Karen De La Carriere's Career in the Defense Department

Out Effix

Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer
What Lurker's and newbies have to understand is HOW Scientologists (those in and pretending to be out like OSA) can infiltrate groups and cause trouble.

They use the "Law of Reciprocity" and it works like magic.

I will give you an example.

Emma posted in August about Alanzo and her having nice conversations etc and that

Alanzo HAD NO AGENDA

:eek:

Now - look at the posts Alanzo has been allowed to put on the EXSMB spreading hate and confusion for those lurking and wanting to understand the cult they are stuck in.

This is the Law of Reciprocity.


This was the AGENDA all along.
I will also add that some of the real EX Scientologists who made this board what it is - added real value - are gone now due to Alanzo's actions. Emma is letting it happen. At least you know why. Alanzo will fill the board up with his AGENDA. Mark my words.
 

He-man

Hero extraordinary
He-man: You seem to be good at spreading a lot of confusion and changing the subject too. You don't contribute much either.

There is nothing going on behind the scenes. That is all the cooked up conspiracy shit OSA spins out there on the internet. The FREAK Zone has always been kooky and crazy. Non of the indie groups last long. They need OPPRESSION to Keep Scientology Working.

Why don't you do something to contribute to the group here. Besides pretending to dis Alanzo and then liking and agreeing with him.
Wait what?

I'm hurt now, Out ethics, you cut me real deep there.

I do not agree agree with all that defines Alanzos current crusade, I do however believe he has the same right to talk as anyone does. I understand that that becomes hard to see in all the BS, but I don't feel that I am to blame.

The one part I strongly disagrees with Alanzo is what he did to Karen, I reported it, it was dealt with, and I made a post to him on it.

There is a lot going on behind the scenes, from what I can tell. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Not really. But that does not seem to be the case.

I contribute in a way that I feel is meaningful to this forum. Not really into tribes, groups and collectives, I left that behind me when I got the fuck out of Scientology.

I heartfelt suggest you do the same.

What Lurker's and newbies have to understand is HOW Scientologists (those in and pretending to be out) can infiltrate groups and cause trouble.

They use the "Law of Reciprocity" and it works like magic.

I will give you an example.

Emma posted in August about Alanzo and her having nice conversations etc and that

Alanzo HAD NO AGENDA

:eek:

Now - look at the posts Alanzo has been allowed to put on the EXSMB spreading hate and confusion for those lurking and wanting to understand the cult they are stuck in.


This is the Law of Reciprocity.

This was the AGENDA all along.

I thought you meant that the laws of reciprocity worked in Alanzos favour, now I understand what you mean with it. I don't agree that Emma is a Scientologist, and I disagree to peeps trying to clog her up in cahoots with Alanzo.

If that was true, she would have allowed his dirty smear on Karen - She did not.
 

Out Effix

Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer
Wait what?

I'm hurt now, Out ethics, you cut me real deep there.

I do not agree agree with all that defines Alanzos current crusade, I do however believe he has the same right to talk as anyone does. I understand that that becomes hard to see in all the BS, but I don't feel that I am to blame.

The one part I strongly disagrees with Alanzo is what he did to Karen, I reported it, it was dealt with, and I made a post to him on it.

There is a lot going on behind the scenes, from what I can tell. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Not really. But that does not seem to be the case.

I contribute in a way that I feel is meaningful to this forum. Not really into tribes, groups and collectives, I left that behind me when I got the fuck out of Scientology.

I heartfelt suggest you do the same.



I thought you meant that the laws of reciprocity worked in Alanzos favour, now I understand what you mean with it. I don't agree that Emma is a Scientologist, and I disagree to peeps trying to clog her up in cahoots with Alanzo.

If that was true, she would have allowed his dirty smear on Karen - She did not.
He-man: WHAT is going on behind the scenes?

Emma is not a Scientologist. She obviously is an Ex. But she admitted she had a conversation with Alanzo where they connected when she was in the hospital. SHE WAS VULNERABLE. HE WAS NICE. Emma says " HE HAD NO AGENDA ". Now look at the board.

