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The Keith Henson Trial

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
I read the entire transcripts from the Keith Henson trial today.

Astounding.

I do not agree that it was a travesty of justice, nor do I think that the judge was paid off, as so many critics like to charge.

Keith Henson involved himself in a idiotic/quixotic quest to deprogram the Gold Base Scientologists through picket signs. And the more it didn't work, the more desperate and over the top he got. Until finally, it became easy to charge him and convict him of the charge he was eventually convicted on - interfering with a religion.

He gave the Church reason to do whatever they could to get rid of him. Sure they play-acted their way into convincing the jury that they were terrified of him, and they presented all the manufactured evidence they could to mug their parts to the jury.

Keith is guilty of interfering with a religion, as the statute is written.

To attempt to have, as their only defense, Fair Game policies, without regard to the specific charges against him, was the stupidest defense conceivable. And then to present NO DEFENSE when the judge disallowed a religion's beliefs to be tried....well it defies reason.

And then, to FLEE TO CANADA from a misdemeanor conviction added more stupidity on top of colossal idiocy.

The transcripts show all critics on the Internet what tactics the Church will employ to dispose of their enemies quietly and without sorrow, if you are stupid or quixotic enough to let them.

Keith's mistakes should be our lessons.

Read up.
 

alex

Gold Meritorious Patron
I read the entire transcripts from the Keith Henson trial today.

Astounding.

I do not agree that it was a travesty of justice, nor do I think that the judge was paid off, as so many critics like to charge.

Keith Henson involved himself in a idiotic/quixotic quest to deprogram the Gold Base Scientologists through picket signs. And the more it didn't work, the more desperate and over the top he got. Until finally, it became easy to charge him and convict him of the charge he was eventually convicted on - interfering with a religion.

He gave the Church reason to do whatever they could to get rid of him. Sure they play-acted their way into convincing the jury that they were terrified of him, and they presented all the manufactured evidence they could to mug their parts to the jury.

Keith is guilty of interfering with a religion, as the statute is written.

To attempt to have, as their only defense, Fair Game policies, without regard to the specific charges against him, was the stupidest defense conceivable. And then to present NO DEFENSE when the judge disallowed a religion's beliefs to be tried....well it defies reason.

And then, to FLEE TO CANADA from a misdemeanor conviction added more stupidity on top of colossal idiocy.

The transcripts show all critics on the Internet what tactics the Church will employ to dispose of their enemies quietly and without sorrow, if you are stupid or quixotic enough to let them.

Keith's mistakes should be our lessons.

Read up.


Fucking A!

Finally someone agrees with me on this!

I even told keith the same thing. Bad plan of action. But he got what he wanted, noticed.

Zinj is going to be pissed at you.
:)

alex (hurray for literate people)
 

shader

Patron with Honors
Alanzo, I agree with you.

I read the transcripts after I saw someone on ARS aguing that Keith was not unfairly convicted. "What?" I thought. "Everyone knows Keith was unfairly convicted by a biased legal system in a travesty of justice just 'cos he quoted a post about a Tom Cruise missile!".

The transcripts tell a different story.

Keith stated (according to police testimony) that he was hoping to scare the scientologists (the "paranoid" and "psychological warfare" statements). He clearly targeted them because they were scientologists.

Scientologists claimed they were scared. This may be exaggerated, but is not unreasonable to believe considering what they are told about SPs. They couldn't go about their usual business for fear of being exposed to high-level materials (which they believed would be very bad for them).

That was pretty much the essence of the case for me. I can understand where he was coming from, I think his ultimate intentions were "good", but his actions violate the law as I understand it from what I read. I'm not sure I agree with the law, but that is a separate issue.

I'd like one of Keith's supporters to come in to this thread and explain where I am wrong. I'm willing to be proved wrong, I just don't see it from the info available to me.

EDIT: just reviewing the transcripts i see the upper-level materials aspect was avoided, but testimony was given that Keith was aware of the fact the scientologists couldn't go about their business when he was there ("cockroaches when the light is turned on" etc)
 
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programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
You could also ask Arnie about this.
He said that he visited Keith in Riverside not too long ago (just before he got out of jail).
 
