phenomanon
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Marty may think that he can compete with Leah Remini for an Emmy nomination. Maybe he can have an A&E hit show showing "the other side".
What a Hoot!
Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking
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Marty may think that he can compete with Leah Remini for an Emmy nomination. Maybe he can have an A&E hit show showing "the other side".
What a Hoot!
rickybobby
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Here's a possibility---
Marty, who fancies himself an expert in covert ops, is attempting to pull a covert op himself-- on David Miscavige! What if he is only PRETENDING to do the A-E steps and only APPEARING to have capitulated to Miscavige for the sole reason to get back in good graces, back in the inside, and thus be in a better position to DESTROY Miscavige? Or start a coup from the INSIDE?
He is just delusional enough and his ego is overinflated enough that I think he might try to pull something like that off. An infiltration.
What do you all think? Is this a viable possibility?
Marty, who fancies himself an expert in covert ops, is attempting to pull a covert op himself-- on David Miscavige! What if he is only PRETENDING to do the A-E steps and only APPEARING to have capitulated to Miscavige for the sole reason to get back in good graces, back in the inside, and thus be in a better position to DESTROY Miscavige? Or start a coup from the INSIDE?
He is just delusional enough and his ego is overinflated enough that I think he might try to pull something like that off. An infiltration.
What do you all think? Is this a viable possibility?
survivalist
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Actually I don't think he looks like a puppet - rather, he looks like an extremely nervous human: fluttering eyes, long pauses, dry mouth, etc.
It's like someone was holding his family off-camera with a gun to their head, and he was trying to make a video to please the captors.
Martin-O
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I would guess around the time when he made the infamous "rue the day" remark.
I would also speculate that this is just the beginning of a series of videos, in an attempt to throw everybody under the bus who he thinks belongs to the inner circle of the ASC. He has started off with Lawrence Wright and he will end up with a special series on Tony Ortega.
Churchill
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Agreed.
The intro video definitely reminded me of a hostage video.
The lies are blatant and have gone from spurting to gushing.
Marty absolutely knows he's lying.
I just can't see this ending well for him.
ILove2Lurk
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Newspaper article excerpt:
Source:
My brother told me years ago in the early days of cordless phones
(80's - early 2000's) this was not difficult to do. Rather easy actually
and very common.
Marty was lying or is suffering from memory loss in the video.
Newspaper article excerpt:
Broeker was done. He set out for the Rockies.
Miscavige wanted him watched, said Rathbun, who arranged for two private investigators to find and stay on Broeker.
One became a drinking buddy and gave Broeker a cordless phone as a Christmas gift.
In the early 1990s, before cordless phones became sophisticated, conversations could be monitored via a police
scanner from a block or two away. It was a legal practice.
"Dave loved this idea,'' Rathbun said. "He wanted to hear as many conversations as he could with Pat. We recorded
all his conversations for probably a year. We knew everything he was up to.''
Broeker relocated to Wyoming, and the PIs followed.
One became a drinking buddy and gave Broeker a cordless phone as a Christmas gift.
In the early 1990s, before cordless phones became sophisticated, conversations could be monitored via a police
scanner from a block or two away. It was a legal practice.
"Dave loved this idea,'' Rathbun said. "He wanted to hear as many conversations as he could with Pat. We recorded
all his conversations for probably a year. We knew everything he was up to.''
Broeker relocated to Wyoming, and the PIs followed.
Source:
My brother told me years ago in the early days of cordless phones
(80's - early 2000's) this was not difficult to do. Rather easy actually
and very common.
Marty was lying or is suffering from memory loss in the video.
survivalist
Patron
Throwing Karen de le Carriere under the bus (as he does in Part 6) is particularly disgraceful, given her extensive financial support at a time when he needed it. http://disq.us/p/1gzpboc
Is he ever going to tell us who the troika is?
TheOriginalBigBlue
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Type4_PTS
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Given what's transpired in recent years I doubt that Miscavige will EVER trust Marty again to the point where he'll put him in a position of trust.
Marty can do A to E seven times over but will never capture his #2 position within the CoS back, certainly not within the next 75 trillion years.
To me it seems obvious that yeah, Marty sold out and did a deal with Miscavige, which I'm sure benefits both of them. A LOT.
And while he might utilize Marty for certain things given his previous experience, I doubt that Marty will ever go back to the INT base, or even be allowed to be directly connected to regular scientologists again.
Hubbard's policy on SP's requires that one always leaves the door open a crack for them, but I doubt after exposing Miscavige, Scientology, and the CoS in the way that Marty did on his blog for years, he cannot ever go back to the way things were before.