This is an EX Scientology Message Board. It is NOT a Anti Ex Scientology Message Board, is it? I would have never joined.

Alanzo has his own ANTI Ex Scientology board yet he does not allow anyone to come there and spew.
They must toe the line with Alanzo on his board or they don't get to speak.

Why is he here? What is he creating here?

He got on and is allowed to behave the way he does due to the Law of Reciprocity at work. Emma removed the horrible stuff he posted about Karen because she is being careful right now ONLY because a few of us have the balls to say something.

Anyone else would have been banned a long time ago.

Emma attacked me after I posted about OSA targets ex Scientologists who are broke and need money because THEY DO! Emma attacked Lotus and I asking about "the email" that was sent around through the back channels. She was defending Alanzo. I knew nothing about it.

Let's just call a spade a spade, shall we?

For all of you out there, if you don't think you can fall prey to the "law of reciprocity" after you left the cult, think again! We are vulnerable to mind control tactics.
 

Out Effix

Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer

He-man: WHAT is going on behind the scenes?

Emma is not a Scientologist. She obviously is an Ex. But she admitted she had a conversation with Alanzo where they connected when she was in the hospital. SHE WAS VULNERABLE. HE WAS NICE. Emma says " HE HAD NO AGENDA ". Now look at the board.

This is an EX Scientology Message Board. It is NOT a Anti Ex Scientology Message Board, is it? I would have never joined.

Alanzo has his own ANTI Ex Scientology board yet he does not allow anyone to come there and spew.
They must toe the line with Alanzo on his board or they don't get to speak.

Why is he here? What is he creating here?

He got on and is allowed to behave the way he does due to the Law of Reciprocity at work. Emma removed the horrible stuff he posted about Karen because she is being careful right now ONLY because a few of us have the balls to say something.

Anyone else would have been banned a long time ago.

Emma attacked me after I posted about OSA targets ex Scientologists who are broke and need money because THEY DO! Emma attacked Lotus and I asking about "the email" that was sent around through the back channels. She was defending Alanzo. I knew nothing about it.

Let's just call a spade a spade, shall we?
 

Out Effix

Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer
"I am with Alanzo" - what are you being righteous about Dave - HATE? "It is more nuanced than Karen good, Scientology bad". WTF does that mean. More confusion for the newbie. Explain yourself. Alanzo only does one thing - he is attacking critics who are doing something about Scientology like exposing the truth?
What do you contribute to help, Dave?
So far all I see is loyal support to "Alanzo - the HATER"??
 

He-man

Hero extraordinary
He-man: WHAT is going on behind the scenes?

For all of you out there, if you don't think you can fall prey to the "law of reciprocity" after you left the cult, think again! We are vulnerable to mind control tactics.
As to what, I'm unsure to the factual parts, which makes me uncomfortable to post what I do know. Plus like in any good book, I'm partially sworn to secrecy. Sorry man, can't help you there, I wish that the major players did go public what they do know, from both sides. No one is taking the plunge though.

Oh I have have no argument with you on the last part, anyone can, and in most times it's just who we are, as natural as having friends and relationships. I just didn't see how Alanzo was using it on "us". :lol:
 

Out Effix

Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer
As to what, I'm unsure to the factual parts, which makes me uncomfortable to post what I do know. Plus like in any good book, I'm partially sworn to secrecy. Sorry man, can't help you there, I wish that the major players did go public what they do know, from both sides. No one is taking the plunge though.

Oh I have have no argument with you on the last part, anyone can, and in most times it's just who we are, as natural as having friends and relationships. I just didn't see how Alanzo was using it on "us". :lol:
You sound confused.
You "LOL" and this post makes no sense.
 

He-man

Hero extraordinary
You sound confused.
You "LOL" and this post makes no sense.
It made sense to me, not sure as to what I was unclear about.

If I split it up like this:

He-man: WHAT is going on behind the scenes?

