The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[Ted]

Ranting a bit...

Roger, you have a lot more perseverance than I.

Years ago on a.c.t. Alan posted some fantabulous rundowns and advices. I seriously doubt anyone jumped on the offerings to run the stuff. The Cult De- oppression Rundown was a major undertaking and piece of work. I could see that Alan had covered all the bases. But did anyone do the rundown? Never heard back on that from anyone else on a.c.t.

It must have been frustrating for Alan.

It takes time to bang out a thoughtful, considerate, respectful, technically workable post. Nary a response used to give me a "WTF?!" My patience vanished.

Some years back my pc and I put together a Florida FZ Conference. (Even though I am not a FZer I do not mind hanging a bit with that crowd.) She spoke with many people who seemed to show interest. Only a handful showed up. What was the drawing card? The pc had been raving that I was the best auditor in the world. I think the conference was free, held at our expense at a local motel. During the weekend I offered metered interviews. I offered to set up co-audits. I offered to train and C/S--all for free. In the end, my pc and I were left to ourselves. Hence my short, usually to-the-point posts. Call me Mr. No-Sympathy. I am the cowboy who is tired of leading thirsty horses who will not drink the water.

So when it comes to banging out a lengthy post, the type of which you are doing, I applaud you. You have far more generosity and perseverance than I.

Years ago, on a.c.t., Alan remarked that all that was hoped for with the old GPM processing could be attained with an alternation of Clean Slate Drill and SPIEPER. Nothing could be more simple. Any takers? I thought not.

Admittedly, it is far more fun, far more energizing, and potentially far more rewarding to co-process in an environment were lots of co-processing is occurring. So if anyone is starting up from scratch, you do have my sympathies on that.

Probably the key thing that people don't get when it comes to processing has much to do with the way Hubbard sold it: He sold Standard Tech. He sold processes and Rundowns, and, often, pie-in-the-sky results. That's not to say some of us did not taste of the pie, but it was not a "standard" pie, for one and all. Hubbard chewed people up, used them, abused them, and when they had nothing left to offer, he spit them out. You can't sell your people under those circumstances because they might just be here today and gone tomorrow. Best stick with selling process and One's Own Greatness, Mankind's Best Friend, FLAG The Friendliest Place On Earth, The Mecca of Technical Perfection--and all that splendid horse shit.

To my way of thinking, processes and rundowns are just a structure around which auditor and pc might exercise their communication contract, around which pie in the sky might be tasted, around which the pc might discover and attain own goals and purposes.

So the important thing here is not process or rundown; how many of us have had a sour one of those things? The important thing is the relationship between auditor and pc. Either you feel a sense of trust in your auditor or not. You can communicate to and with your auditor, or not. In the HGC, you pretty much get the auditor you are assigned, and the auditor gets the pc's that are sent to him/her--pretty much. Why? It's the organizational structure. It's the efficiency. It's removing emotion from the equation. If you are trying to get the stats up you don't want to hear any complaining from the people about who wants whom for an auditor or pc.

Now that most of us are no longer associated with the church and hubbard's methods, there is a choice. And in that choice you will find out if you trust and can communicate with your auditor. And your auditor, if he is honest, will cut you loose if he feels he cannot communicate and help you.



And I really think that Clean Slate and SPIEPER is super simple and will take you far--if processing is your thing.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Thank you Ted, for sharing your perspectives on auditing. I would agree with you that this applies to all methods and forms of useful counseling modalities: "To my way of thinking, processes and rundowns are just a structure around which auditor and pc might exercise their communication contract, around which pie in the sky might be tasted, around which the pc might discover and attain own goals and purposes."

And thanks for posting that link. Ruth Minshull's writings are one of the few good, useful and enjoyable things that I took away from my study of Scientology.

All humans, if they are healthy, can communicate with each other well. This includes the kinds of perceptions that some consider "extra" sensory.

Jachssy, I used to have that book in my library...not sure if I still do or not, but I'll look for you. If it's not online, and I still have it, I can write up a precis for you. Just give me a little time.

 

[FoTi]

Roger, you have a lot more perseverance than I.

Years ago on a.c.t. Alan posted some fantabulous rundowns and advices. I seriously doubt anyone jumped on the offerings to run the stuff. The Cult De- oppression Rundown was a major undertaking and piece of work. I could see that Alan had covered all the bases. But did anyone do the rundown? Never heard back on that from anyone else on a.c.t.

It must have been frustrating for Alan.

It takes time to bang out a thoughtful, considerate, respectful, technically workable post. Nary a response used to give me a "WTF?!" My patience vanished.

Some years back my pc and I put together a Florida FZ Conference. (Even though I am not a FZer I do not mind hanging a bit with that crowd.) She spoke with many people who seemed to show interest. Only a handful showed up. What was the drawing card? The pc had been raving that I was the best auditor in the world. I think the conference was free, held at our expense at a local motel. During the weekend I offered metered interviews. I offered to set up co-audits. I offered to train and C/S--all for free. In the end, my pc and I were left to ourselves. Hence my short, usually to-the-point posts. Call me Mr. No-Sympathy. I am the cowboy who is tired of leading thirsty horses who will not drink the water.

