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PirateAndBum

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Look just because he was trying to sell you your eternity;

sell you a state called OT which you already are;

sell you a bridge

get you to sell your soul to him.

Is there a problem? :omg:
 

HelluvaHoax!

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---snipped for brevity---

This whole thing about "home universes" is so STUPID....

And, so so many don't or can't see this - that they have bought into a whole new bundle of exaggerated significances & considerations. :ohmy: :yes:


Even after going "home" Dorothy didn't resign at the reg.

She looked at her tech estimate and walked out, after exclaiming:

R6 and Gorilla Implants and Xenu, oh my!
 

PirateAndBum

Gold Meritorious Patron
:hysterical:

Yeah, but you are home.

Earth is not a "prison planet". This is where we live.

Oh well, if you are bummed out. . .

1. Fly a Rud.

2. Have a beer.​

Thanks, I feel MUCH better now. Had to go earlier similar...

764,856,244 trillion years ago there was this lovely little planet called Home. Then some asshole with a cowboy hat stopped in and the fucked everything up. He claimed he was a professional planet fixer upper. Only too late we realized our planet didn't need any fixer-uppering.
 
Even after going "home" Dorothy didn't resign at the reg.

She looked at her tech estimate and walked out, after exclaiming:

R6 and Gorilla Implants and Xenu, oh my!

As a member of PETA I must protest the over use of the Gorilla implants in your humor. There are many other implants that don't involve the use of animals, such as the Hellatrobis or the Heaven implants. Please restrain from further use of Gorillas in your slander of Scientology, or you will have a protest out front of your Hoaxology HQ you won't soon forget!

Mimsey
 

NoName

A Girl Has No Name
I am interested in what you think were the logical gaps in my posts to that person.

None of my statements about logical gaps apply to your posts. I can't even find your posts to her right at the moment, Lol. I was talking about the new member thread where there were some unsupported assertions going both ways. For example, Tone Scale works was met with claims there are other things outside the Co$ but no examples. Also a well-meant tongue in cheek statement suggesting LRH is a fraud wasn't supported with so much as a link.

I agree that the tone scale is stupid and LRH is a fraud, but I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. Especially not someone who has just started to figure out they were conned by the Co$
 

NoName

A Girl Has No Name
As a member of PETA I must protest the over use of the Gorilla implants in your humor. There are many other implants that don't involve the use of animals, such as the Hellatrobis or the Heaven implants. Please restrain from further use of Gorillas in your slander of Scientology, or you will have a protest out front of your Hoaxology HQ you won't soon forget!

Mimsey

Can I slander thetan-shitting dog statues?
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Note: Though, to some degree, many or all "indie Scientologists" also suffer from some similar version of this same sort of redefining of what is Scientology and a Scientologist (in direct contradiction to Hubbard's own overly clear HCOBs, HCOPLs, tapes and books).


There is such profound confusion Scientologists already have about Hubbard's definitions, owing to the Hubbard Law of Commotion, when the cult bifurcates into new denominations (Indie, FZ, Ron's Org, Mark's Org, et al) the cult members' exponential disorientation can be expressed mathematically as:



It defines the product of the equation: (C) x (C) x (C); where:

C = Cult Member's naive Conclusions & Confidence.

C = Confused Concepts that cannot be Cleared.

C = Contradictory Cult Concoctions, Contrivances & Concealments.​


Every Hubbard cult faction has their own peculiar definitions for the same terms.

Scientologists cannot even agree on a simple term like "SP".

Hubbard defines SP and lists the crimes and high crimes like squirreling, breaking away from the COS, not Keeping Scientology Working by altering even a word of his scripture, et al.

Then Indies commit an incalculable number of those high crimes, teach that OT III is an allegory and never really happened, squirrel the Bridge and other sacred abominations. But the Indies constantly talk about KSW and keeping the tech pure. And they declare the leaders of COS to be SPs.

The COS declares Indies SPs, just as Ron would have. And they Fair Game Indies just as Ron dictated in policies.

But, then the Indies (knowing that Ron would destroy them if he had the chance) say that Ron is their "greatest friend" and they dedicate their lives to "flowing power" to the Commodore.

So, Indies declares COS Scientologists and COB an SP. COS declares Indies are SP. Both Indies and COS thinks the FZ and Ron's Org and Bakerologists and ESMBers are SPs. The real SPs (Scientologists applying the SP tech) say that SPs don't apply the SP tech because they are SPs. But they don't apply the SP tech, which is okay because they are KSW.

It doesn't have to make sense; it's Scientology.
 

Ogsonofgroo

Crusader
Thanks Hoaxy, unfortunately your post bespeaks the confused 'truth' of the delema faced by those willing (or not so) to give up what they cannot lose, to gain something they cannot hold.
Sad it is :(
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Look just because he was trying to sell you your eternity;

sell you a state called OT which you already are;

sell you a bridge

get you to sell your soul to him.

