and even more left.

Then Hubbard decided that almost everyone was "Clear" and needed to exit Missions (which he was in the early stage of looting), and go "up lines" and spend their money there, and more people left.

This was followed, a few years later, by Hubbard responding to the first Mission Holders Meeting by sending his #1 henchman, David Miscavige, to "handle" the 2nd Mission Holders meeting, and more left.

Then, roughly around that time, came the partial unearthing of Hubbard's past by way of the "Shannon documents," obtained through the Freedom of Information act, and more left.

By July 1984, there was Gerry Armstrong vs. Church of Scientology, and the further unearthing of Hubbard's past, and even more left.

Then came books like, 'Messiah or Madman?' and 'Barefaced Messiah', and many more left.

Then came the Internet.

Well, you get the idea.

P.S. To illustrate that this is not a statement that is asserting that it's "all bad," since Scientology has a disguise-layer and disguise-aspects that contain "positives," here's a link to a post with a bunch of info: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=465317&postcount=55

Forgive my laziness here. I don't have the patience to disassemble the below post and respond to each point, so I'm going to take the easy way out and simply write in the response in the body of the post itself, but in color.

Sorry. No cigar. Don't have a post there.

Here's the IFA Org Board. Last year, when it was noted on this MB that you were their Public Relations and Referrals person, your name disappeared.

http://internationalfreezone.net/OrgBoard.shtml

Then, I wrote that most of those posting on Marty's Blog have been out for years. And that's correct. You responded with accusations of "black PR" and "fascist," yadda yadda, etc. (applying Scientology [confidential] public-opinion-handling tech).

They and everyone may choose their own path. You are the one using black PR to smear those who decide to follow the philosophy of
scientology. Note that you are " frozen" in this viewpoint.



People are free to think as they wish. You are categorising some
pejorativly. A fascist trait, no?



Further categorising those who think different from you!



Further attacking of those who don't think as you do.

It's not "attacking"; it's having a different point of view, and disagreeing with the "Scientology Philosophy."

I don't have a brand.

I let people know that if they want scientology they can get it outside COS.

You oppose this idea!

Not true.

What a load of nonsense. Who gives a shit about a marching song except you?

Who? The "OTs" of Ron's Orgs, that's who. Hey, they put it on their website. You forget that I knew senior 'RO' people. Please don't try to B.S. me on this.

The brit channel 4 program shows TRs, objectives and a session.

It a typically misleading and incomplete piece of Scientology Intro Promo, using an affable unsuspecting person.

You still audit?

Occasionally. But I don't promote, peddle or sell Bridges to those still under the influence of the deceptive and manipulative subject of Scientology. However, I support the freedom of others to do that.



You sound like the beautiful but mad Virginia McClaughrey!

Now, you're babbling.

Another attempt to diminish those who like scientology. Black
PR again from an ex OSA volunteer.

Again with the reference to Black PR. Black PR is part of Scientology PR tech. You're the Scientologist, not me.

I've spent a decade telling the world one can do scientology outside COS.
My comments thus come from a certain knowledge about these matters.
I don't claim any infallibility of my comments. It is what I assume from the extensive data I have. Any PR line re Marty is his, not mine.

Actually yours!

Yadda yadda (Excuse me, I'm becoming bored with this.)

Please explain the monthly average of new contacts over a decade of at least 20 people.

Why is it you wish to unmock and diminish me?

What I wrote is accurate. I'll ignore the whining.

This again is black PR from an ex GO or OSA volunteer. You can take the
idiot from these organisations, but it seems you can't take the methods.

Not true, but I think you know that.

I don't applaud any Commodore. I don't condider ESMB " wrong public"
and have freely commented on many matters. I do not appreciate some asshole atributing his own delusions upon myself!

Yadda yadda.

This is straight black PR attack on the subject of scientology by one who
once practiced it and worked for its secret police, and accuses me of using PR to manipulate people.

I merely tell people there is an alternative. I do not use loaded language and PR shenanigans as veda does.

[ snip history of those leaving COS]

More yadda yadda.

I too left.

Only physically, and that's you're private business. However, what you write on a MB is public and can be responded to.

 

[AnonKat]

Clarification

Well, my comment was off the rails, I apologize for that. It was inspired by the saying "FZ is the methadone for $cientology". It was unfair and inappropriate, because FZers can leave whenever they want to.

That article is inspiring and well written. Metaphores are usefull. You don't have to apoligize It is just that I do not see Freezoners doing harm in practicing what they belief freely and fortunitly do not follow all of Hubbards teachings

I didn't get the "performing on Stage" part in your comment. Care to explain?

Emdorphines rush through an Artists body when on stage.

.

 

[Veda]

No one exists who (consciously) follows ALL of Hubbard's teaching, except perhaps David Miscavige (and look at the result), as he's the only person, or one of the few people, to have seen ALL of Hubbard's teachings - teachings which are secretive, compartmentalized, jumbled, at times incoherent.

