Karen de la Carriere YouTube Channel
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Mimsey Borogrove
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I like OSA's Roll Back leading to Larry Wright and not to their own actions. (giggle) Too true. Mimsey
Another great video.
I loved the end of the video when OSA agent refuses the lawyer advance at her with the excuse/justification that she hasn't got the time because she needs to clear the planet.
sallydannce
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You two together are beyond delightful!
Particularly love:
"I'm going to give you an unlimited budget" whereby Mr Mill's response was so full of delight, I thought he was going to jump up and start skipping around the room like some gleeful child. Instead he remained seated, quickly licked the drool sliding out of the corner of his mouth, and offered an almost composed "Oooohhh, an unlimited budget!!"
I think Mr Mills, of Weephuckum & Howe, LLP, Inc., may be a tad optimistic with his question "Are there going to be any loopy sea org members showing up..." Um, chances are high Mr Mills, there will be more loopy sea org members showing up. This is scientology. They "do" loopy, consistently.
And, finally, I wonder if Mr Mills, of Weephuckum & Howe, LLP, Inc., will persist with his flirtatious pursuit of Ms Let's-Make-the-Media-Quiver-into-Submission? Or will her "Mr Mills!!!! We have a planet to clear!!!" indignant retort make him back off?
I can't wait for the next episode to find out.
JustSheila
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Terrific vid, Karen! Thanks so much for doing it.
You've done a great job of explaining Non-Enturbulation orders and SP Declares and their effects. Lori Hodgson was terrific, too. What a brave and wonderful woman. She's gone through so much heartache from the Church of Scientology breaking up her family. She interviews well and I'm very grateful for all her vids and statements of the atrocious abuses she has suffered.
As you know, I was an MAA (Ethics Officer) in the Sea Org. I ran the ethics section in the mid 80s. My title was Director of Inspections and Reports, AOLA. Often executives ordered Non-Enturbulation orders on a whim, or when they'd ordered something abusive or undoable and a staff member tried to query it. I had a hard time standing up to such orders - to stand up to one of your seniors often meant getting one's self investigated, sent to amends or worse (RPF). What tools we all were! NEVER have I seen a Non-Enturbulation order on a staff member where the staff member truly was creating all the trouble accused. It's just a way to shut a person up, break his/her spirit and force them to buckle under the pressure of losing job, friends, family, and freedom. (I never personally ordered or issued one of those, btw)
Yes, Committees of Evidence are a kangaroo court, EVEN when the Convening Authority and local justice chief are decent people. Staff have to conduct these off post hours, which means late at night and being even more short of sleep than the usual 6 hours. On the occasions when someone was found not guilty, the Convening Authority or Justice Chief would kick it back. If they didn't like the recommendations, they would kick it back. If there was a senior authority above both the Convening Authority and Justice Chief who had ordered this, then the Convening Authority and Justice Chief would confer with that senior manager, and if they didn't like the results, they would again kick it back.
If the original committee STILL doesn't come up with the results desired, then they can be disbanded and a new committee formed. That's happened plenty.
And the worst part of the Committee of Evidence is - it only investigates an individual. There is no investigation of circumstances, which is about as sane as ignoring the oil slick left by a truck which causes a car driver to hit another car. When church policy itself or an order from a senior manager causes the problem, that is set aside and ignored as infallible. Only individual staff are investigated and punished, so there can be no finding that isn't "guilty" of one or several serious offenses.
Lulu Belle
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Terrific vid, Karen! Thanks so much for doing it.
You've done a great job of explaining Non-Enturbulation orders and SP Declares and their effects. Lori Hodgson was terrific, too. What a brave and wonderful woman. She's gone through so much heartache from the Church of Scientology breaking up her family. She interviews well and I'm very grateful for all her vids and statements of the atrocious abuses she has suffered.
As you know, I was an MAA (Ethics Officer) in the Sea Org. I ran the ethics section in the mid 80s. My title was Director of Inspections and Reports, AOLA. Often executives ordered Non-Enturbulation orders on a whim, or when they'd ordered something abusive or undoable and a staff member tried to query it. I had a hard time standing up to such orders - to stand up to one of your seniors often meant getting one's self investigated, sent to amends or worse (RPF). What tools we all were! NEVER have I seen a Non-Enturbulation order on a staff member where the staff member truly was creating all the trouble accused. It's just a way to shut a person up, break his/her spirit and force them to buckle under the pressure of losing job, friends, family, and freedom. (I never personally ordered or issued one of those, btw)
Yes, Committees of Evidence are a kangaroo court, EVEN when the Convening Authority and local justice chief are decent people. Staff have to conduct these off post hours, which means late at night and being even more short of sleep than the usual 6 hours. On the occasions when someone was found not guilty, the Convening Authority or Justice Chief would kick it back. If they didn't like the recommendations, they would kick it back. If there was a senior authority above both the Convening Authority and Justice Chief who had ordered this, then the Convening Authority and Justice Chief would confer with that senior manager, and if they didn't like the results, they would again kick it back.
