The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[afaceinthecrowd]

El Ron Misses The Boat

Up to this point my “Reader’s Digest” installments were intended as a “framing” for what I wish to cover in the last few installments, beginning with this one. My framing was intended to do two things:

1. Give context as to how I “see” the Story of El Ron as Founder/CEO and Scn as an Organization up to the point of my entry into Hisself’s Demonic Cult.

2. Give context as to why I “see” the story the way I do.

Along the way I have gained much additional insight from all of you and, for this, I am grateful and thank you. I’m also having a darned good time!

I embarked on this little project due to a comment made by BlueSpirit, regarding the destruction of the Mission Holders, in response to one my posts. When Blue made that comment I was coming to the point where I was comfortable here on this Thread with Yall and I decided that I was going to tell, for the first time, what I saw, how I “saw” it and how I “see” it now.

By the happenstance and serendipitous Nature of the Universe I had very good to excellent and, in some cases, backstage seating and on stage parts for the “Boom” of the latter ‘60’s; the issuance and implementation of the "Management 'Super Tech' Series" and “Systems’ of the early-mid ‘70’s; the establishment of the FLB and expansion of the FSO; the advent of NOT’s (I think Knots is more apropos); the flowering and fruition of the CMO Demon Seed; the Demonizing of David Mayo; the neutering of the truly capable and gifted Leaders, Executives and Staff of the organizations; the wholesale wanton slaughter and looting of Scn’s “Crown”—the Franchise Network—and the brilliant “Jewels" of that Crown—the Mission Holders and Field Auditors. These events culminated in the spiritual, moral and functional “Ransacking” of the entire Field and Membership, the installment of a total “Big Brother” Management Model through out all of Scn and El Ron’s exit from Hisself’s stage.

I innocently wandered into the “Matrix” just before the “Boom” and, staggeringly snuck out just after Da Monster wrested sole control. During most of my Scn years I was Staff and most of those years were as a Sea Org Member, and all of those SO years were as Flag Crew, a Senior Exec and Int “Management”.

I’m a Buckminster Fuller fan. El Ron—I believe on the PDC—“credits” Fuller with coming up with a Geometry that helped Hisself formulate the Axioms, etc. In reading Fuller it is obvious that El Ron liberaly “borrowed” stuff from Bucky.

One of the best things Bucky ever said, IMO, was, “Don’t fight forces, use them.”

Fighting forces is exactly what El Ron did throughout the “Boom” to “ashes to ashes, dust to dust” years and was completely oblivious—along with Senior "Management"—about the three most important over-arching “Forces” re: the History of Scn and the growth through the ‘60’s and 70’s. This “disconnect” with the “Wog (real) World” is, in my mind, reflected by Hisself’s “Legacy” of the Sea Organization and the “Modern Management Tech” (MMT) of the ‘70’s. Looking at the World through the reams and reams of MMT is, in part, what rendered Senior "Management" so blind, so clumsy, so goofy and so, so clueless.

The forces that El Ron fought unawares are the same forces that have kept the cult going until now; wanted, supported and bought all Da Monsters buildings; filled the coffers of SO reserves; continue to fill Da Monsters IAS coffers; are Marty, The Liberator’s core of support; started the FZ; are represented most well here on ESMB and this Thread; will ultimately smother, torch and bleed to death institutionalized Dianetics and Scientology.

These forces are as Fractal as Fractal gets; they are unstoppable; at this point in time, they are unalterable; the dye is cast and the spell is broken; the genie is out of the bottle; no one can fix it; it’s too late; it's all over.

Numerous books have been written about these forces—they are true and the forces are real. Alan, Rog, Veda, Mystic and Lakey are part of the first force. Carmelo, Zinj, BlueSpirit and Ole Face here are part of the second force, and all of us mentioned are part of the third force.

What are these forces?

The “Lucky Few” generation, the “Baby Boomer” generation and, most importantly, a unique “composite” force out of these two forces; the Corssover Chohort Group (CCG)...the latter years of the Few's and the early years of the Boomers.

The latter years members of the “Few’s” were heavily influenced by their counter-culture sub-cohort group, the "Beatniks". The earlier years members of the “Boomer’s” were heavily influenced by their own counter-culture sub-cohort group—spawned by the “Beats’—the "Hippies".

This (CCG) is the cultural, numerical, educational, economic “pig in the python’. It is the driving wind that has filled sails and sunk ships for the last 50 years. El Ron thought that the rise of Scn in the late ‘50’s and the “Boom” years was due to his Tech and Admin brilliance, his executive acumen…it wasn’t. It was mostly due to Scn’s sails catching some of the CCG winds of change.

CCG’s constituted the Field and built the Missions and Orgs and not SO “Management”. Senior SO Int "Management" was primarily clueless yes-men, jockeying for position to curry the favor of El Ron. The most clueless, political and self centered of the bunch was Princess Di, CS-6. Of all the children, Diana was the most like her father. Having a “conversation” with Princess Di was pretty much like having one with El Ron…you were just a prop on their stage. I feel for her though…towards the end El Ron hung her out to dry, too.

By the time I arrived in “the inner circle” one thing was obvious to those that had personal interaction with El Ron…Hisself was no longer ready for Primetime. The Apollo was sort of a hermitage for El Ron where Hisself could be all of Hisself's selfs and everyone would applaud, go along with it and keep their mouths shut. In a sense, the Apollo was like a ship of Pirates, under the command of El Ron, The Swashbuckler. The Plunder was the exorbitant fees every Org paid for Flag “Management” and the Booty was money taken from Orgs by Raiding Parties (Flag Missionaire “Help” and “Assistance”). Commodore El Ron El Rey and Hisself’s Pirate Queen had the only access and keys to the Treasure Chest.

Next Up: Adios Apollo

Face

 

[lkwdblds]

Up to this point my “Reader’s Digest” installments were intended as a “framing” for what I wish to cover in the last few installments, beginning with this one. My framing was intended to do two things:

1. Give context as to how I “see” the Story of El Ron as Founder/CEO and Scn as an Organization up to the point of my entry into Hisself’s Demonic Cult.

2. Give context as to why I “see” the story the way I do.

Along the way I have gained much additional insight from all of you and, for this, I am grateful and thank you. I’m also having a darned good time!

I embarked on this little project due to a comment made by BlueSpirit, regarding the destruction of the Mission Holders, in response to one my posts. When Blue made that comment I was coming to the point where I was comfortable here on this Thread with Yall and I decided that I was going to tell, for the first time, what I saw, how I “saw” it and how I “see” it now.

By the happenstance and serendipitous Nature of the Universe I had very good to excellent and, in some cases, backstage seating for the “Boom” of the latter ‘60’s; the establishment of management “Super Tech” Series’ and “Systems’ of the early-mid ‘70’s; the establishment of the FLB and expansion of the FSO; the advent of NOT’s (I think Knots is more apropos); the flowering and fruition of the CMO Demon Seed; the Demonizing of David Mayo; the neutering of the truly capable and gifted Leaders, Executives and Staff of the organizations; and the wholesale, the wholesale wanton slaughter and looting of Scn’s “Crown”—the Franchise Network—and the brilliant “Jewels of that Crown—the Mission Holders and Field Auditors. These events culminated in the spiritual, moral and functional “Ransacking” of the entire Field and Membership, the installment of a “Big Brother” Management Model and El Ron’s exit from Hisself’s stage.

I wandered into the “Matrix” just before the “Boom” and staggered out just after Da Monster wrested sole control. During most of my Scn years I was Staff and most of those years were as a Sea Org Member, and all of those years were as Flag Crew and Int “Management”.

I’m a Buckminster Fuller fan. El Ron—I believe on the PDC—“credits” Fuller with coming up with a Geometry that helped Hisself formulate the Axioms, etc. In reading Fuller it is obvious that El Ron “borrowed” stuff from Bucky.

One of the best things Bucky ever said, IMO, was, “Don’t fight forces, use them.”

Fighting forces is exactly what El Ron did throughout the “Boom” to “ashes to ashes, dust to dust” years and was completely oblivious—along with Senior Management—about the two most important over arching “Forces” re: the History of Scn and the growth through the ‘60’s and 70’s. This “disconnect” with the “Wog (real) World” is, in my mind, reflected by Hisself’s “Legacy” of the Sea Organization and the “Modern Management Tech” (MMT) of the ‘70’s. Looking at the World through the reams and reams of MMT is, in part, what rendered Senior Management so blind, so clumsy and so, so clueless.

The forces that El Ron fought unawares are the same forces that have kept the cult going until now; wanted, supported and bought all Da Monsters buildings; filled the coffers of SO reserves; continue to fill Da Monsters IAS coffers; are Marty, The Liberator’s core of support; started the FZ; are represented most well here on ESMB and this Thread; will smother and bleed to death institutionalized Dianetics and Scientology.

These forces are as Fractal as Fractal gets; they are unstoppable; at this point in time, they are unalterable; the dye is cast and the spell is broken; the genie is out of the bottle and no one can fix it; it’s too late; it’s all over.

Numerous books have been written about these forces—they are true and the forces are real. Alan, Rog, Veda, Mystic and Lakey are part of the first force. Carmelo, Zinj, BlueSpirit and Ole Face here are part of the second force, and all of us mentioned are part of the third force.

What are these forces?

The “Lucky Few” generation, the “Baby Boomer” generation and, most importantly, a unique “composite” force out of these two forces.
The latter years members of the “Few’s” were heavily influenced by their counter-culture sub-cohort group, the Beatniks. The earlier years members of the “Boomer’s” were heavily influenced by their own counter-culture sub-cohort group—spawned by the “Beats’—the Hippies.

This crossover cohort group (CCG) is the cultural, numerical, educational, economic “pig in the python’. It is the driving wind that has filled sails and sunk ships for the last 50 years. El Ron thought that the rise of Scn in the late ‘50’s and the “Boom” years was due to his Tech and Admin brilliance, his executive acumen …it wasn’t. It was due to Scn’s sails catching some of the CCG wind.

The CCG’s created the Field and built the Missions and Orgs inspight of SO “Management”. Senior SO Int Management was primarily clueless yes-men, jockeying for position to curry the favor of El Ron. The most clueless, political and self centered of the bunch was Princess Di, CS-6. Of all the children, Diana was the most like her father. Having a “conversation” with Princess Di was pretty much like having one with El Ron…you were just a prop on their stage. I feel for her though…towards the end El Ron hung her out to dry, too.

By the time I arrived in “the inner circle” one thing was obvious to those that had personal interaction with El Ron…Hisself was no longer ready for Primetime. The Apollo was sort of a hermitage for El Ron where Hisself could be Hisselfs and everyone would applaud, go along with it and keep their mouths shut. In a sense, the Apollo was like a ship of Pirates, under the command of El Ron, The Swashbuckler. The Plunder was the exorbitant fees every Org paid for Flag “Management” and the Booty was money taken from Orgs by Raiding Parties (Flag Missionaire “Help” and “Assistance”). Commodore El Ron El Rey and Hisself’s Pirate Queen had the only access and keys to the Treasure Chest.

Next Up: Adios Apollo

Face

Wow Face, This is an incredible post, a tour de force. I wanted so badly to get the inside scoop on what Hubbard and Scientology were really all about. Reading on the Internet from Sept 2005 to February 2009, I disparaged that I would ever really have a handle on the true story.

In those 3 1/2 years of study, I picked up some truths from various stories. These included writings by Ken Urquhart, Otto Roos, Kima Douglas, Mike Goldstein, Robert Dam, Vaughan and Stacy Young, David Mayo, Pierre Ethier and Tory. What disparaged me was that I believed that only three people could ultimately answer the riddle and two of them were already dead, those two being Omar Garrison and Mary Sue Hubbard. The only other one who could fill in many of the gaps seemed to me to be Diana Hubbard but to me I did not know how much she really knew and I was sure she would never step forward and say anything.

On ESMB, pieces of the puzzle started to come to view. Veda knows an awful lot of inside information, Roger had his piece of the story to tell, Alan Walter turned out to be vital in reconstructing what happened, Dart had inside information as does Purple Haze and then Hanna Eltringham knew an awful lot. Rathbun and Rinder leaving revealed new details, Nancy Many's book, Headley's book a re read of Bent Corydon's book, etc. and the mosaic was starting to be filled in. Then came Face with his bucket of mosaic tiles and a lot of mortar and grout and whoa, the complete mosaic began to emerge. Thank you Blue Spirit for your part in getting Face to post here.

Face, I put a couple of your key areas in red print. Knots is a good name for NOTS. On your groups, "the lucky few" and the "Baby Boomers" it is so great to say that these two groups are distinct and even greater to say that they are going to combine and work together in the next phase of of the ex Scientologists game.

To be a Baby Boomer, generally you have to be born after World War II ended, the earliest birth year being 1945. I was born in December of 1939 and those 5 or 5 1/2 years make all the difference in the world. My generation is completely different from the one that started in 1945. I went to UCLA in 1959 - 60. The guys wore Ivy League shirts with button down collars, we had crew cuts or flat tops. Engineeing students wore slide rules on their belts. The girls wore dresses sometimes with petticoats and saddle shoes. There was no birth control pill yet so sex was not as readily available. The music was 50's be bop, the dancing was where you held hands and twirled the girl, such as the swing dance or Lindy Hop, the music was Elvis and Ricky Nelson, Pat Boone. Most people still practiced a religion.

Five years later, it was all different, it was more of a Woodstock atmosphere. At the time, those of us who believed that there was reincarnation thought that all the millions who died in World War II were being reborn as rebels and protesters against the status quo and the group of leaders who led us into the pain and carnage of the great depression and then WW II. Religions started to be a no no, drug usage started up along with easy sex, a louder, noisier type of music sound, no touch dancing, which was seen as liberating and allowing more expression, etc. Though we may be born only 5 years apart, sometimes less, sometimes more, those two groups were raised completely differently and in the beginning, both were suspicious of one another. It is good to believe that we will be working together.

Hubbard was nobody's fool but I agree with you that he greatly misassigned the credit for the growth of his movement in the 1960's amd 1970's. I believe that perhap's his biggest shortcoming was the way he viewed his loyal cadre of staff members. He was willing to waste people, bringing them in the front door and throwing them out the back door. To him, everyone was replacable. There was no one worth coddling or grooming for higher things. In his Organizations there was really no such thing as critical thinking, creativity, brilliance of intellect or even real competence. The only traits he looked for were an ability to duplicate his teachings and a willingness to see that they got carried out no matter what kind of obstacles were put up to stop them. These are valuable traits for a leader to have in his juniors but they are not complete end alls. The other traits I cited above, he did not want and if he encountered them the person would have to knock those out or they would quickly go out the back door. What you see in today's C of S is a direct result of those traits in Hubbard that I just mentioned.

Well, I am going to cut it off here. I can't wait for Face;s next installment.
Lakey

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Vvvvrrrroooommmm!

I'm a Maserati gal. Always have been.

You know, I've heard that about you!

 

[Ted]

[...]
What are these forces?

The “Lucky Few” generation, the “Baby Boomer” generation and, most importantly, a unique “composite” force out of these two forces.

The latter years members of the “Few’s” were heavily influenced by their counter-culture sub-cohort group, the Beatniks. The earlier years members of the “Boomer’s” were heavily influenced by their own counter-culture sub-cohort group—spawned by the “Beats’—the Hippies.

This crossover cohort group (CCG) is the cultural, numerical, educational, economic “pig in the python’. It is the driving wind that has filled sails and sunk ships for the last 50 years. El Ron thought that the rise of Scn in the late ‘50’s and the “Boom” years was due to his Tech and Admin brilliance, his executive acumen …it wasn’t. It was due to Scn’s sails catching some of the CCG wind.

The CCG’s created the Field and built the Missions and Orgs inspight of SO “Management”. Senior SO Int "Management" was primarily clueless yes-men, jockeying for position to curry the favor of El Ron. The most clueless, political and self centered of the bunch was Princess Di, CS-6. Of all the children, Diana was the most like her father. Having a “conversation” with Princess Di was pretty much like having one with El Ron…you were just a prop on their stage. I feel for her though…towards the end El Ron hung her out to dry, too.

[...]
Face

Right on, Face!

The scientology boom of the '70s was not due to hub-tech and his brilliance. It happened because ~something~ was bound to happen in the middle of that perfect storm.

I like to say that scientology boomed because the Beatles came to America. Or scientology boomed because we got out of Vietnam. Or it was because of free concerts in Golden Gate Park. Or... But of course the boom was due to a lot more than all of that. That time won't be repeated.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Congrats to all the Graduates!

Congratulations to Carmelo and Mrs. Carmelo on the successful fledging of their youngest from the nest...wishing her much happiness and satisfaction with her career and life in general...(I remember how much easier real life seemed after grad school ended! )

Graduating is a lovely accomplishment, Congrats to all our ESMB graduates!

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Lakey and Ted,

Thank you for your responses.

Ted, I was gonna include you in my naming of CCG’s on this thread but I wasn’t 100% positive…now I know, bro’.

Lakey, my two older brothers are Lucky Few’s, also. I was raised on Classical Music…I love much of it and have a number of Classical CD’s. My music tastes are eclectic…everything from Madrigal’s to Rock to Blue Grass, from Doc Watson to G.F. Handel to Paul Horn.

Face

 

[lkwdblds]

Do you like J.S. Bach?

Lakey and Ted,

Thank you for your responses.

Ted, I was gonna include you in my naming of CCG’s on this thread but I wasn’t 100% positive…now I know, bro’.

Lakey, my two older brothers are Lucky Few’s, also. I was raised on Classical Music…I love much of it and have a number of Classical CD’s. My music tastes are eclectic…everything from Madrigal’s to Rock to Blue Grass, from Doc Watson to G.F. Handel to Paul Horn.

Face

I would definitely name Ted as a CCG or on any all=star team of top posters on ESMB. I first encountered him about a year ago when I started a thread on Education and Scientology Study tech. Ted was a contributor and blew my socks off with some of his posts concerning education. Plus he coined the phrase, when talking about the Sea Org, "Is this any way to run a Navy?" That thread was just fantastic. I remember that Ted and Roger did a lot of posting and well as a woman named Olska and then there were about 3 other people making very high level posts. The thread did not last very long but it generated about 97 replies and many of those were some of the best material I have ever seen on ESMB.

Face, if you like Handel you must like Bach. I just heard the Bach Keyboard Concerto #1 on local FM radio today, played and conducted by Andres Schiff. I turned my volume up loud and nearly had an orgasm (just joking) listening to that piece. It took me way up the tone scale. I don't know where I was, as regards tone but it was way up there. The mastery that Bach possessed in writing that piece is beyond human. It is called a keyboard concerto because it was written for the harpsichord but nowadays it is usually played with the piano as the solo instrument.

Glenn Gould plays a couple of versions of it on youtube and plays it perfectly but I got more out of this performance today maybe because i was listening to better sound than the tinny speakers of my computer produce. Maybe I will put a link up for you below. If past experience is an index, it will pretty much be ignored except possibly by Leon or Face.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVODxskoHFQ&feature=related

This is awesome, if you don't check it out, what can I say. It also features Leonard Bernstein as the conductor.
Lakey

 

[FoTi]

I would definitely name Ted as a CCG or on any all=star team of top posters on ESMB. I first encountered him about a year ago when I started a thread on Education and Scientology Study tech. Ted was a contributor and blew my socks off with some of his posts concerning education. Plus he coined the phrase, when talking about the Sea Org, "Is this any way to run a Navy?" That thread was just fantastic. I remember that Ted and Roger did a lot of posting and well as a woman named Olska and then there were about 3 other people making very high level posts. The thread did not last very long but it generated about 97 replies and many of those were some of the best material I have ever seen on ESMB.

Face, if you like Handel you must like Bach. I just heard the Bach Keyboard Concerto #1 on local FM radio today, played and conducted by Andres Schiff. I turned my volume up loud and nearly had an orgasm (just joking) listening to that piece. It took me way up the tone scale. I don't know where I was, as regards tone but it was way up there. The mastery that Bach possessed in writing that piece is beyond human. It is called a keyboard concerto because it was written for the harpsichord but nowadays it is usually played with the piano as the solo instrument.

Glenn Gould plays a couple of versions of it on youtube and plays it perfectly but I got more out of this performance today maybe because i was listening to better sound than the tinny speakers of my computer produce. Maybe I will put a link up for you below. If past experience is an index, it will pretty much be ignored except possibly by Leon or Face.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVODxskoHFQ&feature=related

This is awesome, if you don't check it out, what can I say. It also features Leonard Bernstein as the conductor.
Lakey

Makes me wish I still had my piano.

Glenn Gould has the longest fingers I've ever seen on anyone.

 

[lkwdblds]

His fingers are like snakes!

Makes me wish I still had my piano.

Glenn Gould has the longest fingers I've ever seen on anyone.

Yes, I had noticed that as well, his fingers are like snakes they are so long. Did you enjoy the concerto?
Lakey

 

[Leon]

Can I be a CCG too? I'm not too sure what it is but it sounds like a good club to join.

 

[lkwdblds]

I nominate Lean for CCG, is there a second?

Can I be a CCG too? I'm not too sure what it is but it sounds like a good club to join.

Leon, you can be in any elite group you want on this thread as far as I am concerned but it is Face's call since he created the term. I presume you were born after 1945 so you would be in the Baby Boomer Division. We old farts born before 1945 are in the other group, what is it called the Fortunate Few or something like that. BTW, I believe that Dull Old Fart, despite his name was born after 1945 and is in the younger of the two groups.

You answered at least two questions I had about my personal auditing and I am still blowing down from those wins plus you like classical music and you studied Goethe and like the Horst Wessel song. Those qualities alone qualify you for CCG as far as I am concerned.

Zinjifar's byline, "There is something eternal in me and it is not "I", really caught my attention. I wrote something about it on Geir Isene's site recommended by Vinaire. While writing it, I had more realizations. These realizations had to do with Individuality. When thetans or spirits first make the decision "to be" are they all the same or are there individual differences right from the beginning. Most belief systems which I have looked at which are spiritual and not chemically based start with something such as Hubbard's, "Before the beginning there is a Cause..." Whatever Cause is, pieces of it separate out and make a decision "to be" and then the first action of beingness is to assume a Viewpoint.

I had a nice win over on that other site when it was pointed out that the Factors as stated by Hubbard do not apply only to the origin of the universe but they apply to every cycle of action which we do. For example, lets say someone decides to make dinner. A spiritual being decides to be a chef, assumes the viewpoint of a chef, creates some space in which to prepare foods and cook and does a lot of reaching and withdrawing and ends up with the product of a meal. This is a Be, Do Have cycle similar to what the Factors state with regards to an entire Universe. In fact, it is a Fractal of the Factors. I read this 5 or 6 days ago and it opened the door to enable me to further understand the game we are playing here. Also, some people over there speculate that this Universe is a Fractal of a bigger game than this Universe so things can get pretty far out!

Well, as the discussion over there got deeper, I came up with a question as to where individuality comes from, are beings inherently different, or do we all start out virtually identical and develop our individual traits during the course of living? I was thinking of starting a new thread to explore this question and am just mentioning it here to see if there is any interest or reaction to it on this thread.
Lakey

 

[thetanic]

You know, I've heard that about you!

See, word travels fast.

 

[FoTi]

Yes, I had noticed that as well, his fingers are like snakes they are so long. Did you enjoy the concerto?
Lakey

I think I was more fascinated with his fingers than the concerto. My favorite pianist is Leonard Pennario. This is my favorite album.

http://www.pennario.org/Pages/LP_Covers/Colors_Ravel.html

 

[FoTi]

What is CCG?

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

What is CCG?

Excerpted from my earlier post re: “El Ron Misses The Boat”:
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What are these forces?

The “Lucky Few” generation, the “Baby Boomer” generation and, most importantly, a unique “composite” force out of these two forces.

The latter years members of the “Few’s” were heavily influenced by their counter-culture sub-cohort group, the Beatniks. The earlier years members of the “Boomer’s” were heavily influenced by their own counter-culture sub-cohort group—spawned by the “Beats’—the Hippies.

This crossover cohort group (CCG) is the cultural, numerical, educational, economic “pig in the python’. It is the driving wind that has filled sails and sunk ships for the last 50 years. El Ron thought that the rise of Scn in the late ‘50’s and the “Boom” years was due to his Tech and Admin brilliance, his executive acumen …it wasn’t. It was due to Scn’s sails catching some of the CCG wind.

The CCG’s created the Field and built the Missions and Orgs inspight of SO “Management”. Senior SO Int "Management" was primarily clueless yes-men, jockeying for position to curry the favor of El Ron. The most clueless, political and self centered of the bunch was Princess Di, CS-6. Of all the children, Diana was the most like her father. Having a “conversation” with Princess Di was pretty much like having one with El Ron…you were just a prop on their stage. I feel for her though…towards the end El Ron hung her out to dry, too.
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CCG's are those born from around 1935 to 1960 or so.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Lakey,

Thanks for the JSB...yeah, I like Bach. Bet you had a "Switched on Bach" album.

 

[lkwdblds]

FoTi see Face's post #3021 from yesterday.

What is CCG?

FoTi, what does your name mean or stand for? CCG means Crossover Cohort Group and was coined and explained by Face about a day ago in his post #3021 down near the end of the post. Rather than try to explain it to you, I will just recommend that you read that post.

Ah yes, Ravel, Leonar Pennario. All my life, I just concentrated on one area of clasical music, the German, Austrian and Italian Schools of music between about 1750 to 1840. I did not like much else in Classical music. However, we started our lovely daughter on piano lessons at the age of 4 and she continued with it all the way to age 18. She became quite accomplished and for most of those years I drove her to her lessons and stayed there and watched her. Also one of her teachers had a recital at his house almost once a week where all his students performed.

My daughter went through many phases and had her favorite composers. Debusy was one, then she began to like Ravel better than Debusy then Shostokovich, Kabeeivsky, Bartok etc. Also she played a great deal of Chopin. Anyway, in those 14 years, I expanded my horizons and became fairly conversant with 19th and 20th century composers of classical music. I came to love many of those composers, especially Chopin.

I'm always going to list Mozart as my number 1 boy but it is not just because of the music but I sense a kinship with him from back on the time track. Chopin, Ravel, Debusy are now among my favorites in classical music as well. That was one of the benefits of raising two kids, expanding one's knowledge in the activities they take up. You know, I have a Bachelor's Degree in Math but have not used any mathematics at all since I left the aerospace industry in 1971. My Son majored in math and though I have not used math for 38 years, I was able to help my son on all Math problems up until he became a Junior at UC Irivine. He was taking math classes that did not even exist when I went to school. Sometime around his Jr. year, I could no longer help him, he finally knew more Math than I did. That was a weird feeling because for nearly 20 years of his schooling he never posed a problem that I couldn't figure out and now he had passed me up. Still, I am proud that I could help him for so long considering I had not used my math for over 35 years. When your kid passes you up in some field of endeavor in which you majored in or were knowledgeable in, it is a strange feeling of pride mixed with sadness. My Daughter passed me by a mile in music and my Son in math. Its a strange flow.
Lakey

 

[FoTi]

Excerpted from my earlier post re: “El Ron Misses The Boat”:
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What are these forces?

The “Lucky Few” generation, the “Baby Boomer” generation and, most importantly, a unique “composite” force out of these two forces.

The latter years members of the “Few’s” were heavily influenced by their counter-culture sub-cohort group, the Beatniks. The earlier years members of the “Boomer’s” were heavily influenced by their own counter-culture sub-cohort group—spawned by the “Beats’—the Hippies.

This crossover cohort group (CCG) is the cultural, numerical, educational, economic “pig in the python’. It is the driving wind that has filled sails and sunk ships for the last 50 years. El Ron thought that the rise of Scn in the late ‘50’s and the “Boom” years was due to his Tech and Admin brilliance, his executive acumen …it wasn’t. It was due to Scn’s sails catching some of the CCG wind.

The CCG’s created the Field and built the Missions and Orgs inspight of SO “Management”. Senior SO Int "Management" was primarily clueless yes-men, jockeying for position to curry the favor of El Ron. The most clueless, political and self centered of the bunch was Princess Di, CS-6. Of all the children, Diana was the most like her father. Having a “conversation” with Princess Di was pretty much like having one with El Ron…you were just a prop on their stage. I feel for her though…towards the end El Ron hung her out to dry, too.
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CCG's are those born from around 1935 to 1960 or so.

Face

Thanks.

 

[FoTi]

FoTi, what does your name mean or stand for? CCG means Crossover Cohort Group and was coined and explained by Face about a day ago in his post #3021 down near the end of the post. Rather than try to explain it to you, I will just recommend that you read that post.

Ah yes, Ravel, Leonar Pennario. All my life, I just concentrated on one area of clasical music, the German, Austrian and Italian Schools of music between about 1750 to 1840. I did not like much else in Classical music. However, we started our lovely daughter on piano lessons at the age of 4 and she continued with it all the way to age 18. She became quite accomplished and for most of those years I drove her to her lessons and stayed there and watched her. Also one of her teachers had a recital at his house almost once a week where all his students performed.

My daughter went through many phases and had her favorite composers. Debusy was one, then she began to like Ravel better than Debusy then Shostokovich, Kabeeivsky, Bartok etc. Also she played a great deal of Chopin. Anyway, in those 14 years, I expanded my horizons and became fairly conversant with 19th and 20th century composers of classical music. I came to love many of those composers, especially Chopin.

I'm always going to list Mozart as my number 1 boy but it is not just because of the music but I sense a kinship with him from back on the time track. Chopin, Ravel, Debusy are now among my favorites in classical music as well. That was one of the benefits of raising two kids, expanding one's knowledge in the activities they take up. You know, I have a Bachelor's Degree in Math but have not used any mathematics at all since I left the aerospace industry in 1971. My Son majored in math and though I have not used math for 38 years, I was able to help my son on all Math problems up until he became a Junior at UC Irivine. He was taking math classes that did not even exist when I went to school. Sometime around his Jr. year, I could no longer help him, he finally knew more Math than I did. That was a weird feeling because for nearly 20 years of his schooling he never posed a problem that I couldn't figure out and now he had passed me up. Still, I am proud that I could help him for so long considering I had not used my math for over 35 years. When your kid passes you up in some field of endeavor in which you majored in or were knowledgeable in, it is a strange feeling of pride mixed with sadness. My Daughter passed me by a mile in music and my Son in math. Its a strange flow.
Lakey

Yes, I understand. When I see what kids have to learn today compared to the classes I had when I went to school, it's a different world today. I don't know how they keep up with it.

This is where the name FoTi came from. I make tea with it once in a while, and I just like the sound of the name. I'm actually drinking it right now. It has a very smokey flavor. Click on the link....it will explain it.

http://www.nutralegacy.com/blog/general-healthcare/fo-ti-root-as-a-dietary-supplement/

 

[Leon]

Thanks Lakey. I'm 1946 so I reckon I'm in. Awesome.