Marty may have a comfortable retirement from the arrangement they made, but from a Scientological point of view - he's lost his "eternity". But given all he's written in recent years, I doubt he cares. He knows that the promises from Hubbard aren't worth a wooden nickel. But he'll just wear the hat of Puppet and say whatever Miscavige wants him to say as on these videos.
Karen#1
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Okay, I will clarify further LIES, SPIN and CLAPTRAP on Marty Video #8 on Going Clear.
Marty and I were having an elegant dinner in Los Angeles.
The subject of DM violence was being discussed.
I told Marty about Miscavige punching his pc at this dinner. Never *EVER* did I ask him to post it on his blog and in fact I told him I WAS NOT GOING TO POST IT in comments on the blog as it could be seen that I had an axe to grind on Miscavige, who's many crimes I have posted and re-posted.
3 weeks AFTER sharing this anecdote with Marty, an Aussie from down under, someone I had no connection with, came out of nowhere and posted this story on Marty's blog.
Now, that someone ELSE independently of me, reported it, I went right in and posted my anecdote.
Although Marty likes to think he was THERE for everything, Marty only joined the Sea Org in 1978. He was not even IN Scientology when the incident occurred in the early 1970s.
Ervin Scott known as "Scottie" was the MOST reluctant witness of all. He did not want to be involved in this at all. He did not seek fame contrary to further LIES and SPIN from Rathbun.
Scottie was pushed and pushed by his friend Roy Selby to talk to Larry Wright this and he eventually spoke to Larry through persuasion.
Scottie Irvin lived at 9 Portland Road, East Grinstead which was THE boarding room house for those at Saint Hill.
He was there right through this incident and gained absolute didlysquat by bringing forward his story.
Scottie reported that the female came out of session with Miscavige hunched over holding her stomach sobbing on the way to exams. (after the punching)
Marty is grandstanding to say "I never heard of Ervin Scott " Rathbun knew NONE of the 1970's St. Hill Scientologists. Rathbun was NOT in a position to know. He did not join Scientology Inc. til years later.
These lies have my contempt.
Marty and I were having an elegant dinner in Los Angeles.
The subject of DM violence was being discussed.
I told Marty about Miscavige punching his pc at this dinner. Never *EVER* did I ask him to post it on his blog and in fact I told him I WAS NOT GOING TO POST IT in comments on the blog as it could be seen that I had an axe to grind on Miscavige, who's many crimes I have posted and re-posted.
3 weeks AFTER sharing this anecdote with Marty, an Aussie from down under, someone I had no connection with, came out of nowhere and posted this story on Marty's blog.
Now, that someone ELSE independently of me, reported it, I went right in and posted my anecdote.
Although Marty likes to think he was THERE for everything, Marty only joined the Sea Org in 1978. He was not even IN Scientology when the incident occurred in the early 1970s.
Ervin Scott known as "Scottie" was the MOST reluctant witness of all. He did not want to be involved in this at all. He did not seek fame contrary to further LIES and SPIN from Rathbun.
Scottie was pushed and pushed by his friend Roy Selby to talk to Larry Wright this and he eventually spoke to Larry through persuasion.
Scottie Irvin lived at 9 Portland Road, East Grinstead which was THE boarding room house for those at Saint Hill.
He was there right through this incident and gained absolute didlysquat by bringing forward his story.
Scottie reported that the female came out of session with Miscavige hunched over holding her stomach sobbing on the way to exams. (after the punching)
Marty is grandstanding to say "I never heard of Ervin Scott " Rathbun knew NONE of the 1970's St. Hill Scientologists. Rathbun was NOT in a position to know. He did not join Scientology Inc. til years later.
These lies have my contempt.
TheOriginalBigBlue
Gold Meritorious Patron
I'd be nervous. What's to keep the Church from reneging on any deal once they got all the self inflicted Dead Agenting vids? With no credibility left what would he do? Put out a bunch of vids on how the vids were a pretense?
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OURSTANDING!
That's the one!
So, Marty probably figures: "Well, the check was not from David Miscavige; it was from an account of some lawyer and/or corporate entity that I never heard of. So I feel quite F/Ney about not breaking my sacred oath!"
OURSTANDING! That's the one!
So, Marty probably figures: "Well, the check was not from David Miscavige; it was from an account of some lawyer and/or corporate entity that I never heard of. So I feel quite F/Ney about not breaking my sacred oath!"
JustSheila
Crusader
Sorry, I answered you too fast. The name Doug Cameron was in the Google search cache version. I don't see it at the actual site link I gave you that gave the cache, either, sorry, I should have looked more closely at the original. You're right, it's not there. :confused2: Maybe edited out? Maybe a false tag name? IDK. Sorry bout that.