If the original committee STILL doesn't come up with the results desired, then they can be disbanded and a new committee formed. That's happened plenty.
And the worst part of the Committee of Evidence is - it only investigates an individual. There is no investigation of circumstances, which is about as sane as ignoring the oil slick left by a truck which causes a car driver to hit another car. When church policy itself or an order from a senior manager causes the problem, that is set aside and ignored as infallible. Only individual staff are investigated and punished, so there can be no finding that isn't "guilty" of one or several serious offenses.
what she said.
Smurf
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Why am I reminded of Linda Sarkovich when I watch this video?
Karen#1
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Tony Ortega and myself interviewed by TRUTH Sentinel
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HebDdxrxzUk#t=4318
Karen#1
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Former Sea Org member Marc Headley describes how he and a Danish film crew were ambushed at Int Base by Scientologists. This story was picked up by the International Business Times after Marc filmed the event with his phone and Tony Ortega published the account of the ambush.
Marc Headley, author of the book Blown For Good: Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology. Available on Amazon.
*****New Video*****
Will shortly be available on ITunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igFnRoBSQ1Q
Marc Headley, author of the book Blown For Good: Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology. Available on Amazon.
*****New Video*****
Will shortly be available on ITunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igFnRoBSQ1Q
Commander Birdsong
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yup old fatso puffin himself up then puffin up them poor stupid kids who knew no better.
Red carpet VIP's was'nt exactly how I remember public seeing these dorks come to a Mission.
It was more like, oh jeeezuzzzz juniors got a hat and some braid playing soldier in the hallways
But the ED's were'nt laughing because they were getting charged an arm and a leg for them
twats to fuck things up, and working they asses off to to get them gone ASAP.
yup...
in point of fact auditing and training are actually marketable commodities which can produce satisfied customers. i think it is the sea org which is the primary factor in keeping outer orgs empty
Elronius of Marcabia
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Until they wake up to the con William then they not so happy and satisfied and are well
represented here with 6 decades of experience with training and auditing.
Are you right and they are all wrong ? dumb ? misguided ? dense ? too low toned ? SP's PTS ?
here's your chance to explain why you hold the 180 degree opposite position to so many here
that Hubbard was a con man a phony and his so called science was and is bullshit.
Karen#1
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When it comes to taking a person's money, the Church of Scientology moves at the speed of light. When it comes to refunding money, however, the Church moves in a geological time frame and uses its bad faith sham contract terms to make it virtually impossible to get money back.
One example: By definition, donations to the IAS are inherently out exchange as nothing is exchanged with the donor. Compounding this violation of its own "doctrine of exchange" that Scientology made such a big deal about with the IRS, IAS donations are non-refundable per the donation contract.
The inference here is that the IAS does not practice the doctrine of exchange and admits such when takes in donations on a nonrefundable basis. The IAS is yet another wealth extraction scam in the larger Scientology con game masquerading as a religion.
The Church of Scientology has given out a few refunds here and there. However, whenever it has done so there is always an SP Declare, a non-disclosure agreement, or some other self-serving penalty attached.
The Church of Scientology: Abandon hope all ye who enter these gates!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKFP29HWGtA
One example: By definition, donations to the IAS are inherently out exchange as nothing is exchanged with the donor. Compounding this violation of its own "doctrine of exchange" that Scientology made such a big deal about with the IRS, IAS donations are non-refundable per the donation contract.
The inference here is that the IAS does not practice the doctrine of exchange and admits such when takes in donations on a nonrefundable basis. The IAS is yet another wealth extraction scam in the larger Scientology con game masquerading as a religion.
The Church of Scientology has given out a few refunds here and there. However, whenever it has done so there is always an SP Declare, a non-disclosure agreement, or some other self-serving penalty attached.
