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[Royal Prince Xenu]

I imagine the tin leaches straight into the body. Look at Hulda Clark's research.

Is chromium useful in the body in its elemental form, or whatever form the plating is in?

Paul

Chromium is used by "natural" practitioners to deal with sugar in the body. Leached through the skin is probably not the best way to ingest it.

Rog,
We got some cans custom made 20 or more years ago and heavily gold plated. Cost about #30 per pair. They still look (and work) like new. Gold is a very common plating metal, and the least active chemically of any regular metal.

Regards, Allen

Gold is probably my first choice of plating, although I did make a set of copper "cans" (cut directly from water pipe), and despite their ease in surface corrosion, they seem to work fine. It was my intent at the time of cutting them to have them plated, and the choice will be Gold or Chrome.

Just in case people didn't believe ULRC/S, I happened across a (full) red bull can at work. Stuck an ohm meter across it and it measures open circuit (greater than 10,000,000 ohms on the multi-meter I was using). Of course this was another UK sourced product.

Surely there is somebody in the USA with a multi-meter and a nearby supermarket!

I am unsure of the cans in question. These designer "energy drinks" are merketed in Australia in steel cans. Scouring the enamel off the surface should provide a useable can.

Most soft drink cans are made of Aluminium which is VERY conductive, but also a fast oxidizer. The oxide forms on the surface almost immediately, and is NON conductive. If you press THROUGH the oxide with the multimeter probes, you will get an excellent reading, but as "cans" they are useless.

Yeh, I think you're right that the tin is probably actually driven straight into the body with the current.

Elemental (pure) chromium is probably not greatly useful in the body, but it is possible that an electrolysis process driving atoms off into the electrolytic solution of the sweat might just form chromium salts or chelations that would be nutritionally useful in the body.

Both Virginia and I take chromium supplements for the maintenance of optimum blood sugar levels. Type 2 diabetes can be managed with chromium supplements, and is a must for folks with hyperglycemia to prevent their decline into type 2 diabetes.

Tin on the other hand is toxic to the liver

Hyper or Hypo?

I think the skin-electrolysis issue could be readily addressed by changing the meter from using a DC current to an AC one, but if the meter is to be taken seriously as a useful device that may be an extra layer of complexity.

Allen, Was this in the US? Any still available? $30 would be lower cost than having to buy an electroplating rig and stuff to do my chromium trick.

I only stuck with the tin shit because it is "standard tech" . . . . aaagh, God! I need to be punished . . . what was I thinking

I did look at the idea of getting an electroplating kit (easily bought on the internet) last year. The more I think about it, the more I think chromium plating is the way to go . . . unless the gold plated cans are easily available.

Rog

Commercial electro-platers often do small batches. Gold plating of jewelry is common. It might be worth checking local suppliers for available pricing. Come to that, it might well be worth doing a batch of cans and then doing web-based reselling to recoup costs or even better.


Mark A. Baker

Remember that you are also likely to be paying for Gold plating on the INSIDE of the "can" where it will achieve SFA. I would suggest filling the inside with wax or some other sealant.

I know a person who cannot wear gold jewelry. His body "eats" it! So I think his choice would have to be Chrome.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Remember that you are also likely to be paying for Gold plating on the INSIDE of the "can" where it will achieve SFA. I would suggest filling the inside with wax or some other sealant.

Wax is unlikely to be viable as a solution as commercial plating baths tend to run hot. However, there are plastic masks which are used for this purpose available. Best check with local platers for their recommendations.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Dulloldfart]

Best check with local platers for their recommendations.

Moebius strip cans?

Paul

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Moebius strip cans?

Paul

Those are "Klein Bottles", and yes they would be ideal. Unfortunately, they are difficult to make to "spec".


Mark A. Baker

 

[Lesolee (Sith Lord)]

Remember that you are also likely to be paying for Gold plating on the INSIDE of the "can" where it will achieve SFA. I would suggest filling the inside with wax or some other sealant.

If the can is sealed at one end, you don't have to dip the whole can in the electroplating bath do you?

 

[ULRC/S]

Rog,
It was Oz, mate. Sorry, the gold cans all sold out years ago when we were still manufacturing our own emeter.