So when it comes to banging out a lengthy post, the type of which you are doing, I applaud you. You have far more generosity and perseverance than I.

Years ago, on a.c.t., Alan remarked that all that was hoped for with the old GPM processing could be attained with an alternation of Clean Slate Drill and SPIEPER. Nothing could be more simple. Any takers? I thought not.

Admittedly, it is far more fun, far more energizing, and potentially far more rewarding to co-process in an environment were lots of co-processing is occurring. So if anyone is starting up from scratch, you do have my sympathies on that.

Probably the key thing that people don't get when it comes to processing has much to do with the way Hubbard sold it: He sold Standard Tech. He sold processes and Rundowns, and, often, pie-in-the-sky results. That's not to say some of us did not taste of the pie, but it was not a "standard" pie, for one and all. Hubbard chewed people up, used them, abused them, and when they had nothing left to offer, he spit them out. You can't sell your people under those circumstances because they might just be here today and gone tomorrow. Best stick with selling process and One's Own Greatness, Mankind's Best Friend, FLAG The Friendliest Place On Earth, The Mecca of Technical Perfection--and all that splendid horse shit.

To my way of thinking, processes and rundowns are just a structure around which auditor and pc might exercise their communication contract, around which pie in the sky might be tasted, around which the pc might discover and attain own goals and purposes.

So the important thing here is not process or rundown; how many of us have had a sour one of those things? The important thing is the relationship between auditor and pc. Either you feel a sense of trust in your auditor or not. You can communicate to and with your auditor, or not. In the HGC, you pretty much get the auditor you are assigned, and the auditor gets the pc's that are sent to him/her--pretty much. Why? It's the organizational structure. It's the efficiency. It's removing emotion from the equation. If you are trying to get the stats up you don't want to hear any complaining from the people about who wants whom for an auditor or pc.

Now that most of us are no longer associated with the church and hubbard's methods, there is a choice. And in that choice you will find out if you trust and can communicate with your auditor. And your auditor, if he is honest, will cut you loose if he feels he cannot communicate and help you.



And I really think that Clean Slate and SPIEPER is super simple and will take you far--if processing is your thing.

I know what Clean Slate is....I forgot what SPIEPER is....What is it?

 

[Ted]

I know what Clean Slate is....I forgot what SPIEPER is....What is it?

Knowledgism's objective process.

 

[Ted]

When to Use and Not to Use Experts

Here's an interesting talk by Noreena Hertz on when to use and when not to use experts. 21:28 minutes in length. If you would invest the time I think it might help some of you separate out from that self-proclaimed expert, L. Ron Hubbard. If you have been hammered with your 15th+ starrate checkout of "Keeping Scientology Working" and "Tech Degrades," I think you could use some relief.

Interestingly enough, this video, which I thought was quite good, has garnered a good deal more thumbs down than thumbs up in youtube's polling. I suspect it disagrees with all the self-proclaimed and honored experts among us all. I also think the Withhold of Vital Information is another one of those Hubbard observations that provoke a keener awareness of ourselves and our fellow man. And these experts may well feel a bit threatened by someone telling us to question authority--for what is an expert but an authority. As Hubbard has stated, the real authority is the person who can do the job.

You see, I don't totally hate the old fart. His observations are often astute. His opinions worthy of consideration. It's his programs and handlings that I often find objectionable because they contain his hidden self-interests.

Here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNTk29zXl4A

 

[FoTi]

Knowledgism's objective process.

Oh.....okay. Thanks.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Roger, you have a lot more perseverance than I.

Years ago on a.c.t. Alan posted some fantabulous rundowns and advices. I seriously doubt anyone jumped on the offerings to run the stuff. The Cult De- oppression Rundown was a major undertaking and piece of work. I could see that Alan had covered all the bases. But did anyone do the rundown? Never heard back on that from anyone else on a.c.t.

It must have been frustrating for Alan.

It takes time to bang out a thoughtful, considerate, respectful, technically workable post. Nary a response used to give me a "WTF?!" My patience vanished.

Some years back my pc and I put together a Florida FZ Conference. (Even though I am not a FZer I do not mind hanging a bit with that crowd.) She spoke with many people who seemed to show interest. Only a handful showed up. What was the drawing card? The pc had been raving that I was the best auditor in the world. I think the conference was free, held at our expense at a local motel. During the weekend I offered metered interviews. I offered to set up co-audits. I offered to train and C/S--all for free. In the end, my pc and I were left to ourselves. Hence my short, usually to-the-point posts. Call me Mr. No-Sympathy. I am the cowboy who is tired of leading thirsty horses who will not drink the water.

So when it comes to banging out a lengthy post, the type of which you are doing, I applaud you. You have far more generosity and perseverance than I.

Years ago, on a.c.t., Alan remarked that all that was hoped for with the old GPM processing could be attained with an alternation of Clean Slate Drill and SPIEPER. Nothing could be more simple. Any takers? I thought not.

Admittedly, it is far more fun, far more energizing, and potentially far more rewarding to co-process in an environment were lots of co-processing is occurring. So if anyone is starting up from scratch, you do have my sympathies on that.

