OT Abilities
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Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
Yes, surely. It's just different words for the same thing, so why worry?
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
There are those who claim that he has refused to let impartial third parties hold the proof while people took the test. I personally think he's as big a liar as Hubbard ever was, if not more.
Rmack
Van Allen Belt Sunbather
My OT experiences
Well, that was one interesting thread.
Before I post what I have experienced, I'd like to know if anyone has read old copies of a magazine-I think it was called "Advanced!" or something that had a section where people related OT ability stories.
Some of these stories where wild! People preventing crimes that they saw before they happened while exterior, reading minds, waking up people driving on the freeway half asleep, etc, etc.
Fundamentally, the belief that these things must really be happening to people who have "gone up the bridge" was the reason I was in $ci for the couple years I was (off and on from about 78 to 83, the last 6 months to about March, 1983 was at Flag as a renos worker supposedly working off my ASHO day freeloaders debt.).
I know that these sort of phenomenon are real, but I didn't see much of it in my time working for them.
My experience was that the highest processed people I ran into where the biggest candidates for what I was reading in $ci was a "suppressive".
BIG "out point" wouldn't you think?
Well, that was one interesting thread.
Before I post what I have experienced, I'd like to know if anyone has read old copies of a magazine-I think it was called "Advanced!" or something that had a section where people related OT ability stories.
Some of these stories where wild! People preventing crimes that they saw before they happened while exterior, reading minds, waking up people driving on the freeway half asleep, etc, etc.
Fundamentally, the belief that these things must really be happening to people who have "gone up the bridge" was the reason I was in $ci for the couple years I was (off and on from about 78 to 83, the last 6 months to about March, 1983 was at Flag as a renos worker supposedly working off my ASHO day freeloaders debt.).
I know that these sort of phenomenon are real, but I didn't see much of it in my time working for them.
My experience was that the highest processed people I ran into where the biggest candidates for what I was reading in $ci was a "suppressive".
BIG "out point" wouldn't you think?
It was the first page I turned to - I actually looked forward to reading that stuff. The stories ranged from "Yeah, right!" to "Oooh!" to "So what?"
My favourite was a guy who came home to find some plants had been stolen.
He asked a tree, who sent him a facsimile of what had happened. He recognised the guy in the fac, went round to his house to confront him, and the guy owned up and returned the plants. I just like the idea of communicating with trees.
I met an OTVIII once who told me that a tree had once told him a story, but he didn't tell me what the story was. 
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Read some of Cleve Backster's stuff. I read his book on "Primary Perception". It contains copies of his lie-detector chart print-outs hooked up to living organisms of different kinds (plants, yoghurt etc.) that support his stories. The interview at this link is fascinating: http://www.derrickjensen.org/backster.html
Paul
Very interesting article - thanks Paul.
Axiom142
Gold Meritorious Patron
Rmack, yes I used to enjoy reading those stories as well.
However, I do think that some of the people recounting these ‘wins’ were a bit delusional.
For example, there was one a couple of years ago where someone talked about changing the path of hurricanes. They said that they had done one of the OT levels and had all these new abilities. Then, one day they became aware of a hurricane travelling towards a populated island. So, they just used their OT powers to divert it out to sea so that no one was harmed.
Now, a dedicated Scientologist would probably say “Isn’t that fantastic, all those people saved. This proves that Scientology works!”
What I would say, being the rather sceptical and cynical person that I am is: “Well, if you can do that, why didn’t you divert Hurricane Katrina out to sea and save over 2,000 people? Or, do you consider that these were just ‘wogs’ and not worth saving. Tosser!”
Sometimes people really come up with a load of bollocks!
Also, another person came up with a story about how they wanted to have a new tree in their garden. So, one night there was a storm and they awoke to find that a large tree, complete with root ball, had washed down the hill into their garden, ready for transplanting!
I would point out to that person that this tree must have come from someone else’s garden, so weren’t they using their OT powers to steal someone else’s property? How is that different to going round there with a digger and just digging it up?