What we did was to go to a professional metal spinning place and get them custom made from copper, they had a mould/die that was intended for a light fitting, it was slightly conical and fitted the hand far better than a tubular regular can. Then took them to professional electroplaters, gold is a very standard process for them. After some 25 years of hard work, they still look like new!

Regards, Allen

 

[RogerB]

OK Gentlemen . . .

OK, Gentlemen,

A good exchange of info above.

With gold @ $1,000 an ounce, and I am getting richer in the process, it is a little bit too expensive for coating emeter cans with

Allen's custom job 20+ years ago was done with gold @ around $200-250. I did have a gold plating job done on my old Ozzie swim championship gold medal. Fact is, it is actually a silver medal that the authorities gold plated . . . solid gold being a little too expensive to be giving out willy-nilly. Problem was, that after fifty plus years of being admired/handled, the original light gold coating (electroplated at only a few molecules thick) was wearing off or otherwise the underlying silver was still able to "oxidize" through the thin layer of gold.

The re-plating I had done in 1995 or so, cost me $60+ for a one medal measuring 1.75" diameter. Today we are looking at serious money for gold @ four times more expensive than in 1995.

Looks like chrome is the way to go.

Rog

 

[Ted]

Good Morning, Rog.

One thing to consider is that gold can always be recovered. If the gold-plated cans don't work out for ya, just reclaim the gold for another use.

I used gold-plated tin cans for a while. They are very nice to hold and never need a cleanup.

 

[RogerB]

Good Morning, Rog.

One thing to consider is that gold can always be recovered. If the gold-plated cans don't work out for ya, just reclaim the gold for another use.

I used gold-plated tin cans for a while. They are very nice to hold and never need a cleanup.

Ted,

You trying to tempt me into being flashy, since I'm a gold-bug making money on it at the moment, into showing off with it on my cans?

Not a bad idea though . . . would make it easier to take my lolly out of the country when I go. You know, solid gold, 24 Kt, in various sizes . . . . hell, be real easy to beat the $10,000 limit

R

 

[Ted]

Ted,

You trying to tempt me into being flashy, since I'm a gold-bug making money on it at the moment, into showing off with it on my cans?

Not a bad idea though . . . would make it easier to take my lolly out of the country when I go. You know, solid gold, 24 Kt, in various sizes . . . . hell, be real easy to beat the $10,000 limit

R

Showing off your cans? No, no Rog! That's another thread!

But believe me, tin cans, even with gold plate, are not at all flashy.

 

[AnonOrange]

You guys always miss the whole point of my argument about the e-meter.

The needle variations you are trying to interpret are mostly due to the poor, variable contact your hands make with it. Forget the details about the exact can material, it's the contact that's the problem.

Red Bull cans do work and gold plated cans would make a better contact, but still, forget cans if you want to measure the body. Red Bull cans are very dependent on how wet your hands are. Also the top and bottom edges are not coated. In a previous test I did (red-neck e-metering) they actually had a lower resistance than steel asparagus cans. I tried again this morning (with dry hands) and it was the opposite.

Hubbard probably preferred the cans because the needle movement was more random and more "mystical", more difficult to interpret, leading to more bullshit.

Paul, please do a proper test, first setting up baseline measurements, going through the drills and then repeating those drills with the cans underwater at the same sensitivity.

 

[Ted]

You guys always miss the whole point of my argument about the e-meter.

The needle variations you are trying to interpret are mostly due to the poor, variable contact your hands make with it. Forget the details about the exact can material, it's the contact that's the problem.

Red Bull cans do work and gold plated cans would make a better contact, but still, forget cans if you want to measure the body. Red Bull cans are very dependent on how wet your hands are. Also the top and bottom edges are not coated. In a previous test I did (red-neck e-metering) they actually had a lower resistance than steel asparagus cans. I tried again this morning (with dry hands) and it was the opposite.

Hubbard probably preferred the cans because the needle movement was more random and more "mystical", more difficult to interpret, leading to more bullshit.

Paul, please do a proper test, first setting up baseline measurements, going through the drills and then repeating those drills with the cans underwater at the same sensitivity.

AO, I know you are convinced of the rightness of your perceptions, thoughts, conclusions, and actions, but you are about as wrong as a person can be while still having a pulse.

 

[Panda Termint]

^^^^^^

 

[AnonOrange]

AO, I know you are convinced of the rightness of your perceptions, thoughts, conclusions, and actions, but you are about as wrong as a person can be while still having a pulse.

