OTIII?

[RolandRB]

Freet 43, To answer your question, OT III is unlike other levels. It is not something you had to be here then to now be the effect of. In other words, the incident of 75 million years ago caused an effect that being here now makes you the effect of, but you did not have to be here then, to need to run it out. It has to do with other factors. It sorts out dynamic confusions, and people get great wins from it. One thing I noticed afterwards was I no longer minded being in large crowds, or standing in line. It gave me so much more personal comfort and peace in those situations. I also saw the environment and other people differently. I realized the things that make people on Earth so crazy are mostly beyond their control. The current society is very heavily influenced by what is run out on OT III. Mike

Reminds me of the "great wins" Roger Gonnet got from OT III until he discovered that it was incorrectly translated into French.

 

[Terril park]

Well I'll put my two cents out in the hope its helpfull. I never really believed the OT 3 story, at best accepted it as a working hypothesis. Its not really central to the auditing one does on OT 2&3. Though some may disagree here.

My experience was that these levels worked, and OT 2 has been my favorite bridge level. I experienced a wonderful phenomenon described by Alan. A BT may be a humble BT or a god. I separated from someone who must have been at least theta clear on OT 2. And experienced the greatest affinity flows I can recall. I was the guardian angel who rescued another with my limited tech knowledge. Initially I thought the reverse of course. OT 3 worked well also.

Been posting success stories for many years. In the FZ virtually all get great wins on these two levels. I have lots of comm lines, and I only heard of
two in the FZ who didn't do so well, although initially they had great wins on OT 2. It seems there were not clear, and they got problems later.

Just do what it says on the can. It works.

 

[Veda]

Well I'll put my two cents out in the hope its helpfull. I never really believed the OT 3 story, at best accepted it as a working hypothesis. Its not really central to the auditing one does on OT 2&3. Though some may disagree here.

My experience was that these levels worked, and OT 2 has been my favorite bridge level. I experienced a wonderful phenomenon described by Alan. A BT may be a humble BT or a god. I separated from someone who must have been at least theta clear on OT 2. And experienced the greatest affinity flows I can recall. I was the guardian angel who rescued another with my limited tech knowledge. Initially I thought the reverse of course. OT 3 worked well also.

Been posting success stories for many years. In the FZ virtually all get great wins on these two levels. I have lots of comm lines, and I only heard of
two in the FZ who didn't do so well, although initially they had great wins on OT 2. It seems there were not clear, and they got problems later.

Just do what it says on the can. It works.

Those who cannot audit will seek out such things as "OT 2" and "OT 3" as substitutes.

There's a very big difference between actual auditing, and being *told* the contents of ones own mind, and then watching an e-meter respond.

E-meters measure stess and release of stress; they are not "truth meters."

One concern is that with some people's emphasis on the Auditors Code-violating part of 'counseling'; the more valid and worthwile - and more challenging aspects of true counseling - will be discredited.

Whatever ones view, hopefully there is some recognition that there is a difference between actual auditing ("ARC Straightwire," "Grade O processes," etc., "Hello and OK," "Remedy of Scarcity," "Spacation," etc. etc. etc.), and the likes of OT 2 and OT 3.

 

[RolandRB]

Well I'll put my two cents out in the hope its helpfull. I never really believed the OT 3 story, at best accepted it as a working hypothesis. Its not really central to the auditing one does on OT 2&3. Though some may disagree here.

My experience was that these levels worked, and OT 2 has been my favorite bridge level. I experienced a wonderful phenomenon described by Alan. A BT may be a humble BT or a god. I separated from someone who must have been at least theta clear on OT 2. And experienced the greatest affinity flows I can recall. I was the guardian angel who rescued another with my limited tech knowledge. Initially I thought the reverse of course. OT 3 worked well also.

Been posting success stories for many years. In the FZ virtually all get great wins on these two levels. I have lots of comm lines, and I only heard of
two in the FZ who didn't do so well, although initially they had great wins on OT 2. It seems there were not clear, and they got problems later.

Just do what it says on the can. It works.