Is there a problem? :omg:


Ummmm....

Well, let's see. All my time. All my money. All my freedom. What do I get in return? Hmmmm. Oh, a certificate in a frame that I am allowed to hold overhead for promo.

That sounds like a good deal to me.

Sure, I'll do it!
 

HelluvaHoax!

Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
Thanks Hoaxy, unfortunately your post bespeaks the confused 'truth' of the delema faced by those willing (or not so) to give up what they cannot lose, to gain something they cannot hold.
Sad it is :(


HellYeah!

Here is the real killah in Scientology.

Even if you study EXACTLY what Hubbard says and clear every definition and clay demo everything--there is still no hope to understand it. Because....

1) There is a contradictory part for everything in Scientology. If you understand that Ron says something is good, it will later be proven that it is bad. If you agree that fire engines are red, you will flunk on the HCOPL that says that they are green.
There is no way to understand it because there is no "it". There are just oceans of assertions that are filled with contradictions.

2) Even if you happen to understand one part of Scientology TEMPORARILY and apply it, it will NEVER do what it says it is supposed to do. Unless you broadly define Clear, OT and Total Freedom as a "win" and then every time you have a "win" you think you are achieving Clear, OT and Total Freedom.

It's a freaking mess, Scientology is.

That is the reason that Scientologists do moronic things like go bankrupt and allow themselves to be imprisoned, beaten and terrorized.

Scientology actually makes people compliant, stupid slaves.

Natter? :hysterical:

That itself (the concept of "natter") is a good way to get slaves to re-attach their shackles if they inadvertently slip off.
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
None of my statements about logical gaps apply to your posts. I can't even find your posts to her right at the moment, Lol. I was talking about the new member thread where there were some unsupported assertions going both ways. For example, Tone Scale works was met with claims there are other things outside the Co$ but no examples. Also a well-meant tongue in cheek statement suggesting LRH is a fraud wasn't supported with so much as a link.

I agree that the tone scale is stupid and LRH is a fraud, but I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. Especially not someone who has just started to figure out they were conned by the Co$

Oh, ok, thanks. Well, I do want to learn to put my arguments more clearly, so feel free to comment if you do notice something.
 

Kerry

Patron with Honors
Ron's orgs' blow my mind~! Poor old Xenu was declared a suppresive person !!! :nervous:

http://www.freezone.org/cbr/sector9/e_sob20.htm

This mostly looks to me like one of my son's early computer games... and the fact that these folks believe it's real is... astounding. (Like the virgin birth, for example -- and if can just indulge the board some more, ("A couple observations. First, nonfundamentalist Muslims don't take the cosmological parts of the Koran any more literally than nonfundamentalist Christians take the biblical story of Genesis. They understand the bits about virgins and so on as metaphors for 'the ineffable joys of the afterlife.'." hee hee. [my emphasis]. From http://www.straightdope.com/columns...ran-really-promise-islamic-martyrs-72-virgins - which is not a bad read I thought).

So I'm not picking only on Scientologists. Anyway, continuing with Ron's orgs scenarios:

"Xenu took the body of Adam Weishaupt and created the secret society known as the "Illuminati."

"In the 19th Century, Xenu carried on his plan for world domination by taking bodies in the Rothschild banking family. The infiltration and take-over of secret societies such as the Masons, a continuing part of his plan to gain "insider" control, was also accomplished."

"In the 20th Century, he and his conspirators influenced the exact points of monetary and political power needed to bring their world domination plan to its conclusion. Xenu controlled the body of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the American President, in the early 1940's and planned for the use and control of atomic and nuclear weapons to keep the populations of Earth in fear and terror."

"Discarding the body of FDR, Xenu then inhabited the body of Per Jacobsson, an international economist with the Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland....." And so on (and on and on and on).

Your babies are not safe even in a maternity ward. :ohmy:

OY~!
 

PirateAndBum

Gold Meritorious Patron
I read that and afterwards a huge sneeze escaped me causing a massive fart which then set off uncontrollable gibbering snorts of suppressed laughter which got my dog interested so he came over and started licking my face causing me to lean precipitously back in my chair to escape his slobber which proceeded to fall over in a most abrupt fashion .. well there was death & destruction galore but it's too gruesome to further detail.

Please, the dangers of this upper level material must be carefully controlled.
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
Ron's orgs' blow my mind~! Poor old Xenu was declared a suppresive person !!! :nervous:

http://www.freezone.org/cbr/sector9/e_sob20.htm

This mostly looks to me like one of my son's early computer games... and the fact that these folks believe it's real is... astounding. (Like the virgin birth, for example -- and if can just indulge the board some more, ("A couple observations. First, nonfundamentalist Muslims don't take the cosmological parts of the Koran any more literally than nonfundamentalist Christians take the biblical story of Genesis. They understand the bits about virgins and so on as metaphors for 'the ineffable joys of the afterlife.'." hee hee. [my emphasis]. From http://www.straightdope.com/columns...ran-really-promise-islamic-martyrs-72-virgins - which is not a bad read I thought).