Probably the key thing that people don't get when it comes to processing has much to do with the way Hubbard sold it: He sold Standard Tech. He sold processes and Rundowns, and, often, pie-in-the-sky results. That's not to say some of us did not taste of the pie, but it was not a "standard" pie, for one and all. Hubbard chewed people up, used them, abused them, and when they had nothing left to offer, he spit them out. You can't sell your people under those circumstances because they might just be here today and gone tomorrow. Best stick with selling process and One's Own Greatness, Mankind's Best Friend, FLAG The Friendliest Place On Earth, The Mecca of Technical Perfection--and all that splendid horse shit.

To my way of thinking, processes and rundowns are just a structure around which auditor and pc might exercise their communication contract, around which pie in the sky might be tasted, around which the pc might discover and attain own goals and purposes.

So the important thing here is not process or rundown; how many of us have had a sour one of those things? The important thing is the relationship between auditor and pc. Either you feel a sense of trust in your auditor or not. You can communicate to and with your auditor, or not. In the HGC, you pretty much get the auditor you are assigned, and the auditor gets the pc's that are sent to him/her--pretty much. Why? It's the organizational structure. It's the efficiency. It's removing emotion from the equation. If you are trying to get the stats up you don't want to hear any complaining from the people about who wants whom for an auditor or pc.

Now that most of us are no longer associated with the church and hubbard's methods, there is a choice. And in that choice you will find out if you trust and can communicate with your auditor. And your auditor, if he is honest, will cut you loose if he feels he cannot communicate and help you.



And I really think that Clean Slate and SPIEPER is super simple and will take you far--if processing is your thing.

Well this post misses a withhold. I think it was coincidence (not random, just the way fate plays me), but I read Roger's post, and within 12 hours was processing a PC on that very routine by phone. I don't generally talk about who, nor what I run, but because Ted brings this up, I'll dance around it.

I know the process Roger posted. I have it both on paper and digital. The fact that he posted it was perfectly timed for me. I had scheduled a PC last night, and that procedure was exactly what the doctor (C/S - me) ordered. I didn't even have to think or look inside my vast data bank of a mind (joke). It was right there to be used. I used it. Very nicely, I might add. I added "Hellos and OKs" after I ran the telepathic projection / fusion process(s). It was worth every ounce of effort and emotion Roger put into the post. Thank you Roger for reminding me of a basic staple.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Oh, yes, the takeaway: There is telepathic communication. There is no substitute for basic auditing skill and auditor perception.
:

you need to retread the basics and the GAT program until you can be a real auditor.

 

[FoTi]

Here's an interesting talk by Noreena Hertz on when to use and when not to use experts. 21:28 minutes in length. If you would invest the time I think it might help some of you separate out from that self-proclaimed expert, L. Ron Hubbard. If you have been hammered with your 15th+ starrate checkout of "Keeping Scientology Working" and "Tech Degrades," I think you could use some relief.

Interestingly enough, this video, which I thought was quite good, has garnered a good deal more thumbs down than thumbs up in youtube's polling. I suspect it disagrees with all the self-proclaimed and honored experts among us all. I also think the Withhold of Vital Information is another one of those Hubbard observations that provoke a keener awareness of ourselves and our fellow man. And these experts may well feel a bit threatened by someone telling us to question authority--for what is an expert but an authority. As Hubbard has stated, the real authority is the person who can do the job.

You see, I don't totally hate the old fart. His observations are often astute. His opinions worthy of consideration. It's his programs and handlings that I often find objectionable because they contain his hidden self-interests.

Here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNTk29zXl4A

That was a good talk, Ted. Thanks.

Of course, a lot of the "experts" won't like this and the powers that be would surely want others not to see this.

 

[FoTi]

Well this post misses a withhold. I think it was coincidence (not random, just the way fate plays me), but I read Roger's post, and within 12 hours was processing a PC on that very routine by phone. I don't generally talk about who, nor what I run, but because Ted brings this up, I'll dance around it.

I know the process Roger posted. I have it both on paper and digital. The fact that he posted it was perfectly timed for me. I had scheduled a PC last night, and that procedure was exactly what the doctor (C/S - me) ordered. I didn't even have to think or look inside my vast data bank of a mind (joke). It was right there to be used. I used it. Very nicely, I might add. I added "Hellos and OKs" after I ran the telepathic projection / fusion process(s). It was worth every ounce of effort and emotion Roger put into the post. Thank you Roger for reminding me of a basic staple.

Which process that Roger posted are you referring to?

 

[Jachs]

Roger, you have a lot more perseverance than I.

Years ago on a.c.t. Alan posted some fantabulous rundowns and advices. I seriously doubt anyone jumped on the offerings to run the stuff. The Cult De- oppression Rundown was a major undertaking and piece of work. I could see that Alan had covered all the bases. But did anyone do the rundown? Never heard back on that from anyone else on a.c.t.

It must have been frustrating for Alan.

It takes time to bang out a thoughtful, considerate, respectful, technically workable post. Nary a response used to give me a "WTF?!" My patience vanished.

