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Karen#1

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I recall with affection an old and wonderful man called Marshall Goldblatt, often nicknamed "The Godfather" of the "Church," purely out of his massive donations. Every single day of his life calls from Scientology Inc to give money. He was Mr Gotbucks and the Church went into overdrive to get that money.
Marshall passed away some 3 years ago (although I said 2 years in the video above ~~ my error)
I thought I would do a video in his memory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iclz8H8Gjtk
 

RogerB

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Yes . . .

This example of Marshall's betrayal indeed is another example of how the Scientology enterprise kills it's most ardent supporters.

To be noted is the fact that, betrayals of trust of that magnitude does cave people in, wipe out their future giving them no hope and thus killing their "spirit" and ability to function and align their purposes such that they cannot survive.

It is even a point of various technical items in the kult's own materials . . . first place to start is with what Hubbard wrote as "The Technical Breakthrough of 1973! - - - The Introspection R/D" In here he tells you wrong indications are the cause of psychosis and that they cause the individual to spin in trying to solve an incorrectly designated problem!

To be noted is: what the hell does having "prostate cancer" have to do with not being able to be audited!!??

Hubbard also wrote that to "rekindle a person's failed purposes is to raise the dead" . . . surely any decent and intelligent person must thus know that to kill a person's dreams, aspirations and purpose is to kill the person's spirit, will and ability to survive. I am well aware of individuals, believing in the Scientology dream as promoted is true, have, when unethically and unjustly treated by the organization and denied access to the promised technology "that is the key to their eternal future"; have contemplated (and some concluded) the answer for them is to suicide out of this failed lifetime and "get back into the teck next lifetime."

Individuals such as Marshall and dozens of others Karen and I could name, have placed their trust is what the Scientology organization says, promotes, promises and has you believe about your eternal spiritual future being dependent on your support of the organization and its activities for the "greater good" including you personally. Then the organization routinely betrays that trust placed in it by running wrong indications on you in order to either get what they want from you (money or compliance with their kult domination) or because they go into fear based on their OWN criminal and fraudulent conduct and promises being exposed if perchance the individual's honest condition could in any way cause light to be shined on them.

Indeed, one of my consulting clients revealed to me a whole medical science developed in the name of "New German Medicine" which discoveries reveal that indeed it is SHOCKS such as revealed above in Marshall's case that UNDERLIE AND BRING ABOUT CANCER in folks. To be noted in this respect regarding the individual cellular operations of the human body is the work Dr. (Professor) Bruce Lipton here in the US. These revelations speak directly to the effect betrayal induced shocks and the negative psychic states they induce have on our cellular capacity to operate and survive in a healthy manner.

In this context, one should realize what a danger the Scientology enterprise is to all who get conned into its belief system and destructive practices.

And Scientology staff should realize that their current conduct in these matters is only creating for themselves PERSONALLY and for the organization they act on behalf of, monster future problems as these acts come back to hit them.

If you think there is no greater vengeance than a spurned woman . . . wait till you experience the vengeance of the spurned "thetans" you are surrounding yourselves with!!:duh: . . . or more exactly, wait till you are aware enough and smart enough to perceive it.
 

Leland

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Yes . . .

This example of Marshall's betrayal indeed is another example of how the Scientology enterprise kills it's most ardent supporters.

To be noted is the fact that, betrayals of trust of that magnitude does cave people in, wipe out their future giving them no hope and thus killing their "spirit" and ability to function and align their purposes such that they cannot survive.

It is even a point of various technical items in the kult's own materials . . . first place to start is with what Hubbard wrote as "The Technical Breakthrough of 1973! - - - The Introspection R/D" In here he tells you wrong indications are the cause of psychosis and that they cause the individual to spin in trying to solve an incorrectly designated problem!

To be noted is: what the hell does having "prostate cancer" have to do with not being able to be audited!!??