So I'm not picking only on Scientologists. Anyway, continuing with Ron's orgs scenarios:

"Xenu took the body of Adam Weishaupt and created the secret society known as the "Illuminati."

"In the 19th Century, Xenu carried on his plan for world domination by taking bodies in the Rothschild banking family. The infiltration and take-over of secret societies such as the Masons, a continuing part of his plan to gain "insider" control, was also accomplished."

"In the 20th Century, he and his conspirators influenced the exact points of monetary and political power needed to bring their world domination plan to its conclusion. Xenu controlled the body of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the American President, in the early 1940's and planned for the use and control of atomic and nuclear weapons to keep the populations of Earth in fear and terror."

"Discarding the body of FDR, Xenu then inhabited the body of Per Jacobsson, an international economist with the Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland....." And so on (and on and on and on).

Your babies are not safe even in a maternity ward. :ohmy:

OY~!

The Truth Will Set You Free.

Scientology can set you free even when it's truth isn't true!

You know that none of what you quoted is meant to be taken lireally.

But the fact of the matter is that when people audit that on Excalibur, they achieve massive case-gain and wins wins wins wins.

Are you against people having wins wins wins wins wins?
 

Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
Ron's orgs' blow my mind~! Poor old Xenu was declared a suppresive person !!! :nervous:

http://www.freezone.org/cbr/sector9/e_sob20.htm

This mostly looks to me like one of my son's early computer games... and the fact that these folks believe it's real is... astounding. (Like the virgin birth, for example -- and if can just indulge the board some more, ("A couple observations. First, nonfundamentalist Muslims don't take the cosmological parts of the Koran any more literally than nonfundamentalist Christians take the biblical story of Genesis. They understand the bits about virgins and so on as metaphors for 'the ineffable joys of the afterlife.'." hee hee. [my emphasis]. From http://www.straightdope.com/columns...ran-really-promise-islamic-martyrs-72-virgins - which is not a bad read I thought).

So I'm not picking only on Scientologists. Anyway, continuing with Ron's orgs scenarios:

"Xenu took the body of Adam Weishaupt and created the secret society known as the "Illuminati."

"In the 19th Century, Xenu carried on his plan for world domination by taking bodies in the Rothschild banking family. The infiltration and take-over of secret societies such as the Masons, a continuing part of his plan to gain "insider" control, was also accomplished."

"In the 20th Century, he and his conspirators influenced the exact points of monetary and political power needed to bring their world domination plan to its conclusion. Xenu controlled the body of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the American President, in the early 1940's and planned for the use and control of atomic and nuclear weapons to keep the populations of Earth in fear and terror."

"Discarding the body of FDR, Xenu then inhabited the body of Per Jacobsson, an international economist with the Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland....." And so on (and on and on and on).

Your babies are not safe even in a maternity ward. :ohmy:

OY~!

OK, that is just sick. Having looked into the NWO CT stuff myself, it dates way back to the origins of Catholicism.

I also vow and declare that I have never occupied a Rothschild body, FDR nor Per Jacobsson. I'm still locked away by that force field powered by an "eternal" battery. :hysterical:
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
If you believe in reincarnation, this sort of stuff is inevitable. Perhaps not the cheesy names and stories, but the eternal bad guys, the eternal good guys, and the games they would play.
 

Demented LRH

Patron Meritorious
Let's take a look at what the scientists say about Scientology.

1. The engrams do not exist, as the research done at NYU shows. This means that Dianetics is a piece of shit.

2. The OT experiences is a series of hallucinations (I covered this topic at the thread OT Hallucinations posted at OCMB). The views presented at that thread are not mine but of the psycholgists who analyze self-induced hallucinations.

3. The Management Series are the rantings of an idiot who has absolutely no knowledge of the economics. I have MS in Financial Engineering, which shows that I am qualified to analyze the Hubbard shit. I presented my analysis at an OCMB thread, The Incredibly Idiotic Management Series.

What is left of Scientology?

a). The SP doctrine. Hubbard borrowed it from Stalin, so this is not his invention.

b). The notion of the reincarnation, which is used in several religions; Hubbard did not invent it, either.

c). Family counceling. That shit does not work because of the SP declares.

d). The Hubbard instructions on car painting. THIS WORKS!!!
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
Demented One, You actually think you know something about this stuff, don't you?

Tsk tsk . . .

Scientology 101: when faced with undeniable facts and/or irrefutable logic, apply ad homs.

. . . handy hint: addressing the content of a post rather than the poster personally aids discussion, and may well expose flaws in the premise as posited. Of course, it may also result in strengthening the premise . . . oh, now I get it.
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Lol, nevermind, Infinite.

I always get pissed off at posters/posts which make me feel like arguing for scientology.

You should know that by now! :biggrin:
 
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