If later OT levels involved eating dog turds with ice cream then I am sure there would be many who would rave about the incredible wins to be had on those levels. Once you swallow the OT III crap science-fiction then Hubbard knew he had them hooked. He didn't have to try very hard after that point and from the repeat BT handlings he didn't even try a little to get the chumps to hand over their money and their lives to him while applauding his image.

 

[OHTEEATE]

Terril Park, OT 2 was the first time I felt like a "big kid" being let in on the "good stuff". The old poor quality confidential film of LRH showing how it is run was great. I liked 2, and ran it as far as I could keep it reading. It made the hair stand up on the bck of my neck, the charge was so strong. Read after read, day after day, charge that strong, then it began to discharge more and more, and finally it was time to move on to III. I was really glad I had fully discharged 2 when I got to 3.
I just want to say to the "it doesn't work" crowd, in the immortal words of Arnold Swartzenneger, "talk to the hand".

 

[RolandRB]

Terril Park, OT 2 was the first time I felt like a "big kid" being let in on the "good stuff". The old poor quality confidential film of LRH showing how it is run was great. I liked 2, and ran it as far as I could keep it reading. It made the hair stand up on the bck of my neck, the charge was so strong. Read after read, day after day, charge that strong, then it began to discharge more and more, and finally it was time to move on to III. I was really glad I had fully discharged 2 when I got to 3.
I just want to say to the "it doesn't work" crowd, in the immortal words of Arnold Swartzenneger, "talk to the hand".

Good suggestion. The "hand" would have more intelligence than the "head" in this case.

 

[Richiedagger]

I had a thought about this...

The thing that drove me most to get up the OT levels was the fact that I was promised and given the idea that I had "super-human, super-being" powers that the OT levels would unlock and provide. That I was actually "god-like" in native state as a thetan.

In reflecting back on thinking this way I realized that people need to just get over the fact that you really won't find out what happens in the after-life until after you die. That's how it is, and how it always will be. No matter how far we move forward scientifically, I believe that that's just one of the rules of life that will remain unchanged and a mystery.

Now that I'm no longer obsessed about "regaining" my super-human powers and no longer afraid of death (a natural stage we will all experience), I am so much happier in life. Sounds like a success story .

My personal feelings about past lives (which could be real or possibly not) is that the idea was created by humans who were afraid of death. The idea that you have lived before or will live again makes death a lot easier to swallow for those afraid of it. We should just enjoy life while we're living it and we'll find out what happens when it's our time to go. There's nothing wrong with that. Every human that's ever lived died or will die. Same with the animals - same with each blade of grass. What makes humans any different? What makes humans so special that we are the "god-like" ones?

Hubbard was genius to the point where he got Scientologists to believe that if we didn't find out about "the real secrets of the universe" or get ourselves up through the Wall of Fire fast, we would not make it as a whole. He made the rest of the universe YOUR responsibility. Now that the entire universe is YOUR responsibility, I guess that makes you God huh?

Didn't Satan feel the same way?

I do believe that Hubbard thought he was both Satan and God all rolled up in one enchilada. He even included Buddha in the mix with a side of Rhodes. How egotistical and arrogant can you get?

How many Cleopatras have you met?

You know what Elvis had to say about Scientology after Priscilla got involved, and I think this speaks for itself:

Scientology is all head and no heart.

All hail the King!

Peace,
Richie

 

[Vittorio]

Richard, who made those promises to you?

Who is better off now, Prescilla or Elvis?

I never made it above Clear in the Church, though was exposed to all the OT data very early on and was never restimulated by it (and was not programmed to do anymore Bridge). There is far more data on OTIII now than there was then.

stories like Richies are a wrong thing about the Church. I have seen people who want to 'go OT' know matter what and often haphazardly rush up the Bridge, getting PTP in the process and then PTS, losing and inhibiting gains. Good thorough study, patience and confront on a correct gradient is the best way.

Vittorio

 

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

My only answer to you is there is no cookie-cutter bridge.

I love processing, I love to process.

Scio and most other subjects turned into head subjects.

True processing and training has to do with LIFE.

It can only be measured by a gradual rising scale in LIFE.

