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Veda

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Ken Ogger extended the fromtiers of Scientology. So did Captain Bill, so did Alan Walter and Dennis Stephens and so have many many others. John Mcmaster and others did a lot of work that Hubbard claimed was his own, when in fact it wasn't. The subject of Scientology is not exclusive to the Church of Scientology and by a long shot is not limited to the works of L Ron Hubbard. And factually, much of what Hubbard presented as being Scientology was actually a gross violation of basic Scientology principles.

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Great. So Leon-ology is now part of Scientology.

Of course.

One last note: Alan Walter had enough integrity, and enough clarity of thought, to recognize that he was not a Scientologist, and his teachings were not Scientology.

Please don't make Alan Walter a Scientologist and his teachings Scientology. Please respect the man enough not to do that. OK?
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
Great. So Leon-ology is now part of Scientology.

Of course.

One last note: Alan Walter had enough integrity, and enough clarity of thought, to recognize that he was not a Scientologist, and his teachings were not Scientology.

Please don't make Alan Walter a Scientologist and his teachings Scientology. Please respect the man enough not to do that. OK?

My attention has been on this for three days now. It is from the thread Stably Exterior With Full Perception. Veda gave a link as always and I traced it down. This is something Alan Walter said which caught my attention. Where has he ever discussed such views before??? He is talking about darkside entities.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=12580&postcount=122
 
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Hatshepsut

Crusader
Originally Posted by MattD

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I think that if you look at the techniques used and its supposed effect, blow would refer to the entity leaving after it has a cognition, thus of its own determinism. I think that blow really describes the feeling of them leaving rather than what should be the intent of the auditor. It may have been a bad choice of words on Hubbard part, given the conversation we are having about it.

But blow does describe the sensation of having your attached PC suddenly cogniting and its attention going free, free of you and free to be elsewhere.

...snip...
I've decided to give this little anecdote here . I remarked about this to Mark Baker a while back and he encouraged me to share. I never found the right lead in. I'm creating one here.

Back in 1981 I was getting Int handling again at Miami Org. I had a mess on my hands. I had masses blowing masses which had yet other things attached. I broke up something that was like a glue for the beings in my space. These did not resolve but woke in an anaten/druggy state. I left the Org on an auditing break not feeling too well. I strolled down Miracle Mile in Coral Gables browsing the shop windows. I passed other shoppers, some with babies in strollers, I noticed beings trying to shove off of me and into those infants and toddlers. I felt kind of a reverberating wooziness and sickness being connected to those trying to leave my space. I could tell that their first inclination having woken up and feeling that their stability had been badly shaken was to relocate someplace comfortable.

I bring this up because I could see these beings and feel their anxiety. Actual beings. Authentic people like thee and me. Not ridges, or 'bits' of others; not portions of myself. :no: These guys had had no cognition on who they really were or what goals of their own they might have. I was on lower levels and was not privvy to any confidential info.

All that these beings knew to do was what they had always done when the program of helping to run a 'life' was disturbed. I can't say that any of the folks successfully made their transfer. But the attempt was urgent for them. That mass that they had been attached to had gone and I wasn't really considered a host. They had been stuck to a somewhat druggy mass in the core of the body. Maybe it was a fluke that the split off left with some beings in shock. Experiencing the mood levels was not pleasant. I probably felt like the last time they were knocked out before they became their condition.
If I had understood my situation, I could've set them free. It might have made the difference between leading a self determined existence and just going anaten attaching to another body.

I received a subjective reality that there are real beings tagging along sometimes.

On another occassion I had the more solid ridges of my body start to disperse. Like the arcs that solar prominences make on the sun's surface. Ken Urquhart had to go over body locations and date and locate individual incidents which were very old. So these individual viewpoints of dimension no bigger than cells got their traumas acked and spotted. I didn't call them BTs because I hadn't heard the term yet. But if they were left over bits of consciousness from old universes compressed it became clear to them that this was not their schtick . It was almost zen-like, where one recognizes himself as subject and object at the same time with this consciousness. Not my cognition but theirs. An 'un-creation' of veiwpoint occurred at that moment. Nobody went anywhere or blew. The viewpoints just discreated into some prime static or something.