Paul's first underwater test CLEARLY showed I was right. What's even more fascinating, is that it was YOU that suggested the underwater test.

Now all your replies are adhominums and you totally ignore the clear hard facts YOU helped expose.

Look buddy, YOU got conned by Hubbard. He was a crook, a liar a bullshitter. None of what he originated had any validity.

Yet you hang on to the tech, because you hate being proven wrong. You spend thousands of hours and dollars and just like someone who bought the wrong stock at the peak, will hang on to it right, watching the charts every day, down to where it is worthless.

Ted, the tech is WORTHLESS. Get a grip! (pun intended)

 

[RogerB]

I think That Sums it Up!

AO, I know you are convinced of the rightness of your perceptions, thoughts, conclusions, and actions, but you are about as wrong as a person can be while still having a pulse.

I think that sums it up, and is about as right as can be.

Either AO is deliberately trying to be provocative by knowingly screwing things up, or he is so dull as to be beyond comprehension.

Of course, the meter responds to wet hands and squeezes . . . so what. That is not the basis of what the meter is used for nor used to read. Either AO is willfully blind to all that has been said to him and is available in written material, or is too dull to be able to take it all in and apply it.

R

 

[Dulloldfart]

Today we are looking at serious money for gold @ four times more expensive than in 1995.

Looks like chrome is the way to go.

Rog

Let me get out my slide rule. . . .

Can for gorilla = 6" long x 3" diameter = approx. 50 in^2. 2 cans = 100 in^2 = 650 cm^2.

Thickness of plating. "Heavy gold plate" per this webpage is 2.5 microns (1 micron = 1 millionth of a metre = 10^-6 metres = 10^-4 cm). Let's do pure gold.

Amount of gold needed = 650 x 10^-4 x 2.5 cm^3 = .16 cm^3 = approx 3 grams = $110. Plus service charges.

Hmmm. Yes, indeed. Expensive! Considering a thicker plating may be needed with the heavy usage a pair of cans in session for several hours a day could get.

Especially as the gold plate will get absorbed into the body too, and Hulda Clarke isn't too impressed with what gold does to the body either.

Paul

 

[AnonOrange]

I think that sums it up, and is about as right as can be.

Either AO is deliberately trying to be provocative by knowingly screwing things up, or he is so dull as to be beyond comprehension.

Of course, the meter responds to wet hands and squeezes . . . so what. That is not the basis of what the meter is used for nor used to read. Either AO is willfully blind to all that has been said to him and is available in written material, or is too dull to be able to take it all in and apply it.

R

I'm not trying to be provocative at all. I'm just trying (VERY hard) after about 1000 posts on that ONE subject that in normal auditing, what you are measuring is not what you think.

Roger, I don't know how much of the e-meter threads you have read, but all my opponents started saying that an auditor could easily differentiate grip/sweat with actual body readings. Paul has shown that it's impossible.

95% of the movement of the needle is because of the poor contact quality. The remaining 5% is being debated and I have made suggestions as to it's causes.

So Roger, if your meter needle moves like a wiperblade when the hands are dry and the motion suddently stops when underwater, how reliable were those dry hands measurements? Can you just please answer that?

And for the more advanced people, familiar with the discussion, why is it that the Galvanic Skin Response works when the hands are dry and stops working when underwater.

I've asked the expert on GSR (Zinj) about 10 times and I still don't have a reply. I believe I have the answer, but I want to give him a chance first.

 

[AnonShaw]

I hate to say this guys

But AO is right, the e-meter is a crude device and it doesn't read your mind....

I never thought I'd see the day when AO sounded like the reasonable one (ok with all his insult and self inflated ego he still sounds like a cunt.)

 

[alex]

AO's insistence that the emeter works on the ideomotor effect is his contradiction of his own hypothesis.

The ideomotor effect is an unconscious response.

If the emeter relies on the ideomotor effect, it is "reading" the unconscious mind, by its effects.

I dont agree that the ideomotoer effect is what the meter does, but AO asserts it.

How and what the emeter reads in a physical sense is less important that the FACT that is does react to thought. And that is its purpose.

 

[Zinjifar]

Ever since AO softened his *original* position from 'It's all sweat and squeeze' to 'it's *mostly* sweat and squeeze' whatever he thought he was trying to prove became irrelevant.

Zinj