Question

[Telepathetic]

"The lies I told aren't true any more" - me

What we consider to be true, at any given moment, most likely will be seen as only a qualified truth, later, and probably wouldn't be predicted by our earlier conceptions of what was true.

That's why I like to say a lie is an impression you try to impart that you know departs from your present conception of truth. Without the intention to lie, it's just another untrue statement, not necessarily a lie.

The quote, from above, is from how I felt about my marriage vows after my divorce. They were true when I made them. They were lies when we divorced.

I guess this would apply also to us as Scientologist. When we were "regging" or recruiting or whatever in the church, we
thought we dealing with truth. Had anyone at that time told me otherwise...I would have spit in their face. But look at me now...rabidly antagonistic.

What I was thinking of though when I posted this was...that it would be rather boring if things were different here on earth and perhaps we are here to learn by experience. If there were no antagonists then what would the game be like?

I guess it was a silly question to ask in the first place. The answer seems obvious,to me anyway...if such deceit did not exist it wouldn't be planet earth.

TP

 

[Telepathetic]

I've read bits of his Ultimate Journey. But I'm not too much interested in one person's spiritual journeying, as such are prey to delusion. Newton is expressing mostly commonalities, things that are similar and unsuggested from client to client over thousands of deep hynosis cases. Big difference.

Paul

I agree with you, it's just that I see Monroe and his team of "Explorers" as more of these individuals who seem to have had similar experiences. Even though the possibility exist that Monroe's group might have been influenced by his own spiritual journey their experiences are none the less very similar to Newton's patients.

TP

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[Dulloldfart]

I agree with you, it's just that I see Monroe and his team of "Explorers" as more of these individuals who seem to have had similar experiences. Even though the possibility exist that Monroe's group might have been influenced by his own spiritual journey their experiences are none the less very similar to Newton's patients.

Is there anywhere online I could find a write-up of such? The bits of Monroe I have read seem different.

Paul

 

[Telepathetic]

I found the Monroe Gateway experience stuff very powerful, and by powerful, I meant it had a strong effect on my consciousness, and sometimes I would just be laughing really hard at how my attention was being focused around. I found it fascinating. I particularly liked "ten-state". In fact, I'll probably go do some of that, tonight. Definitely induces a sense of exteriorization in me. Not that I go flying around the room (or the Van Allen Belt, for that matter), but I cease feeling so connected to what is going on in my life, and even being connected to any of my senses.

The only thing I could compare being in "ten-state" to would be how I felt when I was in a coma. Like being aware that I'm aware, but not anything else, since in a coma, you don't have access to your senses. I felt like I was just floating through time. In the coma it was terrifying, because I knew something was wrong with me and that my body was fighting for life. In the Monroe Gateway experience, this wasn't the case, obviously. I knew I could end the effect at any point, and the effect wasn't as strong.

Yes sir, I have had similar experiences!! The "ten state" is quit a high The closest thing to it for me was doing OTTRO for 2 hours straight...but not quit.

It is funny and I don't usually like saying things like this...but since I started the Gateway Experience I feel as if I'm being guided toward particular books, music,films and information in general.

TP

 

[alex]

Is there anywhere online I could find a write-up of such? The bits of Monroe I have read seem different.

Paul

There is a monroe forum, on the monroe site.

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/forum/ which has some personal experiences and the kind of questions people have... (its not as busy as esmb by far though)

Monroes books are all his own experiences, but he died in '95.

I've never seen the "source" material for the courses offered by the institute.

Here is an outline of the programs...

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/program-list/

and some downloadable audio of actual recorded experiences and talks by people who have done them...

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/downloads/

Monroe talking about his lab procedures...

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/downloads/explorer-series-24/

Links to articles in their journal...

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/journal/

Their training program...

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/ftp/

Scroll down on

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Probably the most relevant to your question.

for links to independent research.

HTH

 

[Dulloldfart]

HTH

Thanks, Alex, but TL;DR for me right now, although I might come back to it. What I like about Newton's books is that they are well-planned summaries of his decades of work, expressing commonalities, and the individual cases he cites are often chosen because they are representative of the whole.

Reading a forum containing people's individual experiences or ideas is like trying to glean general truths from reading one person's sessions from their pc folder. And a link to dozens of general articles doesn't help me narrow it down to what I want.

Paul

 

[Telepathetic]

Is there anywhere online I could find a write-up of such? The bits of Monroe I have read seem different.

Paul

Paul,

Here is the website: The Monroe Institute <[email protected]>

Also, Rosalind A Mcknight has a book called "Cosmic Journeys," she was one of his early "Explorers."

 

[Dulloldfart]

Paul,

Here is the website: The Monroe Institute <[email protected]>

Also, Rosalind A Mcknight has a book called "Cosmic Journeys," she was one of his early "Explorers."

I don't see that that answers my question, TP. Is there anyone who has summarized online the commonalities of Monroe travellers, like Newton has with his cases?

And please don't give me an answer equivalent to "It's in Hubbard's lectures."

Paul

 

[Wisened One]

I've seen your photos Michelle, nothing would make you look fat.

Or the white lie version....

Oh, those jeans are so slimming on you!

 

[Dulloldfart]

I've seen your photos Michelle, nothing would make you look fat.

Or the white lie version....

Oh, those jeans are so slimming on you!

I like the Aussie response (not related to WO!) of "Course they do mate, but at least it takes people's attention off your face."

Paul

 

[alex]

Thanks, Alex, but TL;DR for me right now, although I might come back to it. What I like about Newton's books is that they are well-planned summaries of his decades of work, expressing commonalities, and the individual cases he cites are often chosen because they are representative of the whole.

Reading a forum containing people's individual experiences or ideas is like trying to glean general truths from reading one person's sessions from their pc folder. And a link to dozens of general articles doesn't help me narrow it down to what I want.

Paul

Yes. But the difference between Newton and the Monroe institute is that Newton is retired, while people in the Monroe programs are actively going into the "between lives area" and interacting and helping others there.

In addition they participate with active research by academics.


There is a great deal of information on the site, sorry I cant find one article that aggregates the information relevant to this.

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page is the best place to put what attention you are willing, on.

I can not explain auditing with one HCOB either.

 

[Francois Tremblay]

How interesting would a world be in which everyone was honest and told the truth?

TP

That's an impossible scenario, since there's no such thing as "THE truth" (except certain trivial propositions like "I exist"). You're in the domain of religious absolutism, not reality.

 

[Telepathetic]

I don't see that that answers my question, TP. Is there anyone who has summarized online the commonalities of Monroe travellers, like Newton has with his cases?

And please don't give me an answer equivalent to "It's in Hubbard's lectures."

Paul

Sorry Paul, I don't if there is such a thing. I look in Monroe's web-site and see.

TP

 

[Telepathetic]

That's an impossible scenario, since there's no such thing as "THE truth" (except certain trivial propositions like "I exist"). You're in the domain of religious absolutism, not reality.

I agree.

I said earlier, after thinking about it, that it was a silly question...:confused2: Sorry, I just exposed myself mentally masturbating

TP

 

[Dulloldfart]

Sorry Paul, I don't if there is such a thing. I look in Monroe's web-site and see.

TP

OK, thanks. I don't expect you to do a whole lot of research on my behalf. I was just wondering if you or anyone else knew of such a summary offhand.

Paul