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outlawgal

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I have to be honest (those who've read my posts know this already): I'm still afraid of the CoS.

I want to join the Anon cause, but I am still afraid of the CoS and what they do to people through their "Fair Game" policy. I know I'm not up to the task of fomenting either a good defense or offense for, as Admiral Akbar says, "repelling firepower of that magnitude."

I have a good job & a good life, and would hate to be smeared & attacked in any way. I don't really have a cadre of allies to help me out if the sh*t does hit the fan. I feel I could be easily "taken out" by their criminal methods.

So: am I on target? Overly paranoid? Or simply chicken-sh*t?

WTF kind of religion inspires fear like this in its membership?? Other than terrorist-based ones, that is ...

Oh geeze, Barky -- thanks for putting into words what I've been afraid to admit out loud for over a quarter of a century. Someone recently (and with good intentions, I believe) posted my name on another thread, and that really freaked me out. :nervous: I'm taking strength from the postings on this thread, and it does calm me down... somewhat, anyway. :unsure:

To deal with my fear, the image of David and Goliath keeps coming to mind. (were they part of the R6 bank, too???) -- cos is the overconfident insufferable bully. Me, I'm building my sling, and laying in a supply of stones.

I'm encouraged by ex-scilons I've met online, by the cheerful bravado of Anonymous, and by the daily news reports of how the CofS keeps losing ground (I've got my Google News home page set to find news stories with scn in them... it's a major giggle)... :giggle:

Yep, I'm building my sling, and I'm laying in a supply of stones... and one day, I'm gonna step out and let fly with sweet deadly aim. We all have a part to play in their downfall. For my part, well... I am a queer and pleasant danger, :devil: and my time's a'comin'.:hourglass:

Thanks again, Barky -- I'm gonna sleep easier tonight cuz you gave me the courage to put this in writing.

outlaw
 

nexus100

Gold Meritorious Patron
Oh geeze, Barky -- thanks for putting into words what I've been afraid to admit out loud for over a quarter of a century. Someone recently (and with good intentions, I believe) posted my name on another thread, and that really freaked me out. :nervous: I'm taking strength from the postings on this thread, and it does calm me down... somewhat, anyway. :unsure:

To deal with my fear, the image of David and Goliath keeps coming to mind. (were they part of the R6 bank, too???) -- cos is the overconfident insufferable bully. Me, I'm building my sling, and laying in a supply of stones.

I'm encouraged by ex-scilons I've met online, by the cheerful bravado of Anonymous, and by the daily news reports of how the CofS keeps losing ground (I've got my Google News home page set to find news stories with scn in them... it's a major giggle)... :giggle:

Yep, I'm building my sling, and I'm laying in a supply of stones... and one day, I'm gonna step out and let fly with sweet deadly aim. We all have a part to play in their downfall. For my part, well... I am a queer and pleasant danger, :devil: and my time's a'comin'.:hourglass:

Thanks again, Barky -- I'm gonna sleep easier tonight cuz you gave me the courage to put this in writing.

outlaw

Hey OTG. You are couragous enough for me! But I think we are each ourselves, and our search for truth has many manifestations. Drive into the wrong culdesac and all you end up doing is an about-face. There is no courage but in facing oneself.
Or in betting on the Cubs. But that is another story.
Sleep tight!
 

rich

Silver Meritorious Patron
They are still photographing and identifying picketers covertly, they've already got quite a few. Just guessing ,but maybe 5% are named. They will follow you a mile to your car and photograph you and your plate from 200yards away. They have plants wearing Vmasks in the pickets. If you are carefull and always wear a mask and don't walk to your car from the picket ,you probably won't be identified. It might be safest to make friends with some anon on enturbulation.org and go with them. Otherwise you might feel all alone at the picket. It's fun , but ,you will have to be carefull to stay anonymous. r.
 

PirateAndBum

Gold Meritorious Patron
Invairably, most bullies are also cowards.

In the mid 1980's, the cult dispatched one of their leading GO terminals to see me. His job was to persuade me to cease developing my own technology. He threatened me that he would turn his entire asset base against me to crush me.

so I told him that I had LOTS of friends (mostly Black athletes; I was their manager) and that Newton's Laws of motion would apply; For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, his London properties, his home and business in E. Grinstead would be burned to the ground. His call.

He slunk away and I never heard from him or the cult again.

