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cakemaker

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Awesome installment!
Thank you face! :thumbsup:

Here's some history from the second Mission Holders Conference in Oct 1982 when Miscavige destroyed the mission network.

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lkwdblds

Crusader
Great Post - Look's like LRH got what he wanted!

"Don't burn your bridges behind you. Don't burn your bridges before they are crossed.” Old Proverbs

“And, whatever you do, don’t burn your bridges while you’re on them.” Face’s Corollary

As I have written about before on ESMB, I have a true “Friend for Life” of over 20 years that is a gifted, way out there, “New Age” Psychotherapist. My friend is one of the most well read persons—if not the most well read—I have ever known. He was educated at top tier schools and has had a remarkable career with many wonderful outcomes with his clients, is revered in our community and is internationally “known” in his profession. My friend’s practice is very successful with a “wait list” and he stopped processing insurance 15 years ago. Outside of my Primary Care Doc and Neurosurgeon there is no one else that has contributed more to the miracle of my recovery to date from the Hemorrhagic Lesion that took out part of my right anterior temporal lobe a little over 5 years ago.

Over the last few years we have had some wonderfully helpful discussions about Scn, El Ron and my SO days. He has “checked out” ESMB and has read much of what I have posted here and sees ESMB, and especially all Y’all, as being an important element in the marked improvement of my memory and ability to read and write over the last 15 months or so. I’m still very, very slow and my short-term memory and a significant amount of my long term memory for Math and symbolic notation reasoning are permanently shot, but, I’m in better “shape” now than any of my Docs thought possible, given the severity of my brain damage. I am still “awakening” into the world of Left Brain Dominance and, believe me, it’s “more better than half bad”!

Thirty five years or so ago—when my friend was doing his Post Doc Research on schizophrenics (a fascinating project and story)—he bought a copy of DMSMH, read it, saw it for what it was i.e. poorly written, unfounded, rehashed, plagiaristic “pop” psychology from the ‘50’s, sprinkled with some “real” stuff that he already knew and threw it away when he was finished.

Fast forward to 6 months ago—35 years, two cities, three residences and 4 office locations later. Around 11:30 PM on a Sunday evening my friend’s phone rings and he answers it. Yep, you got it! On the other end of the line was, as he described it, “an adolescent, breathlessly giddy sycophant wanting to know about ‘wins’ and ‘gains’ I had from reading ‘Book One’.” My friend informed her that he was a Psychotherapist, had thrown the book away 35 years ago and didn’t appreciate being called at 11:30 PM on a Sunday night. He was about to ask, “how in the hell did you get my unlisted private number,” when the young woman hung up.

His take on all this? That there was a clear undercurrent of fear in the caller’s voice and that, “these people are desperate.”


Shooting Stars, Part Eleven

Kristallnacht; Shooting The Stars
(conclusion)

“Burning Bridges”

By late ’80 early ‘81 I knew that I would not be serving out my billion year contract and would eventually have to walk away from the SO. All the hope that I had that the SO would “evolve” and “settle down” had evaporated from being around El Ron during a chunk of the ‘70’s and suffocated by the tightening noose of CMO control of all things SO and Scn. When Bill Franks was made ED Int I saw it as the last chance to avert impending disaster and I was not the only person with that opinion. I knew from chats and conversations with Mission Holder folks that the “natives were restless”.

One Mission Holder I knew—an original BC student—had already embarked on a project to acquire every El Ron reel to reel tape possible from Pubs DK and other sources, and copies of every issue of every book, PAB, Bulletin, etc possible and then go “dark”. This person was convinced that the “materials” would one day be altered and that El Ron was in the process of “disconnecting” from “real” Scn and Scns, that a “showdown” was coming and that it was time to “walk away” and my friend advised me to keep my head down because things were fixing to get real nasty for anyone that actually knew El Ron, was an “Old Timer”, was an actual Scn and cared about Scn’s “Big Picture” and long term future.