I think some beings are ordained to animate the world of forms and have a soulness or astral matter or density. The intention is that they endure and these are probably 'creations' of other people, maybe even parts of them. And then there are those who are stuck by mistake or misconception. It might be that one category returns to a state of cosmic potential and the other returns to its full self determinism.
 
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Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
Great. So Leon-ology is now part of Scientology.

Of course.

One last note: Alan Walter had enough integrity, and enough clarity of thought, to recognize that he was not a Scientologist, and his teachings were not Scientology.

Please don't make Alan Walter a Scientologist and his teachings Scientology. Please respect the man enough not to do that. OK?


True.

Alan was offended at any mention of Knowledgism being a reworked and revved up scientology.

Yet there are crossover points that are apparent at first glance. In my estimation Knowledgism is way beyond scientology.
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Fascinating post Hats!

I've decided to give this little anecdote here . I remarked about this to Mark Baker a while back and he encouraged me to share. I never found the right lead in. I'm creating one here.

Back in 1981 I was getting Int handling again at Miami Org. I had a mess on my hands. I had masses blowing masses which had yet other things attached. I broke up something that was like a glue for the beings in my space. These did not resolve but woke in an anaten/druggy state. I left the Org on an auditing break not feeling too well. I strolled down Miracle Mile in Coral Gables browsing the shop windows. I passed other shoppers, some with babies in strollers, I noticed beings trying to shove off of me and into those infants and toddlers. I felt kind of a reverberating wooziness and sickness being connected to those trying to leave my space. I could tell that their first inclination having woken up and feeling that their stability had been badly shaken was to relocate someplace comfortable.

I bring this up because I could see these beings and feel their anxiety. Actual beings. Authentic people like thee and me. Not ridges, or 'bits' of others; not portions of myself. :no: These guys had had no cognition on who they really were or what goals of their own they might have. I was on lower levels and was not privvy to any confidential info.

All that these beings knew to do was what they had always done when the program of helping to run a 'life' was disturbed. I can't say that any of the folks successfully made their transfer. But the attempt was urgent for them. That mass that they had been attached to had gone and I wasn't really considered a host. They had been stuck to a somewhat druggy mass in the core of the body. Maybe it was a fluke that the split off left with some beings in shock. Experiencing the mood levels was not pleasant. I probably felt like the last time they were knocked out before they became their condition.
If I had understood my situation, I could've set them free. It might have made the difference between leading a self determined existence and just going anaten attaching to another body.

I received a subjective reality that there are real beings tagging along sometimes.

On another occassion I had the more solid ridges of my body start to disperse. Like the arcs that solar prominences make on the sun's surface. Ken Urquhart had to go over body locations and date and locate individual incidents which were very old. So these individual viewpoints of dimension no bigger than cells got their traumas acked and spotted. I didn't call them BTs because I hadn't heard the term yet. But if they were left over bits of consciousness from old universes compressed it became clear to them that this was not their schtick . It was almost zen-like, where one recognizes himself as subject and object at the same time with this consciousness. Not my cognition but theirs. An 'un-creation' of veiwpoint occurred at that moment. Nobody went anywhere or blew. The viewpoints just discreated into some prime static or something.

I think some beings are ordained to animate the world of forms and have a soulness or astral matter or density. The intention is that they endure and these are probably 'creations' of other people, maybe even parts of them. And then there are those who are stuck by mistake or misconception. It might be that one category returns to a state of cosmic potential and the other returns to its full self determinism.

Fine posting above by Leon, Veda and Hats and then comes Hats quoted post which is just fascinating. To wit...

