Scientology is all bad

[phenomanon]

This is not NED auditing, I know that. But it is a part of the old Dianetics, although a tiny part. I chose this auditing session not as an example of what Dianetics is/was, but to demostrate how Hubbard was using valid psychological procedures that he did not invent.

I started auditing Dn from DMSMH in 1951 when we were still auditing by command phrases. I audited Dn & Scn thru the years until I left the Cult. Never, in all those years, was there anything resembling what you have posted, done and called Dn nor auditing.
It was, and it is not, auditing of any sort.

While it is true that LRH took material from others, I think that you should render unto Hubbard that which is Hubbard's. He, at the very least, put the damned stuff together.

Just to satisfy my curiosity, what are you referring to as 'vol 1 & Vol 11? Where did you get these volumes?

phenomanon

 

[Demented LRH]

PS: I really don't know WHEN the spiritual being actually enters the body.. If that information is somewhere in my head, I haven't accessed it. (Assuming folks here believe there IS a spiritual being)

With this in mind.. let us GUESS that the spiritual being enters the body at birth, and that there is also a Genetic Entity that entered the body immediately at conception.. who would be around for any prenatal type incidents.. All Guesses on my part. (If you believe there is anything called a GE)

If this is True, then when LRH told you you HAD to run Prenatals, and you struggled to find one, it would not be YOU, but the Genetic Entity you were addressing,

IF you came up with any information at all.. that would further CONFUSE your File Clerk (Which I think is just another name for YOU) into a WHO AM I REALLY Mode, and further keep the mind/being/GE in a state of some kind of confusion.

Am I ME? Am I the GE.. and the GE might be thinking, am I him? LOL Or the GE would not be getting acknowledged for who He was.. etc.. There is tech that addresses the GE directly.. and we have also used some of that from time to time with interesting results/wins.

IF any of this is true, it could be another way that LRH meant to trap us and NOT free us. All Total Speculation on my part.. however.. in the literally THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of hours that my friend and I have run our brand of Dianetics, NOBODY has run a prenatal. They have run a birth engram, YES, but NO prenatals..

When I was a Scientologist, the definition of GE screwed me badly because I could not understand what it is; the word-clearing did not help. GE is neither a thetan nor a physical body, that I understand. But where did it come from and what is its purpose, if any?

 

[Demented LRH]

No.
Dox or STFU

phenomanao

You want DOX? Buy Volume I of Dianetics Series and read it.

Regarding your previous post -- In my estimate, the book 1 material was insufficient for the auditing, so I took Volume I and studied it, after that I studied Volume II. My auditing was based on these Volumes. Then one day I was told that much of this material is no longer in use, it was replaced by the NED material. That did not bother me at all, I continued auditing based on the first two Volumes.

To me the material discussed at this thread also proves that Dianetics had undergone fundamental changes.

PS. I found Volume I at NYC Org (they have a Dianetics library there). I also found Volume I and II at OT Org in LA.

 

[xianu]

It is logically unsound to say that Scn/Dn is all bad. All is hard to prove.

I would say how much good and how much bad is irrelevant. It's like the communist party argue among themselves how much to blame Mao for the cultural revolution. They settled at 30% bad, which is pretty meaningless. Millions died.

I would think every course, or every piece of tech is like a honey pot, with varying sizes. For each pot there is always at least a small payload of bad things, like addictive drugs, or I would say a program to selectively peel off your rational reasoning. (Thought stopping is similar but sounds too simplified.) You can't accept the honey pot without moving a step towards being an absolute obedience zombie in some matters.

If you accept Dn, you have to accept that it's a science. LRH says so. You have to accept that you are worse than the Nazis, that 2% of the population can be removed without sorrow. And that homesexuals are aberrations. (It's not. Evolutions go in all directions and in all stages, doesn't have to explain itself in a millions years.)

If you accept PTS/SP then you will always find someone to blame, regardless whether you can prove it or not. If you accept that the 3rd party rule is basically true, maybe 30%. Soon it will be 100%, and whenever a person critizes Scn, you KNOW that the psycs sent him and he is an SP, that you can remove him without sorrow.

So I can't agree with the indies, unless you officially remove these payloads in all LRH tech. You will end up like the current CoS sooner or in a billion years. The guys you attract to Scn will be willing to remove 2% of the population silently without sorrow. Most likely they didn't think twice about it when they first read the book. But that's gradual peeling off in effect.

