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Maria Cuervo

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Oh good thing I put in the hydrogen peroxide drops in my ears yesterday as I was telling Cat's...because right now it is raining cats and dogs and I am NOT dizzy! YAY.

:dance2:

Not even when dancing.
 

Gizmo

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Now Look @ whut dat 440 / 432 discussion done done !

by Mr. Nobody.....
I've already brought the Saz into the mix, which, additional to the internationally accepted tones and half-tones, also contains a few 1/3 tones.

What else do you want?

I must congratulate our Leader & the Honorable Mr Nobody for introducing the 440 / 432 hoax plus the real thing into the conversation !

It seems to have brought some serious & most useful information on tuning by real professional musicians !

This has become very interesting as it gets into the subtle nuances of making an instrument perform correctly.

Hopefully soon a whole different range of instruments will be brought into the mix & an online band - if not orchestra - will be formed ( fixed? ) right here on the Apollo Thread !

Isn't that exciting ?

Love & Blessing to all ! ( in or out of whatever the "correct" key might be)

OK, OK, I'x a tryin to pluz ezzerabuddy - did it gits nearer ?
 
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MrNobody

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Only if you teach me to run Rhythm changes like a real jazzbo.:coolwink:

Oh, that's easy! 1st learn how to count from 1 to 4, next learn how to count from 1 to 8, and if you want to go all poly-rhytmic Latin jazz, learn to count from 1 to 6 and combine these three.
 

strativarius

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Ah Ha Great minds think alike. I bought a used Fender Squire Bullet from Guitar Center for $50, put some Canadian Rylander Vintage Sound pickups in for $90 and the thing became my garage beater. When I get frustrated on some project I come in and play the blues for a few minutes to bring my blood pressure down then I'm good for another hour or so. :hysterical:

Now I wish I had waited to buy some Fender Texas Special pull outs for cheap. Lotta young thrashers are opting upgrade from Specials to Seymour Duncans. Its creeping elegance.

But your right, CNC has made precision in guitars plentiful. Its the metal parts tuners and bridges that are slop. The Chinese seem to go beyond tool wear out just to get quantities out the door. Tolerances suffer like mad.

The best locking tuners I have seen are the PRS lockers. They have a thumb screw that tightens down on the string so it cant slip.

I've had two Squier Strats, the one with the dodgy neck and genuine Fender parts I've been talking about, and one with a lovely neck (crucial of course) and poorer quality fittings. Talking about locking the strings, the one with a bad neck would never go out of tune no matter how badly you abused the whammy-bar (playing the intro to 'Sorrow' for example), the other one goes out of tune if you merely look at the tremolo bar.

I took the pickups off of the first Strat and replaced them with EMG's. Big mistake as it's a massive pain in the ass having to loosen the strings and unscrew the scratch plate just to replace the f'ing battery. So now I've got a couple hundred quids worth of pickups lying in a drawer collecting dust. Perhaps I'll restart my old eBay account. :)
 

SPsince83

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Oh, that's easy! 1st learn how to count from 1 to 4, next learn how to count from 1 to 8, and if you want to go all poly-rhytmic Latin jazz, learn to count from 1 to 6 and combine these three.

Butbutbut what about MixLionian multi-pentameter?
 

strativarius

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Giz

you changed your outfit for the summer?

Summer outfits... now that reminds me. One of the few (very few) upsides of working at London Org was that being in central London, some absolutely gorgeous women would be constantly passing by the place. There was no mistaking that summer had arrived when the coats disappeared and the sexy tops were on display once more.</letch>
 

MrNobody

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I've had two Squier Strats, the one with the dodgy neck and genuine Fender parts I've been talking about, and one with a lovely neck (crucial of course) and poorer quality fittings. Talking about locking the strings, the one with a bad neck would never go out of tune no matter how badly you abused the whammy-bar (playing the intro to 'Sorrow' for example), the other one goes out of tune if you merely look at the tremolo bar.

I took the pickups off of the first Strat and replaced them with EMG's. Big mistake as it's a massive pain in the ass having to loosen the strings and unscrew the scratch plate just to replace the f'ing battery. So now I've got a couple hundred quids worth of pickups lying in a drawer collecting dust. Perhaps I'll restart my old eBay account. :)

Gheeze, what kind of wimp are you? Apart from the frets, I could completely dissect and put back together a Strat in less than 90 minutes - and yes, that includes de-soldering/rewiring/re-soldering all electrical components. :coolwink:
 

strativarius

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Gheeze, what kind of wimp are you? Apart from the frets, I could completely dissect and put back together a Strat in less than 90 minutes - and yes, that includes de-soldering/rewiring/re-soldering all electrical components. :coolwink:

:bigcry:
 

MrNobody

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Gheeze, what kind of wimp are you? Apart from the frets, I could completely dissect and put back together a Strat in less than 90 minutes - and yes, that includes de-soldering/rewiring/re-soldering all electrical components. :coolwink:

Addition:
When your guitar can't hold a tune when using the whammy, make sure all movable parts are nice and tight without too much wiggle room. Parts that do need friction, are properly de-greased and powdered. Parts that don't need friction, are greased up with peg soap or something. See here:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/hill_original_wirbelseife.htm
 

strativarius

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

EDIT:
When your guitar can't hold a tune when using the whammy, make sure all movable are nice and tight without too much wiggle room. Parts that don't need friction, are greased up with peg soap or something. See here:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/hill_original_wirbelseife.htm
I did plenty of looking for tips to deal with this problem on the 'net I can assure you, and all to no avail. It just boils down to the quality of the parts themselves. With Strat #1 I used to be amazed at how much abuse the tremolo bar could take. The instrument stayed in tune whatever I did to it. With Strat #2, one touch and it's all over. I did everything I could to try to cure it. For a start I need to get those Fender machine heads on there.
 

MrNobody

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I did plenty of looking for tips to deal with this problem on the 'net I can assure you, and all to no avail. It just boils down to the quality of the parts themselves. With Strat #1 I used to be amazed at how much abuse the tremolo bar could take. The instrument stayed in tune whatever I did to it. With Strat #2, one touch and it's all over. I did everything I could to try to cure it. For a start I need to get those Fender machine heads on there.

There are many reasons for why a guitar can't hold a tune, and they all have to do with friction. For one guitar, all it took was: Fold a small snippet of 500 Grit sandpaper, pull it through each saddle slit in a certain angle, grease the saddle and the strings, wherever they touch the saddle, up with peg soap. Bingo, problem solved within 2 minutes and an investment of approximately 5 cents.

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I'm off :tobed: now, so seeya tomorrow. :)
 

Gizmo

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Ornette Coleman dead at 85. RIP brother.:coolwink:

Oh man. NYC & The Five Spot - such memories !

Now, one more of the Great Ones is gone.

Later found out some of my all favs ( MJQ ) also liked him back in the day.
 
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Gizmo

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There are many reasons for why a guitar can't hold a tune, and they all have to do with friction. For one guitar, all it took was: Fold a small snippet of 500 Grit sandpaper, pull it through each saddle slit in a certain angle, grease the saddle and the strings, wherever they touch the saddle, up with peg soap. Bingo, problem solved within 2 minutes and an investment of approximately 5 cents.

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I'm off :tobed: now, so seeya tomorrow. :)

I'm told the reason I can't hold a tune is I'm tone deaf.

Also told I can't dance because I have no sense of rhyme & can't keep time.

But, I'm a pretty decent fan - LOL !
 
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