What technology have you developed DS? I'd be intereseted to hear more about that. :yes:
 

Boldgirl

Patron Meritorious
I have to be honest (those who've read my posts know this already): I'm still afraid of the CoS.

I want to join the Anon cause, but I am still afraid of the CoS and what they do to people through their "Fair Game" policy. I know I'm not up to the task of fomenting either a good defense or offense for, as Admiral Akbar says, "repelling firepower of that magnitude."

I have a good job & a good life, and would hate to be smeared & attacked in any way. I don't really have a cadre of allies to help me out if the sh*t does hit the fan. I feel I could be easily "taken out" by their criminal methods.

So: am I on target? Overly paranoid? Or simply chicken-sh*t?

WTF kind of religion inspires fear like this in its membership?? Other than terrorist-based ones, that is ...



I resurected this as I was about to do a new thread about fear. It has come up for me today as i realized that with all the calls having increased since MV4, I find myself nervous again. I was feeling more peaceful but then the calls started again...from every sector of scn at any place I had anything to do with scn before. I do not respond of course, but I am very frustrated and upset that I feel anything anymore. I feel just like barky describes above right now and it just really sucks.
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
I resurected this as I was about to do a new thread about fear. It has come up for me today as i realized that with all the calls having increased since MV4, I find myself nervous again. I was feeling more peaceful but then the calls started again...from every sector of scn at any place I had anything to do with scn before. I do not respond of course, but I am very frustrated and upset that I feel anything anymore. I feel just like barky describes above right now and it just really sucks.

I think it helps if you can identify exactly what is making you nervous or scared. The calls are harrassment - and I know someone who has reported them as such. Perhaps you could do that? Change your phone number? A generalised feeling of fear is a good result for scio. Doing anything that is a positive step for yourself, even posting here, may help to lessen that.
 

klidov

Silver Meritorious Patron
My Thoughts.....

I have to be honest (those who've read my posts know this already): I'm still afraid of the CoS.

I want to join the Anon cause, but I am still afraid of the CoS and what they do to people through their "Fair Game" policy. I know I'm not up to the task of fomenting either a good defense or offense for, as Admiral Akbar says, "repelling firepower of that magnitude."

I have a good job & a good life, and would hate to be smeared & attacked in any way. I don't really have a cadre of allies to help me out if the sh*t does hit the fan. I feel I could be easily "taken out" by their criminal methods.

So: am I on target? Overly paranoid? Or simply chicken-sh*t?

WTF kind of religion inspires fear like this in its membership?? Other than terrorist-based ones, that is ...

Barky- I wish I had the magick words to make your rather valid concerns (and fear) go away.

I don't. And that is unfortunate. I wish there were a cure, or a magick pill. I will confess something to you (and everyone who reads this).

I will preface it by saying I have debated (and researched) many different groups. I have met with people who consider themselves vampires, satanists, occultists, bikers, fundy christians.....the list goes on.

I have gone toe-to-toe with the LDS (Mormon) Church, and as a single Mom, I suffered black-ops from the LDS (High) Priesthood.

I debate/discuss religion, politics, and sex. All the things that well-bred Women are not supposed to do.

Having said all that, a year ago, I was in the pool at a friend's house, and one of the Male guests, having read some of my magazine articles, told me I should "Take on the Scientologists". You know, expose the abuse(s) on it's members.

My reply, my honest & serious reply was "Scientologists & I have an understanding. They don't f*ck with me, and I don't f*ck with them."

Everyone in the pool got very quiet because they realized, I was NOT kidding. I was speaking from the heart. And they were surprised, because I do NOT intimidate easily.

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What has changed for me? Learning about Anon. Seeing that other people are speaking-up. (I do not give in to pack mentality, but I knew I would never be able to take-on the cult by myself). I felt I lived too close to "Ground Zero".

What has this to do with you, Barky? Know that whatever choice you make, however involved you feel comfortable with, I (and I can only speak for myself) do not sit in judgement of you. Just know that even though I am a stranger,on a discussion board, I support you.

And that is the truth.

I have not walked a mile in your moccasins. But I support you.

I hope that makes sense.
 

thetanic

Gold Meritorious Patron
I have to be honest (those who've read my posts know this already): I'm still afraid of the CoS.

I want to join the Anon cause, but I am still afraid of the CoS and what they do to people through their "Fair Game" policy. I know I'm not up to the task of fomenting either a good defense or offense for, as Admiral Akbar says, "repelling firepower of that magnitude."