In another chat, with an original CL VIII that was quietly “slipping away”, I was told that, as far as they were concerned, El Ron had F’d the “Bridge” up with the KNOTS Era and that it was very doubtful to that there were any upper “OT Sections”, and that El Ron’s best days were behind Hisself. Other chats with other folks, inside and outside the SO, and my own observations and experiences confirmed for me that, most likely, Bill Franks was gonna wind up getting creamed. The CMO was gonna be “It” and that’s how El Ron wanted it. When the CMO took out the GO I knew, then and there, it was all over but the crying— not that I thought the GO were a bunch of Saints but at least the GO were, to me, a counterbalance to the CMO and were somewhat Scns. On the other hand, the CMO were an “entity” if you will, conjured from El Ron’s greatest fears and avarices and, for the most part, had not a clue what Scn was about, just who and what Scns were and were, functionally, juvenile delinquent gangsters.

As I have written earlier in this series, the “Old Guard” was being done away with and the folks that the “New Guard” was being comprised of were not trained, experienced, nor were they the same “quality” of humanity as the “Old Guard”. As I have said, beginning in early ’76, I saw a small, steady stream of the folks go “over the rainbow” that would wind up being “It” by '80. Having interacted with and known many of them—such as the Miscavige’s, Starkey, Reynolds, Broeker, etc, etc—I was unnerved and disturbed by where I saw things heading. I knew Vicki Azneran and when she showed up as an Int Honcho it further confirmed my worst fears; Senior Management of Scn was no longer in the hands of “real” Scns. Knowing El Ron, the “New Guard”, the “Old Guard” and the Mission Holder’s as I did it was obvious that a “Civil War” was coming and El Ron and Hisself’s “New Guard” was gonna “Win” and the opportunity for a better future for Scn and Scns would forever be lost.

We are all so fortunate that the details of the Scn Kristallnacht are readily available on the Net. A wealth of good, solid and truthful “Insider” information from all 6 “Camps” comprises the foundation “Tiles” to the “Mosaic” all of Us here are adding to. I say “all 6 Camps” as at that time Institutionalized Scn was functionally a “5 legged stool"; Field Public, Missions, Orgs, GO, SO. By the time of the Kristallnacht, the 6th Camp, the CMO, had become a group separate and apart from the SO and all others, controlled the conduit to “Source” and, thereby, held “Dominion” over all of Us. The Children of the Corn (COC) were now the “seat” that sat upon the legs of the stool and I knew, by far, they were the least qualified or fit for leadership and command. I knew what was most likely about to be unleashed on my fellow Scns. I had not the "voice" to warn Y'all...and that weighs on my heart to this day.

As the events of the first two Flag Mission Holder’s Conferences unfolded I kept my mouth shut and head down as I also knew that—as long as the CMO had ANY authority whatsoever—disaster loomed at any given moment. Although I had once been in the highest echelons of International “Management” and been a trusted member of the “Inner Circle” I was, at this time, on the “front lines” in the Service Org arena and—as long as I continued to bring in the “gelt”—was relatively “safe” if I stayed “real small” in my foxhole. There was nothing that I could do in anyway to contribute to or help bring about a good outcome. The 5 Camps had no clue what they were dealing with. I knew these COC and what was being unleashed on my fellow Scns. The COC cared not about “upstats”, “integrity” or “justness”…what they cared about was whether or not you were instantly complied with no matter what inane, idiotic or insane orders they were shouting at you, and whether or not you groveled appropriately before them. When Bill Franks was ousted and Kerry Gleason installed as ED Int my hopes and dreams for Scn were over…I knew then that El Ron and Hisself’s COC were gonna wind up Shooting the Stars.

The COC were now the Gate Keepers to the Gate of Greed and El Ron handed them the keys to the Padlock of Fear on Gate of Greed...Hate.

In a week or so,

Shooting Stars, Part Twelve

“Kristallnacht; The Real ‘Wall Of Fire’”


Peace.