For some reason the other techs could not observe the rising scale of "charge off" - as a matter of fact, to my knowledge there are no technologies that handle charge - they handle by-passed charge - but not charge.

Charge has nothing to do with the case.

Charge is real time = it emanates from the being.

Each being has their own path.

No two beings paths are remotely the same.

There is a trickle of a thread that leads to a river of power and knowledge that allows you to recover and restore you - it is YOUR OWN interest line - YOUR OWN actions, incidents and events line - YOUR OWN purpose line - YOUR OWN goals line - YOUR OWN games creations - YOUR OWN UNIVERSES. But these are exclusive to you.

Yes eventually you rise to an Omni-Sovereign state where you co-create with others.

When that Omni-Sovereignty starts to occur; a completely different form of technology is needed. But it is fairly simple....but it takes great honesty, honor and truth.

Only you have the answers - only you have the way out.

If you have the correct technologies - you naturally rise up the Org Boards of life......that includes rising up the levels of spirituality - even to being at one with God!

Each being has created compartments of all that is. Compartments within compartments.

The fact is the client knows more about their own case than does the processor or C/S or any Guru.

People get gains from all sorts of procedures....the reason; it is on their interest line. The problem is; most often when the End Product occurs - the interest dies.

It is a vast task to undo all you have done to limit yourself. For you have used your own, infinite cleverness, infinite skills, infinite powers, infinite strengths, infinite abilities and infinite intelligence to hide, restrain and inhibit yourself from yourself.

Until you are ready to rise to the next level - you will use these infinite powers to limit yourself to the level you are at.

Living life is the ultimate process - how trapped by it or how free you live it lets you know what process you are running.

Alan

I have nothing to add to that. Thank you.

 

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

Life IS the bridge!

The purpose of knowledge is to come to know and be one with Gods and his/ her/their/it's creation. IMHO. Every place one focus's their eyes and reaches out with their fingers is where you find him, her, they, it at work in this grand creation.

The root origin of the "Golden Rule" lay in the archtypical axiom of "oneness". The most vital and important core concept left out of scientology so called scripture! For to harm another is to harm an extended piece of yourself!

So It appears your not really doing scientology! How goes it feel to have your life's work labeled as such? How do you feel about having your work lumped under the catagory of freezone?

BH

I do recall Ron commenting that this universe is an auditing machine.

 

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

The thing that drove me most to get up the OT levels was the fact that I was promised and given the idea that I had "super-human, super-being" powers that the OT levels would unlock and provide. That I was actually "god-like" in native state as a thetan.

In reflecting back on thinking this way I realized that people need to just get over the fact that you really won't find out what happens in the after-life until after you die. That's how it is, and how it always will be. No matter how far we move forward scientifically, I believe that that's just one of the rules of life that will remain unchanged and a mystery.

Now that I'm no longer obsessed about "regaining" my super-human powers and no longer afraid of death (a natural stage we will all experience), I am so much happier in life. Sounds like a success story .

My personal feelings about past lives (which could be real or possibly not) is that the idea was created by humans who were afraid of death. The idea that you have lived before or will live again makes death a lot easier to swallow for those afraid of it. We should just enjoy life while we're living it and we'll find out what happens when it's our time to go. There's nothing wrong with that. Every human that's ever lived died or will die. Same with the animals - same with each blade of grass. What makes humans any different? What makes humans so special that we are the "god-like" ones?

Hubbard was genius to the point where he got Scientologists to believe that if we didn't find out about "the real secrets of the universe" or get ourselves up through the Wall of Fire fast, we would not make it as a whole. He made the rest of the universe YOUR responsibility. Now that the entire universe is YOUR responsibility, I guess that makes you God huh?

Didn't Satan feel the same way?

I do believe that Hubbard thought he was both Satan and God all rolled up in one enchilada. He even included Buddha in the mix with a side of Rhodes. How egotistical and arrogant can you get?

How many Cleopatras have you met?

You know what Elvis had to say about Scientology after Priscilla got involved, and I think this speaks for itself:

Scientology is all head and no heart.

