Looking for a Dianetics Auditor
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Dulloldfart
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Strict 1950 Dianetics over the telephone or Skype. Er, right.
I don't see how this would work out at all. As soon as you get into something relatively heavy and start to fall asleep there is no auditor there to gently shake you awake or kick your feet or whatever is supposed to be the "correct" way of physically getting the person out of his unconscious (Hubbard's word) state. PaulsRobot has an excellent remedy for "anaten"/boil-off/dope-off/falling asleep, but it's not exactly 1950 stuff.
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I don't see how this would work out at all. As soon as you get into something relatively heavy and start to fall asleep there is no auditor there to gently shake you awake or kick your feet or whatever is supposed to be the "correct" way of physically getting the person out of his unconscious (Hubbard's word) state. PaulsRobot has an excellent remedy for "anaten"/boil-off/dope-off/falling asleep, but it's not exactly 1950 stuff.
Paul
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Deacon is right, this has been a wild summer here at ESMB. Maybe it should be remembered in song as the Summer Of Trolls. lol
Gib
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The former CO$ Mission, Dror, has left CO$.
They should be able to deliver book 1 or connect you
to someone who can.
http://scnil.org/english/
To all the people calling me a troll while trolling this thread - no life? Sad. Also the people who never do anything are the ones who are the quickest to criticize.
There is NOTHING that has anything to do with scientology (and its 'techs') that I will touch with a 10 yard pole. All that SC crap is not worth the breath it takes to insult it. I draw a big red line just after what scientologists call 'book 1'. On one side is a great discovery, on the other - insanity and slavery (and I really don't care if you're free zone or CoS).
And I'm wondering - am I alone in this? Seeing a clear difference between science and bullshit, even though they are packaged together? Would this be the first time in history a religion has stolen and corrupted a great idea?
There is NOTHING that has anything to do with scientology (and its 'techs') that I will touch with a 10 yard pole. All that SC crap is not worth the breath it takes to insult it. I draw a big red line just after what scientologists call 'book 1'. On one side is a great discovery, on the other - insanity and slavery (and I really don't care if you're free zone or CoS).
And I'm wondering - am I alone in this? Seeing a clear difference between science and bullshit, even though they are packaged together? Would this be the first time in history a religion has stolen and corrupted a great idea?
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AnonyMary
Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
I have nothing against anyone liking Dianetics as a subject or wanting to co-audit Dianetics but many here do. That said, you may find yourself a minority here and with the independents using Dianetics and Scientology outside the church.
Here are some suggestions that may help you in what you are looking to do
You can post a notice at CraigsList looking for a co-auditing partner. You can renew it multiple times and spread the message out to the available sites in Israel.
http://geo.craigslist.org/iso/il
You can also list yourself here at this Freezone site as a dianetics auditor looking to co-audit or contact those listed here asking if they know of someone nearby you who would want to co-audit. Just don't rag on the Scientology matter. To most Freezoners, Dianetics is a part of Scientology. The concepts are used in various parts of the Scientology bridge processes
http://scientologistsfreezone.com/auditor-list.shtml
You might find Paul's site helpful for self auditing processes. The Rub and Yawn one is the one I use sometimes and it's quite helpful and relaxing. Paul posts here as DullOldFart
http://www.paulsrobot.com/index.html
Many here feel that Dianetics is based upon hypnotic type commands. I for one will never use it on anyone else ever again. All you need is a mentally unstable person ( who appears normal in all respects) to see the potential dangers of playing with another person's mind. Still, if you find a partner who is willing like you to trudge through the processing and who is not one to go off the rails, then by all means do it. From reading your posts I see you have a good grasp of the pros and cons of the book and technique and a curiosity to see how it will benefit you. Many of us also bought and read the book with less caution or thought and wound up becoming scientologists, so I say do what you want, be cautious and look outside this forum for a partner to find what you are looking for.
Gib
Crusader
Here's the first con,
on the basic of the basic,
it, dianetics is not self help, but yet they promote as self help!
reason being one requires another to read the book so as to audit each other,
thus, there is no self help. laughing out loud.
SweetnessandLight
Crusader
Um...may I just add...
Rodent, I wish you well in your search for meaning, self exploration, growth, healing or whatever it is you are hoping to gain from doing Book One auditing.
Please don't bother with it as it will waste your time and may mess you up mentally-emotionally-spiritually-socially!
It's bunk! Babies do not get "engrams" from their Mommas having sex! Or an argument! 
Nobody gets "engrams". They don't exist! Ron made that up, our minds do not work in the ways that he claims in Dianetics. PERIOD! There is nothing broken in your mind that needs to be corrected through auditing in order for you to be a happy healthy productive person. PERIOD! It's a con game!!!
I just want to point out that for many (most?) of us here, we see no clear distinction between Dianetics and Scientology, it's all part and parcel of the same Con job used to gain money by forming a Cult which flows money uplines to the guy(s) at the top of the human heap, by selling people "secret knowledge".
"Dianetics" was made up by Ron with no real scientific research done at all. Most of the claims for early auditing, that you will heal physical problems, gain in I.Q., lose your need to wear glasses, etc. are all false.