I have a good job & a good life, and would hate to be smeared & attacked in any way. I don't really have a cadre of allies to help me out if the sh*t does hit the fan. I feel I could be easily "taken out" by their criminal methods.

I know this is an old thread, but it's an ongoing concern, and not just for barky.

It's difficult to cope with an organization whose policy is ritual abuse.

Only you know your tolerance for that, and there's no shame or guilt in not doing as much as you'd like because you're protecting others from harm.
 

gomorrhan

Gold Meritorious Patron
I have to be honest (those who've read my posts know this already): I'm still afraid of the CoS.

I want to join the Anon cause, but I am still afraid of the CoS and what they do to people through their "Fair Game" policy. I know I'm not up to the task of fomenting either a good defense or offense for, as Admiral Akbar says, "repelling firepower of that magnitude."

I have a good job & a good life, and would hate to be smeared & attacked in any way. I don't really have a cadre of allies to help me out if the sh*t does hit the fan. I feel I could be easily "taken out" by their criminal methods.

So: am I on target? Overly paranoid? Or simply chicken-sh*t?

WTF kind of religion inspires fear like this in its membership?? Other than terrorist-based ones, that is ...

I will tell you what my father told me, the first time I remember feeling overwhelmed with fear about something I couldn't control, and couldn't possibly fight.

I had just finished watching a made-for-TV movie called "The Day After", about what nuclear attack would mean for the people who survived it. I was about 13, and it really shook me to the core that everyone I knew or loved could be killed and there was nothing I could do to stop it, end the threat, etc. People don't seem to worry about that any more. I think that's a good thing, though the threat might loom again if proliferation to unstable governments continues.

I went to my room, and I couldn't sleep. I think I was actually in shock. My Dad came in and sat on the side of my bed, and gave me a big hug. It was one of the few times he showed me affection. He said some words which I don't remember, but which had the following gist: there are things you can control, and there are things you can't control. You can't live in fear of the things you can't control, it will paralyze you, and make you less able to handle and enjoy the things that you can.

When I first got out of the Church, I decided I couldn't control them, and I couildn't stop them from f*ing with me, and I couldn't stop them from destroying my marriage. I decided not to fight with them, and to live my own life, without ever taking them to the mat, or worrying about them doing anything to me. That was 13 years ago. I think there were some things I could have controlled at that time that I abdicated control of, because I was overly afraid of what would happen to me, and the adverse effects that might happen to my other family members because they were connected to me.

Today, I lead a productive, happy and pleasurable life, and I still don't tangle with the Church. I don't feel a need for vengeance, and I am not consumed with hatred. I have some regrets, some very heavy losses. There are still things which I would like to change. It's not because I lack courage, or willpower, or because of FEAR. It's because I want to live my life, I don't want to spend it fighting anything or anyone. I defend myself when I must, but I've found that really doesn't happen much. I'm quite public about my experiences with the Church, my views on their practices, and I've even attended a few protests, in my time. But really, that was because I wanted to meet the protesters, and not because I wanted to confront the Church. I feel that Anonymous just gives more grist for the Church's "morning hate" (thanks, Orwell). I'm glad they do what they think is right, and I think that they probably help some people who are in the Church come out, and educate others about the dangers of the cult. I think it's also likely that they'll get caught up in a "games condition" with the Church, and it's a bit of a tar-baby.

If you have something that the Church is trying to take from you, then I think you should stand your ground. I was very young, and I didn't know how to stand my ground, and so I let people and things be taken from me that now I would know how to prevent.

I hope what I have said is useful to you. I'm not saying that it's easy, or that my decisions were "right". Only that this was how I did it, and that I'm okay today. I could be vilified for not protecting my children from the cult, for letting the cult take them away from me because of my unwillingness to fight my ex-wife. I could be called a dead-beat dad, a playboy, or worse. Those things are just apparencies. These decisions are HARD. Ultimately, we are accountable to ourselves. I have had sleepless nights. I'm not sure I was right.

Uniquimand. Pax.
 
I have to be honest (those who've read my posts know this already): I'm still afraid of the CoS.

I want to join the Anon cause, but I am still afraid of the CoS and what they do to people through their "Fair Game" policy. I know I'm not up to the task of fomenting either a good defense or offense for, as Admiral Akbar says, "repelling firepower of that magnitude."