Here is the original Anderson Report published 28 Nov 1963 in full, if that helps:
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/audit/ar01.html
After the original Melbourne Inquiry in 1963, there were various legal rebuttals and appeals to it. A suit was brought against Anderson and others in 1971. 1972 was, from what I could find, the very last time there was a legal challenge concerning it (Hubbard Association of Scientologists International v Anderson and Just (No 2) [1972] VR 577) when the Victorian Parliament passed special legislation to give the two immunity from these writs.
That didn't stop the notorious convicted FBI infiltrator, Jane Kember, former Guardian WW of the Church of Scientology from attempting to have the report removed from a library in 1973, though. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_Report
If Marty's references to the Anderson Report is based on Jane Kember's version of events, he might consider using authorities who aren't former felons convicted of espionage against the US government.
Marty is probably using Scientology's own published spin on this, which is here: https://books.google.com/books?id=_...ved=0ahUKEwjpnarFr77UAhWD8CYKHQZKCXUQ6AEIKDAASo back to Cameron, I'm pretty sure I've finally found who this is and what Marty is yacking on about. Dr. Donald Ewan Cameron (known as Dr. D Ewan Cameron or Ewan Cameron) was a Scottish psychiatrist who worked on "Project MK Ultra" experimenting with LSD and ECT as well as hypnotic methods on actual people. Really sick stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra Cameron was sued by his former patients in the 80s. Dr. Donald Ewan Cameron was
SEE ALSO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron
So Marty is, I suppose, trying to force some tenous connection between Cameron and Hubbard and Scientology and the Victorian Inquiry ... but it's just not there. He must be reading some sort of Scientology propaganda script they provided him or like I said, he's really gone over the deep end. He always did seem to have a confusion between psychiatry and psychology (most Scientologists do, you know) and there was a Psychological Practices Act in effect in Melbourne at the time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scien...5_Victorian_Board_of_Inquiry_into_Scientology
Nothing to do with the notorious Dr. Cameron. Marty's got this all screwed up, as usual.
Marty's possibly having a fit about THIS Tony Ortega article regarding Steve Cannane and the Melbourne Inquiry: http://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/st...book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/
So there you go. I took my time with this and when I do, I'm thorough, a real detail nut. I hope this info helps.
Added: Here is the detailed Wiki reference on the Victoria Board of Inquiry, where Dax is mentioned in the first sentence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scien...5_Victorian_Board_of_Inquiry_into_Scientology
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Las Vegas oddsmakers say you are right and that the COS will use these as part of their "DEAD AGENT PACKS" to handle media, doubters, disaffected parishioners, blows and Scientology public/staff that are covertly reading the internet.
And it's presented as: "When he debunks Scientology's SP enemies, even the world's biggest lying SP Marty Rathbun is not lying!!!"
Then they will have the parishioner join them in prayer by standing and applauding a wall photo.
Lulu Belle
Moonbat
He's up to Part 11 now.
How many parts do you figure will be posted by Thursday at 2:00?
How many parts do you figure will be posted by Thursday at 2:00?
JustSheila
Crusader
Marty states on Part 7, at 2:38:
"At St. Hill"... "He said there were Messengers running messages back and forth. There was no such thing as the Commodores Messenger Org in 1972 anywhere but on the Apollo, on the ship in the Mediterranean."
Not that big mouth Rathbun was even in the SEA ORG until 1978 (and only involved with scn for a short time as public before that), but ... RILEY?
There clearly was a children's land-based work force of Sea Org members in 1972. Whether they were called Cadets or Messengers makes no difference. It was the same thing, a separate children's work force to serve L Ron Hubbard and Scientology. Yes, the cute little kids in SO uniforms were there in 1972 running messages back and forth. So you're wrong again, Marty. Yes, in 1972 the SO children messengers were there on land - at St Hill and at Flag.
By 1974, there was an RPF estabished for it, so the kids wouldn't miss out on the severe degradation and punishment:
And L Ron said he never had a second wife, so maybe in your next vid you'll tell us that, too.
Keep goin', Marty...
"At St. Hill"... "He said there were Messengers running messages back and forth. There was no such thing as the Commodores Messenger Org in 1972 anywhere but on the Apollo, on the ship in the Mediterranean."
Not that big mouth Rathbun was even in the SEA ORG until 1978 (and only involved with scn for a short time as public before that), but ... RILEY?
There clearly was a children's land-based work force of Sea Org members in 1972. Whether they were called Cadets or Messengers makes no difference. It was the same thing, a separate children's work force to serve L Ron Hubbard and Scientology. Yes, the cute little kids in SO uniforms were there in 1972 running messages back and forth. So you're wrong again, Marty. Yes, in 1972 the SO children messengers were there on land - at St Hill and at Flag.