Hubbard also wrote that to "rekindle a person's failed purposes is to raise the dead" . . . surely any decent and intelligent person must thus know that to kill a person's dreams, aspirations and purpose is to kill the person's spirit, will and ability to survive. I am well aware of individuals, believing in the Scientology dream as promoted is true, have, when unethically and unjustly treated by the organization and denied access to the promised technology "that is the key to their eternal future"; have contemplated (and some concluded) the answer for them is to suicide out of this failed lifetime and "get back into the teck next lifetime."

Individuals such as Marshall and dozens of others Karen and I could name, have placed their trust is what the Scientology organization says, promotes, promises and has you believe about your eternal spiritual future being dependent on your support of the organization and its activities for the "greater good" including you personally. Then the organization routinely betrays that trust placed in it by running wrong indications on you in order to either get what they want from you (money or compliance with their kult domination) or because they go into fear based on their OWN criminal and fraudulent conduct and promises being exposed if perchance the individual's honest condition could in any way cause light to be shined on them.

Indeed, one of my consulting clients revealed to me a whole medical science developed in the name of "New German Medicine" which discoveries reveal that indeed it is SHOCKS such as revealed above in Marshall's case that UNDERLIE AND BRING ABOUT CANCER in folks. To be noted in this respect regarding the individual cellular operations of the human body is the work Dr. (Professor) Bruce Lipton here in the US. These revelations speak directly to the effect betrayal induced shocks and the negative psychic states they induce have on our cellular capacity to operate and survive in a healthy manner.

In this context, one should realize what a danger the Scientology enterprise is to all who get conned into its belief system and destructive practices.

And Scientology staff should realize that their current conduct in these matters is only creating for themselves PERSONALLY and for the organization they act on behalf of, monster future problems as these acts come back to hit them.

If you think there is no greater vengeance than a spurned woman . . . wait till you experience the vengeance of the spurned "thetans" you are surrounding yourselves with!!:duh: . . . or more exactly, wait till you are aware enough and smart enough to perceive it.



RodgerB.....i am confused as to your last statement.....and the emoticon .

Are you making fun of Scientology OT levels...? And Thetans? Ant BT? Or whatever you want to call them.....

Are you just talking about perceiving the EX-scientology community....? And their anger?

OR are you saying that with enough awareness......one can see them?

If the later.....at what point of your Scientology processing....did you get to the point of being able to see them yourself? I am just curious

After I left scientology......it really screwed me up. Of course most here would say ( and I have said myself) that it screwed me up the moment I first walked in the door of an ORg.

But seriously......are you making statements based upon, this awareness of "seeing thetans" or are you joking.

I would like to get better, myself, and have a hard time here on ESMB sorting out who is posting from a viewpoint of some of the tech works....all of it is bad.....some got awarness.....some did not.... some are practising parts of Scien in free zone style....some are not.....and on and on....

It is very confusing here to me sometimes.

Am I conversing with someone that had done Clear, Ot 3 OT 5 OT 8....or am I talking to a Never In. Am I reading a post from someone that has completely left the Tech.....or someone that still "Audits" everyday. In all truthfullness.....IMO these should be known factors....so one can get a grip upon where the poster is coming from.

And your post above is confusing to me....as to "where you are coming from"

Did you do OT 5 or above? (in any form)
 
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RogerB

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Leland,

Thank for the good and honest response.

My history in Scn is all over ESMB here . . . but to answer the question: I got in in 1957 and lived the development of the "tech" as it came out till I got sabotaged and kicked out ( see my thread: Lies and Deceit of the Cof$ . . . my op for Diana
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?11823-The-Lies-and-Deceit-of-the-Church-of-Scientology

I went all through the Levels and 12 years on S/NOTs.

What I spoke of above as pissed of "thetans" . . . is not in the context of "BTs" but in the context of the likes of you and me . . . Hubbard and staff "know we are Thetans" . . . immortal spiritual Beings who have a next lifetime.

I am putting to the staff that they are pissing of people . . . the likes of us on ESMB . . . who are coming back to haunt them. Just look at what we posters here are doing!

What I wrote of is the fact that, as I have read here on ESMB and as I have personally witnessed as stated/expressed by folks I know and who were betrayed by the Cof$ but yet still believers . . . they looked at getting back in next lifetime.

Well, my view on that is that is a time bomb for the kult because they will inherit a bitter "returnee." Apart from those who want back in . . . there are those who correctly view the kult as evil and destructive as a result of their honest experience with it, and these folks are wanting that shit FIXED!!! That's why they and we are acting to expose and bring the bastards down.

To be recognized is the point that the Cof$ are masters in making good and decent people turn against it.

On the comment regarding the Cof$ staff awareness . . . they are not yet aware of what they are producing for themselves as they are deluded by the indoctrination from which they are operating . . . when they become aware of the truth of the results of their actions, it's going to be one of those "severe reality adjustments" they are so fond of ramming down the throats of their paying customers!!!

As to learning where each of us is coming from . . . what I've done when first here was to look at the guy's profile and see what threads/subjects posts the person has created. It's all there.

R
 

Leland

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Leland,

Thank for the good and honest response.

My history in Scn is all over ESMB here . . . but to answer the question: I got in in 1957 and lived the development of the "tech" as it came out till I got sabotaged and kicked out ( see my thread: Lies and Deceit of the Cof$ . . . my op for Diana
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?11823-The-Lies-and-Deceit-of-the-Church-of-Scientology

I went all through the Levels and 12 years on S/NOTs.

What I spoke of above as pissed of "thetans" . . . is not in the context of "BTs" but in the context of the likes of you and me . . . Hubbard and staff "know we are Thetans" . . . immortal spiritual Beings who have a next lifetime.

I am putting to the staff that they are pissing of people . . . the likes of us on ESMB . . . who are coming back to haunt them. Just look at what we posters here are doing!

What I wrote of is the fact that, as I have read here on ESMB and as I have personally witnessed as stated/expressed by folks I know and who were betrayed by the Cof$ but yet still believers . . . they looked at getting back in next lifetime.

Well, my view on that is that is a time bomb for the kult because they will inherit a bitter "returnee." Apart from those who want back in . . . there are those who correctly view the kult as evil and destructive as a result of their honest experience with it, and these folks are wanting that shit FIXED!!! That's why they and we are acting to expose and bring the bastards down.

To be recognized is the point that the Cof$ are masters in making good and decent people turn against it.

On the comment regarding the Cof$ staff awareness . . . they are not yet aware of what they are producing for themselves as they are deluded by the indoctrination from which they are operating . . . when they become aware of the truth of the results of their actions, it's going to be one of those "severe reality adjustments" they are so fond of ramming down the throats of their paying customers!!!

As to learning where each of us is coming from . . . what I've done when first here was to look at the guy's profile and see what threads/subjects posts the person has created. It's all there.

R

Thanks RodgerB for your candid reply.

There are a thousand or so ESMB members....I am unwilling to search for and read each one's introduction thread.....just can't do it. Let alone remember afterwards.....

It is a constant source of irritation for me to try to figure out where some posters are coming from. IMO there should be some sort of indication on ESMB as to each person's "affiliation" so to speak.

I too was attacked by Scientology.....and HAD to leave.

If I had not been attacked....I would probably still be in.

But that is not to say, that now out and "bothering" to do some research and read up on all the lies...my mind has not been changed for the better, regarding the cult.

But I would like to point out, that I was attacked "spiritually".....by others still in the Cult...."spiritually." And that I had to fight back...(besides leaving the cult) "spiritually."

So that to me is lends some credence to "spiritual beings" having woken up.......to some degree....IMO....that this could happen.

It is very bad news IMO, that any spiritual gains gotten from scientology.....would be used in this fashion.

I believe the entire C of $ must be brought down for this reason.....amongst other reasons.
 