Face:)

Outstanding Post! It answers questions in an area which was still fuzzy with me. The area I'm talking about is what LRH intended for C of S once he was physically gone. I had visualized three possible scenarios as follows:

#1 - LRH wanted Scientology to expand and spread throughout the world as much as possible. In this scenario, LRH should have written up his various Hats and picked the most able people to step in and fill his shoes as per his Power Change Formula. It appeared that he started to do this with his selection of David Mayo to be the top technical person in Scn, with instructions to Mayo to incorporate himself as a separate entity apart from the orgs. Also, there was LRH's appointment of Bill Franks which tended towards Option #1. That option quickly came to a grinding halt, Mayo and Franks were both kicked out and declared SP's, so what happened?

#2 - In option #2, LRH became ill, had heart attacks and strokes causing brain damage. DM got control of LRH's comm lines and DM just decided that he was going to take over and he was able to keep LRH, who no longer was functioning anywhere near full capacity, behind the scenes while DM wrested control of C of S away from any rivals, using viscious and unscrupulous tactics.

#3 - Someone suggested a 3rd option to me and that was that LRH DID NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE WAS GONE. HE HAD NO INTEREST IN BETTERING CONDITIONS ON THE PLANET AND HE DECIDED TO JUST WALK AWAY AND LET WHO WAS LEFT BEHIND BATTLE FOR CONTROL. THE MOST RUTHLESS PERSON WOULD WIN OUT AND LRH WAS OKAY WITH THAT.

Now Face presents a 4th option. If I understand Face correctly, I get that LRH DID CARE strongly what happened after he left and that he knowingly put CMO into power as the senior management body while he destroyed the Mission Holders, using CMO, under his direction and then willingly allowed CMO to kick out all the loyal old timers and run things using viscious young punks who knew nothing of Scientology or its past and just knew that they took their orders unwaveringly from DM.

This gives we who are interested in figuring all this out a lot of food for thought.
Lakey
 

afaceinthecrowd

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Face ,you provide so many pieces to the puzzle that was remaining jumbled.

You are doing me so much good. Little things I never had any clue " how come " you have put in the information to lets God knows how many other little pieces slide into place.

Thank you so much !

You are so welcome, Toad.:yes:

An thank you, too for your "stuff"...you are one mentally mentally ambidextrous amphibian.:coolwink:

Face:)
 

afaceinthecrowd

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Thanks, Face! Another excellent post. :clap:

This one in particular really should be put out there where those still enamored of the myth of LRH and the white-washed version of Co$ history can see it. Like '63, the early '80s were a major turning point for the Co$.

Seeing as it seems doubtful that Rathbun would allow such comments on his board, how about posting a copy to the Scientology Forum (i.e. the board founded by Geir Isene, and presently managed by Fluffy)? There your comments will be more likely to be seen by those as yet unwilling to venture into esmb territory.

http://scnforum.org/

Scnforum allows for anonymous posting although it doesn't allow for subsequent editing. A simple cut & paste of what you have already written should work.


Mark A. Baker


Thank you, Mark...much appreciated.:yes: As I'm kinda a Cyber numbnuts maybe someone else could post it over there, if they wish.

I have not interest in nor time for reading, posting on or participating in other Boards. The one exception is that I do read Jeff Hawkins stuff but not the comments. Everything I've got to say is gonna go up on ESMB.

Face:)
 

afaceinthecrowd

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Face, loving those posts!

Here are some of your recent press clippings..


"Brilliant, insightful reading, stylistically delivered. A virtual hidden surveillance documentary on the true history of the real Scientology." - Mr. E. Sandwich, Entertainment Critic; Hoaxster Tribune -


"Hater!" - Indie Times Magazine -


"Nothing more than the dramatizing manifesto of an implanted NatterPunk!" - Marty Rathbun, Senior Critic Critic; MartyBridge Times -


"The only good thing about those posts is that I can absolutely guarantee you that not one single person is reading that cocksucker!" COB, Freedom Magazine -


"Oh shitttt!" - L. Ron Hubbard, quote courtesy of Rons Journal 11; full text at: http://www.Target2Blog.com


:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

Damn, I luvs ya, HH.:thumbsup::yes:

Face:)
 

afaceinthecrowd

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Awesome installment!
Thank you face! :thumbsup:

Here's some history from the second Mission Holders Conference in Oct 1982 when Miscavige destroyed the mission network.