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TheSneakster

Guest
not important
 
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programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
Was Arnie Lerma present at the trial?

P.G., if he was not, then he has nothing to say that is not trumped by the trial transcripts.

Michael "The Sneakster" Hobson
I am *not* anonymous.

Maybe you misunderstood me OR I was too brief.
I was simply directing to another opinion.
I don't know Keith.
But I hope that he, and his family, are doing okay now.
Maybe this whole thing is a lesson to be learned.
 

Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
At least some of the transcripts are available at this site:
http://www.holysmoke.org/kh/kh.htm

You've got to scroll down ALOT until you get to the correct files. Here are some of the links:

http://www.holysmoke.org/kh/trialday1.htm

http://www.holysmoke.org/kh/trialday2.htm

http://www.holysmoke.org/kh/trialday3.htm

http://www.xs4all.nl/~oracle/suemeagain/trialday4.html

http://www.holysmoke.org/kh/trialday5.htm

Other related documents are also there on the original page:
http://www.holysmoke.org/kh/kh.htm
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
At least some of the transcripts are available at this site:
http://www.holysmoke.org/kh/kh.htm

You've got to scroll down ALOT until you get to the correct files. Here are some of the links:

http://www.holysmoke.org/kh/trialday1.htm

http://www.holysmoke.org/kh/trialday2.htm

http://www.holysmoke.org/kh/trialday3.htm

http://www.xs4all.nl/~oracle/suemeagain/trialday4.html

http://www.holysmoke.org/kh/trialday5.htm

Other related documents are also there on the original page:
http://www.holysmoke.org/kh/kh.htm

Well done, Dog Who Bites Spraying Water!
 

Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
Well done, Dog Who Bites Spraying Water!

Thank-You. This Fair-Gaming of anonSparrow is pissing me off. Totally has my Type 4 PTS'ness in full restim. :yes:
I guess that is the reason for attempted biting of spraying water. :coolwink:
 

thetanic

Gold Meritorious Patron
I do not agree that it was a travesty of justice, nor do I think that the judge was paid off, as so many critics like to charge.

Keith Henson involved himself in a idiotic/quixotic quest to deprogram the Gold Base Scientologists through picket signs. And the more it didn't work, the more desperate and over the top he got. Until finally, it became easy to charge him and convict him of the charge he was eventually convicted on - interfering with a religion.

[...]

And then, to FLEE TO CANADA from a misdemeanor conviction added more stupidity on top of colossal idiocy.

The transcripts show all critics on the Internet what tactics the Church will employ to dispose of their enemies quietly and without sorrow, if you are stupid or quixotic enough to let them.

Keith's mistakes should be our lessons.

Read up.

I agree that there's a lot of colossal idiocy in Keith's actions, not the least of which was not knowing when to shut up and hire his own lawyer. If I recall correctly, Canada denied him asylum.

That said, the ball game is different now than it was then; CofS has far fewer resources at its disposal, but it still has loads of cash. Apparently.
 

The Great Zorg

Gold Meritorious Patron
Hmmmm

Keith apparently displayed protest signs regarding clam world's 'upper levels'; no wonder the scilons were so intent on smashing Keith: they were no doubt terrified to read those signs. If I had been there and it was 35 years ago I would have been just as terrified. However, had I read those signs back then if I had been there, as usual nothing would have happened to me. I would not have died or come down with killer pneumonia or whatever fear module hubbard stitched into his programming. Maybe that would have been the seed planted to start the process of leaving the cult? :confused2:

With that in mind, is it proper even today to display 'upper level' garbage? Are we doing the right thing when doing so for an 'end's justifying the means'? I cannot solve this one - it is complicated. :confused2:
 

Veda

Sponsor
-snip-

Keith is guilty of interfering with a religion, as the statute is written.

-snip-

He may have been found guilty - in corrupt Riverside county - but he was not guilty.