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I recall with affection an old and wonderful man called Marshall Goldblatt, often nicknamed "The Godfather" of the "Church," purely out of his massive donations. Every single day of his life calls from Scientology Inc to give money. He was Mr Gotbucks and the Church went into overdrive to get that money.
Marshall passed away some 3 years ago (although I said 2 years in the video above ~~ my error)
I thought I would do a video in his memory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iclz8H8Gjtk



Thanks Karen!

I just saw your terrific video about Marshall on Tony's Blog and sent along this little footnote. . .



Thanks Karen, a really cool video. I think Marshall would really love everything you said and how you said it.

Back in the day, Marshall once told me that he was so inundated with urgent requests for "donations" that he adopted a new system. Once solicited, he would tell the asking party that he would consider donating but he was not going to get into a badgering session (my words) where the amount was being negotiated (again my words). He simply told them that he would agree to "write a check" and "put it in an envelope" without saying how much it was. If they agreed to blindly accepting the amount, whatever sum it was, he would contribute to their cause. Otherwise, he would not discuss it or write any check at all. From his wry smile and cute Marshall giggle, it was obvious that he took some joy in outfoxing the relentless waves of OT street beggars.

For any who didn't personally know Marshall, one might suspect that he was a dupe and "easy mark" but he was one of the shrewdest and street smart investors/entrepreneurs you can imagine. He didn't make those millions by accident or good luck--especially considering the deep water sharks that populate the real estate business. Marshall was full of wit, hilarious irony and good natured sarcasm--a brilliant mind and wonderfully gracious. But, one might wonder, how could all that be true if he was such a hapless mark for the Church of Predator-ologists? Maybe (just speculatin') that being a Scientologist is kinda like being in love. All rational and normal thoughts can be trumped by "love"--even when the object of devotion & affection is killin' ya.

That old song comes to mind..."HOOKED ON A FEELIN". . .

"I'm hooked on a feeling--high on believing". Being in a cult is like that. Maybe we all fell in love with the beautiful IDEA of helping the world become free of pain, suffering, hate and war. We got hooked on a IDEA. It was a wondrously glorious DREAM--too bad it was a cruel hoax.

Sending love out to Marshall in his new real estate--wherever that is in the universe!
 

Karen#1

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What "church" encourages a husband to snitch on wife, and wife on husband?
And, get this, have them pay, $$$$$ high $$$$ for every hour of questioning and confessing such questions tailor made based on the report ?.
Scientology Inc has always been the 3rd party in the bedroom and the intervening party between husband and wife.
But the culture of husband and wife snitching on each other is one of the most abhorrent policies.
The Church is a Church that wants data on everyone for its very organized Intelligence machine
It is all too common for a wife to report the husband for reading the Internet. or even for visiting porn sites.
RESULT : Summoned to an Org for Sec Checks.
There isn't even a pretense that this confessional auditing is for "case gain" or spirituality.
It is pure intelligence gathering. And the sheeple pay !!!!!!!!$$$$$$!!!!!!!!
Pay to be security checked on what site did they visit on the Internet, (internet viewing is forbidden in Scientology Inc
This is all at $800 per hour at Flag and $500+ in a lower org. Incredulous.
Excuse my laughter in the video.
In other words, the sheeple pay for the *privilege* of an inquisition into their private life as reported or snitched on by their own children or spouse.
This is the world of Scientology inc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pb_HTvRMI8
 

Churchill

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What "church" encourages a husband to snitch on wife, and wife on husband?
And, get this, have them pay, $$$$$ high $$$$ for every hour of questioning and confessing such questions tailor made based on the report ?.
Scientology Inc has always been the 3rd party in the bedroom and the intervening party between husband and wife.
But the culture of husband and wife snitching on each other is one of the most abhorrent policies.
The Church is a Church that wants data on everyone for its very organized Intelligence machine
It is all too common for a wife to report the husband for reading the Internet. or even for visiting porn sites.
RESULT : Summoned to an Org for Sec Checks.
There isn't even a pretense that this confessional auditing is for "case gain" or spirituality.
It is pure intelligence gathering. And the sheeple pay !!!!!!!!$$$$$$!!!!!!!!
Pay to be security checked on what site did they visit on the Internet, (internet viewing is forbidden in Scientology Inc
This is all at $800 per hour at Flag and $500+ in a lower org. Incredulous.
Excuse my laughter in the video.
In other words, the sheeple pay for the *privilege* of an inquisition into their private life as reported or snitched on by their own children or spouse.
This is the world of Scientology inc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pb_HTvRMI8

Exactly, Karen! Hubbard understood very well that in order for Scientology to "work," the organizations needed to have all available information.