I’m also rather amused by the ones where people say something like: “I could perceive that something bad was going to happen, so I put out some OT anchor points to remove the enturbulation and everything worked out OK!” Yay, another win. Of course, there’s no evidence, is there?
Oh dear, I’m beginning to sound like Mr Angry. Better do something to cheer myself up. I know, I’ll go and bullbait Tansy again!
Axiom142
Knox Harrington
Patron
Hey Fluff. You got any links or anything? I'm not sure what you mean by "hold the proof". I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but the things I have read about him and the video I've seen so far have given me the impression that he's an intelligent guy and his offer/challenge is quite legit.
Pierrot
Patron with Honors
Thanks for this link - enjoyed reading it. Very parallel and close to Radionics.
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Glad you liked it.
Yes, in terms of they both deal in subtle energies, as does dowsing, but Backster's research seems to me to have far more scientific rigour to it than the Radionics research I've seen.
Paul
Pierrot
Patron with Honors
Glad you liked it.
Yes, in terms of they both deal in subtle energies, as does dowsing, but Backster's research seems to me to have far more scientific rigour to it than the Radionics research I've seen.
Paul
now that this reminded me about Radionics - I've read years ago an old book (which I'm looking after, someone borrowed it and it vanished) where the Author described the process of "discovering" Radionics, and the writing was following similar thinking process and rigour as described in this article. Hopefully I'll find it somewhere on the net. Yes - the "repeatability" thing amongst others.
Mick Wenlock
Admin Emeritus (retired)
wow Fluffy that is hilarious - you did not answer the question! Did you actually have anything in the way of a reference of any kind? How about any proof of any lind of the supposed "lies"?
Here's an idea - anyone who thin he or she has "OT abilities" can apply for the prize - why don;t they go ahead and we can document all the "lies"??
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
This isn't proof of anything, but it's a link on the subject:
http://www.mind-energy.net/archives/163-About-the-James-Randi-Million-dollar-challenge.html
Paul
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
Hi, Mick,
Months ago, I did do a post on ARS about it with what very few refs I could find. And you know what? I came up short. Totally short. And I admitted it. It's nothing I can prove.
That's exactly why I presented it as my opinion and I made damn sure to specifically mention that it was.
I can pull all sorts of opinions out my ass, and I often do.
My god, I'm a wonderful being. And so specific. Now bow down before me.
Months ago, I did do a post on ARS about it with what very few refs I could find. And you know what? I came up short. Totally short. And I admitted it. It's nothing I can prove.
That's exactly why I presented it as my opinion and I made damn sure to specifically mention that it was.
I can pull all sorts of opinions out my ass, and I often do.
My god, I'm a wonderful being. And so specific. Now bow down before me.
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
I honestly don't remember. I do recall there was someone who claimed ( and I don't know if it was the audiophile guy or Ed Dames. I rather think it was a female) that they were going to take the challenge and they wanted a neutral third party to hold onto whatever verification or control data there was, and that Randi allegedly wouldn't do it and the person backed out of the challenge.
Of course they could be lying.
But so can Randi be lying about things. I personally think he'll do anything to make sure that no one ever wins that challenge. It's personal opinion only.
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
I can pull all sorts of opinions out my ass, and I often do.
My god, I'm a wonderful being. And so specific. Now bow down before me.
But mind your head with all the stuff she's pulling out.
Paul
Mick Wenlock
Admin Emeritus (retired)
Hi, Mick,
Months ago, I did do a post on ARS about it with what very few refs I could find. And you know what? I came up short. Totally short. And I admitted it. It's nothing I can prove.
That's exactly why I presented it as my opinion and I made damn sure to specifically mention that it was.
I can pull all sorts of opinions out my ass, and I often do.
My god, I'm a wonderful being. And so specific. Now bow down before me.
now THAT was one hellaciously fine piece of answering fluffles!!
Sometimes Fluffy - you rock.
Cat's Squirrel
Gold Meritorious Patron
One thing I do know is that he no longer accepts clains from unknowns. To qualify for the Randi challenge you've got to have some kind of media profile as a practitioner of your chosen subject or discipline.