As to what, I'm unsure to the factual parts, which makes me uncomfortable to post what I do know. Plus like in any good book, I'm partially sworn to secrecy. Sorry man, can't help you there, I wish that the major players did go public what they do know, from both sides. No one is taking the plunge though.

For all of you out there, if you don't think you can fall prey to the "law of reciprocity" after you left the cult, think again! We are vulnerable to mind control tactics.
Oh I have have no argument with you on the last part, anyone can, and in most times it's just who we are, as natural as having friends and relationships. I just didn't see how Alanzo was using it on "us". :lol:

Did that make more sense to you?

Kind regards
He-man
 

Out Effix

Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer
It made sense to me, not sure as to what I was unclear about.

If I split it up like this:



As to what, I'm unsure to the factual parts, which makes me uncomfortable to post what I do know. Plus like in any good book, I'm partially sworn to secrecy. Sorry man, can't help you there, I wish that the major players did go public what they do know, from both sides. No one is taking the plunge though.


Oh I have have no argument with you on the last part, anyone can, and in most times it's just who we are, as natural as having friends and relationships. I just didn't see how Alanzo was using it on "us". :lol:

Did that make more sense to you?

Kind regards
He-man
No - it is a confusing post but that is okay.
 

Out Effix

Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer
Do I have your OK for my CSW?
No, one last thing. Please donate to the Aftermath Foundation and get signatures from 5 active SP's that you are on board with Suppressing Scientology. Then I will sign off on that CSW.
;)
 

He-man

Hero extraordinary
No, one last thing. Please donate to the Aftermath Foundation and get signatures from 5 active SP's that you are on board with Suppressing Scientology. Then I will sign off on that CSW.
;)
Once I've get confirmation that the Aftermath Foundation isn't using green on white and Scientology "Ethics tech" - I'll consider it.

Fuck me, I'll even considering donating monies to ex Scientologists who are helping peeps out of Scientology, once I have confirmation that they aren't trying to suck new people into getting audited in the indie field.

Until then, I'll keep helping people out of Scientology the same way I have.
 
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Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
He-man: WHAT is going on behind the scenes?

Emma is not a Scientologist. She obviously is an Ex. But she admitted she had a conversation with Alanzo where they connected when she was in the hospital. SHE WAS VULNERABLE. HE WAS NICE. Emma says " HE HAD NO AGENDA ". Now look at the board.

This is an EX Scientology Message Board. It is NOT a Anti Ex Scientology Message Board, is it? I would have never joined.

Alanzo has his own ANTI Ex Scientology board yet he does not allow anyone to come there and spew.
They must toe the line with Alanzo on his board or they don't get to speak.

Why is he here? What is he creating here?

He got on and is allowed to behave the way he does due to the Law of Reciprocity at work. Emma removed the horrible stuff he posted about Karen because she is being careful right now ONLY because a few of us have the balls to say something.

Anyone else would have been banned a long time ago.

Emma attacked me after I posted about OSA targets ex Scientologists who are broke and need money because THEY DO! Emma attacked Lotus and I asking about "the email" that was sent around through the back channels. She was defending Alanzo. I knew nothing about it.

Let's just call a spade a spade, shall we?

For all of you out there, if you don't think you can fall prey to the "law of reciprocity" after you left the cult, think again! We are vulnerable to mind control tactics.
Dude. :thumbsup:
 

