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Petey C

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Wow, an amaaazing set of posts! It took me all day but I'm up to date and hanging out for the next instalment.

Face, I'm intrigued by your take on Diana and the other Hubbard children. I worked with her a bit over the years and also took over from her in 1981. I remember when she made that record of swirly piano music. (It made it to no. 40 on the Kansas City top 40 that year, woo hoo!) She always struck me as deeply unhappy and lonely.

More, please, more!
 

LongTimeGone

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Thank you so much for this Face; great stuff.

I would say it gives us all the background information but the last time I said that I got kicked out of Flag. :happydance:

LTG
 

HelluvaHoax!

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I see that is true in all aspects of living. :yes:

There is an innate tendency in the course of living a life as an identified being to 'go into agreement with' all manner of things as being 'true', when in fact they are not 'true' but merely accepted conventions. This is effectively a form of 'implanting', and thus living is itself a process of 'implanting'. To the degree one spots this and can acknowledge to himself what is occurring he remains 'at cause'. Those most badly affected are those who don't recognize what is occurring and their own role in acceptance of such 'truth'.


I have been trying a new "tech" that totally handles all this-lifetime & wholetrack implants. It blows them all!

They have one process called education and another one called maturing.
 
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I have been trying a new "tech" that totally handles all this-lifetime & wholetrack implants. It blows them all!

They have one process called education and another one called maturing.

It would be really great if they have a positive effect on you. Something to which to look forward. :thumbsup:


Mark A. Baker
 

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that leaves me out


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That's the part of the course that I am bogged on myself. I was kinda hoping we could twin.

That way, when either one of us decides to blow course and surf, ride motorcycles or party, the other one doesn't rat him out.
 
ahhh...the good old days...

Thank you, Commander...glad to have you along on this little sashay through the “good” old days. :yes:

Face:)

...the bad old days.

but there was then a fresh untamed spirit to the endeavour. the true spirit of it is from us. the tyrranny and the koolaid of it has pushed many perhaps most of the true hearts from it.

hey, elron, was a ballsy freewheelin' son of a bitch. i dislike the worst of his writings with a black passion but i don't condemn the bastard
 

Jachs

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Its Monday

Here you go, Jachss.

There's also another post that I didn't Link to here as I am escerpting it as part of the next installment, which I'll post sometime Monday.

Face:)

Its Monday...:hattip: :read: :waiting:

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Lurker5

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Toady

In this long journey I call my life if I have only been able to learn one thing that would be to speak for myself and not even try to represent it as something that another would feel might anything to do with them.

That said....I have some things to say.

One of the things I have said to those nearest and dearest to me with whom I know I can trust showing my most precious of thoughts is this :

" I have never felt more right than I did as a scientologist " and now to come to the realization that I was never more wrong than as I was as a scientologist.

Hey, now, it wasn't that I didn't go down that path of my own free will and all that. I did all that to me. I get to look me in the eye and say I may have needed that lesson but, jeez, wasn't those years of arrested development ( AD ) a rather steep price to pay ?

Yeah, it was, But it makes no sense to me to waste another moment now on what I've already wasted so many years and so very much of my life.
I can do that.

But, ye Gods, the people I led down that path with me. The people I talked into their " next level " and all those PCs I got un-Red tagged that I knew damned well would not get the program I wrote to fix 'em but just got stuck back on post.

I can't count those numbers of the people I was the " Judas Goat " for.
Life Repair, Dianetics, Ned, Clear, OT level after OT level, course after course after course. All that.

How many times did I sit down and talk to somebody who was really to leave after some injustice and with more than one foot out the door got them to keep on going anyway? Too many.

Yes, I "helped" people get " up the bridge ". Does not matter what others did or did not do, I have to look at what I did.

When it became obvious to me I was doing the wrong thing for me, my family, my loved ones ? I left. I didn't go quietly. Both staff and public that I knew were aware I left. Some disconnected. Some disconnected with tears in their eyes, but disconnected.

To my way of thinking, I did things I now wish I hadn't, like KRs ( getting off other peoples withholds still sickens me ) and disconnecting ( major admission of ones personal weakness or getting told I had a dog in a fight when i just didn't ) ... anyway.

