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MrNobody said:
Interesting reaction. :giggle:
Did anybody address what I wrote? :confused2: No? Thought so.
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If I recall correctly, the essence of 'what you wrote' amounted to:
1. Ya'll got bogus, stupid ideas
2. Ya wanna fight?

So far, responses to your post have amounted to, "No, thank you." Most of the regulars here respond better to a help request of some kind. Had you said,

"This whole idea of 'mocking up space' before you move your body into it seems -- utterly strange to me; I can't figure out why anyone would want or need to do such a thing. Does anyone actually do this and, if so, why?"​

would probably have resulted in many interesting responses.

Best,

G.
 
CarmeloOrchards

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for the 'foodies'

on NPR today, Terry Gross on "Fresh Air" interviewed a guy named Mariani about Italian food in AMERICA.It was spell binding for me.

I might add that we have had high winds and rain for the last 6-8 hours straight, and I AM GOIN STIR CRAZY.
 
SweetnessandLight

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Carmelo, you need some herbal tea...I recommend "Tension Tamer" by Celestial Seasonings. :thumbsup:

Some of your rain is making it down our way...storms coming and going. It's all good, we need the water. :)
 
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gfyork said:
If I recall correctly, the essence of 'what you wrote' amounted to:
1. Ya'll got bogus, stupid ideas
2. Ya wanna fight?

So far, responses to your post have amounted to, "No, thank you." Most of the regulars here respond better to a help request of some kind. Had you said,

"This whole idea of 'mocking up space' before you move your body into it seems -- utterly strange to me; I can't figure out why anyone would want or need to do such a thing. Does anyone actually do this and, if so, why?"​

would probably have resulted in many interesting responses.

Best,

G.
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Trying to put some meaning into some silly obedience drills, that even some of the dogs I've trained back in the days would have found stupid, cannot lead to meaningful discussion.

Also: What purpose would it have served to sugar-coat my point?

Also2: Ignoring my point was to be expected, but reading allegedly slightly intelligent people saying so in public was hilariously funny. :giggle:
 
FoTi

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MrNobody said:
Trying to put some meaning into some silly obedience drills, that even some of the dogs I've trained back in the days would have found stupid, cannot lead to meaningful discussion.

Also: What purpose would it have served to sugar-coat my point?

Also2: Ignoring my point was to be expected, but reading allegedly slightly intelligent people saying so in public was hilariously funny. :giggle:
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Haven't you found that mud to stick your head in yet?
 
lkwdblds

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Outstanding post by my namesake.

gfyork said:
If I recall correctly, the essence of 'what you wrote' amounted to:
1. Ya'll got bogus, stupid ideas
2. Ya wanna fight?

So far, responses to your post have amounted to, "No, thank you." Most of the regulars here respond better to a help request of some kind. Had you said,

"This whole idea of 'mocking up space' before you move your body into it seems -- utterly strange to me; I can't figure out why anyone would want or need to do such a thing. Does anyone actually do this and, if so, why?"​

would probably have resulted in many interesting responses.

Best,

G.
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Thanks Gary, you said it perfectly IMHO.

Gary aka your namesake
 
CarmeloOrchards

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SweetnessandLight said:
Some of your rain is making it down our way...storms coming and going. It's all good, we need the water. :)
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Here's a picture from our beach town's downtown area this afternoon. There is a sidewalk under that water, there is also a street. The water flooded dozens of businesses and the fire station and police stations. I mean flooded.

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Here is a picture of a sleepy (most of the year) Soquel Creek. It came within inches of jumping its banks.

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CarmeloOrchards

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The History of Popcorn and the Movies


By Maddie Donnelly, Gourmet Live guest blogger

Ever wonder why popcorn and the movies go together like Martin Scorsese and Leonardo DiCaprio? Here’s a brief history of the duo.

Popcorn wasn’t introduced to the general public as a snack food until around 1840, when it first made appearances at fairs, carnivals, and rallies. In 1885, with the invention of the first portable popcorn machine, its popularity increased dramatically. Popcorn vendors followed the crowds, set up shop, and introduced popcorn neophytes to the joys of butter, salt, and crunch. It was a cheap and tasty hit.

As fate would have it, the popcorn boom coincided with the dawn of nickelodeon (or dime) theatres. Vendors, quick to spot an opportunity, sold their treats outside of the movies. Though patrons loved it, the mess left behind, the smell of the machines, and popcorn’s association with burlesque irritated movie theatre owners, especially as the fancier theaters of the 1910s and 20s were built.

But as the Great Depression set in, and profits dropped, desperate owners sought new ways to make money. They noticed how lucrative the popcorn business was and installed machines of their own inside. Soon concession stands were integrated into the designs of theatres. A movie and a bucket of popcorn became one of the main forms of entertainment for struggling Americans well into the 1930s.

When the TV came along, and threatened the movie business once again, concession stands became as central to a movie theatre’s success as the movies themselves. And when sugar rations took hold during World War II, making candy no longer available at the movies, popcorn sales skyrocketed. By the time sugar was reintroduced to the public, the notion of popcorn at the movies had become ingrained in the minds of theater patrons everywhere.

Today, concession stand sales account for a whopping 40 percent of movie theatres’ net revenue. And while new snacks are constantly being introduced, popcorn endures. So when you pop your bag of popcorn before your favorite movie starts, know that you’re not only satisfying a craving, but partaking in a little American tradition.
 
Ted

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afaceinthecrowd said:
The Missions were being KSW targeted and F’d with long before the Finance Police were created to deliver the coup de grace. I'm interested in your take on the Adams Avenue story when you have time.