Out Effix

Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer
Dude. :thumbsup: (Alanzo)
He-man: WHAT is going on behind the scenes?
Emma is not a Scientologist. She obviously is an Ex. But she admitted she had a conversation with Alanzo where they connected when she was in the hospital. SHE WAS VULNERABLE. HE WAS NICE. Emma says " HE HAD NO AGENDA ". Now look at the board.
This is an EX Scientology Message Board. It is NOT a Anti Ex Scientology Message Board, is it? I would have never joined.
Alanzo has his own ANTI Ex Scientology board yet he does not allow anyone to come there and spew.
They must toe the line with Alanzo on his board or they don't get to speak.
Why is he here? What is he creating here?
He got on and is allowed to behave the way he does due to the Law of Reciprocity at work. Emma removed the horrible stuff he posted about Karen because she is being careful right now ONLY because a few of us have the balls to say something.
Anyone else would have been banned a long time ago.
Emma attacked me after I posted about OSA targets ex Scientologists who are broke and need money because THEY DO! Emma attacked Lotus and I asking about "the email" that was sent around through the back channels. She was defending Alanzo. I knew nothing about it.
Let's just call a spade a spade, shall we?
For all of you out there, if you don't think you can fall prey to the "law of reciprocity" after you left the cult, think again! We are vulnerable to mind control tactics.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
He-man: WHAT is going on behind the scenes?
Emma is not a Scientologist. She obviously is an Ex. But she admitted she had a conversation with Alanzo where they connected when she was in the hospital. SHE WAS VULNERABLE. HE WAS NICE. Emma says " HE HAD NO AGENDA ". Now look at the board.
This is an EX Scientology Message Board. It is NOT a Anti Ex Scientology Message Board, is it? I would have never joined.
Alanzo has his own ANTI Ex Scientology board yet he does not allow anyone to come there and spew.
They must toe the line with Alanzo on his board or they don't get to speak.
Why is he here? What is he creating here?
He got on and is allowed to behave the way he does due to the Law of Reciprocity at work. Emma removed the horrible stuff he posted about Karen because she is being careful right now ONLY because a few of us have the balls to say something.
Anyone else would have been banned a long time ago.
Emma attacked me after I posted about OSA targets ex Scientologists who are broke and need money because THEY DO! Emma attacked Lotus and I asking about "the email" that was sent around through the back channels. She was defending Alanzo. I knew nothing about it.
Let's just call a spade a spade, shall we?
For all of you out there, if you don't think you can fall prey to the "law of reciprocity" after you left the cult, think again! We are vulnerable to mind control tactics.
When was the last time you spoke to your mother?
 

Out Effix

Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer
ALANZO (attempting to change the subject) When was the last time you spoke to your mother?
Just a minute ago. She says HI.

He-man: WHAT is going on behind the scenes?
Emma is not a Scientologist. She obviously is an Ex. But she admitted she had a conversation with Alanzo where they connected when she was in the hospital. SHE WAS VULNERABLE. HE WAS NICE. Emma says " HE HAD NO AGENDA ". Now look at the board.
This is an EX Scientology Message Board. It is NOT a Anti Ex Scientology Message Board, is it? I would have never joined.
Alanzo has his own ANTI Ex Scientology board yet he does not allow anyone to come there and spew.
They must toe the line with Alanzo on his board or they don't get to speak.
Why is he here? What is he creating here?
He got on and is allowed to behave the way he does due to the Law of Reciprocity at work. Emma removed the horrible stuff he posted about Karen because she is being careful right now ONLY because a few of us have the balls to say something.
Anyone else would have been banned a long time ago.
Emma attacked me after I posted about OSA targets ex Scientologists who are broke and need money because THEY DO! Emma attacked Lotus and I asking about "the email" that was sent around through the back channels. She was defending Alanzo. I knew nothing about it.
Let's just call a spade a spade, shall we?
For all of you out there, if you don't think you can fall prey to the "law of reciprocity" after you left the cult, think again! We are vulnerable to mind control tactics.
 

Out Effix

Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer
4 or 5 years ago, I wrote a blog post about Karen De La Carriere called "Did Indy OSA Just Screw the Pooch? Marty Rathbun & Karen De La Carriere"

Here is an extended excerpt:

Back in 2010, when Karen De La Carriere (Indy OSA herself) was calling me on the phone, trying to get me to stop criticizing L Ron Hubbard and the technology of Scientology on the Internet, she would quote L Ron Hubbard over and over to me, yelling “PR is overt! Intelligence is COVERT! INTELLIGENCE BEGINS AND ENDS COVERTLY!!!”