The Church of Scientology: Abandon hope all ye who enter these gates!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKFP29HWGtA
ThetanExterior
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Yes, I have fought those battles. The one to get all my IAS donations refunded and the one to get repayment of money I had on account at my local org.
They were hard-fought battles but I won them both and as an added bonus I got Declared, which meant no more piles of junk mail and no more annoying phone calls.
They were hard-fought battles but I won them both and as an added bonus I got Declared, which meant no more piles of junk mail and no more annoying phone calls.
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Excellent expose on the cult's dirty little secret about "refunds", "exchange", "regging" and other things that go Ka-Ching in the night.
Scientology's one-way methodology of aggressively grabbing money and holding onto it with a death grip and never giving it back is analogous to something--I just can't quite put my finger on it. Hmmmm, I wonder what it reminds me of. . .
* A bank robbery? Kind of, except there is no "getaway car"--Scientology robbers keep coming back to the scene of the crime every single day to repeat its "successful actions". They have no plans whatsoever of going away until they are very sure they got it all.
* A street mugging? Yeah, I think we're getting warmer now. One seldom reads about mugging victims going back into the hood to do their refund routing forms.
* White collar crime? Oooh, now that's getting hotter. If it's a white clerical collar worn by a Scientology "minister" madly ringing up sales behind a cash register.
It's perplexing, trying to come up with an exact analogy for Scientology's Byzantine financial system. Maybe I'm overcomplicating it. Let's try simple:
SCIENTOLOGY'S ALL PURPOSE
REGGING & REFUNDS TECHNOLOGY
1. Insert Scientologist here.
2. "Handle" Scientologist.
3. Convenient cash capture device.
2. "Handle" Scientologist.
3. Convenient cash capture device.
Sindy
Crusader
It's like if Home Depot said, "Sure you can bring this chainsaw back for a full refund if you're not completely satisfied. If you do, you'll simply have to fill out a waiver stating that you will never be able to enter another Home Depot store again. In addition, please understand that you may have live chainsaws, coming to rip you to shreds in your sleep, for all of eternity. Should I ring that up for you now?"
Karen#1
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We (Sea Org, Staff) all got into Scientology to help ~~ to "save the world" or so we believed.
How odd that we are now trying to save the world FROM Scientology. Now bizarre is that ?
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How odd that we are now trying to save the world FROM Scientology. Now bizarre is that ?
*******New Video*******
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnGvyFtT9G4
WildKat
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Maybe the trick is for us to stop worrying about saving the world and concentrate on saving ourselves. Trying to save the world has created the worst of fanatics, cults and religions. "God, please save me from your True Believers!"
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Possible explanation for why Commander sees things a different way. . .he is marching to a different beat.
The tune is familiar but the words are somehow, um--different. lol.
(Dedicated to Commander, our die-hard "Gee whiz Commodore, your OT tech works just like it said on the back of the cereal box!" tech loyalist, with love):
A Day In The Life of a Scientologist
I read the completions today, oh boy
About a lucky wog who made the grade
And though the stats were rather sad
Well I just had to laugh
I saw the downstat graph.
He blew his mind out in a session
He didn't notice that the decades had changed
A crowd of people stood and clapped
They'd seen his case before
Nobody was really sure
If he was from the House of Loons
I saw an intro film today, oh boy
The Scientology navy had just won the war
A crowd of PCs turned away
But I just had to look
Having read Ron's book
I'd love to put you on.
Woke up, did what Ron said,
Went exterior from my head
Found my way uptone and drank kool-aid,
And looking up I noticed Ron was great.
Found my certainty and wore my hat
Erased my bank in seconds flat
Found my way up the Bridge and had an FN,
Somebody spoke about Xenu and I went into a dream. . .
I read the completions today, oh boy
About a lucky wog who made the grade
And though the stats were rather sad
Well I just had to laugh
I saw the downstat graph.
He blew his mind out in a session
He didn't notice that the decades had changed
A crowd of people stood and clapped
They'd seen his case before
Nobody was really sure
If he was from the House of Loons
I saw an intro film today, oh boy
The Scientology navy had just won the war
A crowd of PCs turned away
But I just had to look
Having read Ron's book
I'd love to put you on.
Woke up, did what Ron said,
Went exterior from my head
Found my way uptone and drank kool-aid,
And looking up I noticed Ron was great.
Found my certainty and wore my hat
Erased my bank in seconds flat
Found my way up the Bridge and had an FN,
Somebody spoke about Xenu and I went into a dream. . .
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