Fascinating post Hats, very illuminating! You have succeeded in putting into a few short paragraphs a tremendous summary of what went on with your own case and what very likely might be a valid model for cases in general. Everything you say here resonates very well with me! I am anxious to see how others react to this.
Lakey
 
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lkwdblds

Crusader
The Euclid analogy is Fantastic, perfectly on point!!!

One truly needs to seperate LRH from Scientology from the CofS. These are three distinctly different subjects.

Euclid "discovered" and formulated the basics of Geometry, but the subject of Geometry developed enormously after Euclid's death. The same with Hubbard. He wrote down and did a LOT of work on the subject of how to reverse the dwndling spiral that spiritual beings were on. He was not the firt person to do this nor was he the last. Though he was an important one.

THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH IS CLASSIC!! This was the point I was trying to convey to FoTi a couple of posts back

The name "Scientology" can, in my opinion, by applied to all efforts to free the spirit in the way that Hubbard set out to do, and also to all subjects that seek a full understanding of the mind and how beings got entrapped in it, etc. All such subjects are attempts at "knowing how to know" and so qualify as Scientology, in the broad sense.

Ken Ogger extended the fromtiers of Scientology. So did Captain Bill, so did Alan Walter and Dennis Stephens and so have many many others. John Mcmaster and others did a lot of work that Hubbard claimed was his own, when in fact it wasn't. The subject of Scientology is not exclusive to the Church of Scientology and by a long shot is not limited to the works of L Ron Hubbard. And factually, much of what Hubbard presented as being Scientology was actually a gross violation of basic Scientology principles.

So one really needs to understand what one is dealing with and one needs to carefully diffentiate between what is and what isn't Scientology.

FANTASTIC POST LEON. I don't see how anyone could challenge this in any way. It is pure truth.

Can you imagine a Euclid loyalist still 100% loyal to Euclid today, a person who would practice KEW (Keep Euclid Working) and write chits on those who did not follow standard Euclidean geometry today? The person would be a raving not job. The same would be true of FoTi's type of Hubbard Loyalist who practiced KSW in 2011 on all things which Hubbard deemed C of S policy or tech.

As time goes by and society changes, such a person becomes more and more out of step with the times and looks more and more ridiculous.

Their seems to be only a couple of exceptions to this rule, namely the major religious leaders of history such as Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Moses and Lao Tse. For some reason, their teachings are practiced century after century with little or no change. IMHO many of their teachings are timeless but some are not. What seems to happen is that the non timeless portions of their teachings begin to look nutty to secular people but are still followed as Gospel by people subscribing to their particular religious doctrine.

Some anamolies result from this. First their is the belief, even insistence, that the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Also, you see things such as Jews not riding in cars on the Sabbath and keeping separate plates for milk products and meat products as part of keeping kosher.

You see women walking around in berkas, forbidden to show their faces in Muslim countires, music not allowed in those countries and women denied education as well. You see people refusing medical treatment and insisting on relying on faith when it comes to healing. Last but not least and certainly the most serious and most detrimental to society of all this - the wars fought between religious followers. Muslims vs Christians, Muslims vs Jews, Christians persecuting Jews, Jews persecuting Palestinians, etc.

Anyway Leon, you made one hell of a post above!
Lakey
 
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RogerB

Crusader
One truly needs to seperate LRH from Scientology from the CofS. These are three distinctly different subjects.

Euclid "discovered" and formulated the basics of Geometry, but the subject of Geometry developed enormously after Euclid's death. The same with Hubbard. He wrote down and did a LOT of work on the subject of how to reverse the dwndling spiral that spiritual beings were on. He was not the firt person to do this nor was he the last. Though he was an important one.

The name "Scientology" can, in my opinion, by applied to all efforts to free the spirit in the way that Hubbard set out to do, and also to all subjects that seek a full understanding of the mind and how beings got entrapped in it, etc. All such subjects are attempts at "knowing how to know" and so qualify as Scientology, in the broad sense.