It comes down to moving on, behaving better, supporting those I love, being a friend to friends.

And, under "helping" I keep hoping one day I can do a little something that is just a small part of the monumental scale Face has been able to do for so many of us : put facts on the line that lets us all know the truth and be able to move on.

Well, you are doing quite well,yourself, Toady.

As for me, a different time and place, and I could be anyone of you. I just happened to luck out, that day, and saw things I probably wasn't supposed to see - and it made me run . . . My backgournd had already introduced me to - Evil - before co$ - so it wasn't hard for me to pick up on something very off - about it. So I ran. But I have never gotten fully away. We are never shed of our responsibility - to others. It - what I saw and experienced that day, has haunted me, for decades. Having looked into the abyss, it looked into me. And it never leaves you - what you know - once you know - it never leaves you.

So - this is WHY.

Keep speaking out and telling the truth, Face, Taody, everyone. Keep speaking out. You all are more worthy of the Humanitarian Award than TC.
 

Lurker5

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Hello !

If it may be of help to you Face, may we remind you of an ancient (timeless) secret, having to do with all of the spiritual hoopla, of being human, (and visa versa). Which timeless secret may be rendered in this way:

#1. In order to Spiritually 'understand' anything, one must come to experience being One with 'that thing' (for Spiritual understanding grows from the inside out, and not the other way around). Think evil (for the moment).

#2. In order to become One, with anything One isn't, it is necessary to lose sight of what One is (temporarily). Spiritual amnesia as an act of intelligence experienced as wisdom when it's done, it is called.

#3. In space & form & time.

Hopefully that is enough, for now, to help you regain your Loving memory, of Being the One that you are, Face.

And until you do, we will do it, for you.

Hello apocalyptic :wave: And welcome :welcome2: Good post :thumbsup: I hope to read more. :yes:
 

afaceinthecrowd

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Shooting Stars, Part Fourteen (cont)

"When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." Abraham Lincoln

Part Fourteen has really gotten away from me in the sense that I keep trying to condense and be more concise in my narrative but am compelled—at the risk of redundancy—to tell every last morsel of my “Take” on the Scn Kristallnacht. So, this is the second installment of what looks like at least 3 that will be needed for the completion of Part Fourteen.

I never expected the response and interest that here has been to this Thread. What I am truly grateful for above all is that Y’all’s interest in and encouragement for what I have to say has spurred me on to do a more thorough job of this, and that is doing me a world of good and, more importantly, helping others with pieces that they need to fit some of their pieces in place.

Thank you, one and all.:yes:


Shooting Stars, Part Fourteen (cont)

“Kristallnacht: The Year of the Jackals”


“Never permit your affinity to be alloyed.” L. Ron Hubbard, "The Code of Honor".

“Unless, of course, you’re ‘Source’.” Face’s Fourth Caveat.

El Ron and Mary Sue wrote the “Marriage Hats” and other guides to instruct the supplicants and the World in how to have an “OT” marriage and relationship. If El Ron had only heeded but a few of these words and the ideas they expressed in them there might not have been a Kristallnacht and the COC Jackal Pack would have been reigned in.

El Ron, with Mary Sue’s help, had cultivated an image of a Philosopher/King and his Queen who were ostensibly one of “Us”; that they were one of “Us” but Hisself had “ascended” from the rough and tumble common soil by leave of Hisself’s daring relentless search for, and eventually discovery of, the “Majick” Boot’s in the Sky—and Mary Sue had walked and stood by his side. The “patina” of this Iconography was that El Ron, at heart, was a spiritually advanced good ole boy and Mary Sue was an Uber Mrs. Cleaver. Part of the “Positioning” was that the Children were the “Golden Fruit” of King and Queen, with the two recently post teenaged children—“Princess” Diana and “Lord” Quentin”—already having “earned” the Flag Senior Officer Ranks of Lt. Commander and Lieutenant and having “achieved” the positions of CS-6 and Class XII respectively.

The OG and MH’s, to an individually greater or lesser degree, knew that this façade was bogus but went along with “Shore Story” as it was part of the “Myth” that fueled the growth of Scn—it was also very dangerous indeed to harbor, let alone speak, “unkind thoughts” about the King or the Queen.
The following is an excerpt of a post I made last June on the Apollo Thread. The “Hospital” I refer to was Federal Prison.

Begin quote:

“Oh, and now that I think about this some more, Mary Sue wasn’t thrown under the bus, either. She jumped under the bus for El Ron and after she got out of the "hospital" the CMO cut her tongue out, gouged her eyes and cut her limbs off. Then, when El Ron El Rey checks out, that same bus, driven by Hisself’s spawn, runs over a defenseless and shattered Mary Sue. If you or I had been fortunate enough to have a Mary Sue at our side we woulda “brought her home from the hospital” and cared for her, watched out for her, loved her. We woulda never let anything or anyone ever touch her again…”

End quote.

Now, I certainly don’t see Mary Sue as some sort of benevolent Angel or benign Empress, but she was a far better administrator than El Ron. I could also make the case that Mary Sue and the OG, on their own and left alone, woule have never stood for the folly of wasting top talent in an open display avarice that would scare the pants off the Fields Scientologists (FS’s). And, that’s what happened, IMO, the Jackal Pack scared the beegeessuss out of the FS’s and nearly every one, to a greater to lesser, feared for their “Bridge” and their “eternity” and that’s how they wanted it—that’s how El Ron wanted it. The Kristallacht was all about fear as the heat and pressure to alloying and recasting Affinities.

For many of the OG, during The Year of the Jackals it was obvious that El Ron’s COC Spawn were now the “apple of Hisself’s eye”. It also was apparent to many of them that any lack of “Affinity”, in the eyes of the COC, for the Jackal Pack was dealt not only severely with, but also in ways that were in violation and counter to the Red and Green Scriptures. There was not one of the new, hidden and secret posts at Int or in the Marionette Structure of what was left of the “Senior SO Management” structure for any OG to seek redress or recourse. In fact, seeking to be dealt with “Per Policy” in the face of a Jackal Pack Attack soon became a suicidal act. Up Until The Year of the Jackals, El Ron had reserved for Hisself the ultimate sole right to flout the Scriptures without consequence. For the Kristallnacht El Ron, in effect, granted that “Privilege” to the COC. It was at that moment that Institutionalized Scientology irretrievably went down the rabbit hole that El Ron had been Shepherding it—with reckless abandon—since the Unleashing of the "Power of Source".

For any of Y’all that weren’t around during YTJ, the chaos was staggering. The Jackal Pack outfitted themselves with ostentatious (and off Flag Order Policy) custom uniforms with accompanying Senor Officer Ranks that had, until then, been scarce and hard to come by. Most SO and virtually all Staff and Public Scns had never heard of these folks before. There was a very small smattering of OG’s amongst them and around them but, for the most part, these “Senior Officers” had not the slightest clue who or what the OG, MH’s and FAL’s had done for, with, or what they meant to IS—nor did they care.

I personally think that during YTJ most of the FS’s just hoped it would all be over soon so that they could continue on their Bridge in peace and quiet. For many, the public hanging of Mayo was a welcomed new “item” or “why” as to their not having had the “wins” and “gains” they were promised by Scn, or felt should be there by El Ron’s “hidden standard” producing promo and Scriptures. Mayo had, according to the COC, betrayed El Ron’s trust as had, yet again according to the COC, many of the OG, MH’s and some FAL’s. The Affinity the FS’s “misplaced” with those 3 groups could now be focused where it “properly” belonged—El Ron and his brilliant young “On-Source” Loyal Officers. El Ron all along had wanted you to have “pure” Scientology, but, all these “Evil Doers” had denied Pure “IT” to you so that you would not get “It”.

In YTJ, whatever Affinity El Ron ever had for Mary Sue, the Old Guard, the Mission Holders, the Field Auditors & Luminaries was alloyed not by the Children of the Corn but by Hisself’s unquenchable thirst and greed for the one thing and the one entity El Ron had more Affinity for than anything or anyone else—Money and Hisself’s Ego. The importance of maintaining and corralling the “Flock” of FS’s was tantamount as that was where the money and wherewithal was to come from to construct Hisself’s Pyramids to house and preserve the Body of Hisself’s Egoic Remains—the Wall of Words. However, El Ron’s Mausoleums don’t tower into the desert sky—they are hidden deep beneath its' sands.

In a couple of days,

Shooting Stars, Part Fourteen (cont)

“Kristallnacht: The Year of the Jackals”

Peace.

Face:)
 
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afaceinthecrowd

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Face,
What you are saying truly comes from the heart. As a staff member from the period of 72 to 83 this has really cleared a lot of questions I had during those times. As our org was more on the outer fringe area (las vegas) we didn’t have that much exposure to the upper/inner SO groups. (Except for the time Quentin was found unconscious and later died in Las Vegas) We were always puzzled about the changes that kept coming from upper management, especially during the 80’s.

Thank you for sharing your insights.

Thank you, BAYCB.:yes:

During that Era even most of the SO Crew were puzzled...every week there was a new WTF? Unless you had some "Context" it just didn't make "sense".:melodramatic:

I'm glad that my pieces are helping you fir your pieces together. A decade on Staff at any Service Org would leave a fella with a lot of pieces.:coolwink:

Face:)
 

afaceinthecrowd

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I see that is true in all aspects of living. :yes:

There is an innate tendency in the course of living a life as an identified being to 'go into agreement with' all manner of things as being 'true', when in fact they are not 'true' but merely accepted conventions. This is effectively a form of 'implanting', and thus living is itself a process of 'implanting'. To the degree one spots this and can acknowledge to himself what is occurring he remains 'at cause'. Those most badly affected are those who don't recognize what is occurring and their own role in acceptance of such 'truth'.

Auditing as mental/spiritual processing facilitates the reduction of 'implanting', but as a factor in and process of life there is also a degree of 'implanting' involved.

It centers around to what degree has the individual accepted as 'true' the 'reality' of another. Accepting another's 'reality' as 'true' is the essential core of an implant. Communication requires some measure of understanding of another's 'reality'. To some degree there is a 'risk' of sharing that 'reality' as true for one's self. To the extent that occurs then to that degree there has been an implant.

Since the process of auditing requires two way communication there is ample opportunity for just such 'agreements as to truth' to form. With high level auditing there is a high degree of ARCU, which itself suggests a greater degree of shared reality, and one which is not recognized as potentially problematic precisely due to the high levels of 'affinity' as well as the other components of ARC. This can be rather like a really fundamental service facsimile, where a person resists giving it up as it is 'clearly & logically immensely pro-survival'. Just so with the 'shared reality' resulting from high ARCU. :)

Ultimately it works like filling up a bucket with a valve on it. The valve represents the potential for auditing, when 'open' then auditing is occurring, when 'shut' then no auditing is occurring.

That auditing is 'positive' wherein the water flow through the valve 'out' is of greater quantity than the amount of water simultaneously being 'poured in'. The water level in the bucket will drop. That auditing is 'negative' wherein the amount of water entering vastly exceeds the amount of flow through the valve e.g. the valve is only partially open, thus the auditing is ineffective. Water level in the bucket rises. Even when the valve is open so far all the water pouring in will eventually run out, as the water level continues to drop yet the bucket remains wet due to influx & passage of water through the bucket. The bucket never complete dries, not until all sources of in flow are stopped, and all the water flows out of the bucket. With good auditing though, you can definitely lighten the bucket load. :)


Mark A. Baker

Thanks Mark. I'm gonna get back to you in a day or two on this one.:yes:
 

afaceinthecrowd

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Wow, an amaaazing set of posts! It took me all day but I'm up to date and hanging out for the next instalment.

Face, I'm intrigued by your take on Diana and the other Hubbard children. I worked with her a bit over the years and also took over from her in 1981. I remember when she made that record of swirly piano music. (It made it to no. 40 on the Kansas City top 40 that year, woo hoo!) She always struck me as deeply unhappy and lonely.

More, please, more!

Thank you, Petey C…much appreciated.:yes:

Personally, I liked all the Children, even though Diana tried to knife me a couple of times…I felt sorry for them. All of them were intelligent and talented. So, so sad the lot they drew in Life.:bigcry:

I think your description of Diana is best 4 word summation that could be made of her—deeply unhappy and lonely.:thumbsup:

Face:)
 
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