Some years back my pc and I put together a Florida FZ Conference. (Even though I am not a FZer I do not mind hanging a bit with that crowd.) She spoke with many people who seemed to show interest. Only a handful showed up. What was the drawing card? The pc had been raving that I was the best auditor in the world. I think the conference was free, held at our expense at a local motel. During the weekend I offered metered interviews. I offered to set up co-audits. I offered to train and C/S--all for free. In the end, my pc and I were left to ourselves. Hence my short, usually to-the-point posts. Call me Mr. No-Sympathy. I am the cowboy who is tired of leading thirsty horses who will not drink the water.

So when it comes to banging out a lengthy post, the type of which you are doing, I applaud you. You have far more generosity and perseverance than I.

Years ago, on a.c.t., Alan remarked that all that was hoped for with the old GPM processing could be attained with an alternation of Clean Slate Drill and SPIEPER. Nothing could be more simple. Any takers? I thought not.

Admittedly, it is far more fun, far more energizing, and potentially far more rewarding to co-process in an environment were lots of co-processing is occurring. So if anyone is starting up from scratch, you do have my sympathies on that.

Probably the key thing that people don't get when it comes to processing has much to do with the way Hubbard sold it: He sold Standard Tech. He sold processes and Rundowns, and, often, pie-in-the-sky results. That's not to say some of us did not taste of the pie, but it was not a "standard" pie, for one and all. Hubbard chewed people up, used them, abused them, and when they had nothing left to offer, he spit them out. You can't sell your people under those circumstances because they might just be here today and gone tomorrow. Best stick with selling process and One's Own Greatness, Mankind's Best Friend, FLAG The Friendliest Place On Earth, The Mecca of Technical Perfection--and all that splendid horse shit.

To my way of thinking, processes and rundowns are just a structure around which auditor and pc might exercise their communication contract, around which pie in the sky might be tasted, around which the pc might discover and attain own goals and purposes.

So the important thing here is not process or rundown; how many of us have had a sour one of those things? The important thing is the relationship between auditor and pc. Either you feel a sense of trust in your auditor or not. You can communicate to and with your auditor, or not. In the HGC, you pretty much get the auditor you are assigned, and the auditor gets the pc's that are sent to him/her--pretty much. Why? It's the organizational structure. It's the efficiency. It's removing emotion from the equation. If you are trying to get the stats up you don't want to hear any complaining from the people about who wants whom for an auditor or pc.

Now that most of us are no longer associated with the church and hubbard's methods, there is a choice. And in that choice you will find out if you trust and can communicate with your auditor. And your auditor, if he is honest, will cut you loose if he feels he cannot communicate and help you.



And I really think that Clean Slate and SPIEPER is super simple and will take you far--if processing is your thing.

Hi Ted.
Really enjoyed your post thanks.
Could you tell me these processes of Alans you mention,
where are they to be found?
and act is that a news group found it alt.clearing.technology

Jach

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Which process that Roger posted are you referring to?

This:

AGREEMENT & FALSE REALITIES TELEPATHICALLY PROJECTED IMAGERY
HANDLING PROCESS

1. List all people or entities who are in agreement with your client’s involuntary replications by asking:
Who is in agreement with (involuntary replication)?
Take the first manifesting who and do steps 2 then 3 if the client is victim to the who , or do steps 3 and then 2 if the client dominated the who.
2. Ask: What telepathically projected images does (who) have fused on you?
Get the fused, telepathically projected image named.
a) What quantity of life-force particles did (who) use?
b) Who else went into or did (who) get into agreement with the projected image of (projected image)?
c) What quantity of life-force particles were tied up or trapped in those agreements?
d) What were the consequences of those agreements?
Repeat over and over to get all consequences.
e) Did the projected image of (projected image) become an actual reality?
f) Describe the reality.
g) What have been or are the consequences of the projected image of (projected image)?
h) From exactly where has (who) sourced that image? Get exactly where.
i) From exactly when has (who) sourced that image? Get exactly when.
j) Return the image to its source.

3. Ask: What telepathically projected image have you fused onto (who)?
Get the fused, telepathically projected image named.
a) What quantity of life-force particles did you use on (who)?
b) Who else went into or did you get into agreement with your projected image of (projected image)?
Get all the whos.
c) What quantity of life-force particles were tied up or trapped in those agreements?
d) What were the consequences of those agreements?
Repeat over and over to get all the agreements (Boz ?consequences?).
e) Did your projected image of (projected image) become an actual reality?
f) Describe the reality.
g) What have been or are the consequences of your projected image of (projected image)?
h) From exactly where have you sourced that image? Get exactly where.
i) From exactly when have you sourced that image? Get exactly when.
j. Take back that image.

Repeat Steps 2 and 3 until all fused images with the who have been handled, then
Repeat Steps 1, 2 and 3 over and over until all present time telepathically projected images vanish and the client has cause indicators.
___________________________________
Lost the formatting, but for those who wish to use it, you can reformat it

Rog

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Here is a link to Bernard Madoff's first post conviction interview:

http://robertrosso.wordpress.com/

it is by a fellow convict.