All hail the King!

Peace,
Richie

The first time I ever saw a past life (pre Scientology) I did not find it comforting at all. I suddenly realized I would have to come back and that put demands upon me to be more responsible. Don't you think the thought of coming back to this planet is scary? Give me back that Hollywood prop shop called Heaven.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Don't you think the thought of coming back to this planet is scary? Give me back that Hollywood prop shop called Heaven.

If it's not bad form to discuss Heaven here, I would be interested in a believer's view. To me the simplistic ideas

I've seen of what goes on seem very dull, especially for an eternity.

But yes, the idea of coming back to this planet for another life starting in 2010 or 2020 or 2030 gives me the willies. My doom-laden view goes along the lines of if you extrapolate out many visible trends for a few more years or decades, with the various political and environmental disruptive forces at work, this planet's living space is about to get toasted one way or another.

 

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

i have a few opinions about this.

after idenics, PEAT and years of R3X in the FZ i suggest that addressing very old memories and their content produces life changing wins. almost always error free. it is like "child developement" for a being.

i contend that ron knew the vaue of very early memories. ron briefly refers to "the back-track" in many of his lectures. he makes a sweeping statement like "you can not be harmed unless you agree to be harmed (on the back-track)". then says no more about it. tease

he never offered proceedures to get there. we are talking pre inc I.

ron said early clients got well quickly (in the late 1940s and early dianetics) and left. ron wondered in one lecture, why not keep them around longer? why not command a group that has everyone busy on and on? now that is not a new idea but it could have been ron's idea. he always seemed over the Scn game, this could be why. others did not get programmed to run way early memories. the design of the commands prevented it. kept the answer in a MESTU context.

ron was pissed after that "little queer" out did him with power and grade 6 right under his nose, in front of hundreds. he had them all very very busy on class 6 doing GPMs.

ron had to be the center of attention and now he had to get it back. off to africa, surprise. then back with a plan. a new game-entities (see crowley and shamanism). johnny gets declared. ships, secret departures of the best staff at night, secret projects. ron was back saving the day, again. he liked that.

is this Bridge the only way to a better life? i think not. lots of addresses work well. no BT need to be addressed to make a happy person with no somatics. several techs do that.

but what if the person already went into Scn and now is messed up with no money trying to figure out what happened to his/her life?

BTs are clustered around common experiences so it seems.

why not just run lots of early memories (pre inc I) and they quietly drop away? not nearly as much busy work as class 6 listing through GPMs - forever. and NOTS (solo NOTS) lasting as long as it does for about $50,000 per year when you add in the two sec checks.

the R3X approach seems to work well on new OT7s, grades PCs, and new non-Scn just fine for over ten years.

idenics kicks butt on all levels of Scn case also. it deals with shock and shift issues in the most complete way.

the standard tech people will keep on with the HCOBs inspite of a high drop out rate. and some questionable illnesses.
Scientology may not be the most expensive fraud ever (UN Oil for Food), or highest human cost (Marx/Communism) but it is enough for me. sure is difficult to quit like smoking. thus there is this board with no standard tech people to tell us about KSW again and again.

these things need to be said. Someone has to say them.

at one time we all liked to see the world through Scientology glasses and using the Scientology tool box for life.; here we are.

an early class 6 grad told me in 1972 that someday we would need to run Scientology out. i did not "believe" him then. i do now.

we can kick this thing.

george

George, what you say about running Scientology out indicates to me why I came back: I had been in Scientology pre-earth. Partly I wanted to find the b___rds who did something to me.

To give you an example of what I mean, I once had a dear beloved boss who up and died on me, and she had this big overbearing boss who I had a lot of affection for too.

I moved to another state, took another job and ran out the failure of the first incident by creating almost duplicate characters: My new boss was very, very similar and also getting serious migraine headaches and her boss was a big lovable overbearing fella. The floating needle was getting her into a local church and onto some Dianetics auditing. She never complained of migraines after that. Also she never stayed with the Church, so no further failures along that line.

In those last two admin posts I held I also ran out most of the failures and stuck attention on admin and management.