29dz7s5.jpg


More at http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EOGTRVN2

WOW!:omg:

Thanks Cakemaker.:thumbsup:

I used to were one of those uniforms...sheesh.:melodramatic: Technically, DM is wearing the lanyard on the wrong shoulder..."Right Arm" was for Ships Officers, "Left Arm" is for Admin Officers. Also, if I recall correctly, a braided lanyard for Admin Officers meant that you had done stuff like the FEBC and DSEC which DM hadn't done. But Da Monster was cut from the same cloth as El Ron...all con, bluff, bluster and pretend.

Face:)
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
Thank you, Mark...much appreciated.:yes: As I'm kinda a Cyber numbnuts maybe someone else could post it over there, if they wish.

I have not interest in nor time for reading, posting on or participating in other Boards. The one exception is that I do read Jeff Hawkins stuff but not the comments. Everything I've got to say is gonna go up on ESMB.
Face:)


That makes ESMB extremely fortunate !
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Outstanding Post! It answers questions in an area which was still fuzzy with me. The area I'm talking about is what LRH intended for C of S once he was physically gone. I had visualized three possible scenarios as follows:

#1 - LRH wanted Scientology to expand and spread throughout the world as much as possible. In this scenario, LRH should have written up his various Hats and picked the most able people to step in and fill his shoes as per his Power Change Formula. It appeared that he started to do this with his selection of David Mayo to be the top technical person in Scn, with instructions to Mayo to incorporate himself as a separate entity apart from the orgs. Also, there was LRH's appointment of Bill Franks which tended towards Option #1. That option quickly came to a grinding halt, Mayo and Franks were both kicked out and declared SP's, so what happened?

#2 - In option #2, LRH became ill, had heart attacks and strokes causing brain damage. DM got control of LRH's comm lines and DM just decided that he was going to take over and he was able to keep LRH, who no longer was functioning anywhere near full capacity, behind the scenes while DM wrested control of C of S away from any rivals, using viscious and unscrupulous tactics.

#3 - Someone suggested a 3rd option to me and that was that LRH DID NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE WAS GONE. HE HAD NO INTEREST IN BETTERING CONDITIONS ON THE PLANET AND HE DECIDED TO JUST WALK AWAY AND LET WHO WAS LEFT BEHIND BATTLE FOR CONTROL. THE MOST RUTHLESS PERSON WOULD WIN OUT AND LRH WAS OKAY WITH THAT.

Now Face presents a 4th option. If I understand Face correctly, I get that LRH DID CARE strongly what happened after he left and that he knowingly put CMO into power as the senior management body while he destroyed the Mission Holders, using CMO, under his direction and then willingly allowed CMO to kick out all the loyal old timers and run things using viscious young punks who knew nothing of Scientology or its past and just knew that they took their orders unwaveringly from DM.

This gives we who are interested in figuring all this out a lot of food for thought.
Lakey

Thank you, Lakey.:)

No, you've misunderstood me. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. As I have written numerous times on ESMB, and re-stated specifically in "Shooting Stars", Part Nine, "My premise is all that "edifice"—the Orgs’ Missions, Red “Tech”, Green “Tech”, etc—is the artifact construct of El Ron’s desperate solutions to a horrid continuing PTP; “How do I continue to keep extorting all the money and admiration I want for something I stole, plagiarized, made up and pretend to have discovered all by myself and continue to steal, lie about, plagiarize, make up and pretend to discover all by myself—and can't actually personally do—without being found out and "ruined" or going to jail?”

As I've written on ESMB before, and in "Shooting Stars" and the Links provided to other posts I have made in the past; my "take" is that El Ron wanted to "Possess" all of Us, Control Everything, Raid the Cash Box at Will and not get found out or caught.