He was set up.

I've had experience with the crowd at "Golden Era" and I know first hand that lying to the police is standard procedure for them. It's disgusting.

Henson protested peacefully with a picket sign outside a barbed wire fence in the desert: http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/henson1.html

That resulted in his being Fair Gamed.
 

thetanic

Gold Meritorious Patron
He may have been found guilty - in corrupt Riverside county - but he was not guilty.

He was set up.

I've had experience with the crowd at "Golden Era" and I know first hand that lying to the police is standard procedure for them. It's disgusting.

He was set up, but he didn't act wisely in his own defense.
 

Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
Keith apparently displayed protest signs regarding clam world's 'upper levels'; no wonder the scilons were so intent on smashing Keith: they were no doubt terrified to read those signs. If I had been there and it was 35 years ago I would have been just as terrified. However, had I read those signs back then if I had been there, as usual nothing would have happened to me. I would not have died or come down with killer pneumonia or whatever fear module hubbard stitched into his programming. Maybe that would have been the seed planted to start the process of leaving the cult? :confused2:

It may very well be that some people have had adverse effects from being exposed to this material. Some (including myself) believe that there is something called the Nocebo Effect. Kind of the opposite of the Placebo Effect. If you read some OT Level material before you are "ready" for it and you have a very strong belief that this could harm you, then it CAN harm you. Belief is very powerful.
http://harvardmagazine.com/2005/05/the-nocebo-effect.html
 

ULRC/S

Patron with Honors
I firmly believe in NOT showing upper levels material around. 1/ it adds no value to anyone and 2/ it CAN have an adverse affect of some people. Because it's not them that gets restimulated, it's one or more of their "hangers on", and when "they" get restimulated, all hell can break loose, and it seems completely illogical tothe sufferer.

How do I know? I've had to fix up some lower level people who went internet searching when these materials first became available, and it's not an easy job. And no fun for them or the repairer.

Regards, Allen
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
I firmly believe in NOT showing upper levels material around. 1/ it adds no value to anyone and 2/ it CAN have an adverse affect of some people. Because it's not them that gets restimulated, it's one or more of their "hangers on", and when "they" get restimulated, all hell can break loose, and it seems completely illogical tothe sufferer.

How do I know? I've had to fix up some lower level people who went internet searching when these materials first became available, and it's not an easy job. And no fun for them or the repairer.

Regards, Allen

IF this phenomenon actually exists (and I have severe doubts that it does, and am almost certain it does not exist in the way Hubbard described it) then how could you possibly believe that keeping it a secret is any way to handle it at all?
 

Veda

Sponsor
I firmly believe in NOT showing upper levels material around. 1/ it adds no value to anyone and 2/ it CAN have an adverse affect of some people. Because it's not them that gets restimulated, it's one or more of their "hangers on", and when "they" get restimulated, all hell can break loose, and it seems completely illogical tothe sufferer.

How do I know? I've had to fix up some lower level people who went internet searching when these materials first became available, and it's not an easy job. And no fun for them or the repairer.

Regards, Allen

Talk about double mind f__k: First, put the manipulative (hypnotic/suggestive) fear in the person that something is dangerous (deadly!), then the person, while wandering about the (evil SP and Markabian-infested) Internet happens to come across some of this FORBIDDEN and SECRET and DANGEROUS (even DEADLY) material :ohmy:, material that is also VITAL TO HIS SURVIVAL, without which he will be sucked into the dwindling spiral for an eternity of agony in Hubbardian hell: "Some religions talk about hell. It's understatement of what really happens." (RJ30); then, once the person is upset and freaked out, having accidentally read a little bit of the content of the dreaded Implant, discovered by L. Ron Hubbard at 4 in the morning after popping pills and consuming a bottle of Gin, the person is given a session in search of FNs and VGIs, and in the hope that the person has not permanently blocked his path to Total Freedom :yes: Finally, the session comes to a happy conclusion, the person is salvageable, and may continue on the closely taped path. :happydance:

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