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Emma

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I'm stealing this from Glibby on OCMB.

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=106078

wth_promo.jpg


Glibby says:

Busted!

Here's the original story where the real photo came from:

http://www.forthoodsentinel.com/story.php?id=9541&fb_source=message

How fucking disgusting!!!! :angry:
 

Pooks

MERCHANT OF CHAOS
The cult has a long history of ripping off other people's work and presenting it as their own. They've been exposed and smacked for it so many times, you'd think they'd learn.

Bunch of dopes.
 

FoTi

Crusader
The cult has a long history of ripping off other people's work and presenting it as their own. They've been exposed and smacked for it so many times, you'd think they'd learn.

Bunch of dopes.

Scientology is the religion of plagiarismology. :eyeroll:
 

Gadfly

Crusader
The cult has a long history of ripping off other people's work and presenting it as their own. They've been exposed and smacked for it so many times, you'd think they'd learn.

Bunch of dopes.

:thumbsup:

Yeah, and it all started with HUBBARD!!!! :duh:

Hubbard was the original BAIT 'N SWITCH when it came to presenting the work of others as his own.
 

Student of Trinity

Silver Meritorious Patron
It's not even just that. I mean, if Scientology were really doing a good job of ripping off all the good stuff that had been done before, and putting it all together in a convenient system, that would really be worth something. Less than the hype, but still quite something.

But Scientology doesn't even do that. It misses a lot of the best stuff, screws up much of what it does steal, and it throws in a lot of toxic contaminants.

Scientology is not even conveniently packaged, in pedagogical terms. The ideas are not presented clearly and coherently so that one can easily understand them. Hubbard could write a good three-line paragraph, but he seems to have been far too lazy to ever go back and revise anything he had once written, to update his older stuff to bring it into coherence with later ideas. And so a lot of his ideas just morph confusingly into each other, even just between one PL and the next. A lot of Hubbard's individual pages seem quite clear and easy to follow, but his pieces just don't all fit together into one whole, because he never took the trouble to make them fit.

Scientology does seem to deliver on its promise of convenience in one sense, though. It's apparently quite easy to do. You show up, you get routed onto your courses, you do your drills. In dollars, Scientology costs a lot. But in the cost of spiritual labor to discern the right path to follow to improve oneself, Scientology is cheap. The path is clearly taped out. There's no need for any of that agonized seeking and struggling that other religions force you to do.

If you believe that Scientology works, as a brilliantly efficient systemization of Buddhism or something, then in this respect you might say that Scientology is the Model T of religions — enlightenment for the masses. If you're less impressed by Scientology, you'd maybe call it the fake Rolex of religions — a cheap knock-off product that only looks good on the surface and won't really do the job. So in a sense, yeah, the convenient packaging is there. The value of the packaged product is more debatable.
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
I have to wonder if they ever ask themselves why they have to try and trick people - why their offerings can't stand on their own merits. It seems like they won't rest until they've made themselves the most hated group on the planet. Gone are the halcyon days of "harmless whackjobs" - people are slowly waking up to the true darkness of the con. The piper's almost at the door.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Scientology is not even conveniently packaged, in pedagogical terms. The ideas are not presented clearly and coherently so that one can easily understand them. Hubbard could write a good three-line paragraph, but he seems to have been far too lazy to ever go back and revise anything he had once written, to update his older stuff to bring it into coherence with later ideas. And so a lot of his ideas just morph confusingly into each other, even just between one PL and the next. A lot of Hubbard's individual pages seem quite clear and easy to follow, but his pieces just don't all fit together into one whole, because he never took the trouble to make them fit.

The Scientology Handbook is a good editing job*. Clearbird's stuff is a good editing job too.

But yes, Hubbard didn't seem to give a fuck. One reason might be that in its disorganized state he could always blame others for any errors, but if he had put out a definitive version that was later proved to be wrong there would not be the same possibility for shifting the blame.

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*I'm talking about the quality of the editing, not the quality of the subject.

Paul
 

RogerB

Crusader
The Scientology Handbook is a good editing job*. Clearbird's stuff is a good editing job too.

But yes, Hubbard didn't seem to give a fuck. One reason might be that in its disorganized state he could always blame others for any errors, but if he had put out a definitive version that was later proved to be wrong there would not be the same possibility for shifting the blame.

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*I'm talking about the quality of the editing, not the quality of the subject.

Paul

When I look at the sum of the subject as presented; and which can be comparatively evaluated now it is in Red/Green Vols form (there was a time when we lived for the next "great breakthrough release of his wonders :duh:), I can't help see what a load of scatology it is.

The bastard just simply dumped his crap and blamed others along the way for actually doing what he had earlier stated/asked: as in the case of dropping Dn for the use of his "superior clearing material" of 1952 onwards $cn till '69.

He obviously dramatized and displayed is scattered mind and crazy nature with the way he presented his materials. The period 1961-'64 was utter chaos in terms of new tech release.

RogerB
 

Student of Trinity

Silver Meritorious Patron
One reason might be that in its disorganized state he could always blame others for any errors, but if he had put out a definitive version that was later proved to be wrong there would not be the same possibility for shifting the blame.
That sounds like a Bingo to me. A certain laziness is probably a survival instinct for cult leaders. It leads to a sort of intellectual divide-and-conquer effect. If you never unify your terminology, for instance, but keep around several different but overlapping concepts, letting them struggle as rivals, then your own presence as the authoritative arbiter is always required. It can't be usurped even if somebody else succeeds in clearly grasping one facet of your work, because in that case they'll still be at sea with the other facets, since in fact your facets are all subtly but thoroughly contradictory of each other. You'll remain the only one who can claim to understand it all, the only Source.
 

