The Genetic Entity

[Tanstaafl]

Fact or fiction?

I'm interested in people's takes on this.

FWIW I believe there is such a thing. Humans are mainly animals with an added spiritual being. The goals of the spiritual being and the GE may be totally opposed or in total harmony, or anywhere between. Where they are in opposition there's going to be trouble.

GE's have been overwhelmed and their purposes subverted by spiritual beings for a long time. I believe there may often be a great deal of resentment from them.

I know of no direct GE-related address to case since pre-natals were run in 1950-style Book One. The GE can pack one hell of a punch. It is very foolish to underestimate it. And yet, I have never heard of this being a PTP for anyone in CoS.

Hubbard did not know what the GE truly is or where it came from. In HoM, IIRC, he mentions that GE's have been implanted. In 1956 (Responsibility and The State of OT) he states that GE's are insane and "demand sacrifices". Little else is discussed or dealt with regarding the GE.

This may be a very significant omission in case handling.

Any thoughts?

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Fact or fiction?

I'm interested in people's takes on this.

....

Any thoughts?

Nothing solid. One strictly hypothetical idea is that what is termed the "genetic entity" is simply the "mental apparatus" of a body's neurological network. Such things show elementary characteristics similar to "mind".

That is the basis for the materialist empiricist view of mind as WHOLLY arising from physical processes and hence the dream of "artificial intelligence". Problem with that view is that the mechanics of network apparatus, although useful for circuit automation and highly adaptable, does not support the wealth of mental phenomena common to sentient beings.

Does a great job on autonomous bodily responses and "animal instincts" however.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Tanstaafl]

Thanks for that, Mark.

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Guinea pig - me?

Fact or fiction?

I'm interested in people's takes on this.

FWIW I believe there is such a thing. Humans are mainly animals with an added spiritual being. The goals of the spiritual being and the GE may be totally opposed or in total harmony, or anywhere between. Where they are in opposition there's going to be trouble.

GE's have been overwhelmed and their purposes subverted by spiritual beings for a long time. I believe there may often be a great deal of resentment from them.

I know of no direct GE-related address to case since pre-natals were run in 1950-style Book One. The GE can pack one hell of a punch. It is very foolish to underestimate it. And yet, I have never heard of this being a PTP for anyone in CoS.

Hubbard did not know what the GE truly is or where it came from. In HoM, IIRC, he mentions that GE's have been implanted. In 1956 (Responsibility and The State of OT) he states that GE's are insane and "demand sacrifices". Little else is discussed or dealt with regarding the GE.

This may be a very significant omission in case handling.

Any thoughts?

Tans,

I have a couple of things to say about this from recent, actual, personal experience...imagine that!

Last wednesday I had an (I am told, mostly) automobile accident and woke up in an ambulance on the way to the Emergency Room. This has given me some interesting insight/data (whatever!) as regards the relationship between "me" and the "GE" body. I seem to be doing all OK and was sent home the same evening - but it has been and continues to be, a sorta curious process.

Right now, "we" seem to agree that the 1st priority is to access damage and repair things we can repair while watching for new developments that may or may not occur per advice and anecdotal evidence. The "two" of us are definitely in agreement and working together a lot more harmoniously than is usual. I'm not kiddding here, either - though it would be easy and natural to do so by way of avoiding actually looking. If you take my meaning here.

Would you guys like me to comment on this continuing evolution, as it goes along, seeing as how a lot of us have similar training, viewpoints and experiences? :confused2: Maybe some interesting things will turn up - maybe not.

Tune in guys and gals - I'll keep the 2-way tu receiver/transmitter on for those interested.

Your help is acceptable to me; and my help is yours.

Now, do not go feelin' sorry fer ol Roy; cause he and the C/S have already picked up brand new wheels!

Roy/EP

 

[Good twin]

For goodness sake EP. So sorry to hear about your recent misstep. Thank goodness the C/S is there to make sure you don't do further harm to yourself. Please do let us know what you learn from this experience. I would be most interested.
GT

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

No biggie for the C/S...

For goodness sake EP. So sorry to hear about your recent misstep. Thank goodness the C/S is there to make sure you don't do further harm to yourself. Please do let us know what you learn from this experience. I would be most interested.
GT

This is a piece o' cake for the C/S, GT - you should only know the shit she's pulled me through from time to time in the last 38 years or so!

What I kinda hate is that there is not much chance I will ever get my "exchange" up to where it oughta be with her!

I'll write up a bit on this tonight or tomorrow. Strangely enough, "we" (and I mean most of us on this forum) are connected in ways that are not necessarily apparent to us when going about our normal daily affairs.

Well, maybe I oughta make myself a tinfoil hat before goin' down this road much further.

Love,

Roy/EP

 

[Good twin]

hmmmmmmmmm

I'm all ears Roy.

 

[programmer_guy]

I don't believe in the existence of the GE as described in SCN literature. I do believe that the more primitive areas of the brain operate largely outside our daily consciousness.

If there is a GE I'd like to read some scientifically related peer review on this as generated outside of SCN.