She told me about her years as an intelligence operative in the defense department "socializing" with defense dept contractors to see who might be leaking confidential information. And she also told me about all the years she worked on Operations against Scientology’s “enemies” at OSA Int. I think she thought she was impressing me, but she was actually making me sick. I’d worked for OSA on one project, and that was enough to teach me what kind of person would continue to work for OSA on a second project – let alone for 5 and a half years at OSA Int.

So, with all her intelligence training, what was Karen thinking yesterday when she admitted to paying Marty Rathbun money because he was doing work that she wanted done?

If you’ll remember back in September of 2016, Marty wrote that a dispute arose between Karen De La Carriere and Marty over her attempt to get him to publish unseemly session data and OSA ethics handlings that she was involved in with Ron Miscavige, Sr. – David Miscavige’s father.

Here’s what Marty wrote at the time:

“A few years ago Karen offered me thousands of dollars to indict and convict Ron Miscavige of that very rape charge on my blog. She said that Ron had confessed the crime to her in Clearwater Florida in the eighties and she wanted to publish it. She said it was fair game for publication because even though Karen was a Scientology counsellor at the Clearwater facility at the time of the confession, Ron had admitted the crime outside the four walls of a counselling session. She said that Ron told her, “Karen, I don’t know what got into me. I lost my mind. I got rough with that girl. I raped her”, referring to the woman outside Philadelphia who had so accused him. She referred to Ron Miscavige as a predator who needed to be put away for the protection of society.’
“I told Karen that rape is a serious charge for a he-said/she-said accusation and I would not be taking the subject up. Karen pressed me with a plea that it would do all manner of harm to David Miscavige and Scientology. I informed Karen as I had on numerous occasions that that was not my purpose nor the purpose of my forum and that until she and others evolved from such hateful motivations they would continue to live the miserable existences they did. I also reiterated what I told her several times: that I never allowed editorial influence no matter how generous one was with donations to the blog.’​
…​
“This business with trying to get me to publish Ron’s confession occurred while Ron was still with Scientology’s priesthood (the Sea Organization). So, here is the lesson in ASC ethics. A confessed rapist who is a Scientologist deserves life in the penitentiary. A confessed rapist who is an anti-scientologist deserves sainthood and the best defense money can buy. If you are with ASC against Scientology, you can get away with murder (or at least violent rape). If you don’t toe the party line, you are “bought off” or worse and are fair game for attack by those who themselves have long-since sold themselves. Kettle, meet pot.”​
It was quite a post when Marty wrote it, and with Karen’s new admission on Tuesday that she paid Marty money in this same time period, she makes that post remain just as relevant today. Here’s what she said in multiple fora on the Post-Scientology Internet on Tuesday:​
It’s almost as if she is piling-on to this whole “revelation” from Tony Ortega that Marty Rathbun settled with David Miscavige and is now an OSA Agent, isn’t it? Like she considers Marty Rathbun “dead” or something, and this will be his final nail in the coffin. Yet the sole piece of evidence of Tony’s smug assertion that he has been making since last April that Marty is a turncoat spy is a single email that an Israeli Church attorney claims he received from Marty Rathbun with no evidence at all to back that up – and no information on how that Church lawyer got that email.​
How can a document that appears in a court of law, anywhere in the world, have no proof for how it was obtained?​
This is what Marty claimed back in September to have firsthand knowledge of at that time:​
“Kept-man second-class Tony Ortega does accept money for publishing salacious content. That is how he makes his living.”​
You know, I’ve seen enough ham-handed OSA-style Dead Agent Operations in my life in and around Scientology to be alert to when I might be seeing another one. This is where everyone in Scientology-Watching should be alert and awake to what they are being fed.​
I think there’s much more to this Israeli Church attorney’s email story that is yet to be learned.​
At least we now know that Marty’s story about Karen trying to get Marty to attack David Miscavige’s father, and Marty refusing, is probably true, thanks to Karen herself.​
No one is saying here that these questions I’m asking have answers yet. They don’t. But they need answers, and you should not consider that anyone has answers to anything until their answers have arrived.​
Always remember to keep thinking and to keep asking questions in this murky world of OSA-trained Exes such as Karen De La Carriere, Mike Rinder, Marty Rathbun and others on the Post Scientology Internet. I have learned the hard way that things are not always as their OSA-trained, overt Black PR makes them seem.​
For more stories of what it is like to work directly with Indy OSA, by people who were there, be sure to read the comments section on Marty’s blog post that day. There are some wild stories there that will make you keep your eyes wide open.​
And maybe a few more people will wake up to the very real possibility that we might very well be BEING PLAYED.​
This isn't a Marty Thread.​
This is a Karen thread.​
These OSA trained Int Base Scientologists changed everything in the Ex community when they all left Int Base and met up on the outside at the same time in 2009/2010.​
We - as in Ex-Scientologists - and not Int Base Exes - have been feeling the effects of it to this day.​
Karen De La Carriere has a (now) admitted career working for the Department of Defense "socializing" with defense contractors in order to obtain personal information about them to see if they are leaking any information on confidential contracts. That is what she told me in 2010, and when I revealed it in this post 4 or 5 years ago, she repreatedly called me a liar and insane.​
And then, years later, this turns up on her own LinkedIn Page:​
Could a trained intelligence officer exploit the vulnerabilities of Ex-Scientologists who are simply trying to figure out their life choices inside a 'cult' that she reigned over as the former "Queen of Scientology"? How did she get Int clearance with an intelligence background like this, any way?​
Are what we are reading and seeing from these people just more emotional manipulation from people who are trained and drilled to do so?​
The question should be asked, and the underlying hypocrisies should be known if Ex-Scientologists are going to have the information necessary to think critically and make informed decisions about what information they are being fed.​
As Ex-Scientologists, are we ever going to get to the truth of anything with operatives like this making the waters even more murky for us?​
This is the context for other posts I've written about Karen De La Carriere in the past, and will continue to write in the near future.​
So hang on, and strap in. This last week of ESMB is going to be one big bumpy night.​
Karen De la Carriere has almost 1 million views on You Tube. She has a huge twitter following. She is kicking ass and taking names. She is powerful and you can't stand it.
What have you done Alanzo, besides hate on the powerful SP's exposing that crime organization called Scientology? They are dismantling and taking down Scientology! They are awesome people.
 

