Scientology Success Story - Charles Manson

[Type4_PTS]

From a book review of: Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson

(I've not personally read this book as yet but found this review (on Amazon) interesting.)

Peace, Love, and Aberration
By Cynthia on August 6, 2013
Format: Hardcover

This is a mind expanding book. It's as much a social history of America and more specifically of California in the late sixties and the early seventies as it is a study of Manson and his so called family. Guin sets the context of Manson's story by delving into the genesis of the hippie movement in Haight-Ashbury and then as it extends across the country. One of the things that fascinates me so much about true crime is how someone comes to be involved in their crimes. What caused them to act this way? He takes us through an in depth look at Charlie's mother's growing years and her problems with her family, the law and her incarceration. So much of what Manson wants us to believe about his early years is his fabrication. He came from a loving but troubled southern family with strong (maybe too strong?) values. His grandmother and aunt and uncle did a lot to steer him towards good behavior as did his mother when she was released from prison but Charlie was a manipulative child almost from the beginning. He was a user.

During his reform school days and early adult prison stints he turned to the lessons of Dale Carnegie and Scientology not for guidance but as a way to perfect his use of others. He was motivated to be famous and determined to do anything he could to be in the limelight. He focused on becoming a musician but only accomplished rudimentary skills in that area though his self delusion told him others just couldn't appreciate his talent. He also especially looked down on women and was a rampant racist. He even fancied himself as Jesus Christ! The amazing thing is he was able to get others to believe his fantasies and to serve him.

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Full Review: http://www.amazon.com/review/R2B3JR...TF8&ASIN=1451645163&nodeID=283155&store=books

And also this, directly from the author of the book:

Charles Manson Was Never a Lunatic
by Jeff Guinn, author of Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson

In May 2011, I met Leslie Van Houten, the former Manson Family member serving a life sentence in the California Institution for Women for her role in the infamous Tate-LaBianca murders in August, 1969. At one point, I asked Leslie what she would want the world to know about her former leader Charles Manson.

“Everyone always asks how any of us could follow somebody who’s so obviously crazy,” she said. “I get so frustrated; they won’t believe me when I tell them that he never acted crazy around us. He just did that with outsiders.”

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Full Post: https://medium.com/extraordinary-lives/a27cdfa5da42

 

[Smurf]

Charles Manson's psychopathy started in his youth. His mother was a horrible parent & drug addicted prostitute. He was moved around alot between caretakers. I suspect if Manson had been loved & supported as a child & raised in a nurturing home, Manson would not have turned out the way he did.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/psychopath/1.html

Someone who follows the Manson family closely says Jeff Guinn's book sucks & is a rehash of other books since published.

http://tatelabianca.blogspot.com/2013/08/manson-by-jeff-gunn-book-report.html

 

[Type4_PTS]

Someone who follows the Manson family closely says Jeff Guinn's book sucks & is a rehash of other books since published.

http://tatelabianca.blogspot.com/2013/08/manson-by-jeff-gunn-book-report.html

They're entitled to their opinion, obviously, but many would disagree with it. Here's a graphic of the Amazon reviews showing that almost 90% of them are four star and above:

The characterization of the book as all a "rehash" though is simply not true.

Guinn interviewed members of Manson's family (biological) who have never been interviewed before.

And even some of the critical reviews out there acknowledge there is new information in the book, particularly with regards to Manson's early years. (including reviews from many who also read the other books on Manson as well)

 

[Smurf]

Re: Scientology Success Story- Charles Manson - Prosecutor dies

"Vincent T. Bugliosi, who successfully prosecuted the cult leader Charles Manson and several acolytes for the savage murders of the actress Sharon Tate and six other people in August 1969, then became a best-selling writer of true-crime books, died on Saturday in Los Angeles. He was 80.

He had been treated for cancer, his son, Vincent Jr., told The Associated Press in confirming the death."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/10/u...secutor-and-true-crime-author-dies-at-80.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/09/us/feat-vincent-bugliosi-dead

 

[SPsince83]

Re: Scientology Success Story- Charles Manson - Prosecutor dies

"Vincent T. Bugliosi, who successfully prosecuted the cult leader Charles Manson and several acolytes for the savage murders of the actress Sharon Tate and six other people in August 1969, then became a best-selling writer of true-crime books, died on Saturday in Los Angeles. He was 80.

He had been treated for cancer, his son, Vincent Jr., told The Associated Press in confirming the death."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/10/u...secutor-and-true-crime-author-dies-at-80.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/09/us/feat-vincent-bugliosi-dead

RIP Vince. Better than most.