By 1974, there was an RPF estabished for it, so the kids wouldn't miss out on the severe degradation and punishment:
And L Ron said he never had a second wife, so maybe in your next vid you'll tell us that, too.
Keep goin', Marty...
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Little David
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From Tony Ortega and Gary “Jackson” Morehead on listening to cell phones with radio scanners:
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“I was set up in a Holiday Inn and provided equipment by Ben Shaw,” Gary told us last night by telephone. “I sat there all day. That’s all I did for a solid week.”
And what was he doing there? “I had scanners provided by OSA. I was listening for Jan Simms talking to her parents.”
And how would you do that, Gary?
“I knew the frequencies for cordless phones and cell phones,” he says. He sat there, listening in on phone conversations, for days and days.
Marty Rathbun, in his latest video, says this never happened. After calling Morehead “goofy,” he quotes from Lawrence Wright’s book about Gary spying on phone calls.
“He says in here that they were using scanners to listen to cell phone calls,” Marty says. “I got news. A scanner will not net you the content of a telephone call. Either Gary is into this embellishment for fame or Wright has invented this.”
“Marty doesn’t know what he’s talking about,” Gary tells us. “First of all, OSA had a closet full of equipment for listening in on conversations. That’s where I learned how to do it. I saw the closet and I saw the equipment, and Ben Shaw and I learned how to do it. I was listening to cordless phones and cell phones. Just like we could call an airport and get information on a passenger, the technology had got ahead of the security.”
Gary explains that for a limited number of years, the scanners were more sophisticated than the phones they were eavesdropping on. And he says that Marty knew full well what they were capable of at that time, in the late 1980s.
“I’m surprised he would even say something like that. And he called me goofy? Wow. Well I guess that ain’t too bad, huh?” Gary says with a laugh. (We’ve never heard Gary Morehead sound angry about anything, ever.)
Gary explained that US scanners had restrictions in some frequencies, so as part of his job with Scientology, he purchased a Uniden Bearcat 3000 XLT in Canada, where those frequencies weren’t restricted.
“I still have it!” he said, and then photographed the scanner and sent it to us, as you can see above.
That, in the business, is what we call “dox,” for documented proof. And in his videos, Marty repeatedly proves that he has none.
more at http://tonyortega.org/2017/06/14/ma...ord-on-scientolog-spying-but-we-have-the-dox/
[/FONT]And what was he doing there? “I had scanners provided by OSA. I was listening for Jan Simms talking to her parents.”
And how would you do that, Gary?
“I knew the frequencies for cordless phones and cell phones,” he says. He sat there, listening in on phone conversations, for days and days.
Marty Rathbun, in his latest video, says this never happened. After calling Morehead “goofy,” he quotes from Lawrence Wright’s book about Gary spying on phone calls.
“He says in here that they were using scanners to listen to cell phone calls,” Marty says. “I got news. A scanner will not net you the content of a telephone call. Either Gary is into this embellishment for fame or Wright has invented this.”
“Marty doesn’t know what he’s talking about,” Gary tells us. “First of all, OSA had a closet full of equipment for listening in on conversations. That’s where I learned how to do it. I saw the closet and I saw the equipment, and Ben Shaw and I learned how to do it. I was listening to cordless phones and cell phones. Just like we could call an airport and get information on a passenger, the technology had got ahead of the security.”
Gary explains that for a limited number of years, the scanners were more sophisticated than the phones they were eavesdropping on. And he says that Marty knew full well what they were capable of at that time, in the late 1980s.
“I’m surprised he would even say something like that. And he called me goofy? Wow. Well I guess that ain’t too bad, huh?” Gary says with a laugh. (We’ve never heard Gary Morehead sound angry about anything, ever.)
Gary explained that US scanners had restrictions in some frequencies, so as part of his job with Scientology, he purchased a Uniden Bearcat 3000 XLT in Canada, where those frequencies weren’t restricted.
“I still have it!” he said, and then photographed the scanner and sent it to us, as you can see above.
That, in the business, is what we call “dox,” for documented proof. And in his videos, Marty repeatedly proves that he has none.
more at http://tonyortega.org/2017/06/14/ma...ord-on-scientolog-spying-but-we-have-the-dox/
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He's up to Part 11 now.
How many parts do you figure will be posted by Thursday at 2:00?
While watching this one I realized that if Marty had only read the information about Wright interviewing multiple sources it would become clear to him where Wright might have gotten some of his material.
Who is Marty talking to in these videos?
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