 

[Tanstaafl]

Roy - I'd like to hear more.

PG - thanks. How would one go about "proving" the existence of a spiritual entity? It seems to me one could do no more than put a case for it.

 

[programmer_guy]

How would one go about "proving" the existence of a spiritual entity?

IMO, I don't think that anyone can do that at this point in time (re: scientific research). Maybe in 100 years from now there may be some answers to that question. Until that time, scientific research has been providing answers based on physical evidence that points to physical answers... always physical answers.

For example:
A person is recently acting strange... not thinking normally. They are more than distressed and confused. They are taken to a hospital. Their blood is tested as having abnormally high levels of calcium which causes the symptoms. The blood calcium levels are found to be attributed to multiple myeloma (a particular type of blood cancer).

Question:
Is there a physical cause or a spiritual cause for this? (Ha. Should a "touch assist" be called for? What treatment would you prescribe?)
I suggest that further scientific inquiry, in the years to come, will prove a physical cause.

What do you think?

 

[Tanstaafl]

IMO, I don't think that anyone can do that at this point in time (re: scientific research). Maybe in 100 years from now there may be some answers to that question. Until that time, scientific research has been providing answers based on physical evidence that points to physical answers... always physical answers.

For example:
A person is recently acting strange... not thinking normally. They are more than distressed and confused. They are taken to a hospital. Their blood is tested as having abnormally high levels of calcium which causes the symptoms. The blood calcium levels are found to be attributed to multiple myeloma (a particular type of blood cancer).

Question:
Is there a physical cause or a spiritual cause for this? (Ha. Should a "touch assist" be called for?)
I suggest that further scientific inquiry, in the years to come, will prove a physical cause.

What do you think?

Er, I think I might be out of my depth!

I will say that Hubbard relegated the brain to an insignificance - an egregious error on his part. I've had relatives who have had strokes and dementia - try processing your way out of that!

I know that my blood sugar affects my mood and energy levels significantly. But Hubbard degraded the idea of taking care of the body. I bet he took better care of his cars and bikes.

 

[Carmel]

Fact or fiction?

Fact - IMO!

Aren't talking from an academic or intellectual perspective like you boys are, but from my humble experience. No doubt that the GE exists - with its very own complexities, power and aberation.

It always annoyed me that Hubbard said so much about the GE, but then talked about physical illness or aberation, being solely to do with the thetan.

Per my reckoning the GE clearly exists and has at times power and influence on us, that we have NO control over. By the same token, I think we can certainly swamp it with our own power and influence (whether being aware of it or not). And for the record, I'm not saying there's no solution or possible resolve here.

IMO, if one's GE's independant existence and influence is denied.....then ya opening the door to trouble.

 

[nexus100]

My guess:

Possibly a mirror of ourselves that we put in place to help communicate with the body, a kind of factotum. We grant it beingness but it has no separate existence outside that body. Our relationship is similar to with a pet.
If not communicated with, like a pet, it can get grouchy. In other words if one ignores or mistreats one's body it can demand attention unpleasantly.

 

[Zinjifar]

Or, possibly Ron's basic premise(s) are hokum.

Zinj

 

[Div6]

The resolution of the "problem" of the GE was not necessary to achieve theta clearing. Or so the story went.

Most all of the "entity" case impinges on the reptile brain, or other lower aspects of the nervous system. The GE can be audited. It can even (like other entity control centers) leave. The body seems to do fine without one.

Possibly all racial memories and "family karma" transmit via the GE mechanisms.

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

But which are "his" and which not?

Or, possibly Ron's basic premise(s) are hokum.

Zinj

to you great provider of avatar most awesome!

What are Ron's basic premise(s) :confused2: and how can they be judged "hokum" since they virtually all appear elsewhere in fiction, fantasy, literature, fable and have been told and retold through the ages by bullshit artists of every stripe and hue?

Ron was a helluva charismatic, conniving, acquisitive, vain, profane, ruthless and convincin dude wasn't he? So F'n what? He's dead and F'n GONE! I am FINE to let the old fuck GO!

However, I, for one, see little wrong with taking a good look to see whether or if, the so called "alignments of data" and "selections of importances" are of any utility and help in the affairs of living.

Please let this be a sort of "disclaimer" if I sometimes seem to give more credit to his stuff now and again than you think it warrants. Being basically lazy, I just do not want to "reinvent the wheel" if I don't hafta.

Roy & EP

 

[nexus100]

deleted-moved to What if thread

 

[Chipallina]

isn't the GE mest but a thetans GE a list of the bodies that you have picked up here?

 

[gomorrhan]

I don't accept the existence of GE, or of Thetan. To me, this is entirely theoretical. The real "GE" is your genetic code. The real "Thetan" is that which senses being you. I have no reason to believe it's spiritual.

 

[Zinjifar]

I'd say the GE is a kludge to bridge the chasm between the solipsist 'it's all illusion' Thetan and the 'Get the Goods!' Scientology Spirituality.

After all, if it's all mock up; who needs Ron (or Scientology)

Zinj