But, getting back to what you were saying about safely running out incidents, even pre-this universe -- well, when I first walked into an Org I told them I wanted to see all of my past lives. Just for the entertainment factor at least I mean, all those soap operas and costumes and I'm the star, and no commercial breaks

My first past life recall came while innocently walking down a street in France. Alanzo will be sure to tell me how this is hypnosis Thank you Alanzo for pushing that button and now it is flat.

George, getting back to you, have you run out pre Incident 1 and before that even? What techniques helped you to do that?

I don't mean to run Idenics into the ground, but you can see I am a little focused on it right now. So, I'm thinking in my mind how could I use Idenics to run out early lifetimes? My husband did have backtrack recall in his Idenics session where he was addressing the unwanted condition of exhaustion.

Maybe I could present the unwanted condition of being shoved into this universe and not knowing who did it???

 

[george rasmussen]

reply to Gnosis

you seem to have an interest in the very old memories. good.
we do not "date" in R3X for a number of reasons. leave that to Capt Bill. we do encounter full "Ring of Games", LTA, and a whole lot more on some folks. but content to fill a story line is not the point. confront and control of one's memtal creations is one objective. old memories do not come up as part of a story but just because they are the next incident or memory. we do not try to draw a "cosmic map". it limits as maps have edges then the unknown off the map. so no maps, get it.
i really like Idenics, PEAT, and R3X as techniques. i developed a Memory Game which is a non-professional, simpler version of R3X. robert ducharme might disagree a little but what the hell.

george

 

[ron's hat]

When I did OT3 many many moons ago (it's still the same one as now I believe) the actual incidents seemed very bizarre.

However I did think that the body thetan explanation for our woes could have had some plausibility.

So I ran it for months though I very rarely ran the incidents as stated - I couldn't get that to read.

Anyway it went no where and as usual one attests to finish it.

Later - after I finished with scientology and the freezone (which I was in at the birth and even funded an emeter project and was David Mayo's rep in the UK) I came to the conclusion that a meter can be made to read on anything and that indeed "we were mocking the whole thing up".

So I became a "clear" years after I left scientology!!! - This is the original clear cognition for those that don't know.

I want all of you out there, that have access to an emeter, to scan you body for green warts - how many reads did you get> Now scan your body for purple people eaters! How many reads did you get?

Now scan your cat/dog/significant other for the same things. How many reads did you get.

If you did this honestly (see I can do a hubbard and make it YOUR fault if it didn't work) you will have had a ton of reads.

Now the handling. Go down to the pub - get a good stiff drink and say to yourself. "I've been a bloody idiot"!

regards
Martin

Well said.

 

[Veda]

Ot 3 handles what can be contacted at that level of awareness, OT 4 handles case affected by drugs not available to handle on III, Ot 5 handles another type, level, whatever, and SoloNOTs finishes off the area of Pre-OT case. It is ALL set ups so you can actually run OT levels as a single unit being. This is not confidential. What gets slimed all over the internet is misduplications, missed importances, altered sequences, etc. People generally miss the ENTIRE POINT of the pre-OT levels, which is to give you back the ability to think a thought and know it is your own thought. T o have your own considerations, and your own postulates. It is a humanitarian effort to free beings on this planet, who are so enmeshed in spiritual chaos, they have no hope or prayer of freeing themselves with anything less than this Tech. Now, having said that, I also believe the current gestapo/RTC approach is futile and doomed. You can be as faded and jaded as you like, and proclaim Hubbards faults till doomsday, but when you are set up properly this stuff runs like butter, and the wins are big and juicy. There IS an end to that band, and when you hit it, it's good. I am part of the fallout of pioneers who were told we had made it when we hadn't, that's all. If you have questions about pre-OT levels, and go poking around, I don't know if you are going to get hurt or not. Ron said you might. But more importantly, the implanters are still around, and they still are afraid of thetans who are free. This tech is for use. I want to see it perfected, and used by a humantarian group. I think the CofS is not humanitarian, as shown by how they treat their own staff. I know I will get an earfull on this one, Ok. I'm certain of what I got, and didn't get out of OT levels. I don't need any agreement. Mike

I hate to tell you this, but plenty of folks were doing fine as "single unit beings," and were "able to think a thought and know it's his own thought," etc., even though the world is filled with life, and with some shadows too.