I'm glad you brought this up as somewhere in my last few installments of "Shooting Stars" I was already planning to discuss all this in context of the Kristallnacht. I will endeavour to be as concise and clear as possible.:yes:

Face:)
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
Thank you, Lakey.:)

No, you've misunderstood me. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. As I have written numerous times on ESMB, and re-stated specifically in "Shooting Stars", Part Nine, "My premise is all that "edifice"—the Orgs’ Missions, Red “Tech”, Green “Tech”, etc—is the artifact construct of El Ron’s desperate solutions to a horrid continuing PTP; “How do I continue to keep extorting all the money and admiration I want for something I stole, plagiarized, made up and pretend to have discovered all by myself and continue to steal, lie about, plagiarize, make up and pretend to discover all by myself—and can't actually personally do—without being found out and "ruined" or going to jail?”

As I've written on ESMB before, and in "Shooting Stars" and the Links provided to other posts I have made in the past; my "take" is that El Ron wanted to "Possess" all of Us, Control Everything, Raid the Cash Box at Will and not get found out or caught.

I'm glad you brought this up as somewhere in my last few installments of "Shooting Stars" I was already planning to discuss all this in context of the Kristallnacht. I will endeavour to be as concise and clear as possible.:yes:

Face:)

You have been extremely clear - and consise.


And, this is a world class summation :

El Ron’s desperate solutions to a horrid continuing PTP “How do I continue to keep extorting all the money and admiration I want for something I stole, plagiarized, made up and pretend to have discovered all by myself and continue to steal, lie about, plagiarize, make up and pretend to discover all by myself—and can't actually personally do—without being found out and "ruined" or going to jail?”

In fact that would make a super fine siggy !

Hmmm, dare I ask ....
 

me myself & i

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afaceinthecrowd...Shooting Stars...PART 11 said:
"Don't burn your bridges behind you. Don't burn your bridges before they are crossed.” Old Proverbs

“And, whatever you do, don’t burn your bridges while you’re on them.” Face’s Corollary

Nice. Touche' mi amigo.

...The COC were now the Gate Keepers to the Gate of Greed and El Ron handed them the keys to the Padlock of Fear on the Gate of Greed...Hate.

Perhaps if I were a bigger man (in Spirit) I would not find myself choking back hidden-tears as I read the words you have written.

Indeed the word 'Kristallnacht' alone is sufficient to cause deep-seated, invisible, but ever so-real, compound fractures of this aging old heart (called love) of mine.


In the end I can only hope and trust, the demands of Spiritual Wisdom include, an unvarnished personal first-hand experience of human greed and hate, for a season. In order to Understand, forever.

coming...“Kristallnacht; The Real ‘Wall Of Fire", Part Twelve

Peace.

Face:)

And Peace to You Face.
mm&I

ps. If Shooting Stars 'Part One' was Dawn, 'Part Twelve' may well be High-Noon. (so to speak, me thinks :)).
 
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lkwdblds

Crusader
Thank you, Lakey.:)

No, you've misunderstood me. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. As I have written numerous times on ESMB, and re-stated specifically in "Shooting Stars", Part Nine, "My premise is all that "edifice"—the Orgs’ Missions, Red “Tech”, Green “Tech”, etc—is the artifact construct of El Ron’s desperate solutions to a horrid continuing PTP; “How do I continue to keep extorting all the money and admiration I want for something I stole, plagiarized, made up and pretend to have discovered all by myself and continue to steal, lie about, plagiarize, make up and pretend to discover all by myself—and can't actually personally do—without being found out and "ruined" or going to jail?”

As I've written on ESMB before, and in "Shooting Stars" and the Links provided to other posts I have made in the past; my "take" is that El Ron wanted to "Possess" all of Us, Control Everything, Raid the Cash Box at Will and not get found out or caught.




I'm glad you brought this up as somewhere in my last few installments of "Shooting Stars" I was already planning to discuss all this in context of the Kristallnacht. I will endeavour to be as concise and clear as possible.:yes:

Face:)

Thanks for you reply Face. I think your clarity of writing is more than adequate. The problem is probably with me. Your installments are spaced apart and when I read one, I don't reread the entire series but only the last one. Reading so many posts on ESMB and replying to them, I don't really have a total grasp of of the earlier chapters in the series at any given time.

That being said, I understand what you are saying in your reply post to me.

However, I am addressing a SPECIFIC issue and that issue concerns solely what LRH's goals were when he realized that his body death was imminent and he was soon to die.