I have a good job & a good life, and would hate to be smeared & attacked in any way. I don't really have a cadre of allies to help me out if the sh*t does hit the fan. I feel I could be easily "taken out" by their criminal methods.

So: am I on target? Overly paranoid? Or simply chicken-sh*t?

WTF kind of religion inspires fear like this in its membership?? Other than terrorist-based ones, that is ...
Hi guys and ladies. games games and the games that they wish you to play so that I, You can get snare on the traps and immobilize you. very devious. evil so 1.1 does this ring a bell? because as long as you react they have you reacting how about being honest, and if some one attack me I will defend my self so please lurker make sure that you strike realy good because you have failed all ready and the reason for that is that we are here talking learning growing healing and becoming what we decide each one of us. in the side of being proactive.
face your fear. learn from them do what you fell is prudent and correct but please please do not let your fears control your life.
love
original angel
 

angel

Patron with Honors
Fear Of?

Barky,

I have been afraid for 16 years. I moved to a remote location in the middle of nowhere.

Are my fears different from everyone elses? I am afraid of other worldly beings?

LRH had the ability to summon satanic beings through portals. If you have seen one of these it is difficult to move forward without answers. I spent the past years thinking the being was from the government until now having learned about LRH's past with Crowley.

Does anyone else have experince with this?

I understand that fear of being harrassed, taken or beaten must be terrible. I suggest relocation and unlisted phone number.

Angel
 

Pixie

Crusader
Barky,

I have been afraid for 16 years. I moved to a remote location in the middle of nowhere.

Are my fears different from everyone elses? I am afraid of other worldly beings?

LRH had the ability to summon satanic beings through portals. If you have seen one of these it is difficult to move forward without answers. I spent the past years thinking the being was from the government until now having learned about LRH's past with Crowley.

Does anyone else have experince with this?

I understand that fear of being harrassed, taken or beaten must be terrible. I suggest relocation and unlisted phone number.

Angel

Welcome to the board Angel. I think fear is fear no matter what it is you are afraid of. I have also been in a state of fear since getting out of the cult however fear in itself is irrational by it's very nature. When one is in the present moment fear cannot exist. I too live in the middle of nowhere and have found it difficult to integrate back into normal society and have realized that my own time in scientology has left me very introverted in many ways. I don't know the answer to this apart from to read and read how ron put all that brainwashing tech together and try to get an understanding of how I ended up like this.

Like love, fear cannot be measured, and every persons fear is their own whether it's fear of spiders or fear of the c of s. It's a long and healing journey trying to find ones true self again after the mind fuck that was the cult. As for nasty beings coming through portals, if indeed they do exist, something can only upset or affect you if you give it power, and if these being do exist, they need an equally negative energy to exist and to feed from so the only way to avoid that is to stay as positive as one can be and perhaps meditate daily to keep the mind and emotions in balance.

I hope this helps and I'm sure that being here on the board will help you to release some of those fears.

Warmest to you... Pixie
 

Sir Facer

Patron with Honors
YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!

I have to be honest (those who've read my posts know this already): I'm still afraid of the CoS.
I want to join the Anon cause, but I am still afraid of the CoS and what they do to people through their "Fair Game" policy. I know I'm not up to the task of fomenting either a good defense or offense for, as Admiral Akbar says, "repelling firepower of that magnitude."
I have a good job & a good life, and would hate to be smeared & attacked in any way. I don't really have a cadre of allies to help me out if the sh*t does hit the fan. I feel I could be easily "taken out" by their criminal methods.
So: am I on target? Overly paranoid? Or simply chicken-sh*t?
WTF kind of religion inspires fear like this in its membership?? Other than terrorist-based ones, that is ...

Hey Barky,
I hear ya barkin big buddy. But you know what, I do understand. Just read some of these posts on the board:omg:
The Church is being exposed with exactly what they do and have done in the past so they actually are more scared of what all the new members on this board can do.

YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!, Currently their limited resources are stretched so thin you have nothing to worry about, The Church currently has Major flaps with Celebrities, Media, OT's, SO EXECS and well known & loved staff members falling off like leaves in fall etc etc.

You are actually safer out than in. Its up to you if you choose to protest, anyone can about anything, Its up to you how you do it. I have not been to one protest yet myself, not really my thing, my point is do what you want as cofs tactics have been exploited time again and if they are allready being closely monitored by Authorities at this time for many different crimes so Chill baby chill:thumbsup:
 
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