*It wasn't a problem*.

IMO, OT 3 is not mainly about exorcism, that's the "shore story." OT 3 is an evaluation, a kind of Hubbardian Implant that must be agreed with if one is to "survive." It was also Hubbard's explanation to himself as to why he failed in Rhodesia, and was not being recognized as the Great Man. In Rhodesia, Hubbard wanted to be a combination of Cecil Rhodes, and '007' (James Bond, Mr. Cool), and the Great Enlightened One, and it didn't work out. For Hubbard, OT 3 became the answer to the question "What is the engram necessary to resolve the 'case'," except it was, "What is the incident that explains his (Hubbard's) failure in Rhodesia (and other problems)," THEN it was super-imposed upon others as THIER "case."

Unable to be the identity he sought in Rhodesia (with the Fair Game Law, and his Private Intelligence Network [G.O.] at his side), Hubbard became the "Commodore" and started the Sea Org. He couldn't become "Mr. Big" with his own country, so he became the Commodore of his own private navy.

He then wrote that enlightened piece (gasp) known as the 'Bolivar PL', and, having completed OT 3 before anyone else, supposedly was - for a time - the only truly sane being on the planet. Then he dreamt up the "Commodore's Messengers," the "Chain Locker" punishment, and supervised various "Support" or attack "Ops" - by telex from the ship - such as Op Dynamite against Paulette Cooper (that became OP Freak Out in 1976, also under his direct supervision [April 1976] while he was briefly residing in Washington DC.)

The point is, this wasn't sanity. Something was seriously wrong.

OT 2 and OT 3 (and the Clearing Course before that) were sold as mysteries, secrets, dangerous, very very important, essential to survival, etc. They were (and are), IMO, part of the Trap portion of what Hubbard was doing.

(And, yes, IMO, there is some good stuff in "Scientology," but also, IMO, Hubbard had a hidden agenda, a hidden agenda that dates back to at least 1938.)

NOTS was an add on, after Hubbard's second nervous breakdown (after the 1977 FBI raids), and was stretched out for years, with the idea that one would be "right around the corner" from being Full OT as result.

Look around, and look back (historically). Were those involved with Scientology more aware and more able as a result of OT 2, and then OT3? People accepted being told the contents of their own minds - and their own spaces - because they were promised Full OT as a result, as a kind of trade off.

As for "exorcism," when needed, "Hello and OK," and "Two way communication" work well enough, IMO.

And if someone benefits from something, then that's good, but not everyone needs that, and not everyone benefits.

There is no option in Scientology of simply saying, "No, I don't have that," or "I don't need that, as I don't have that problem."

And the only reason for writing this is to let others know that there's another way.

 

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

I hate to tell you this, but plenty of folks were doing fine as "single unit beings," and were "able to think a thought and know it's his own thought," etc., even though the world is filled with life, and with some shadows too.

*It wasn't a problem*.

IMO, OT 3 is not mainly about exorcism, that's the "shore story." OT 3 is an evaluation, a kind of Hubbardian Implant that must be agreed with if one is to "survive." It was also Hubbard's explanation to himself as to why he failed in Rhodesia, and was not being recognized as the Great Man. In Rhodesia, Hubbard wanted to be a combination of Cecil Rhodes, and '007' (James Bond, Mr. Cool), and the Great Enlightened One, and it didn't work out. For Hubbard, OT 3 became the answer to the question "What is the engram necessary to resolve the 'case'," except it was, "What is the incident that explains his (Hubbard's) failure in Rhodesia (and other problems)," THEN it was super-imposed upon others as THIER "case."

Unable to be the identity he sought in Rhodesia (with the Fair Game Law, and his Private Intelligence Network [G.O.] at his side), Hubbard became the "Commodore" and started the Sea Org. He couldn't become "Mr. Big" with his own country, so he became the Commodore of his own private navy.