Patriot75

Patron
Bastards!!! Here is some contact for the Fort Hood Sentinel:

Editorial Offices
III Corps Public Affairs Office
III Corps Headquarters
Building 1001, Room W105
Fort Hood, TX 76544

Command Staff
Commanding General
Lt. Gen. Donald Campbell Jr.
III Corps Public Affairs Officer
Col. Ben Danner

Command Information Officer
Christie Vanover

Public Affairs Sergeant Major
Sgt. Maj. James Posten

Fort Hood Public Affairs Officer
Tom Rheinlander

Editorial Staff
Editor
David Larsen
[email protected]
287-9495

News Editor
Heather Graham-Ashley
[email protected]
285-6736

Design Editor
Dawn Pandoliano
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254-287-9581

Graphic Designer
Ila Stuart
[email protected]
287-0101

Sports Editor
Daniel Cernero
[email protected]
287-2436

Leisure Editor
Erin Rogers
[email protected]
285-6904

Business Staff
General Manager
Ray Reed
[email protected]
634-6666

Distribution Manager
Justin Peters
[email protected]
634-6666

Webmaster
Harry Forbess
[email protected]
774-5248
 
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secretiveoldfag

Silver Meritorious Patron
...

Hubbard could write a good three-line paragraph, but he seems to have been far too lazy to ever go back and revise anything he had once written, to update his older stuff to bring it into coherence with later ideas. And so a lot of his ideas just morph confusingly into each other, even just between one PL and the next. A lot of Hubbard's individual pages seem quite clear and easy to follow, but his pieces just don't all fit together into one whole, because he never took the trouble to make them fit.

....

My view on this is that he didn't give a monkey's fart. If his basic brain-washing tech worked well enough then people would literally believe ANYTHING, and enough of them did.

I believe he laughed all the way to the [strike] bank [/strike] cash deposit at how clever he was.
 

Man de la Mancha

Patron with Honors
Although it would obviously be most ethical to acknowledge and pay for the picture (or use different one if necessary), I don't see anything wrong with the message itself. It is the headline above the original photo on the right that is deceiving. Although ambiguous, I think it is highly likely to be construed as "Scientology is wrongfully taking credit for humanitarian works of others", which Scn Inc is clearly not trying to do with this picture (and if they were, then it is not evident from the material posted).

I know some of you don't like this type of post, but I cannot tolerate intellectual dishonesty. Based on what was posted (and other than kiping the photo, as alleged), Scn Inc didn't really do anything particularly objectionable with this picture. They're not using it to take credit for the Army's effort in Afghanistan, although it is an odd source considering circumstances.

Am I missing something here?
 

Student of Trinity

Silver Meritorious Patron
No, the CofS is not claiming to have given out WTH booklets in Afghanistan in particular. The "humanitarian activity" that they are falsely claiming is to have made children's eyes light up by giving them WTH booklets.

Stealing a photo is theft, but doctoring a photo is lying. And of all the things to lie about, this one seems particularly despicable. The picture they doctored is priceless. Getting some basic education to Afghan girls is one of the good things that a lot of people have died for over there. It's not an accident that the girl in the picture looks so happy. Stealing the image of that joy, to turn it into a lie for Scientology, is vile.
 

Man de la Mancha

Patron with Honors
No, the CofS is not claiming to have given out WTH booklets in Afghanistan in particular. The "humanitarian activity" that they are falsely claiming is to have made children's eyes light up by giving them WTH booklets.

Stealing a photo is theft, but doctoring a photo is lying. And of all the things to lie about, this one seems particularly despicable. The picture they doctored is priceless. Getting some basic education to Afghan girls is one of the good things that a lot of people have died for over there. It's not an accident that the girl in the picture looks so happy. Stealing the image of that joy, to turn it into a lie for Scientology, is vile.

Well said. It would certainly have been more ethical to stage a photo with a few Scientology Kids or paid models.
 

Axiom142

Gold Meritorious Patron
Although it would obviously be most ethical to acknowledge and pay for the picture (or use different one if necessary), I don't see anything wrong with the message itself. It is the headline above the original photo on the right that is deceiving. Although ambiguous, I think it is highly likely to be construed as "Scientology is wrongfully taking credit for humanitarian works of others", which Scn Inc is clearly not trying to do with this picture (and if they were, then it is not evident from the material posted).

I know some of you don't like this type of post, but I cannot tolerate intellectual dishonesty. Based on what was posted (and other than kiping the photo, as alleged), Scn Inc didn't really do anything particularly objectionable with this picture. They're not using it to take credit for the Army's effort in Afghanistan, although it is an odd source considering circumstances.

Am I missing something here?

Seriously, you don’t see anything objectionable here?

These lying SOBs steal (and let’s not forget that this is the same group that screams blue murder if any of their material gets copied and posted on the web, not to mention let their attack shysters loose) someone else’s photo and then doctor it to make it look as though a child is happy at receiving a copy of ‘The Way to Happiness’ (and probably ‘saved her life’ or something equally ridiculous) and that this is all because of the wonderful work that the CoS does in the community, while creating a new civilisation.

They are trying to make it look as though they have done something that they haven’t. This is lying. I personally find this very objectionable.

Axiom142
 
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