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themadhair

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The TA in the title being ‘Transactional Analysis’ rather than Tone Arm. Transactional Analysis is an attempt to understand ‘games’ which are particular interactions between ourselves and others. I’m presenting this not because I agree with it (I really don’t), but because I want to illustrate that there are much better systems out there than Hubbard’s.

When you watch these videos on TA keep in mind the following questions:

1) Does TA better reflect what you experience in your interactions?
2) Does it offer more applicable advice?
3) Does it give a model that is more flexible and can be adapted to more accurately describe given situations?
4) Does it make more sense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKNyFSLJy6o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOqJ4sc9TAc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58F2qYyAzME
 
Dulloldfart

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
I added a Transactional Analysis module to RoboCounsellor at www.robocounsellor.com last year. I've just now opened up the page permissions so anyone can use it to have a TA session if you want, without needing to create a free account. It's fairly close to the original basic TA, as far as I can tell, although there's a little bit of added valence-splitting at the end. :). I haven't checked the videos above, but when researching TA before putting my RoboCounsellor TA module online I noticed that the simple original system had gotten really complex and weird.

Some of the internal links won't work if you are not signed in (free account, instant access), like "Don't want to continue" and a few others.

<Tech Degrade>I think other modules work better than TA, though.</Tech Degrade> (On RoboCounsellor, Tabletop Psychodrama is really hot, for example)

Paul
 
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AnonKat

AnonKat

Crusader
Excellent post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person

Suppressive Person, often abbreviated SP, is a term used in Scientology to describe the "antisocial personalities" who, according to Scientology's founder L. Ron Hubbard, make up about 2.5% of the population. A statement on a Church of Scientology website describes this group as including notorious historic figures such as Adolf Hitler.[1]

The term is often applied to those whom the Church of Scientology perceives as its enemies, i.e. those whose "disastrous" and "suppressive" acts are said to impede the progress of individual Scientologists or the Scientology movement.[2]

One of the reasons Scientology doctrines portray Suppressive Persons as such a danger is that they are supposed to make people around them become Potential Trouble Source (abbreviated PTS). Scientology defines a PTS as "a person who is in some way connected to and being adversely affected by a suppressive person. Such a person is called a potential trouble source because he can be a lot of trouble to himself and to others."[3] PTSes are said to make up 20% of the population.[4]
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V

VaD

Gold Meritorious Patron
Paul,
I understand AnonKat.
He shares a lot and doesn't speak a lot to defend hmself. I appreciate his position that is independent. He is OVER viewer on Scientology.
He is a kind person (while his links and references are not so kind at times, but to the subject...or not so ... sometimes)

I understand you too, Paul.
You are like me, trying to make something workable of what others try to discard totally and completely.
You are extremely unordinary being. I like that. I admire you. Your persistence and power of developing new and better things makes me think there is something better than Scientology.

Paul and AnonKat, please do not fight. You are both valuable, and both are inalienable part of ESMB.
(Well, if your arguments are a part of your game, please keep arguing and fighting in every thread). :)
 
Gadfly

Gadfly

Crusader
Vadim,

I just noticed your signature line:

"totally exterior to Scientology with full perception"

:thumbsup: :clap: :thumbsup:
 
AnonKat

AnonKat

Crusader
Vadim Dolgov said:
Paul,
I understand AnonKat.
He shares a lot and doesn't speak a lot to defend hmself. I appreciate his position that is independent. He is OVER viewer on Scientology.
He is a kind person (while his links and references are not so kind at times, but to the subject...or not so ... sometimes)

I understand you too, Paul.
You are like me, trying to make something workable of what others try to discard totally and completely.
You are extremely unordinary being. I like that. I admire you. Your persistence and power of developing new and better things makes me think there is something better than Scientology.

Paul and AnonKat, please do not fight. You are both valuable, and both are inalienable part of ESMB.
(Well, if your arguments are a part of your game, please keep arguing and fighting in every thread). :)
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I support Pauls efforts as he is trying to help and contribute and give people something back what in a sense was stolen from them.
 
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AnonKat

AnonKat

Crusader
Dress up Bump

Vadim Dolgov said:
bump. :blush:
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You could dress up your bump.

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Dealing With Manipulative People
An Excerpt from the book: In Sheep's Clothing
By George K. Simon
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http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing11.html

Two Basic Types of Aggression

There are two basic types of aggression: overt-aggression and covert-aggression.

When you're determined to have something and you're open, direct and obvious in your manner of fighting, your behavior is best labeled overtly aggressive. When you're out to "win," dominate or control, but are subtle, underhanded or deceptive enough to hide your true intentions, your behavior is most appropriately labeled covertly aggressive. Now, avoiding any overt display of aggression while simultaneously intimidating others into giving you what you want is a powerfully manipulative maneuver. That's why covert-aggression is most often the vehicle for interpersonal manipulation.

Acts of Covert-Aggression vs. Covert-Aggressive Personalities
Most of us have engaged in some sort of covertly aggressive behavior from time to time. Periodically trying to manipulate a person or a situation doesn't make someone a covert-aggressive personality. Personality can be defined by the way a person habitually perceives, relates to and interacts with others and the world at large.

The tactics of deceit, manipulation and control are a steady diet for covert-aggressive personality. It's the way they prefer to deal with others and to get the things they want in life.

The Process of Victimization
For a long time, I wondered why manipulation victims have a hard time seeing what really goes on in manipulative interactions. At first, I was tempted to fault them. But I've learned that they get hoodwinked for some very good reasons:
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http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing11.html
 
Gadfly

Gadfly

Crusader
Vadim Dolgov said:
Thank you!
Your post here:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=439055#post439055
got me thinking that not everything is lost here.

Scientology must die. But it will die itself, like any bad seed.
Efforts to discuss it will give it more life.
Letting it go will take its power away.
Methinks.
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Lost "here"? Where?

Scn will eventually fail because it is loaded with far too much BS. Too many lies, too much deceit, too much PR, too much exaggeration, too much force, too much high pressure demand, too much trickery, too much manipulation, and on and on (quite endlessly).

Also, not that I agree, but per LRH if something is to "persist" it must contain a lie or lies. It seems that DM follows that religiously - he keeps altering and changing and lying about LRH and SCN, and thus, per the LRH theory on persistence, Scn should ALWAYS BE THERE (expanding and stronger - FOREVER)!

But the reality is this. All things must pass. Everything in this univere of matter and energy goes away eventually. All things change into something else. Nothing is now what it was 10 seconds ago - not you, not the sun, not the universe, and not SCN. But, Scn will erode because it is fundamentally GROSS on many levels, both theoretically and practically (in application). :bigcry:

But the mindless believers of the world (Marty and company, and some others) can try to keep the fantasy and delusion alive. :duh:
 
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