IMO, most Scientologists are influenced by ALL of Hubbard's teachings, but have no idea what these are: It's their new Scientological "reactive mind," that replaces, or is added to, their old "humanoid reactive mind."

Anyone who thinks the "dark side" of Scientology has not crept into, and has not found a new home in, "outside the CofS" Scientology is fooling himself.

 

[Nicole]

Just one thought

Allways if the speech comes on Scientology it ends there

If you leave Scientology you get the Tech cheaper etc.

The tech is less evil than there. The tech is better than there. They don't use everything from Hubbard. It is like a Scientology - Supermarket. I take that what I need.

The freezone might be a way to leave CO$. But at the moment it seems to be about money too. About the Independents I don't write, because I think they are no alternative to CO$.

In my opinion $cientology does nowhere allow humanity.

Like Panda wrote, only single Scientologist use the tech for free to "help".

 

[AnonKat]

No one exists who follows ALL of Hubbard's teaching, except perhaps David Miscavige (and look at the result), as he's the only person, or one of the few people, to have seen ALL of Hubbard's teachings - teachings which are secretive, compartmentalized, jumbled, at times incoherent.

IMO, most Scientologists are influenced by ALL of Hubbard's teachings, but have no idea what these are: It's their new Scientological "reactive mind," that replaces, or is added to, their old "humanoid reactive mind."

Anyone who thinks the "dark side" of Scientology has not crept into, and has not found a new home in, "outside the CofS" Scientology is fooling himself.

David Miscavige does not No one can as it was all build on the case of one man.

Reactive mind is an intresting concept in itself but the term humanoid reactive mind does not exist unless you coin the term now for yourself.

Everybody gets influenced. I think Christians believe in Cookoo things too

It is a free persons responsibility how to act on it. There are so many things that have a dark side. But it still does not make you judge and executioner about what bpeople can believe in or what people can read.

 

[Veda]

Substitute "unconscious mind" for "reactive mind" if you prefer.

Then buy some clay, and do a "clay demo" of Mind F__k.

Scientology is a supposed path to enlightenment that includes covert mind f__k.

It has a "Grade Chart": a "closely taped path."

If those things are absent, then it's another subject.

 

[AnonKat]

Substitute "unconscious mind" for "reactive mind" if you prefer.

Then buy some clay, and do a "clay demo" of Mind F__k.

Scientology is a supposed path to enlightenment that includes covert mind f__k.

It has a "Grade Chart": a "closely taped path."

If those things are absent, then it's another subject.

They can not be subsituted . The Unconscious mind be it another construct is closer to the physical reality of the brain than the Reactive mind.

But back in the day and until the 1990ties it was often geusswork of how it all worked. Hubbards theory back in the day was as valid as any.

Hubbard says to get rid of the reactive mind. He is actually reprogramming the unconscious mind using NPL and other training methods.

Hubbard was knowledgable in Psycho Analisys, Hypnotism and Psychology.

There is a part of the Unconscious mind that stores Trauma (Engramms) and in strings of proteïne(Mass) And it works with mental Images

I'll say it again the unconscious works with Images and cannot see the difference between reality and fiction. Hubbard made use of that and knew this because Hypnotism as now is recognized is a applied form of Psychology using the Unconscious mind.

 

[Dulloldfart]

what about asking the questions:
1. who wrote scientology?
2. who altered scientology?
3. who uses revised (after 1986) texts?
4. who uses originals?

I would suggest reading this ESMB thread, Standard Tech (Hooray!) and Squirrel Tech (boo hiss).

Things aren't as simple as some promote them to be.

Paul

 

[MrNobody]

Clarification

Emdorphines rush through an Artists body when on stage.

Ah, that's why I didn't get it. :wink2:

When I'm performing on stage, it's usually just a job. I play, and check the audience's reaction. If I don't get a good one, or none at all, I adjust the groove until it "works". Usually there aren't too many endorphines involved. Same seems to be true for the other musicians I work with, as far as I can tell.

 

[AnonKat]

Ah, that's why I didn't get it. :wink2:

When I'm performing on stage, it's usually just a job. I play, and check the audience's reaction. If I don't get a good one, or none at all, I adjust the groove until it "works". Usually there aren't too many endorphines involved. Same seems to be true for the other musicians I work with, as far as I can tell.

Well than I have the wrong information. Its just a Job than. No Magic. No Mystery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q04_ClDxRsk

 

[Nicole]

Ah, that's why I didn't get it. :wink2:

When I'm performing on stage, it's usually just a job. I play, and check the audience's reaction. If I don't get a good one, or none at all, I adjust the groove until it "works". Usually there aren't too many endorphines involved. Same seems to be true for the other musicians I work with, as far as I can tell.

You destroyed my illusions



The more I read in this thread, the more I get confused...:confused2: