Sticking up for friends

[Voltaire's Child]

And, no, I'm not putting this up in the Free Zone section. Though that would be rather amusing.

Just to set the record straight. I do not have "Freezone things" and am not "going through" anything. I stick up for any friends. I do think sometimes some people are too rough on some Free Zoners. And the comments made while they're doing that seems to be pretty generalized and unfair, at times. But I can also say that I have noticed that there are non CofS Scn'ists here who don't really get much flak or anything. So maybe personalities, cyber cliques and so on enter the picture. If so, that's human nature.

I have stuck up for FZ and Indie friends and I'm not ashamed of doing so. I've only done it when there were a lot of ad homs. Terril's suspension? To me, it's a normal admin action and people wanting to comment on it is entirely natural.

I have stuck up for critics on other fora. As you may recall, I posted a series of posts on two different occasions on the FZ yahoo group list about Emma being targetted by that fruitbat. I stuck up for her because I felt she'd been wronged. Still do. I was and remain appalled by some of the responses.

If I were to see a forum regular who had zero connection to the FZ or Indie scene garner a series of attacking posts that went on a long time and were from quite a few people, I'd do the same thing for them.

I view it all the same.

If I've made any mistake, it's sticking up for friends too much. But as a Free Zone thing? No. Not even close. That's simply not the case.

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Although I agree in sticking up for a friend there are times I feel one of my friends is wrong I think it is being a real friend to tell them so. ( And I am not always right as my dear friends tell me I'm not ).

On the topic at hand, I do not have much patience with those peddling scn be that of the full or half assed variety. To me, a scn'gist is a scn'gist is a scn'gist just like a pedophile is a pedophile even in suit.

There are a couple people that I respected for years while they were in ( as was I ) and when I got out and they got out the elected to continue auditing in the field.

I do not say anything about that person but that person does not get on chatboards being a blow hard and trying to drum up some biz.

I don't know maybe they can't rustle up any biz on their own and have to come here and shake the bushes for a little drip and drab.

Should I be rolling out the red carpet for those of that ilk ?

( I don't start threads about how bad they are......or trying to defend 'em either).

 

[RogerB]

Wot Terril suspended? . . . I miss all the fun!

But then it was about time. The man has too often gone way too far out of line and beyond good graces and good sense.

But as to the general theme of VC's post . . . one should stick up for the truth of what good people do and intend.

It really doesn't matter to me whether they are Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist or anything else, including a FreeZoner or "Indie."

It's what they do and intend that matters. Good people intend good things and do good things. We all act based on the data and belief systems we have: and this point ought be appreciated and related to with charm, courtesy and good graces.

I don't agree all of the beliefs or tech some very good folks who also are fine friends of mine hold dear . . . but that does not, and nor should it, undermine and negate our friendship; nor their worth.

It's the idiot class who offensively and abusively pursue their beliefs and jihads in a manner destructive to others that are to be condemned: not the truly good at heart who deliver on that goodness even though their beliefs are different to ours.

Such good at heart are to be honored and protected.

RogerB

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Wot Terril suspended? . . . I miss all the fun!
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RogerB

I was willing to sell him a Get Out of Jail Free card, but, he did not respond to my rather fair offer.

Next time I offer to sell somebody one of my super duper Get Out of Jail Free cards they damn well better pay up pronto. It is not everyday that I am in the mood to sell one, and, I might start me a sliding price increase on the order of 7 1/2 % in even months and 7 3/4 % in even months ( or days... I forget which ).

By now some may be wondering the price of this Magic Card available only from me.
Being perfectly honest and true ( look, damnit, it is written so it has to be true!) the price needs to remain confidential. There is a valid reason for that. Some of you I'd damn near give the card for free and others would find that it is really pricey even by scn standards ( which are not standard ).
Hey, that is the way I am. I'm biased. A whole lot biased.

Oh, thin skinned people need not apply to me for this card as, for one, they don't need it really, and, mainly, I don't want to set 'em off by turning them down.

So, some of you may apply the next time I say I have one for sale.

It would be a mistake to hold ones breathe over this......and a bigger mistake to believe any of the BS in the post. I don't.

I might delete this whole thing except for this one line. Might not, too.

 

[Smilla]

There were a number of people who took LSD and jumped out of windows thinking that they could fly.

Sometimes "whats true for you" just isn't true enough.

 

[La La Lou Lou]

I personally look forward to Terril's return. OK he still believes in fairy stories, we all did once.

By the way, has anyone ever actually met anyone that jumped out of a window on LSD?

 

[Mark A. Baker]

I personally look forward to Terril's return. OK he still believes in fairy stories, we all did once.

By the way, has anyone ever actually met anyone that jumped out of a window on LSD?

No, but one nasty little episode from the cold war ....


Mark A. Baker

 

[La La Lou Lou]

Mark, very interesting link, I guess staying in a hotel room with a CIA agent is enough to get someone to walk out of windows. Especially someone who was having doubts about working with pharmaceutical warfare.

 

[La La Lou Lou]

Fluffy one, just to move this thread back on track, I think it's fair to support friends. I think if they are behaving badly a PM to remind them that though you love them dearly you think they're behaving like a prat is fine too. It doesn't need to be public. Sometimes an unemotional sane pointing out that someone just said something stupid is needed and desirable. I have no idea what young pink hatted Terril has been up to, and I don't care. He'll be back soon enough. I will never agree on all his ideas, so what? Call me theety weety and reasonable, but I feel that people can have ideas different to mine and still be allowed to exist.

 

[Auditor's Toad]

I personally look forward to Terril's return. OK he still believes in fairy stories, we all did once.
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The difficulty some have is not in another believing in fairy stories it is when they run around all the time trying to sell the damn fairy stories to others.
Some see that as a shitty thing to be doing.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I personally look forward to Terril's return. OK he still believes in fairy stories, we all did once.

By the way, has anyone ever actually met anyone that jumped out of a window on LSD?

I used to have a friend who did that. He never walked again. My friend said he often had severe flashbacks and it was during one of those episodes that he jumped.

My husband, though, says this is extremely rare.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

The difficulty some have is not in another believing in fairy stories it is when they run around all the time trying to sell the damn fairy stories to others.
Some see that as a shitty thing to be doing.

Terril has told me that he is interested in making sure that those who want to do Scn outside of CofS know that there are avenues. He feels that this is why some people refrain from leaving the cult. I do know that this used to be one of my concerns when I was a churchie. For this reason, I do not think he's being shitty or anything like that.

 

[Emma]

Terril has told me that he is interested in making sure that those who want to do Scn outside of CofS know that there are avenues. He feels that this is why some people refrain from leaving the cult. I do know that this used to be one of my concerns when I was a churchie. For this reason, I do not think he's being shitty or anything like that.

Yes but there are appropriate places for it. ESMB is probably not one of them.

When I first got on to the net in 2001 and left Scientology, I knew almost immediately that there were FZ options and I didn't have to go to an ex Scientologist's site to find out. FZers have just as much freedom to use the internet and create their own spaces as everyone else.

I wouldn't expect to find shilling for Smirnoff on a "recovering alcoholics" message board. Would you?

 

[La La Lou Lou]

Auditor's toad, perhaps some see it as a shitty thing to do. I just think it's perhaps annoying and just yawn most of the time. Live and let live. He's different from me, so what?

I don't care if someone dares argue, gives us something to do, a challenge. God if everyone on this planet was like me I'd shoot myself, that would really be frightening. Terril is hardly pushing standard scientology, I do not see eye to eye on everything, I probably would argue with him if I met him, but I defend his right to speak his mind.

Fluff, sorry to hear about your LSD sky walking mate. I think it is rare, I certainly never met any myself. Though I did see a cat who had been fed Acid, and it had mood swings that needed to be seen to be believed.

 

[Smilla]

Fluffy one, just to move this thread back on track, I think it's fair to support friends. I think if they are behaving badly a PM to remind them that though you love them dearly you think they're behaving like a prat is fine too. It doesn't need to be public. Sometimes an unemotional sane pointing out that someone just said something stupid is needed and desirable. I have no idea what young pink hatted Terril has been up to, and I don't care. He'll be back soon enough. I will never agree on all his ideas, so what? Call me theety weety and reasonable, but I feel that people can have ideas different to mine and still be allowed to exist.

I feel the same - there are some people here who I often disagree with, but like a lot.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

... I wouldn't expect to find shilling for Smirnoff on a "recovering alcoholics" message board. Would you?

I wouldn't quite characterize esmb as some sort of recovery space for addicts, although for some it may serve something of the same purpose.

It is enough that you have laid down appropriate rules of conduct on the board and that TP has routinely sought to violate those rules.

I think that VC has pointed out well enough that there is a difference between "standing up for one's friends" and "seeking to justify the improper conduct of one's friends". It is one thing when someone is hammered because his views aren't popular, and a completely different matter when he deliberately flaunts board rules for purposes of pushing an agenda, as has happened in this and other instances both by TP as well as others.


Mark A. Baker

 

[La La Lou Lou]

Mark, well put, as you said...

''It is enough that you have laid down appropriate rules of conduct on the board and that TP has routinely sought to violate those rules.

I think that VC has pointed out well enough that there is a difference between "standing up for one's friends" and "seeking to justify the improper conduct of one's friends". It is one thing when someone is hammered because his views aren't popular, and a completely different matter when he deliberately flaunts board rules for purposes of pushing an agenda, as has happened in this and other instances both by TP as well as others.


Mark A. Baker''

 

[degraded being]

Terril has told me that he is interested in making sure that those who want to do Scn outside of CofS know that there are avenues. He feels that this is why some people refrain from leaving the cult. I do know that this used to be one of my concerns when I was a churchie. For this reason, I do not think he's being shitty or anything like that.

Shitty is as shitty does. Why don't you let him stand on his own two feet? Is he incapable? Does he only have the intelligence of a 5 year old? Does friendship mean you are going to follow him around cleaning up after him?

 

[Winston Smith]

Yes but there are appropriate places for it. ESMB is probably not one of them.

When I first got on to the net in 2001 and left Scientology, I knew almost immediately that there were FZ options and I didn't have to go to an ex Scientologist's site to find out. FZers have just as much freedom to use the internet and create their own spaces as everyone else.

I wouldn't expect to find shilling for Smirnoff on a "recovering alcoholics" message board. Would you?

Emma you have that right! Sometimes I gag on this site with scientologese, scienoweenie meanderings into the meaning of a floating [STRIKE]turd[/STRIKE], I mean needle, and stuff like that.

 

[Emma]

I wouldn't quite characterize esmb as some sort of recovery space for addicts, although for some it may serve something of the same purpose.

I wasn't characterizing ESMB as a recovery space for addicts although I can see how one might read that into it. I was simply trying to point out the inappropriateness of shilling a product in a place where people who have been harmed by that same product are seeking to recover from the effects of it.