DID LRH CHANGE HIS MODUS OPERANDI AFTER HE REALIZED THAT HE WOULD SOON BE GONE FROM THE SCENE OR DID HE KEEP UP HIS CONTROL OVER PEOPLE AND HIS POWER AND MONEY GRAB TENDENCIES RIGHT UP THE VERY LAST DAY OF HIS LIFE?

Over on the Apollo thread, the erudite LRH historian and critic, Veda, agreed with my analysis.

Above, you summarize what you feel LRH always had in mind throughout his career and I reprint this directly below in blue:

As I've written on ESMB before, and in "Shooting Stars" and the Links provided to other posts I have made in the past; my "take" is that El Ron wanted to "Possess" all of Us, Control Everything, Raid the Cash Box at Will and not get found out or caught

My question concerns Hubbard's exit strategy only, after he knew that he would soon be gone. I do not believe that you addressed that in any way in your fine installment #11, nor in your reply to my post.

I would really like to hear what you have to say about that. I gave my opinioins about that in my last post. Prior to your installment #11, I had 3 alternatives that I could conceive of and your post enabled me to envision a 4th possibility. It would be nice to hear about your opinion on this specific topic, either in a direct reply or in your next installment. Either of those would be fine. Thank you for your kind consideration.
Lakey
 

Veda

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-snip-

Over on the Apollo thread, the erudite LRH historian and critic, Veda, agreed with my analysis.

-snip-

Huh?

Face is correct.

What I don't, personally, see as correct in Lakey's statment is the, "LRH DID CARE strongly what happened after he left...". I did not think that my words implied that.

Face:)

Yep. There's always a drawback to agreeing with some one's paraphrasing of an other's statement, but I figured that lkwdblds was in the ball park, so I gave the thumbs up.

-snip-

How in the world did that become, "Agree with your analysis"?

Oh never mind.:duh:
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thanks for you reply Face. I think your clarity of writing is more than adequate. The problem is probably with me. Your installments are spaced apart and when I read one, I don't reread the entire series but only the last one. Reading so many posts on ESMB and replying to them, I don't really have a total grasp of of the earlier chapters in the series at any given time.

That being said, I understand what you are saying in your reply post to me.

However, I am addressing a SPECIFIC issue and that issue concerns solely what LRH's goals were when he realized that his body death was imminent and he was soon to die.

DID LRH CHANGE HIS MODUS OPERANDI AFTER HE REALIZED THAT HE WOULD SOON BE GONE FROM THE SCENE OR DID HE KEEP UP HIS CONTROL OVER PEOPLE AND HIS POWER AND MONEY GRAB TENDENCIES RIGHT UP THE VERY LAST DAY OF HIS LIFE?

Over on the Apollo thread, the erudite LRH historian and critic, Veda, agreed with my analysis.

Above, you summarize what you feel LRH always had in mind throughout his career and I reprint this directly below in blue:

As I've written on ESMB before, and in "Shooting Stars" and the Links provided to other posts I have made in the past; my "take" is that El Ron wanted to "Possess" all of Us, Control Everything, Raid the Cash Box at Will and not get found out or caught

My question concerns Hubbard's exit strategy only, after he knew that he would soon be gone. I do not believe that you addressed that in any way in your fine installment #11, nor in your reply to my post.

I would really like to hear what you have to say about that. I gave my opinioins about that in my last post. Prior to your installment #11, I had 3 alternatives that I could conceive of and your post enabled me to envision a 4th possibility. It would be nice to hear about your opinion on this specific topic, either in a direct reply or in your next installment. Either of those would be fine. Thank you for your kind consideration.
Lakey

Lakey,

You did not ask a specific question or raise a specific issue until now so I did not address something I had not been asked or any specific issue that had not been raised and I asked to reply to.

As far as "Exit Strategy" goes...El Ron had no Exit Strategy as far as I’m concerned. An exit strategy for a business or organization is about how you are going to hand over the business successfully and remuneratively and leave.

El Ron intended to control and direct the show until he croaked threrefor, perforce, Hisself had no Exit Strategy.

Face:)
 
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