He then wrote that enlightened piece (gasp) known as the 'Bolivar PL', and, having completed OT 3 before anyone else, supposedly was - for a time - the only truly sane being on the planet. Then he dreamt up the "Commodore's Messengers," the "Chain Locker" punishment, and supervised various "Support" or attack "Ops" - by telex from the ship - such as Op Dynamite against Paulette Cooper (that became OP Freak Out in 1976, also under his direct supervision [April 1976] while he was briefly residing in Washington DC.)

The point is, this wasn't sanity. Something was seriously wrong.

OT 2 and OT 3 (and the Clearing Course before that) were sold as mysteries, secrets, dangerous, very very important, essential to survival, etc. They were (and are), IMO, part of the Trap portion of what Hubbard was doing.

(And, yes, IMO, there is some good stuff in "Scientology," but also, IMO, Hubbard had a hidden agenda, a hidden agenda that dates back to at least 1938.)

NOTS was an add on, after Hubbard's second nervous breakdown (after the 1977 FBI raids), and was stretched out for years, with the idea that one would be "right around the corner" from being Full OT as result.

Look around, and look back (historically). Were those involved with Scientology more aware and more able as a result of OT 2, and then OT3? People accepted being told the contents of their own minds - and their own spaces - because they were promised Full OT as a result, as a kind of trade off.

As for "exorcism," when needed, "Hello and OK," and "Two way communication" work well enough, IMO.

And if someone benefits from something, then that's good, but not everyone needs that, and not everyone benefits.

There is no option in Scientology of simply saying, "No, I don't have that," or "I don't need that, as I don't have that problem."

And the only reason for writing this is to let others know that there's another way.

Hello! and Okay!

 

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

Originally Posted by martinjr View Post
When I did OT3 many many moons ago (it's still the same one as now I believe) the actual incidents seemed very bizarre.

However I did think that the body thetan explanation for our woes could have had some plausibility.

So I ran it for months though I very rarely ran the incidents as stated - I couldn't get that to read.

Anyway it went no where and as usual one attests to finish it.

Later - after I finished with scientology and the freezone (which I was in at the birth and even funded an emeter project and was David Mayo's rep in the UK) I came to the conclusion that a meter can be made to read on anything and that indeed "we were mocking the whole thing up".

So I became a "clear" years after I left scientology!!! - This is the original clear cognition for those that don't know.

I want all of you out there, that have access to an emeter, to scan you body for green warts - how many reads did you get> Now scan your body for purple people eaters! How many reads did you get?

Now scan your cat/dog/significant other for the same things. How many reads did you get.

If you did this honestly (see I can do a hubbard and make it YOUR fault if it didn't work) you will have had a ton of reads.

Now the handling. Go down to the pub - get a good stiff drink and say to yourself. "I've been a bloody idiot"!

regards
Martin

Big Belly Laugh
Great Auditors read people, not e-meters.

 

[Zinjifar]

I do recall Ron commenting that this universe is an auditing machine.

I remember His 'Church' opining that 'OSA audits the 4th Dynamic'.

We didn't pay. We didn't order. We don't want.

It's like rogue 'curb painter troupes' with attorneys and thugs.

Or, 'windshield washers'

No Thank You

Zinj

 

[Div6]

If it's not bad form to discuss Heaven here, I would be interested in a believer's view. To me the simplistic ideas

I've seen of what goes on seem very dull, especially for an eternity.

But yes, the idea of coming back to this planet for another life starting in 2010 or 2020 or 2030 gives me the willies. My doom-laden view goes along the lines of if you extrapolate out many visible trends for a few more years or decades, with the various political and environmental disruptive forces at work, this planet's living space is about to get toasted one way or another.

Well, how about the famous Heaven HCOB? It has been omitted from the most recent tech vols, even though it is not confidential.


And lets not forget that before the Wall of Fire, LRH was researching the Helatrobus implants. I recall as a doll body lieutenant, I used to sneak off and run through the implant sequences, just for "kicks"....became quite the withhold later on...for some reason I kept forgetting what my post was...who I was married to, and so on....