I think he wrote it based on his experience with using various means of persuasion with people, such as in practicing as a hypnotist at parties. He was a prolific pulp fiction writer, very creative along those lines, and wrote Dianetics at a time when psychology and getting your head shrunk by going into psychoanalysis were very hot items in the culture where he lived and worked. Dianetics "theory" if I can call it that, is loosely based on old-time abreaction therapy which was largely in sway at the time. Ron tapped into a popular interest with the public...how to do "do it yourself" therapy for cheap and with a friend or partner, rather than seeking out professional therapy, which at the time was very expensive and a status symbol with the middle and upper classes, just like driving a fancy and expensive car would be!
Frankly, our minds do not work as recording machines in the pseudo scientific way that Ron presented, using an engineering model which appealed to the public at the time. May I suggest that you read this book for more gentle insight into what is allegedly "workable" or true and helpful in Dianetics, by someone who used it, and discarded much of it, before you continue on with "doing" Dianetics? This was written by someone who WAS trained as a professional scientist, which Ron never was? He worked with Ron in the early days before he waw how things were wrong in Dianetics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Doctor's_Report_on_Dianetics
It makes no sense to me for you to say that you want to do Book One auditing with someone, and yet you do not want to touch anything about Scientology with a ten foot pole. ??? Dianetics was for many the doorway into Scientology, and they together are all part of the same long, ongoing con game to get other people's money away from them by deceitful means!
How about exploring real world based cognative behavioral therapy, if there is something in your life you would like to address or change?
If you want to become smarter or more able, go back to school!
Or at least read more widely! I wish you well Rodent!
Rodent, I wish you well in your search for meaning, self exploration, growth, healing or whatever it is you are hoping to gain from doing Book One auditing.
Please don't bother with it as it will waste your time and may mess you up mentally-emotionally-spiritually-socially!
It's bunk! Babies do not get "engrams" from their Mommas having sex! Or an argument! Nobody gets "engrams". They don't exist! Ron made that up, our minds do not work in the ways that he claims in Dianetics. PERIOD! There is nothing broken in your mind that needs to be corrected through auditing in order for you to be a happy healthy productive person. PERIOD! It's a con game!!!I just want to point out that for many (most?) of us here, we see no clear distinction between Dianetics and Scientology, it's all part and parcel of the same Con job used to gain money by forming a Cult which flows money uplines to the guy(s) at the top of the human heap, by selling people "secret knowledge".
"Dianetics" was made up by Ron with no real scientific research done at all. Most of the claims for early auditing, that you will heal physical problems, gain in I.Q., lose your need to wear glasses, etc. are all false.
I think he wrote it based on his experience with using various means of persuasion with people, such as in practicing as a hypnotist at parties. He was a prolific pulp fiction writer, very creative along those lines, and wrote Dianetics at a time when psychology and getting your head shrunk by going into psychoanalysis were very hot items in the culture where he lived and worked. Dianetics "theory" if I can call it that, is loosely based on old-time abreaction therapy which was largely in sway at the time. Ron tapped into a popular interest with the public...how to do "do it yourself" therapy for cheap and with a friend or partner, rather than seeking out professional therapy, which at the time was very expensive and a status symbol with the middle and upper classes, just like driving a fancy and expensive car would be!
Frankly, our minds do not work as recording machines in the pseudo scientific way that Ron presented, using an engineering model which appealed to the public at the time. May I suggest that you read this book for more gentle insight into what is allegedly "workable" or true and helpful in Dianetics, by someone who used it, and discarded much of it, before you continue on with "doing" Dianetics? This was written by someone who WAS trained as a professional scientist, which Ron never was? He worked with Ron in the early days before he waw how things were wrong in Dianetics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Doctor's_Report_on_Dianetics
It makes no sense to me for you to say that you want to do Book One auditing with someone, and yet you do not want to touch anything about Scientology with a ten foot pole. ??? Dianetics was for many the doorway into Scientology, and they together are all part of the same long, ongoing con game to get other people's money away from them by deceitful means!
How about exploring real world based cognative behavioral therapy, if there is something in your life you would like to address or change?
If you want to become smarter or more able, go back to school!
Or at least read more widely! I wish you well Rodent!
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AnonyMary,
Thank you for your very thoughtful and helpful post. I will definitely check out those links.
Well, you said it, then proved yourself wrong by giving me a few leads and some good advice. But I understand what you mean.
You mean they believe it's like hypnotherapy? That it involves implanting commands?
I've seen it happen firsthand, so I know what you are talking about. Regression therapies are not without risk. In Primal Therapy there have even been a few suicides, as a result of the brutish techniques used by Janov and other therapists in the early days (my conjecture).
I accept the risk - sometimes you just have to. And, of course, I will make sure any person I ever audit is aware of it too.
So, thanks again,
r>
Thank you for your very thoughtful and helpful post. I will definitely check out those links.
Well, you said it, then proved yourself wrong by giving me a few leads and some good advice. But I understand what you mean.
You mean they believe it's like hypnotherapy? That it involves implanting commands?
I've seen it happen firsthand, so I know what you are talking about. Regression therapies are not without risk. In Primal Therapy there have even been a few suicides, as a result of the brutish techniques used by Janov and other therapists in the early days (my conjecture).
I accept the risk - sometimes you just have to. And, of course, I will make sure any person I ever audit is aware of it too.
So, thanks again,
r>
Claire Swazey
Spokeshole, fence sitter
Aren't you on another thread debunking it?
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
Oh, I argue with everybody : )
But I'm pretty sure I'm not debunking Dianetics, specifically, on that other thread. Not the 1950 DMSMH. I do not agree with every word Hubbard said in that book, but I do accept the main claims he's making in it.