It doesn't matter when Marty says the Xenu story is a metaphor like genesis. Unless you change auditing drastically, people will end up going back to trillions and trillions of years to their previous alien life, long before they have the money to reach OT3.

 

[MrNobody]

It is logically unsound to say that Scn/Dn is all bad. All is hard to prove.

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You wanna talk logics? OK. So what is good in Scientology that can't be found somewhere else (and usually for a much cheaper price)?

 

[Gib]

You wanna talk logics? OK. So what is good in Scientology that can't be found somewhere else (and usually for a much cheaper price)?

Because it's an "organized body of knowledge fro 50,000 years of man's thinking.

That's a selling point showing how learned LRH was. How OT he was.

Now I say selling point. So one involved has to ask himself, how learned was LRH really?

 

[xianu]

You wanna talk logics? OK. So what is good in Scientology that can't be found somewhere else (and usually for a much cheaper price)?

I have to dig up my high school text books to work it out. But I think you just proved that Scn is not original, or it's expensive, among others.

 

[MrNobody]

Because it's an "organized body of knowledge fro 50,000 years of man's thinking.

Says who?

That's a selling point showing how learned LRH was. How OT he was.

Now I say selling point. So one involved has to ask himself, how learned was LRH really?

Oh, we're talking sales here? OK, that's an easy one. Sales people only need to know and understand 2 things: How much does it cost me and for for how much can I sell it?

The answer for the old Hubtard is easy: It cost him the time to write his shit up 60 years ago and he still sells it for a heap of cash. A pretty good deal. For him. And only for him and his minions.

I have to dig up my high school text books to work it out. But I think you just proved that Scn is not original, or it's expensive, among others.

Well, wake me up if you've consulted your books.

 

[Panda Termint]

When I was a Scientologist, the definition of GE screwed me badly because I could not understand what it is; the word-clearing did not help. GE is neither a thetan nor a physical body, that I understand. But where did it come from and what is its purpose, if any?

If you really haven't understood the concept of the GE (Genetic Entity) then a lot of the Hubbardian paradigm will be hard to follow.

I could tell you but then I'd have to [strike]kill[/strike]bill you.

Oh, OK. Try thinking of the GE as the Body's "Reactive Mind" as opposed to the Thetan's "Reactive Mind". It probably won't help but what the heck!

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

Because it's an "organized body of knowledge fro 50,000 years of man's thinking.

That's a selling point showing how learned LRH was. How OT he was.

Now I say selling point. So one involved has to ask himself, how learned was LRH really?

Hubbard's Academic Records 1930-1932
George Washington University,
School of Engineering
1st semester 1930-31
English 1 / 2 , Rhetoric C
General Chemistry D
Mechanical Engineering 3/4 B
Analytical Geometry F
Physical Education C
First Year German E
Civil Engineering B
2nd semester 1930-1931
General chemistry D
Mechanical Engineering C
Physical Education A
First Year German F
Differential Calculus F
1st semester 1931-1932
Physics, Dynamics of Sound and Sight E
Differential Calculus D
Plane Analytical Geometry D
English, Short Stories B
2nd semester 1931-1932
Integral Calculus D
English, Short Stories B
Physics, Electricity and Magnetism D
Nuclear Physics F
Hubbard dropped out of George Washington University, never attaining a degree or an education.
AVERAGE GRADE: D

A poser, a charlatan, a very smert con-artist (which I suppose could be construed as some sort of psychotic genius), who managed to rope thousands of well-meaning dupes into his twisted visions (and far too many remain).

LRon+gullability= The 'Science' of Stupid= SoS or some such so on and so forth....

 

[Gib]

A poser, a charlatan, a very smert con-artist (which I suppose could be construed as some sort of psychotic genius), who managed to rope thousands of well-meaning dupes into his twisted visions (and far too many remain).

LRon+gullability= The 'Science' of Stupid= SoS or some such so on and so forth....

Thank you for responding to the purpose of my post. Which is for those in to question such things.

 

[Gib]

Says who?



Oh, we're talking sales here? OK, that's an easy one. Sales people only need to know and understand 2 things: How much does it cost me and for for how much can I sell it?

The answer for the old Hubtard is easy: It cost him the time to write his shit up 60 years ago and he still sells it for a heap of cash. A pretty good deal. For him. And only for him and his minions.