Out Effix

Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer
Just a minute ago. She says HI.

He-man: WHAT is going on behind the scenes?
Emma is not a Scientologist. She obviously is an Ex. But she admitted she had a conversation with Alanzo where they connected when she was in the hospital. SHE WAS VULNERABLE. HE WAS NICE. Emma says " HE HAD NO AGENDA ". Now look at the board.
This is an EX Scientology Message Board. It is NOT a Anti Ex Scientology Message Board, is it? I would have never joined.
Alanzo has his own ANTI Ex Scientology board yet he does not allow anyone to come there and spew.
They must toe the line with Alanzo on his board or they don't get to speak.
Why is he here? What is he creating here?
He got on and is allowed to behave the way he does due to the Law of Reciprocity at work. Emma removed the horrible stuff he posted about Karen because she is being careful right now ONLY because a few of us have the balls to say something.
Anyone else would have been banned a long time ago.
Emma attacked me after I posted about OSA targets ex Scientologists who are broke and need money because THEY DO! Emma attacked Lotus and I asking about "the email" that was sent around through the back channels. She was defending Alanzo. I knew nothing about it.
Let's just call a spade a spade, shall we?
For all of you out there, if you don't think you can fall prey to the "law of reciprocity" after you left the cult, think again! We are vulnerable to mind control tactics.
He man - were you confused? Let me help - Alanzo is using the "disbursement tech". He posts a thumbs up emoticon to get my posts dispersed. I have busted him here on EXSMB and he does not like it.
 

He-man

Hero extraordinary
He man - were you confused? Let me help - Alanzo is using the "disbursement tech". He posts a thumbs up emoticon to get my posts dispersed. I have busted him here on EXSMB and he does not like it.
So, in essence, you are spamming?

Can I spam too?

 
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