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SomeGuy

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Thing is, people are mixed bags. I don't believe in vilifying someone who's an FZer. That's the kind of shit the cult does and it would not be very nice to see people emulating the cult.

I think it's a mirror function of scientology. Lron saw everything in black and white and the critics of scientology respond in kind.

In reality the world and people are much more complex then good / bad. In my experience thus far those who've been indoctrinated into scientology have a tough time with that concept.

It's why I think you see vilification on all sides.

Just my opinion on the subject.
 
More than questionable. Direct lies, indirect manipulations; conscious distraction; deliberate bullshit.

Mike has played a far less activist role, and, at the beginning at least, there seemed to be some hope for him. After all, it was Mike who announced that he knew enough to put David Miscavige behind bars, and that he would do so once his 'exclusive' (which never existed) with the BBC was over.

In the meantime, he's on-board with Marty's game plan and lie, pushing the party line and being a willing shill for the 'New Reality'.

He does seem like a more straightforward person than Marty, but, that just limits the areas he's pro-actively lying in. Mike's a nice guy? Probably. He's also a flunky with little interest in truth. Like he was for Co$.

Zinj
The main difference I see between Rinder and Rathbun is; Rinder is not looking to be a cult leader and thus not interested building a following. I think he was a loyal servant to Miscavige because he truly bought into the cult, where as I think Marty might have bought into the cult, but he loved the power of his position within the cult far more and than the cult itself and obtaining a position of power and influence is his true motivation.

I can understand why their main goal is to see Miscavige taken away in handcuffs, they were his personal whipping boys for practically their entire adult lives and want him to pay for it. I would rather have them focus on taking down the system which created Miscavige and exposing it for what it really is, but I've come to accept they are not interested in that so I've given up on expecting them to do so.

At some point I think Rinder will accept Scientology and Hubbard for what they really are, but Rathbun is still looking to make a career out of Scientology and Hubbard, so unless he hits the lottery, I doubt his motivation will ever change.
 

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I can understand why their main goal is to see Miscavige taken away in handcuffs, they were his personal whipping boys for practically their entire adult lives and want him to pay for it.

There is no evidence that Mike/Marty want to see Miscavige 'taken away in handcuffs' and plenty of evidence that that's exactly what they do *not* want.

As Mike has said, and is also true for Marty; they could do that with a single honest word. They *choose* not to, although Mike at least promised it, before he synchronized his 'message'.

Zinj
 
There is no evidence that Mike/Marty want to see Miscavige 'taken away in handcuffs' and plenty of evidence that that's exactly what they do *not* want.

As Mike has said, and is also true for Marty; they could do that with a single honest word. They *choose* not to, although Mike at least promised it, before he synchronized his 'message'.

Zinj

I think what they meant, is they do not want to see themselves taken away in handcuffs along with Miscavige, but I'm sure they would love nothing more than to see him be indited for something which happen after they left.
 

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Obviously Marty Rathbun would like to position himself as Davey's 'OpTerm' (although, he's coy enough to publicly deny that while promoting the perception.) That's what all the 'Church of Miscavige is Dead' talk is about. 'Ignore It' is the message; supposedly because OpTerming means becoming the 'same'. Bullshit.

So, at the same time, Marty is positioning himself and his 'Independent movement' as the only real opposition to Miscavige, while he tells everyone he wants them to ignore Miscavige, because 'things are going on that you can't know about'.

It's easy to swallow the 'He's just afraid to be caught up in the arrests' story, but, really, what have Marty and his 'movement' done to damage Miscavige or his 'Church' at all? Meaning, something that wasn't *already* done and already being done and something they couldn't possibly *stop*, such as the revelations of physical abuse and corruption of the IAS etc.?

None of that was *originated* by Rathbun (or Rinder); they merely jumped on the bandwagon and claimed it as their own. What have they done? 'Gotten people out'? But, all they've really done is collect people who got *themselves* out and keep them from getting too *far* out.

No; any indictment of Miscavige, even for crimes committed *after* Marty and Mike left will inevitably lead to previous crimes. Davey can't be convicted without opening much wider avenues of investigation.

Why would you believe what Marty *claims* to be doing? What is it that you *think* he's claiming to be doing? I've been reading his swill since he went public. Nowhere has he clearly stated what his goal is. He's merely allowed the maximum number of people to 'dub in' what they *think* he's got planned, so that he can play 'leader' without answering 'quo vadis?'

Zinj
 
Obviously Marty Rathbun would like to position himself as Davey's 'OpTerm' (although, he's coy enough to publicly deny that while promoting the perception.) That's what all the 'Church of Miscavige is Dead' talk is about. 'Ignore It' is the message; supposedly because OpTerming means becoming the 'same'. Bullshit.

So, at the same time, Marty is positioning himself and his 'Independent movement' as the only real opposition to Miscavige, while he tells everyone he wants them to ignore Miscavige, because 'things are going on that you can't know about'.

It's easy to swallow the 'He's just afraid to be caught up in the arrests' story, but, really, what have Marty and his 'movement' done to damage Miscavige or his 'Church' at all? Meaning, something that wasn't *already* done and already being done and something they couldn't possibly *stop*, such as the revelations of physical abuse and corruption of the IAS etc.?

None of that was *originated* by Rathbun (or Rinder); they merely jumped on the bandwagon and claimed it as their own. What have they done? 'Gotten people out'? But, all they've really done is collect people who got *themselves* out and keep them from getting too *far* out.

No; any indictment of Miscavige, even for crimes committed *after* Marty and Mike left will inevitably lead to previous crimes. Davey can't be convicted without opening much wider avenues of investigation.

Why would you believe what Marty *claims* to be doing? What is it that you *think* he's claiming to be doing? I've been reading his swill since he went public. Nowhere has he clearly stated what his goal is. He's merely allowed the maximum number of people to 'dub in' what they *think* he's got planned, so that he can play 'leader' without answering 'quo vadis?'

Zinj

To a certain extent I agree, but he could have just as easily played the "squirreling the tech" card and various other cult related nonsense that nobody outside of Hubbard's mind fuck cares about, but he's publicly accused Miscavige of various criminal activities such as assault, battery, misuse of funds, unlawful imprisonment, and so on while very carefully sheltering Hubbard's cult and himself from the accusations, maybe nothing will come of it, but it certainly is enough to raise a few eyebrows in federal law enforcement circles around the globe and continues to be a thorn in the side of the cult. I doubt Marty's intentions were to have the cult lose it's tax exempt status and he's played practically no part in it, but it seems the momentum is moving in that direction and his testimony along with Rinder's recent comments about the control and use of ISA funds can push the momentum even further in that direction. All three of them should be sitting in prison cells as far as I'm concerned, but as long as their actions continue to cause the cult to spend millions deflecting the bad PR, it's not all bad.
 

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At least he is predictable....

Then......

JOURNALIST
Did David Miscavige beat you senseless?

MIKE
"That is rubbish! Utter rubbish. Mr. Miscavige
never beat me. RUBBISH!"​

Now........

JOURNALIST
Did Ron Hubbard beat you senseless?

MIKE
"That is rubbish! Utter rubbish. Mr. Hubbard
never beat me senseless. I still have enough
sense to know that he is our savior!​
 
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