Ken Ogger extended the fromtiers of Scientology. So did Captain Bill, so did Alan Walter and Dennis Stephens and so have many many others. John Mcmaster and others did a lot of work that Hubbard claimed was his own, when in fact it wasn't. The subject of Scientology is not exclusive to the Church of Scientology and by a long shot is not limited to the works of L Ron Hubbard. And factually, much of what Hubbard presented as being Scientology was actually a gross violation of basic Scientology principles.

So one really needs to understand what one is dealing with and one needs to carefully diffentiate between what is and what isn't Scientology.

Yes, this is very good.

R
 

Terril park

Sponsor
For starters there has to be a WHO.

And, the WHO cannot be LRH.

Unless it's a plus-point eval. Then LRH is the WHO. But plus-point evals are almost never done.

Unless the WHO is LRH.

:thumbsup:


Another problem is that it was near impossible to discard a policy. Despite LRH earlier commenting sometimes old policies MUST be discarded.

Policies on disconnection and fair game should have been junked but
never really were.
 

RogerB

Crusader
Great. So Leon-ology is now part of Scientology.

Of course.

One last note: Alan Walter had enough integrity, and enough clarity of thought, to recognize that he was not a Scientologist, and his teachings were not Scientology.

Please don't make Alan Walter a Scientologist and his teachings Scientology. Please respect the man enough not to do that. OK?

Yes, Veda, as usual is on the ball here.

It would be wiser for the folks who are still pursuing the ideal of spiritual enlightenment to get over the idea of $scn is/was "so important." It really is a blip on the radar screen of a long, long history in the search for such answers by human-kind.

$scn appears to be given more importance in the context of that search than it deserves . . . as in phrases used by many on ESMB, as for example Leon here with "extended the frontiers of Scientology," (and I've been guilty of it too!) . . . simply because $cn was able to benefit from this modern civilization's communications facilities and, of course, it is current to our present lives.

But in the scheme of things, it is a blip and in no way ought be seen to be "foundational" to a lot of spiritual enlightenment endeavors that happens to have progressed since Hubbard did his thing.

Veda is correct regarding Alan W. Yes, Alan, like all of us "Ex-$cn" here, investigated $cn. But having found it to be corrupt, incomplete and in many areas grievously erroneous he divested himself from it. And it is a disservice and injustice to allege his work "stems from or is an extension of, etc.," $cn.

Alan was phenomenally well read and versed in a vast array of knowledge, and his pursuit and work in the arena of spiritual enlightenment was just one such subject.

RogerB
 

RogerB

Crusader
I've decided to give this little anecdote here . I remarked about this to Mark Baker a while back and he encouraged me to share. I never found the right lead in. I'm creating one here.

Back in 1981 I was getting Int handling again at Miami Org. I had a mess on my hands. I had masses blowing masses which had yet other things attached. I broke up something that was like a glue for the beings in my space. These did not resolve but woke in an anaten/druggy state. I left the Org on an auditing break not feeling too well. I strolled down Miracle Mile in Coral Gables browsing the shop windows. I passed other shoppers, some with babies in strollers, I noticed beings trying to shove off of me and into those infants and toddlers. I felt kind of a reverberating wooziness and sickness being connected to those trying to leave my space. I could tell that their first inclination having woken up and feeling that their stability had been badly shaken was to relocate someplace comfortable.

I bring this up because I could see these beings and feel their anxiety. Actual beings. Authentic people like thee and me. Not ridges, or 'bits' of others; not portions of myself. :no: These guys had had no cognition on who they really were or what goals of their own they might have. I was on lower levels and was not privvy to any confidential info.

All that these beings knew to do was what they had always done when the program of helping to run a 'life' was disturbed. I can't say that any of the folks successfully made their transfer. But the attempt was urgent for them. That mass that they had been attached to had gone and I wasn't really considered a host. They had been stuck to a somewhat druggy mass in the core of the body. Maybe it was a fluke that the split off left with some beings in shock. Experiencing the mood levels was not pleasant. I probably felt like the last time they were knocked out before they became their condition.
If I had understood my situation, I could've set them free. It might have made the difference between leading a self determined existence and just going anaten attaching to another body.

I received a subjective reality that there are real beings tagging along sometimes.

On another occassion I had the more solid ridges of my body start to disperse. Like the arcs that solar prominences make on the sun's surface. Ken Urquhart had to go over body locations and date and locate individual incidents which were very old. So these individual viewpoints of dimension no bigger than cells got their traumas acked and spotted. I didn't call them BTs because I hadn't heard the term yet. But if they were left over bits of consciousness from old universes compressed it became clear to them that this was not their schtick . It was almost zen-like, where one recognizes himself as subject and object at the same time with this consciousness. Not my cognition but theirs. An 'un-creation' of veiwpoint occurred at that moment. Nobody went anywhere or blew. The viewpoints just discreated into some prime static or something.

I think some beings are ordained to animate the world of forms and have a soulness or astral matter or density. The intention is that they endure and these are probably 'creations' of other people, maybe even parts of them. And then there are those who are stuck by mistake or misconception. It might be that one category returns to a state of cosmic potential and the other returns to its full self determinism.

Hats,

As usual, you are demonstrating wisdom and a very high level perception :yes:

What I'll do now is add a few points that might address some of the issues you raised.

Basically, one needs to find out who (and what) he/she is.

At a spiritual level, one can so perfectly duplicate another that you can become as one. There is both good and bad in that, as it depends on what is the condition of existence of the other Being that is being duplicated.

At the highest level of operation, one would be doing this at a co-empowering fully knowing level. And it is quite beautiful.

Of course, such a state as this can decline, and ridges of disharmony build up and eventually accrete to become mass.

It is to be noted that such disharmonious relationships and "masses" get "solved" along the way during our playing of the game. And it is not uncommon for such solutions to downgrade into wars between Beings, and casualties such as being made unconscious or feeling "dead" occur.

Hence the phenomena of spiritual Beings (BTs) "stuck to, in" or appearing as though masses and such occur.

In this context, it is easy to see explanations for what you cite in your post.

The answer to it all is to take responsibility for all our connections, and to apply positive processes to our relationships and help the Beings we are connected to, to recover their true Beingness, awareness and to honor their individual truths. Hubbard's method of dealing with this issue is tragically evil and wrong.

The other side of the coin is that there are some Beings about "out there" who are incorrigibly operating from the "dark side." (We actually see/have seen it here on ESMB). The answer there is to get on with your own wanted positives and to not get conned into playing their game. . . . though it often happens we need to undo having erroneously gotten conned in the past so we can get free from the hung up effects of such old events. :yes:

Alan W developed a series of R/Ds that handle all this.

I will, at another time, since it came up here, write on the subject of "duplication." It is a bit of a bitch at time :yes:

RogerB
 

MattD

Patron with Honors
It may be that you have a misunderstanding re. PMs. They are not made public. They are private. I received and acknowledged your PM, yet you (In the top post), then, made it public. I'd post my PM response to you, but that would break the rule.

Since you may be confused, an since rules seems quite important to you, PMs, once made privately are not, then, made public. That's a rule. And now you know. :)

I've no further interest in communicating with you, at this time. Nor am I much interested in posting to this thread in the foreseeable future. So, I don't think you need to be too concerned.

What I had communicated to you in private, was private, until you posted the above. It was intentionally private as I didn't want to start something with you and add to the drama of this board.

But since we are now openly discussing what was supposed to have been a private communication, I ask you to reread your private response to me and consider my public response to you in that light.

Matt
 

MattD

Patron with Honors
I've decided to give this little anecdote here . I remarked about this to Mark Baker a while back and he encouraged me to share. I never found the right lead in. I'm creating one here.

Back in 1981 I was getting Int handling again at Miami Org. I had a mess on my hands. I had masses blowing masses which had yet other things attached. I broke up something that was like a glue for the beings in my space. These did not resolve but woke in an anaten/druggy state. I left the Org on an auditing break not feeling too well. I strolled down Miracle Mile in Coral Gables browsing the shop windows. I passed other shoppers, some with babies in strollers, I noticed beings trying to shove off of me and into those infants and toddlers. I felt kind of a reverberating wooziness and sickness being connected to those trying to leave my space. I could tell that their first inclination having woken up and feeling that their stability had been badly shaken was to relocate someplace comfortable.

I bring this up because I could see these beings and feel their anxiety. Actual beings. Authentic people like thee and me. Not ridges, or 'bits' of others; not portions of myself. :no: These guys had had no cognition on who they really were or what goals of their own they might have. I was on lower levels and was not privvy to any confidential info.

All that these beings knew to do was what they had always done when the program of helping to run a 'life' was disturbed. I can't say that any of the folks successfully made their transfer. But the attempt was urgent for them. That mass that they had been attached to had gone and I wasn't really considered a host. They had been stuck to a somewhat druggy mass in the core of the body. Maybe it was a fluke that the split off left with some beings in shock. Experiencing the mood levels was not pleasant. I probably felt like the last time they were knocked out before they became their condition.
If I had understood my situation, I could've set them free. It might have made the difference between leading a self determined existence and just going anaten attaching to another body.

I received a subjective reality that there are real beings tagging along sometimes.

On another occassion I had the more solid ridges of my body start to disperse. Like the arcs that solar prominences make on the sun's surface. Ken Urquhart had to go over body locations and date and locate individual incidents which were very old. So these individual viewpoints of dimension no bigger than cells got their traumas acked and spotted. I didn't call them BTs because I hadn't heard the term yet. But if they were left over bits of consciousness from old universes compressed it became clear to them that this was not their schtick . It was almost zen-like, where one recognizes himself as subject and object at the same time with this consciousness. Not my cognition but theirs. An 'un-creation' of veiwpoint occurred at that moment. Nobody went anywhere or blew. The viewpoints just discreated into some prime static or something.

I think some beings are ordained to animate the world of forms and have a soulness or astral matter or density. The intention is that they endure and these are probably 'creations' of other people, maybe even parts of them. And then there are those who are stuck by mistake or misconception. It might be that one category returns to a state of cosmic potential and the other returns to its full self determinism.

What a horrible situation!, left in that state after a session. It seems you got quite a handle on it though eventually with some nice epiphanies.

I think your last paragraph is a major insight into our shared universe.

:)

Matt
 

Veda

Sponsor
What I had communicated to you in private, was private, until you posted the above. It was intentionally private as I didn't want to start something with you and add to the drama of this board.

But since we are now openly discussing what was supposed to have been a private communication, I ask you to reread your private response to me and consider my public response to you in that light.

Matt

Huh?

After I received and acknowledged your PM to me (with another PM), you then posted the exact same PM (your PM), word per word, on ESMB. At that point that PM was no longer private.

I really don't care, but please don't recite rules to me when you break those rules yourself - For example, in your referring to Mate as a "shill for implanters," etc.

Am I understood? I hope so.
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Person to Person & Person's Persona

Okay, Lakey if you and Carmelo say it's “Yours” then it's all “Yours” as far as I'm concerned…do as thou wilt.:D

But, I’m gonna have my say and then I’ll be done with it—I think I might well have earned the right on Your thread to do that. Hope you had that breath of fresh air and vino before your read this ‘cause you told me straight…now I’m gonna tell you straight.

I can’t speak for other folks but, I have Dialogued with you quite a considerable bit, in my estimation. I post on what interests me, what and where I feel that I can make a contribution to this Moveable Feast and, sometimes, just for the fun of it. The periods where I don’t comment on your posts are when they either don’t “ring my chime” or I just feel it’s best to keep my mouth shut, quietly amused while you strut your Lakey alter-ego. Folks don’t comment on my posts all the time and that don’t bother me none at all. Although there was a time in my life that I had a somewhat considerable regional “Name”, “Reputation” and “Image” in some strata’s, I have no desire to be a Persona. The times in my life that I’ve tried to be “somebody”, or appear as “something”, or put up a “front” rendered me nearsighted, miserable and short of sleep. Some folks are real good at the Persona thing and those folks I have no problem with, ‘cause I appreciate and like to watch a good Bulldogger or Rodeo Clown as much as the next person.

As is well established at this point, I’m not all that sophisticated, “Tech” savvy, computer literate or “Hep”. Because of that, I guess I don’t “get” the full panoply of your “Shtick” and am unable to appreciate its’ full value.

You see, having read your entire thread and been a passive, then active, participant for 18 months or so, I kinda had a different view of what was going on here. I appreciate you finally clueing me in. I thought that what happened was a very smart and forthright guy, with a terrific memory and unique "Take" had opened his heart about his life in Scn and a whole bunch of folks read it, appreciated it and Dialogued with him about. Then, one thing led to another, and a “Big Conversation” got started ‘cause of the quality of folks that guy had attracted. Then a couple of real fun folks that were pretty smart themselves wanted to help the smart guy water and tend to the “Garden” that was “Organically” growing.

The quality, flavor and bounty of the stuff that was being produced in the Garden grew and some real expert Horticulturists showed up and, along with folks like me that can handle a hoe, pull a few weeds here and there and help pick the crop, the Garden has been growing through a series of phases of plant, grow, harvest, prepare to plant again and then another crop cycle plays itself out. Fool that I am, I thought the reason your thread was read so much was because it was a unique marvel of “Continual Spontaneous Self Ordered Criticality” of human thought, expression, sharing, laughter, etc…in short, Life doing its’ thing; Living.

From where I’m sittin’ it appears to me that, by far, the bulk of the hits that have driven your thread over the last 8 or 9 months I’ve been here are the Guest Lurkers. It’s my opinion that a big chunk of them are not reading along day-to-day on the current happenings here and, even if they are, they're picking their way around and through the immense resource that folks have placed on your thread. I post on your thread because of who is here, how they are, the constant collaborative fountain of Universe Class Stuff they put up, what that augers within me and, honestly, how wonderfully well I have been treated here. I post for my friends, I post for whomever else may have an interest and cares to read my stuff and—this is huge for me—I post for the Guest Lurkers…they’re the folks, more than anyone else…that need me to share with them what I saw and how I now see “It” when I was a face in the crowd. I’ve realized that I, in turn, need to share with them. After all, just like Scn and the SO, I was one them once.

I’m sorry you were attacked. I’ve been attacked on ESMB, too. One time, in particular, was pretty damn clever and vicious, and was done on the Karen thread. I had tried to call for “Peace”, admitting that I had inadvertently gotten roped into helping to instigate a couple of folks to shred her thread. I made what I thought was a very plain and folksy post, apologized for what I had done and said I would not post on the thread again until Karen did…some folks, icluding Zinj and Alanzo, liked and agreed with my post and took the same “not until Karen returns” oath. I got viciously and snidely berated for that post and told, literally, to “Fuck Off” by another Member. I stuck to my guns and have never answered that post and never comment on anything I might come across that Member puts up.

People can tell me to “Fuck Off” all they wish on the internet…it goes with the new territory of putting up a false front or adopting a “Cyber Personality” so that you can continue to be a Child or “Play Act” or publicly vent your spleen all over yourself. That’s not my world and never will be. I’m not on Facebook or any of that stuff of that ilk and have no interest in doing so. The only place I ever have posted on the internet is on ESMB. In the real world that I live in the folks I associate with would never tell me to “Fuck Off” and folks around these parts would not say it to me, face to Face, unless they were drunk, real foolish or crazy—that’s not brag, that’s just fact.

I’m not smart enough to “play cards” (got a short-carded deck, anyway) or calculate a strategy on how, when or what way to “stir a pot”. But, like you said, it’s your thread and you’re the only one holdin’ the “Race Card”. So, you go on doin’ what you feel gotta do and I’ll go on doin’ what I feel I gotta do. I wouldn’t have brought all this up, nor taken the time to put down my heartfelt thoughts if I didn’t respect you, admire you for what you started and care about you, personally—as opposed to the “Lakey Persona”.

If you wish, with my compliments, I yield the “Last Word” to you, my friend.:coolwink:

Peace Bro,:yes:

Face:)

PS: At the risk of being publicly rude, if you ever get around to reading the Email I sent you a week or so ago, it might help you "get my drift".
 
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Yes, Veda, as usual is on the ball here.

It would be wiser for the folks who are still pursuing the ideal of spiritual enlightenment to get over the idea of $scn is/was "so important." It really is a blip on the radar screen of a long, long history in the search for such answers by human-kind.

$scn appears to be given more importance in the context of that search than it deserves . . . as in phrases used by many on ESMB, as for example Leon here with "extended the frontiers of Scientology," (and I've been guilty of it too!) . . . simply because $cn was able to benefit from this modern civilization's communications facilities and, of course, it is current to our present lives.

But in the scheme of things, it is a blip and in no way ought be seen to be "foundational" to a lot of spiritual enlightenment endeavors that happens to have progressed since Hubbard did his thing.

Veda is correct regarding Alan W. Yes, Alan, like all of us "Ex-$cn" here, investigated $cn. But having found it to be corrupt, incomplete and in many areas grievously erroneous he divested himself from it. And it is a disservice and injustice to allege his work "stems from or is an extension of, etc.," $cn.

Alan was phenomenally well read and versed in a vast array of knowledge, and his pursuit and work in the arena of spiritual enlightenment was just one such subject.

RogerB

THIS!^^^^^
 
My attention has been on this for three days now. It is from the thread Stably Exterior With Full Perception. Veda gave a link as always and I traced it down. This is something Alan Walter said which caught my attention. Where has he ever discussed such views before??? He is talking about darkside entities.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=12580&postcount=122

Have'nt you ever lost an ability?

What if - due to your being in league with the darkside, exterior was tantamount to being taken over by those forces?

What promises did he give back in the 1940's to become the "most powerful being in the universe?"

Did he betray those promises?

What if your universe was collapsed and you were locked in mortal combat with those forces?

I have gone through every line of the tech - there are dozens of portals that allow for "darkside entities" to take one over.

The most common being Sec Checks........have you ever gotten off a harmful act of doing something you did not want to do - if so it was possibly not you doing it - you most likely were fighting it being done - the odds are you were not in control.

Now you get the harmful act off - you feel remorse, blame self, shame, etc, not from doing the act but from not preventing the act from being done - meanwhile the true instigator of the act is missed. Thus that being or group gets empowered and you get by-passed - now you are really prone to commiting more harmful acts - that you are fighting to stop - it is called addiction.

You feel utterly degraded - that is what happened to most who did not spot who or what did what - you feel utterly weak in that area.

Exterior would be all that was needed to trigger an attack - you have only recently found the positive alignment with outside entities. What was your think and responses prior to that?

Alan
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if you are good at watching people, you can see the switch from controlling being to another controlling being. in the blink of an eye.
 
regarding the fireworks on this thread.

someone, who doesn't need to be named, is getting auditing.


in the past I gave a guy auditing once, and as he progressed up the tone scale he became a bastard for a couple of weeks, after more auditing he became very OK

I have had auditing in a distant city, returned home to be sniping at my wife for a couple of weeks

auditing unsuppresses things. If you haven't really had your ruds cleaned for some time, you can go through a stage where, like a lightening rod, all upsets find you.

This was written up in DMSMH in regard to people coming up the tone scale. This phenomena has been observed for 60 years.

What's happening is actually a good indicator.

Everybody take a lude.
 
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