And the corollary of this is that Scientologists access to information must be closely controlled, and they must not know anything negative, especially if it is the truth.

Imagine someone walking into "the friendliest place on earth" and beginning a serious conversation about Lisa McPherson, or about the multiple allegations and un-rebutted court testimony

that Miscavige has frequently physically beaten senior Scientology executives.

How long would such a conversation be permitted? These are the experts on Freedom and Communication???

It'd be funny, were it not so absurdly tragic.
 
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Karen#1

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Maureen Bolstad, my friend is a survivor,.
I have heard many stories ~~ even horror stories~~ in my journey in Scientology and I consider Maureen's captivity and punishments in the Sea org one of the worst stories ever
In Cine (movie manufacturing) at GOLD, (INT BASE) she had to carry an 18 lb camera on her shoulder 18 hours a day even though she had neck and back injuries for which she was getting no treatment. Sleep deprivation ~~ 4 hours sleep a night.
In her melt down, she was incarcerated as in a *prisoner"
Maureen was held against her will mostly in isolation in the dreaded Old Gilman House property at Int base. (Gold Base) for 3 years forced to do hard manual labor. When She escaped and was hunted down and brought back.
She eventually had a mental breakdown created and caused by the " Church " of Scientology.
She was a "Commodore's Messenger."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkjySUxoH9k
 

Karen#1

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There is no getting away with it when you mess up, the Scientology viewpoint is you had criminal intent. There are no mistakes, no accidents, there were EVIL INTENTIONS to Harm Scientology. The only reason Scientology Inc has not taken over the world, is *Someone* is to blame !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY64IBu4t3M
 

HelluvaHoax!

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There is no getting away with it when you mess up, the Scientology viewpoint is you had criminal intent. There are no mistakes, no accidents, there were EVIL INTENTIONS to Harm Scientology. The only reason Scientology Inc has not taken over the world, is*Someone* is to blame !





Fantastic video!

Ahhhh, clarity!

At least Scientologists know what to do when anything goes wrong, the tech didn't work or someone makes a minor human error that "sabotages" the planet. Cue OT anthem music by Jefferson Error-plane:


SOMEBODY TO BLAME

When the why is found
To be lies
And all the upstats within you
Dies
Don't you want somebody to Blame
Don't you need somebody to Blame
Wouldn't you love somebody to Blame
You better find somebody to Blame



[video=youtube;JUbMWtUyIIE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUbMWtUyIIE[/video]​
 
There is no getting away with it when you mess up, the Scientology viewpoint is you had criminal intent. There are no mistakes, no accidents, there were EVIL INTENTIONS to Harm Scientology. The only reason Scientology Inc has not taken over the world, is *Someone* is to blame !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY64IBu4t3M
Karen, that was a fascinating list of class 12's. I didn't know Claire Repen died on the RPF. For those who don't know, the Klingvals and Otto Roos were declared together - their crime was they were round robin auditing and not writing in their worksheets ( session records) the overts and withholds they were getting off on each other - if the their declares were to be believed. That heinous crime got them declared? Not letting Ron in on their secrets? Bad Otto! Bad Liese! Bad Tommy!

At the time I was told that the Klingvals had gone back to their Scandinavian country and were smoking pot.

Oh, how they love / have to, paint the people black who leave - they even said nasty things about poor little me - oh the shame!:melodramatic:

Round robin auditing was where 3 people co-audit: a audits b, b audits c and c audits a.

Good video Karen!