Well, wake me up if you've consulted your books.

Thank you for responding to my post. And purpose is to allow those that lurk here to question such things, don't you think?

 

[Gib]

It's called Therapeautic Abreaction, and has largely been abandoned, due it's proving to be of negligable benefit to most trauma sufferers, and actually injurious to some.

Dianetics and Scientology are two forms of abreaction that science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard borrowed from the United States Navy [2] when he spent three months in a San Diego hospital in 1943 with the complaints of an ulcer and malaria.[3] Hubbard later wrote, in his autobiography "My Philosophy," that he had observed abreactive therapy in the hospital, though in later life he claimed to have made the "discovery" on his own after being wounded in battle and given up as untreatable.[4] The United States Navy abandoned abreaction at the end of World War Two as they found it made post traumatic stress victims worse,[5] with no observable benefits.[6]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abreaction

"It's called Therapeautic Abreaction, and has largely been abandoned, due it's proving to be of negligable benefit to most trauma sufferers, and actually injurious to some."

You got a source for your statement?

 

[Gib]

"It's called Therapeautic Abreaction, and has largely been abandoned, due it's proving to be of negligable benefit to most trauma sufferers, and actually injurious to some."

You got a source for your statement?

You do, my bad.

 

[MrNobody]

Thank you for responding to my post. And purpose is to allow those that lurk here to question such things, don't you think?

Well, I've found my answers long ago. If I could, I would demand that every member or lurker finds their own answers to these questions.

 

[Gib]

Well, I've found my answers long ago. If I could, I would demand that every member or lurker finds their own answers to these questions.

Please explain more, I don't understand.

 

[TG1]

Gib,

I don't design my posts here as "performance art" to benefit those who are lurking.

I post and answer and comment as I wish at that moment.

TG1

 

[Gib]

Gib,

I don't design my posts here as "performance art" to benefit those who are lurking.

I post and answer and comment as I wish at that moment.

TG1

excellent.

I post to help others who lurk here to look and see and determine for themselves if the subject called scientology under the guise of current management is worthy of themselves being a part of. After that statement, I don't care what anybody says.

And I don't care if anybody follows whatever system they wish to follow or promote. My only purpose here is to get people still in to look.

I don't give a fuck what anybody thinks or wants to promote or whatever.

So I talk.

 

[MrNobody]

Please explain more, I don't understand.

I'm too lazy to insert all the links, anyone who wants to know who said what can just click the little blue arrows to find the posts that have been quoted. So here's the short version:

You said: "Because it's an "organized body of knowledge from 50,000 years of man's thinking."

I asked: "Says who?" No answer.

Then you said "That's a selling point showing how learned LRH was. How OT he was. Now I say selling point." Then you asked "So one involved has to ask himself, how learned was LRH really?" which has been answered by Ogsonofgroo.

So then you asked "Thank you for responding to my post. And purpose is to allow those that lurk here to question such things, don't you think?"

To which I replied "Well, I've found my answers long ago. If I could, I would demand that every member or lurker finds their own answers to these questions."

So what exacty is it which you don't understand in my replies? :confused2:

 

[Gib]

I'm too lazy to insert all the links, anyone who wants to know who said what can just click the little blue arrows to find the posts that have been quoted. So here's the short version:

You said: "Because it's an "organized body of knowledge from 50,000 years of man's thinking."

I asked: "Says who?" No answer.

Then you said "That's a selling point showing how learned LRH was. How OT he was. Now I say selling point." Then you asked "So one involved has to ask himself, how learned was LRH really?" which has been answered by Ogsonofgroo.

So then you asked "Thank you for responding to my post. And purpose is to allow those that lurk here to question such things, don't you think?"

To which I replied "Well, I've found my answers long ago. If I could, I would demand that every member or lurker finds their own answers to these questions."

So what exacty is it which you don't understand in my replies? :confused2:

You misunderstand me. Understandable from my my point of view and your point of view.

I'll put it this why, I am asking people who visit this website to question what I post. that is all. My response to you is not to YOU. It is to people who are still in, to question these things that I say.

Mrnobody, I have no desire to change your viewpoint or opinion, or thoughts. I don't give a fuck what you say or promote or do or think.

My only desire is to allow those that lurk here to question things in the COS. Which maybe, they weren't allow to do before maybe reading here.