This is his text:


LATEST POSTS
One on one with Bernie Madoff

Posted: February 28, 2011 by ROBERT ROSSO

We were sitting in front of the television watching the CBS evening news when Katie Couric reported that Bernard Madoff had pled guilty to multiple felony related to what was being called the “largest ponzi scheme in U.S. history.” I turned to my friends Carmine Persico and Daniel “Cosy” Castelli and said, ” That guy is coming here. What better place in the BOP is there to house a high profile inmate like Madoff other than right here in Butner?”

“He aint coming here,” said Cosy, always the argumentative one. “The guy’s from New York. He’ll end up going to Ottisville.”

“No, they won’t send him to Ottisville,” Carmine correctly pointed out.”There’s too many guys there.” “Guys”, as in members of organized crime, also known in the world of media hype as members of the “mafia.” And it’s safe to say that prison officials thought it wouldn’t be a good idea to house Bernard Madoff in an institution that is predominately controlled by wiseguys. After all, it wouldn’t be beyond the realm of possibility for a disgruntled victim of Madoff’s ponzi scheme to reach out to the mob and have Bernie wacked in Ottisville. But in FCI Butner,a prison well-known for it’s psychology services and college campus feel, that would never happen.

And as I suspected, FCI Butner is exactly where they sent him.

I was in the law library working on a prison story for gorillaconvict.com when an inmate named Abdul Rasheed Muhammad said, “Well I’ll be God damn. There goes that ponzi scheme motherfucker now.” I looked up from my type writer and sure enough, coming back from the laundry with fresh clothing in one hand and a bed roll in the other was Bernie Madoff. Because of local media reports, we were all aware that he was coming, but to actually look out the window and see him walking by was really a trip. And to top it off, he was smiling.

“Hey Muhammad,” I said. “Have you ever seen a new fish walk into prison smiling?”

“Hell no,” he said. “And if the feds knocked me off for 65 billion dollars you wouldn’t see my black ass smiling, I’d be in tears.”

When I returned to my cell about an hour later, my cell-mate Derrick Slusser was quick to point out that he was one of the first people to talk to Bernie Madoff.” I spent about 20 minutes in the laundry with him,” Slusser said. “And man, I don’t know how else to explain it except to say that the he’s a normal guy. I mean, he acts just like one of us.”

And later that evening, when I went out to the recreation yard and met Bernie for the very first time, I realized that Slusser was exactly right: Bernie was normal. He didn’t act like some kind of upitty, nose-in-the-air rich guy. He was very friendly, down to earth kind of guy.

Unlike most conversations in prison, however, the conversations that I would eventually have with Bernie were anything but normal. In a world in which most talk revolves around bitches and wo’s, drugs, guns, violence, crime, trailorpark trash, gangs, prison politics, rap, and a bunch of other nonsense, it’s nice to talk to someone about things like the Carry Trade, credit- default swaps, the housing bubble, our struggling economy and politics. Furthermore, he told some great stories and had some juciy tid-bits of gossip about a few famous people as well. My personal favorite story was about the time when Bernie and one of his billionaire friends was sitting in a restaurant on the French Riviera arguing over who was going to pay the bill – a $200 tab!! The thought of two cheap billionaires – both of whom were vacationing on their multi-million dollar yachts – arguing over such a petty amount of cash just makes me laugh. And then there’s Katie Couric. According to Bernie, shortly after the news anchors husband died of cancer she began to aggressively pursue a date with his son Mark. “She was borderline stalking him,” he said. “And quite frankly, Mark thought she was too old and didn’t find her very attractive.”

But perhaps the most telling conversation that I had with Bernie took place a few months ago when he, Carmine, and I were outside sitting near the bacci ball court. Knowing that he had recently sat down with several bankruptcy trustee’s in order to help recover assets for his victims, I asked him if his attorney’s planned on filing an appeal based on his assistance. “The amount of money they recover is irrelevant and has no bearing on my conviction or sentence,” Bernie said. ” Besides, hypothetically speaking, let’s assume I got my sentence to reduced to just 10 years imprisonment. What would I do when I get out? I would be too old to start over, and I couldn’t even get a job at McDonalds. I would just be a financial burden on my wife.”

I can go on and on about different conversations that I’ve had with Bernanrd Madoff over the last 18 months, but in the end these would only be words written by me, a federal prison serving life without parole for a non-violent drug offense. So rather be like the other inmates and former inmates who have written stories or provided information to the press about Bernie since he began serving his 150 year prison sentence, I decided to do something different. On Tuesday January 18, 2011, I went straight to Bernie with a list of questions that I asked him to answer. He happily agreed.

Before I go any further let me be clear: I am not a reporter or journalist nor am I pretending to be. I’m just a guy in prison who writes to stay sober and I happened to have access to someone who sparks media attention. Having said that, here’s my list of questions and Bernie Madoff’s answers.

Q:Your wife Ruth has suggested that you write a memoir and donate the proceeds to the victims of your crime. Are you considering writing a book, and if so, when?

A: Possibly in the future.

Ruth has voluntarily turned over her assets to the government with the understanding that this would go to my victims. She was allowed to keep some money to cover her legal fees and living expenses for the remainder of her life. In spite of this, she as well as my family have been villanized by the media, none of whom have been charged with having knowledge of my crime, much less participating in it.

The malicious and disgraceful lies that where reported in the NY POST regarding my refusal to attend my sons funeral, which in fact never took place, is an example of what my family has been subjected too.

I will forever be tormented by my sons death. I love my sons and brother more than life itself and will never forgive myself for the pain and suffering I have caused my family.

Q:When the financial reform bill was passed last year you called it a “joke.” Could you explain why?

A: The bill was so watered down that it did little to prevent the similar problems in the future. There were some steps taken that were good in the beginning like a central clearing house for derivatives, however the OTC customized derivatives will still be outside of the clearing house as well as direct regulatory oversight.

The major problem is that the make-up of the investment landscape is so stacked against the individual investor due to the power of the large investment banks and hedge funds who control the flow of information and trading impact. Also, research has taken a back seat to inside information.

Q:A former inmate named John Mancini has written a book about conversation he supposedly had with you while he was here at Butner. Did you have any personal conversations with Mancini pertaining to money, your family, or criminal activity?

A: Any conversation I had with Mancini were limited to my concerns for my family who were being unjustly villianized by the media. I did say that I planned to help the bankrucy trustee recover assets from those parties complicity in causing my problem. In fact, I did meet with six of the Trustee’s attorneys for four full days here at Butner in the presence of my attorney Ira Sorkin. I am certain that the detailed information I provided lead to the recovery of most of the assets recovered to this date.

I also offered this same assistance to the US Attorney prior to my sentencing WITHOUT any consideration relating to my sentence. He was only interested in information leading to further criminal charges, which I refused to do provide. I told him that my only interest was to help recover the assets in order to make my victims whole again. From the time of my arrest I believed this was possible, and that is now being accomplished.

There was nothing to discuss with Mancini or anyone here about money. 90% of the stories and rumors coming out of prison about me are complete fabrications. I was never assaulted, nor have I ever said anything negative about my victims or my family.

Q: How is your health?

A: I suffer from high blood pressure and kidney problems and I take medication for these ailments. I also take anti-depressents.

Q: You voted for President Obama. How would you rate his overall job performance so far, and do you think he’ll be reelected?

A: Nobody cares about my opinion on this.

Qo you plan on doing televised interviews?

A: No, not at this time. Although I have had offers from every major television network, I would still have to decline at this time. However, the only person I would consider doing a televised interview with is Barbara Walters.

Q: Describe your typical day in prison.

A: I work a full 8 hour day in the commissary and I spend any free time reading newspapers in the library as well as read mystery novels in my room. I am asleep by by 9:00pm and I awake at 7:00 am.

On weekends I spend my time in the recreation yard.

Q:There are many organizations dedicated to prison reform. Off the top of your head, name one thing that you think really needs to change in here?

A: There is a great need for advanced education as well as financial planning.

Q:What kind of books do you read?

A: Stuart Woods mystery novels, various autobiography’s as well as James Michnus. I have never had time to read before and I am making up for it.

Q: At your sentencing hearing you apologized to the victims of your crime. However, many people believe that your apology did not go far enough or lacked sincerity. If you had a chance to apologize over again would you, and if so, what would you say?

A:I can’t understand why people feel that my apology was inadequate or insincere. At both my plea hearing and my sentence hearing I declared my guilt and remorse for my family and my victims.

I think the problem was created by my refusal to give a statement to the media in the midst of the frenzy that they created as I briefly appeared to and from my court appearances.

My attorneys advised me not to give any comments or statements.

Qo you have any suggestions about how to get the economy back on tracK?

A: No

Q:What is your take on the recommendations of the Hamilton and Vocker commity?

A: It is obvious that Paul Volcker was unhappy with the government reforms. His suggestions were correct but as usual, Wall Street won the day.

It is absolutely astounding that nobody in the investment banks face criminal charges. They knew exactly what they were doing when they created these toxic derivative securities, as did Paulson and Geihtner. Alan Greenspan was completely well meaning but naive and out of his depth.

Goldman Sachs should have been completely dismantled for their part. I guess the problem is compounded by these banks to do the same thing in London now.

The market is nothing more than a casino with less of a chance for the individual gambler.

Q:And finally, I have ask this question, Bernie…was it worth it?

A: I never planned to commit a crime. I built a very successful trading and market-making business with my brother and sons. This was a highly profitable and respected business and completely legitimate. My family spent their entire career working to make the industry a more efficient and transparent market-place. I was worth 1 Billion dollars before my problems started.

Unfortunately ,I allowed myself to become engulfed in this terrible nightmare by taking on commitments to manage large amounts of capitol from hedge funds using an investment strategy that I traded successfully for years.

My mistake was not returning those monies from the funds once I realized that the market was not conducive to the strategy I was using due to the recession of the 90′s. Instead I invested their funds in US Treasuries and C.D.’s earning 2%, while shorting the trades as a dealer earning them 12% to 2%, giving me a net loss. These funds had to know I was shorting the trades to them with the market condition present at that time. It was their greed that kept them them insisting I honor my commitments to invest their monies along with my unwillingness to lose them as clients, that was my problem.

Once I realized I might not be able to accomplish this, I tried to return my individual investors monies, but met a great deal of resistance from people. The problem was also that the domestic hedge funds started to solicit my clients to invest through them. This would have not accomplished saving them from losses so I just gave up the idea of returning their monies.

This in no way excuses my actions. However, it was never my intention to harm anyone. It was just tragic on my part.

To answer your question, I destroyed a legacy that was created by my brother and sons that took fifty years to build – Nothing could be worth this.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Origianlly posted by RogerB

What you are describing appears to me, based on what I get from you description, is covered in the tech dealing with the earlier spiritual Universes or, as I prefer to refer to them, the earlier spiritual Domains of Existence. The “Valuable Creations Universe” is also referred to as “The Cores.” It is a DNA-like construct designed to forward persistence and self replicate. It is a basic to the Physical Universe. And the joker in the pack is that, from one’s own perspective, all of this stuff is within one’s own Being . . . though one can also consider one is within “it” as we do with the physical universe (when in fact, it’s within you as an infinite Beingness).

My view is, of course, that one does not have to be on auto effect of or auto inflow of stuff from others or their automaticities. But, I will say, that to the degree one is afraid of these types of things is to the degree one is departing and absenting one’s power to handle and prevent these unwanteds. Fear tends to make one absent, and into such absence (or vacuum) others will tend to dump shit

I have been using a basic tool to keep things simple right now. I am too easily angered with certain flows used to imprint or control thought. I decided to get my charge off this first. I think there are races of beings who came here at different points. Methods of manipulating energy to effect control of the environment are different.

I have been doing creative processing on my protested item...astral plasma or fluid. Not too many use this on others. For some it's standard.

I used to work at a Hilton in the lounge across the street from a row of auto auctions. This was in the early 90s when Florida was saturated with crack. You could see this syrupy clinging energy in these guys when they came in high. It was like sleeping jins swelled up out of their brain like big poofy jellyfish. There was this extra part alive that wasn't noticable before. Certain uncanny things happened. Like they KNEW when you were not looking!!! If some patron's cigarettes were about to be boosted, the exact split second moment was seized. Perfect timing... Fast....

There are huge palmetto bugs in Florida. These are basically giant cockroaches with wings. If you ever spot one on the wall and watch it...it won't move. But if you look away for millionth of a second to grab the can of Raid and look back... Its gone!!!! Nowhere in sight. How does it KNOW?. Is it watching your eyeballs to see where your pupils are angled. :confused2: That's how fused with the energey field of the immediate space these folks are on crack.

It would make the hair stand up on your arms. Its like there's this ESP or a link into your thoughts. I could give lots of examples. I can't count the times I thought the OT abilities of the local crackhead surpassed those I'd seen.

I just soloed all the times I had an ARCX with someone throwing out a slosh of astral energy to effect a control of my self-determinsm. I ran it lightly to disassociate the past protested coincidences of viewpoint. This phenomenon is not a human dramatization, its animal or something. Roger, you were spot on...its from another universe. Some folks use whatever they have that works...

 

[Ted]

I have been using a basic tool to keep things simple right now. I am too easily angered with certain flows used to imprint or control thought. I decided to get my charge off this first. I think there are races of beings who came here at different points. Methods of manipulating energy to effect control of the environment are different.

I have been doing creative processing on my protested item...astral plasma or fluid. Not too many use this on others. For some it's standard.

I used to work at a Hilton in the lounge across the street from a row of auto auctions. This was in the early 90s when Florida was saturated with crack. You could see this syrupy clinging energy in these guys when they came in high. It was like sleeping jins swelled up out of their brain like big poofy jellyfish. There was this extra part alive that wasn't noticable before. Certain uncanny things happened. Like they KNEW when you were not looking!!! If some patron's cigarettes were about to be boosted, the exact split second moment was seized. Perfect timing... Fast....

There are huge palmetto bugs in Florida. These are basically giant cockroaches with wings. If you ever spot one on the wall and watch it...it won't move. But if you look away for millionth of a second to grab the can of Raid and look back... Its gone!!!! Nowhere in sight. How does it KNOW?. Is it watching your eyeballs to see where your pupils are angled. :confused2: That's how fused with the energey field of the immediate space these folks are on crack.

It would make the hair stand up on your arms. Its like there's this ESP or a link into your thoughts. I could give lots of examples. I can't count the times I thought the OT abilities of the local crackhead surpassed those I'd seen.

I just soloed all the times I had an ARCX with someone throwing out a slosh of astral energy to effect a control of my self-determinsm. I ran it lightly to disassociate the past protested coincidences of viewpoint. This phenomenon is not a human dramatization, its animal or something. Roger, you were spot on...its from another universe. Some folks use whatever they have that works...

True!

How does it know? :confused2:

Damn cockroaches! They are survivors. One thing though, I don't use Raid. I have saturated some big roach only to watch it crawl away. Then I discovered pressure. That's right, pressure. There isn't a cockroach alive that can hold up under pressure.

 

[Ted]

Hi Ted.
Really enjoyed your post thanks.
Could you tell me these processes of Alans you mention,
where are they to be found?
and act is that a news group found it alt.clearing.technology

Jach

Yes. act or a.c.t. is alt.clearing.technology.

http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/acw

There is a great deal of posting to go through. The rest can be found on Google Groups.

Other than that, the processes used to be available on the Knowledgism web site, but it looks like you would now have to buy a book or two to get them.

 

[Ted]

The Dalai Lama Says...

Dalai Lama: "Whatever the intellectual quality of the education given our children, it is vital that it include elements of love and compassion, for nothing guarantees that knowledge alone will be truly useful to human beings. Among the major troublemakers society has known, many were well-educated and had great knowledge, but they lacked a moral education in qualities such as compassion, wisdom and clarity of vision."

 

[SweetnessandLight]

I witnessed this too!

True!

How does it know? :confused2:

Damn cockroaches! They are survivors. One thing though, I don't use Raid. I have saturated some big roach only to watch it crawl away. Then I discovered pressure. That's right, pressure. There isn't a cockroach alive that can hold up under pressure.

The big flying cockroaches in Hawaii fly right at you the second you get your courage up to attack them, but just before you really begin to physically move. Your energy shifts. They can perceive your intent. Just calmly observe them and they go about their business, or let you pass unchallenged. It's a survival skill!

I think we all can do it. It's all about perceiving.

 

[Ted]

The big flying cockroaches in Hawaii fly right at you the second you get your courage up to attack them, but just before you really begin to physically move. Your energy shifts. They can perceive your intent. Just calmly observe them and they go about their business, or let you pass unchallenged. It's a survival skill!

I think we all can do it. It's all about perceiving.

Ya. The perception(s) in question is (are) not necessarily sight, sound, smell, etc.

 

[RogerB]

I have been using a basic tool to keep things simple right now. I am too easily angered with certain flows used to imprint or control thought. I decided to get my charge off this first. I think there are races of beings who came here at different points. Methods of manipulating energy to effect control of the environment are different.

I have been doing creative processing on my protested item...astral plasma or fluid. Not too many use this on others. For some it's standard.

I used to work at a Hilton in the lounge across the street from a row of auto auctions. This was in the early 90s when Florida was saturated with crack. You could see this syrupy clinging energy in these guys when they came in high. It was like sleeping jins swelled up out of their brain like big poofy jellyfish. There was this extra part alive that wasn't noticable before. Certain uncanny things happened. Like they KNEW when you were not looking!!! If some patron's cigarettes were about to be boosted, the exact split second moment was seized. Perfect timing... Fast....

There are huge palmetto bugs in Florida. These are basically giant cockroaches with wings. If you ever spot one on the wall and watch it...it won't move. But if you look away for millionth of a second to grab the can of Raid and look back... Its gone!!!! Nowhere in sight. How does it KNOW?. Is it watching your eyeballs to see where your pupils are angled. :confused2: That's how fused with the energey field of the immediate space these folks are on crack.

It would make the hair stand up on your arms. Its like there's this ESP or a link into your thoughts. I could give lots of examples. I can't count the times I thought the OT abilities of the local crackhead surpassed those I'd seen.

I just soloed all the times I had an ARCX with someone throwing out a slosh of astral energy to effect a control of my self-determinsm. I ran it lightly to disassociate the past protested coincidences of viewpoint. This phenomenon is not a human dramatization, its animal or something. Roger, you were spot on...its from another universe. Some folks use whatever they have that works...

Hats,

You live an interesting life! A far more entertaining one than I do

An interesting observation I made many years ago is that it appears the girls tend to be a fair degree more sensitive and perceptive than the fellas . . . on average, that is. Some fellas are quite sensitive and perceptive . . . but by an large, it appears the game is structured such that the girls tend to be more receptive, inflowing than their male counterparts.

My old guru, Myra Louise, and I had many chats on this. It was her that revealed to me that there is a "polarity" and acid/alkaline difference between us . . . even the deodorant manufactures play on that one, pointing out the girls are more alkaline than the boys.

Myra had observed that it was routinely the girls who were gifted more often as psychics than the boys and certainly she found them more frequently able to use the radiesthesia (radionics in the US) pendulum than the boys. She found it was the male MDs who opposed her healing methods while the female MDs honored and applauded it (what's new in that . . . it was the idiot male church leaders who suppressed the female healers of yore). Anyhow, Myra and I became firm buddies when she found I could easily use the pendulum and was also able to contribute to her healing knowledge.

So I say this, Hats, to raise the point of being a "receiver."

This practice, or one might say, "valence" or identity, is one one ought have under volition and control. I would say automatic inflow from whom ever or what ever happens to be about is not an ideal . . . one, ideally ought have of choice over this.

So there is a handling (What's new?)

One describes the scenario . . . it is what ever it is to you. Then you ask: "What identity or Beingness would (named scenario)?" Or, doing it solo you could ask: "Connected to (scenario) what identity or Beingness do I go into?"

Get the identity/Beingness and run the identity handling on it to take all the unwanted automaticities off of it, or otherwise, if you choose eliminate the identity. However, be alert to the point that the identity could possibly be a positive valuable identity that has simply gone down mood into unwanted automatics. You'll sort that one out as you go

It's an old, old game, the receiving from others and the giving to others. The trick is to have it under your knowing control . . . and to be free from unwanted automaticities on the game.

Rog