Mimsey
 

ThetanExterior

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They told me I would be harming Scientology in the UK if I didn't join staff or the Sea Org.

I didn't join so I guess now they'll be blaming me for their decline. Oh dear.:melodramatic:
 

Boojuum

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There is no getting away with it when you mess up, the Scientology viewpoint is you had criminal intent. There are no mistakes, no accidents, there were EVIL INTENTIONS to Harm Scientology. The only reason Scientology Inc has not taken over the world, is *Someone* is to blame !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY64IBu4t3M

Another great video.

When I was in, blaming was the management tool used the most.

Introversion was a key tool of LRH.
If the stats are down, it's your fault.
If you are poor, you pulled it in.
If you get robbed, raped or killed, you made it happen.
If the process didn't work, what do you do that was out tech.
If you didn't benefit from the processing, you're an SP...with lots of overts.

Scientology management is all about domination and keeping the followers following.

When stuck with a Scientology mindset, you NEED to blame followers to keep the house of cards from toppling.
 

Bea Kiddo

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There is no getting away with it when you mess up, the Scientology viewpoint is you had criminal intent. There are no mistakes, no accidents, there were EVIL INTENTIONS to Harm Scientology. The only reason Scientology Inc has not taken over the world, is *Someone* is to blame !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY64IBu4t3M

Wonderful video!

Each evaluation that is done on a situation in an org REQUIRES that it finds a "WHO" for the situation, and a "WHY" and then program out how to fix. You know the WHO is never going to be part of fixing it because they know that person is to blame and will just keep messing up.

It's funny after getting out of Scientology after having been in for such a long time that you can find yourself thinking like this in situations in your life. And it makes it hard to come to terms with the fact that some things just "happen", like being snowed in, like bad weather, like mudslides, etc etc.
 

programmer_guy

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There is no getting away with it when you mess up, the Scientology viewpoint is you had criminal intent. There are no mistakes, no accidents, there were EVIL INTENTIONS to Harm Scientology. The only reason Scientology Inc has not taken over the world, is *Someone* is to blame !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY64IBu4t3M

Again, some differences between SO and Missions.

In the 1970s some in upper mgmt at the Riverside Mission determined that the Comm Course blows were due to out-gradient (didn't blame staff) and so built a pre-Comm Course room that didn't have, for example, the hardcore word clearing. At that time I was thinking "Isn't this out-tech and squirreling?" The Deputy ED claimed that this helped a lot.


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former Deputy ED mentions intro-Comm Course to avoid bull-baiting and M/Us after 7:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye032xYnKZc
 
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Karen#1

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At 1am Los Angeles time 3rd October (less than 7 hours) I will be on a radio show with the BBC discussing Human rights, Religion and ::::ahem:::::ecclesiastical matters. Yesterday's show with TalkRadio Europe and this BBC show will be converted to shows for my YouTube channel in due course and I will post on this thread.
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Karen#1

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Church of Scientology Public Relations lies again.
Lies to the BBC that Hubbard never implemented punishments that were "too Gruesome"
HCO Policy Letter of 5 January 1968, “Overfilled In-Basket, Bad News.” Hubbard said

“MAKE THE PENALTIES FOR NON COMPLIANCE AND FALSE REPORTS TOO GRUESOME TO BE FACED AND ENFORCE THEM.”

In the same issue, Hubbard also said, “It takes far more ethics and far steeper, enforced penalties to make an organization work than Scientologists have been using.”

Please listen to the last few minutes as the Church spouts their lies about un-precedented expansion ! Laughter !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2fzInn8CtY
 

Churchill

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Karen,

The boilerplate denial issued by Scientology stands in stark contrast to the specific facts
which you recounted. Opinion does not rebut facts.

For this reason, I don't expect that they will ever face you in the light of a public forum.
(They tend to scatter when the light is on, as I'm sure you've noticed.)

In spite of all that you have been forced to endure and suffer at their hands
you have engineered your life to truly help and warn others.

Love,

Churchill
 
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