 

[Little David]

It was in prison, apparently, that Manson became interested in Scientology. According to Helter Skelter, in the early sixties, Manson's tutor in Scientology was another convict, Lanier Rayner, and under his direction Manson claimed to have achieved Scientology's highest level, which he described as "Theta clear:" Bugliosi wrote that Manson, whose career goal was to gain recognition as a rock musician, remained interested in Scientology longer than in any other subject except music. A prison progress report written during that period asserted that Manson "appears to have developed a certain amount of insight into his problems through his study of this discipline."

Through the spring and summer of 1967, when Manson was recruiting members from the hippies, drifters and runaway flower children of the Haight, his fledgling Family had frequent interaction with an ominous tribe that lived just two blocks away. This was the archetypal sixties era religious cult called the Process, or the Church of the Final Judgment, a group whose members walked the streets in long black robes, preaching the imminent arrival of a violent Armageddon as presaged in the Book of Revelation. According to Bugliosi, the Process was founded by a former disciple of L. Ron Hubbard himself who broke with Scientology to form his own group after attaining an important position in Scientology's London headquarters Bugliosi cited numerous elements in Manson's worldview he believed were borrowed from the Process: distorted attitudes toward life and death, the worshipping of fear and violence, and a variety of satanic delusions and black revolutionary schemes."

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/charlesmanson.htm

 

[DeeAnna]

Re: Scientology Success Story- Charles Manson - Prosecutor dies

"Vincent T. Bugliosi, who successfully prosecuted the cult leader Charles Manson and several acolytes for the savage murders of the actress Sharon Tate and six other people in August 1969, then became a best-selling writer of true-crime books, died on Saturday in Los Angeles. He was 80.

He had been treated for cancer, his son, Vincent Jr., told The Associated Press in confirming the death."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/10/u...secutor-and-true-crime-author-dies-at-80.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/09/us/feat-vincent-bugliosi-dead

His books were fabulous! RIP

 

[ThetanExterior]

Helter Skelter is one of the best books I've ever read.

 

[Knows]

Charles Manson is the perfect example of how Scientology Works When Standardly Applied.

It kills, drives insane, causes others to harm themselves and others, exploits, ruins lives and covertly and overtly destroys mankind.

It gives a very little help in the beginning but that help then is used to exploit and ruin people utterly and then discard them without sorrow.

 

[bromo]

Agree with one of the best books. After reading the news and watching the televised reports it brought a lot of clarity and understanding to what I had read and seen. Sometimes I think about Manson's hearings for parole and wonder if the board becomes too young or ignorant of what actually happened, will they grant it? Surely this can never happen, can it?

 

[mrbuddwing]

I liked Ed Sanders book, "The Family"....

 

[DeeAnna]

Agree with one of the best books. After reading the news and watching the televised reports it brought a lot of clarity and understanding to what I had read and seen. Sometimes I think about Manson's hearings for parole and wonder if the board becomes too young or ignorant of what actually happened, will they grant it? Surely this can never happen, can it?

No, it won't happen. Nobody is too young to read his files at the prison.

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Come to think of it, has he actually had parole hearings? I know a few of the women did. Not sure about Manson.

 

[Smurf]

Agree with one of the best books. After reading the news and watching the televised reports it brought a lot of clarity and understanding to what I had read and seen. Sometimes I think about Manson's hearings for parole and wonder if the board becomes too young or ignorant of what actually happened, will they grant it? Surely this can never happen, can it?

No. First, the parole board in California is only an advisory board. The governor of California has the final say & as long as Charles Manson is alive, any governor knows it would be political suicide to grant parole to him. Manson will die in prison, and it's likely the other killers, Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkle & Leslie Van Houten will, too. The Los Angeles County District Attorney's office, that originally prosecuted the Manson Family remains devoted to attending every parole hearing & speaking on behalf of the families.

Also, the parole board is usually made up of former police officers & behavior specialists that have expertise in deciphering real remorse vs. manipulative behavior on the part of inmates.

As time goes by, surviving family members die, so there are a few surviving family members, like Sharon Tate's sister, Debra, that make it a mission to attend every parole hearing to insure the killers remain behind bars.

http://www.lsb3.com/2013/03/debra-tate-did-interview-recently-with.html

http://www.tatefamilylegacy.com/

https://www.facebook.com/TFLegacy

The Manson women continue to take advantage of social media & interviews hoping it will assist them in parole, but I doubt it will help. The wounds are still very raw with some surviving loved ones even 46 years later.

[video=youtube;U_hbIPJuiac]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_hbIPJuiac[/video]

 

[Type4_PTS]

From MSN:

Mass murderer Charles Manson seriously ill, moved to hospital, sources say

Mass murderer Charles Manson was taken from a Central Valley prison in California to a hospital for an undisclosed medical issue, two sources familiar with the situation said. <snip>

Full Article: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...ces-say/ar-BBxREvy?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp