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Lakey, that resturant we met at in Fullerton just might work. They probably got some veggies :) We could probably take over the back room and be at least semi private.

And I like you calling a man in his 50's young :)

A get together would be a whole lot of fun !

Check out Angelo & Vinci's on Harbor, near the old theater, in Fullerton. Excellent Italian food with numerous vegetarian options and they are accustomed to accomodating parties.


Mark A. Baker
 
In actual factual fact, I've been toying with the idea of bringing a friend to one of these gatherings of old timers. He is OSA. Tory has already met him. He and I go back four decades as friends. I would so like to give him a little reality shift. He is a good guy through and through. Just doesn't have the full picture.

Good, I'd like to meet him. I would even promise to "play nicely" with him.

[Note: The promise of good behavior applies only towards those current members of the OSA in attendance at the social gathering (and "Q" of course, that goes without saying). Other guests must need take their respective chances.]


Mark A. Baker
 

Zinjifar

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Might be good to specify as to 'OSA'. All actual 'OSA' members are Sea Org. But, there are hundreds of 'staff'/'public' Scientologists who are actively 'working for OSA' as 'OSA Public' etc.

Are you saying this guy is actually a full-blown Sea Org OSA member? Or, just somebody playing flunky? Like Bill Yaude.?

Zinj
 
Might be good to specify as to 'OSA'. All actual 'OSA' members are Sea Org. But, there are hundreds of 'staff'/'public' Scientologists who are actively 'working for OSA' as 'OSA Public' etc.

Are you saying this guy is actually a full-blown Sea Org OSA member? Or, just somebody playing flunky? Like Bill Yaude.?

Zinj

Why do you want to know, Z? :D


Mark A. Baker
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
One of my best friends is a regular on this thread, and he asked me to share this story here, about one of my earliest and most rewarding auditing experiences, so here goes:

In 1981, there was a demand that all eastern U.S. orgs send a number of staff to be trained as HGC auditors at what had been designated the Continental Training Org, the Miami Org, which at the time was the biggest and most successful class IV org. They were a truly impressive group, and I've become reacquainted with several people I met there, through ESMB in the past year or two.

I had joined staff in New York in 1979, and worked in div 6 (public divisions) until I soured on the org exec experience and decided to follow my goal to be an auditor. To that end, I recruited someone to replace me on my post, and personally trained and apprenticed him on my functions until my superior originated to me that I had completed this task well enough to move on. I signed a new 5 year contract to join the TTC (technical training corps, the people on staff who are training to become auditors for the organization), and had been training for a few months when this demand to send staff to Miami materialized.

I had recently gotten married to my first wife, who had two young children. She had also joined staff, and both of us were being asked to go to Miami to train there. While she was being successfully persuaded to go, I was simultaneously refusing, because I considered the idea a slight to my own org, and I saw no reason I couldn't train just as well where I was. Two things happened to change my mind, the first being that if I wasn't going to Miami, I was expected to mind my new bride's 2 young children myself when I barely knew them, so that she could go off carefree to train (as it turned out, she had very little interest in the well-being of her own children, but that's a story for another day) and I was called into the org's executive director's office after steadfastly refusing to be sent out of the org for training, and saw him pretty much beg me to reconsider, cowering, with two big monkeys in paramilitary uniforms (the "Sea Organization") standing on each side of him, arms folded, clearly applying intimidation toward him that would never fly against me. I felt a pull to rescue/save him from whatever threat he was under. Looking back, maybe that was their plan. At any rate, at that point, I acquiesced.

At the age of 26, I took my first commercial airline flight, as the New Org TTC I/C (person in charge of all the auditors in training from the New York org).

More to follow....


Love, Dex

Good to see you around, Dex. Let 'er buck. I'm interested in your story.:yes:

I was in and out of theirami and NYO a time or two during the '70's.

Face:)
 

FoTi

Crusader
One of my best friends is a regular on this thread, and he asked me to share this story here, about one of my earliest and most rewarding auditing experiences, so here goes:

In 1981, there was a demand that all eastern U.S. orgs send a number of staff to be trained as HGC auditors at what had been designated the Continental Training Org, the Miami Org, which at the time was the biggest and most successful class IV org. They were a truly impressive group, and I've become reacquainted with several people I met there, through ESMB in the past year or two.

I had joined staff in New York in 1979, and worked in div 6 (public divisions) until I soured on the org exec experience and decided to follow my goal to be an auditor. To that end, I recruited someone to replace me on my post, and personally trained and apprenticed him on my functions until my superior originated to me that I had completed this task well enough to move on. I signed a new 5 year contract to join the TTC (technical training corps, the people on staff who are training to become auditors for the organization), and had been training for a few months when this demand to send staff to Miami materialized.

I had recently gotten married to my first wife, who had two young children. She had also joined staff, and both of us were being asked to go to Miami to train there. While she was being successfully persuaded to go, I was simultaneously refusing, because I considered the idea a slight to my own org, and I saw no reason I couldn't train just as well where I was. Two things happened to change my mind, the first being that if I wasn't going to Miami, I was expected to mind my new bride's 2 young children myself when I barely knew them, so that she could go off carefree to train (as it turned out, she had very little interest in the well-being of her own children, but that's a story for another day) and I was called into the org's executive director's office after steadfastly refusing to be sent out of the org for training, and saw him pretty much beg me to reconsider, cowering, with two big monkeys in paramilitary uniforms (the "Sea Organization") standing on each side of him, arms folded, clearly applying intimidation toward him that would never fly against me. I felt a pull to rescue/save him from whatever threat he was under. Looking back, maybe that was their plan. At any rate, at that point, I acquiesced.

At the age of 26, I took my first commercial airline flight, as the New Org TTC I/C (person in charge of all the auditors in training from the New York org).

More to follow....


Love, Dex

So....what's the auditing experience? Where's the story?
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Excellent recommendation!!

Check out Angelo & Vinci's on Harbor, near the old theater, in Fullerton. Excellent Italian food with numerous vegetarian options and they are accustomed to accomodating parties.


Mark A. Baker

Excellent recommendation Mark! I know the place well, a huge building, great atmosphere, great food. What about dancing? The 6 of us who danced at Edey's party on Sunday just had the time of our lives dancing, expecially Candy. The grapevine has it that Candy is letting her hair grow long again just like in the 60's and 70's. She was a terror dancing on Sunday like she was a teen ager.

At least 5 of the 6 who danced on Sunday are going to demand dancing wherever it is we choose. Those 5 were Edey, Lorinda, Candy, Johnny and me. The 6th dancer was Edey's date Kevin, and I don't know if he would insist on dancing or not. If we can get the restaurant to guarantee us a dancing area, I think you have given us a winner Mark!
Lakey
Wowee! My post here started page 800 of our thread, amazing!
 
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Excellent recommendation Mark! I know the place well, a huge building, great atmosphere, great food?. What about dancing? The 6 of us who danced at Edey's party on Sunday just had the time of our lives dancing, expecially Candy. The grapevine has it that Candy is letting her hair grow long again just like in the 60's and 70's. She was a terror dancing on Sunday like she was a teen ager.

At least 5 of the 6 who danced on Sunday are going to demand dancing wherever it is we choose. Those 5 were Edey, Lorinda, Candy, Johnny and me. The 6th dancer was Edey's date Kevin, and I don't know if he would insist on dancing or not. If we can get the restaurant to guarantee us a dancing area, I think you have given us a winner Mark!
Lakey
Wowee! My post here started page 800 of our thread, amazing!

I'm not a dancer but the man who started the restaurant was. Stephano Peccaro performed professionally as Stephen Peck. For many years he ran a dance studio in addition to his restaurant. He also performed in film, had a minor role as one of the "family" in the Godfather.

There are several banquet ares in the building, all with good solid wooden floors ideal for dancing. Check with the management for details, its still family owned.

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/oct/20/local/me-peck20

http://www.angelosandvincis.com/


Mark A. Baker
 
Might be good to specify as to 'OSA'. All actual 'OSA' members are Sea Org. But, there are hundreds of 'staff'/'public' Scientologists who are actively 'working for OSA' as 'OSA Public' etc.

Are you saying this guy is actually a full-blown Sea Org OSA member? Or, just somebody playing flunky? Like Bill Yaude.?

Zinj
a Sea Org member, but in the words of George Orwell in Animal Farm, some Sea Org members are more equal than others.
 

dexter gelfand

Patron Meritorious
Auditing at Miami org, 1982 (continued)

(Thanks to those of you who have expressed interest, here's the next part of this story):

I arrived at the Miami org, and right away I was impressed with the number of staff, the number of HGC auditors, and the personnel in Qual, particularly qual sec Jed McCord and Intern Sup John Gludovatz. Very professional, very friendly, very real in their communications. Eventually there were several dozen outer org auditor trainees. Among them was John Magerowski from Boston, a great guy. John and I became fast friends, and wound up paired as "twins" throughout our training. John and I were, from start to finish, steps ahead of all the other students and interns, so that worked out very well for both both of us.
I wound up being the "I/C" or "In-charge", of the outer org students, which was a lively and eclectic bunch. I recall a party that was ran late in the org, past the point at which I was turning in for the night, when we all had to be in the course room the next morning, and the noise and music was keeping me awake. There must have been 40 or so students dancing and partying. I walked back in and sent everyone home to their dorm rooms to be "studentable" (and so I could sleep). It was so cute, all these kids- teenagers and early 20's for the most part, streaming out past me, thanking me for "Keeping their ethics in", I felt like I was their dad or something:) .

It was an interesting crew of students, for sure. Some were just not capable of grasping the materials for whatever reason. I remember one girl student, sitting in the course room, always staring into space, no clue. One day, without pointing at her or stating her name, I just looked at the course sup, "Cuch" Figeroa, when he drifted over to me, and asked him "What is she doing here?" Knowing Cuch would have to know who I meant. He did. There was a guy from the Atlanta org, who, had a frustrated look on his face that said "What the F__k is this?" pretty much all the time. Finally, one day, he was sent to qual, where he was instructed to write down a list of everything he had a question about, everything he didn't understand. I saw the list while I was doing my internship. It was a very long list. One of his questions was "If I'm a class III auditor, how come I'm so dumb?" I could see where the intern sup had written in red, underneath that line, "Good question".:duh:

Obviously, this was the result of a "stat push" to fulfill unrealistic quotas forced on each org, and so in desperation (or perhaps annoyance), there were instances where in order to "comply with command intention", some orgs sent some untrainable "students".
Having risen to the top of that crop (intern sup John Gludovatz had declared me to be the top trainee of the group), I was frequently asked to act as review auditor for the "flat ball bearings", the public and student PC's that hadn't done well with their HGC or student auditors. I relished the challenge, and enjoyed accomplishing my goal to achieve that position.
There was one trainee from the Boston org, who had an inappropriate interest in me, and found no shortage of bad excuses to get my attention. The most outstanding time was when she tapped me on the shoulder in the course room, and spoke a "deadly serious" tone. She had a tiny speck of paper in her hand. She pushed in in my face and said "Dexter. do you recognize this?" (As though she was interrogating me in a dark room with a floodlight over my head). It turned out that she had taken it upon herself to get hold of the folder of the preclear I was auditing, in which I'd noted on the program sheet, as is proper form, what that preclear was voicing while the e-meter was registering a particular phenomena called a "rock slam", which is evidence of a bad intention. It gets noted for future case handling. She had failed to grasp that point, and had actually torn this off of the sheet to tell me that it was wrong of me to have written that in the folder, because, she claimed it could act to "3rd party", i.e. slander, that preclear. With a combination of annoyance and resignation, I walked her over to where the technical reference was that covered this situation, and told her to go tape that sliver of paper back onto the program sheet. For whatever reason, she continued to find ways to impinge on me. Some time later, I was asked by the case supervisor to audit her after she'd chewed up a couple of the org's HGC auditors, and nobody else wanted to deal with her. (footnote: even after that, a year or two later, she somehow managed yet another repeat performance. I'd been back in New York as Lead HGC auditor when she was sent there to do an internship as a case supervisor, got hold of my PC's folder, and abused her authority as acting Case Supervisor to suspend my certification as an auditor on the basis that she was unable to read my handwriting-not even on anything that occurred in the actual session, but on my notation of the preclear's meter read upon checking for basal metabolism- a mind-boggling example of nitpicking, and overreacting in biblical proportions).:grouch:

more to follow...

Love, Dex
 
(Thanks to those of you who have expressed interest, here's the next part of this story):

I arrived at the Miami org, and right away I was impressed with the number of staff, the number of HGC auditors, and the personnel in Qual, particularly qual sec Jed McCord and Intern Sup John Gludovatz. Very professional, very friendly, very real in their communications. Eventually there were several dozen outer org auditor trainees. Among them was John Magerowski from Boston, a great guy. John and I became fast friends, and wound up paired as "twins" throughout our training. John and I were, from start to finish, steps ahead of all the other students and interns, so that worked out very well for both both of us.
I wound up being the "I/C" or "In-charge", of the outer org students, which was a lively and eclectic bunch. I recall a party that was ran late in the org, past the point at which I was turning in for the night, when we all had to be in the course room the next morning, and the noise and music was keeping me awake. There must have been 40 or so students dancing and partying. I walked back in and sent everyone home to their dorm rooms to be "studentable" (and so I could sleep). It was so cute, all these kids- teenagers and early 20's for the most part, streaming out past me, thanking me for "Keeping their ethics in", I felt like I was their dad or something:) .

It was an interesting crew of students, for sure. Some were just not capable of grasping the materials for whatever reason. I remember one girl student, sitting in the course room, always staring into space, no clue. One day, without pointing at her or stating her name, I just looked at the course sup, "Cuch" Figeroa, when he drifted over to me, and asked him "What is she doing here?" Knowing Cuch would have to know who I meant. He did. There was a guy from the Atlanta org, who, had a frustrated look on his face that said "What the F__k is this?" pretty much all the time. Finally, one day, he was sent to qual, where he was instructed to write down a list of everything he had a question about, everything he didn't understand. I saw the list while I was doing my internship. It was a very long list. One of his questions was "If I'm a class III auditor, how come I'm so dumb?" I could see where the intern sup had written in red, underneath that line, "Good question".:duh:

Obviously, this was the result of a "stat push" to fulfill unrealistic quotas forced on each org, and so in desperation (or perhaps annoyance), there were instances where in order to "comply with command intention", some orgs sent some untrainable "students".
Having risen to the top of that crop (intern sup John Gludovatz had declared me to be the top trainee of the group), I was frequently asked to act as review auditor for the "flat ball bearings", the public and student PC's that hadn't done well with their HGC or student auditors. I relished the challenge, and enjoyed accomplishing my goal to achieve that position.
There was one trainee from the Boston org, who had an inappropriate interest in me, and found no shortage of bad excuses to get my attention. The most outstanding time was when she tapped me on the shoulder in the course room, and spoke a "deadly serious" tone. She had a tiny speck of paper in her hand. She pushed in in my face and said "Dexter. do you recognize this?" (As though she was interrogating me in a dark room with a floodlight over my head). It turned out that she had taken it upon herself to get hold of the folder of the preclear I was auditing, in which I'd noted on the program sheet, as is proper form, what that preclear was voicing while the e-meter was registering a particular phenomena called a "rock slam", which is evidence of a bad intention. It gets noted for future case handling. She had failed to grasp that point, and had actually torn this off of the sheet to tell me that it was wrong of me to have written that in the folder, because, she claimed it could act to "3rd party", i.e. slander, that preclear. With a combination of annoyance and resignation, I walked her over to where the technical reference was that covered this situation, and told her to go tape that sliver of paper back onto the program sheet. For whatever reason, she continued to find ways to impinge on me. Some time later, I was asked by the case supervisor to audit her after she'd chewed up a couple of the org's HGC auditors, and nobody else wanted to deal with her. (footnote: even after that, a year or two later, she somehow managed yet another repeat performance. I'd been back in New York as Lead HGC auditor when she was sent there to do an internship as a case supervisor, got hold of my PC's folder, and abused her authority as acting Case Supervisor to suspend my certification as an auditor on the basis that she was unable to read my handwriting-not even on anything that occurred in the actual session, but on my notation of the preclear's meter read upon checking for basal metabolism- a mind-boggling example of nitpicking, and overreacting in biblical proportions).:grouch:

more to follow...

Love, Dex

that's funny. those are the times that try one's soul.
 
Carmellow, do you remember the saying (was it on a poster or bumper sticker?) from the 60's that said "Dirty Old Men Need Love Too?" :p

Well, as far as I am concerned, that applies to OSA. None of them have a good grasp on reality or the full picture, or they wouldn't be doing what they are doing...and we ALL would so like to give them a little reality shift. Not sure just hanging out with our crowd would do it, but...

something should! :yes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmZdvVnMXCc
 
Excellent recommendation Mark! I know the place well, a huge building, great atmosphere, great food?. What about dancing? The 6 of us who danced at Edey's party on Sunday just had the time of our lives dancing, expecially Candy. The grapevine has it that Candy is letting her hair grow long again just like in the 60's and 70's. She was a terror dancing on Sunday like she was a teen ager.

At least 5 of the 6 who danced on Sunday are going to demand dancing wherever it is we choose. Those 5 were Edey, Lorinda, Candy, Johnny and me. The 6th dancer was Edey's date Kevin, and I don't know if he would insist on dancing or not. If we can get the restaurant to guarantee us a dancing area, I think you have given us a winner Mark!
Lakey
Wowee! My post here started page 800 of our thread, amazing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euiFGPR_Xz8
 
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