That time is coming up shortly. In the meantime, here's a few short comments.


Missions like Adams Avenue were the major business source for FSO services. The complete insanity of Senior SO “Management” staggered me regarding the Mission Network in the ‘70’s. I knew that the Missions were the heart and soul of the Scn “Empire” and knew what to do and how to do it re: expansion.

Perhaps this is true to some degree, certainly true when compared to orgs. Being in the field, rubbing elbows with paying customers in their home environment, it becomes readily apparent that the world at large does not revolve around L. Ron Hubbard, his programs, his orders, his ideal scenes.

Everything in the inner bowels of the SO was all about “Source”, KSW, “we’re right and the rest of them are wrong”, and all Scientologists are “our subjects” and all Students and PC’s “belong to us”.


That was apparent. Orgs are stat-hungry beasts. I have seen people from the mission go very ARC broke when they get to the upper org only to realize things there aren't better because it is an upper org. Things can be worse than where they came from!

Why is that? From the mission perspective, we live with these people. We know them. We care about them, their families, their work, their lives. If service is bad, those people are right there in your face to let you know of their dissatisfaction.

Org/Flag promo begets hidden standards. Some people going up lines can get the idea that they are going to be swept up in the mecca of technical perfection, and that they will return with magical powers. While people have returned very satisfied with their services, some did not. If just one returned without complete satisfaction that's one too many for there they sit, in the field, disaffected. It's one thing to be disaffected with the local org or mission. In the mind of the pc, there's still Flag, an element of hope. When Flag fails, that's the end of the line.

Listening to Flag Tours personnel position Flag against local auditors used to just piss me off. Like you mean to tell me that if I am reading KSW or Tech Degrades at Flag it's a different policy than if I am reading it in San Diego or even sitting on the toilet? What a bunch of self-inflated crap that is.


When I was running Class IV Orgs there were some very simple actions I learned that really worked, I got a lot of heat for from “up lines” and, even though I had to weather near daily "fire fights" with Flag Reps, Programs Chiefs and FBO's, only got away with it because the stats, on trend, were very healthy

1. The Missions and the Mission Holders are your friends. Help them, keep them informed, be responsive to their needs, respect them and, personally, pay attention to and “watch out for” their public when at the Org.

That's a winning proposition!


2. FSM’s are your friends. Help them, Hat them, be responsive to their needs, respect them, pay attention to them and watch out for their selectee’s best interests.

You can't lose with that one!

A person brought in buy an FSM is 5 times more likely to sign up for indoc courses and 3 times as likely to resign after them.

3. The personality, energy, appearance and attitude of your Basic Course Sups are the most important factors in the size and success of your indoc course rooms.

Right on! Your people with the highest case levels, the greatest ARC and flexibility need to be on the front lines.


4. Never allow recruiting of Basic Course Students. Give folks time to “settle in”, make progress, get to “know” them and vice-versa. A person that’s had some training and been around awhile makes a better staff member and sooner than a green horn. Also, FSM’s get frustrated when their selectee’s are, in essence, ripped off.

I totally agree. I would add, take KSW off a beginning student's checksheet. Give him time to find out what it is and determine on his own that it should be kept working. Let application of the subject do something for the student before he's required by authority to dramatize keeping it working.


5. Build a sense of “community”. Have things like Sunday “Potluck Dinners” for staff and public with no agenda, lecture, reging or recruiting…just fellowship and fun.

Spagetti dinners, live music, laughter, beer! It's good to have a blowout now and then. There's plenty of time for regging later.


6. During Basic Course Breaks all available staff, including me, were assigned to visit and 2WC with the Newbies. No sales pitches, no out-reality blabber and “Scientologeze”, etc…just visit. The staff loved it and so did the Newbies. We got to a point where often times there were more Newbies than staff. Every staff member involved turned in a brief report to me re: who they talked to and the gist of the conversation. From this list I could detect problems, “orchestrate” subsequent break chats and “guide” pathways. One example of a problem is a student we had once that said that if something worthwhile didn’t happen soon he wasn’t gonna finish the course. I was able to clue the Sup in and, sure enough, this guy was twinned with a real f’d up stoner. I called the guy's FSM and they rushed over to the Org, twinned with the guy for the rest of the night and the next night, and 4 months later that student was on the HSDC Internship. Another time my DofP turned in a report that the person they talked to was really interested in the e-meter and being and Auditor. Next night at course break I set up for the DofP to introduce the Snr C/S—not the reg—to chat with them during break. One week later the student bought an e-meter, all the books and materials and a full Academy /Internships package. This person’s FSM, who we made sure was kept abreast of things, was deliriously happy and just couldn’t wait to bring someone else to the Org. On another occasion, a person from a Mission on the Cl IV Internship originated to me that they were considering buying their Solo/SHBC Package. I knew ASHO and AO, dropped a few names and told a story or two about the “old days” (late 60’s). I then went back to my office, called the Mission Holder, who was OT 7EP, Cl VIII and told them about the conversation. We worked out that I would do the “Deal” with his public (the Msn was also the guys FSM) in my office with the Mission Holder on the phone. He wound up, without pressure and “Hard Sell” paying through OT 7 and Cl VIII with a promised job at the Mission when he was done, if he wanted. The Mission got some good goodies, we got a few small goodies, ASHO and AO got the cake and I gave the Mission the kudos. I don't know where he is today but I know that in the late '70's he was an CLVIII C/S.

Now, I’m not making a statement here that is all pro El Ron and the “Tech”—I’ve written much on this thread and board as to where I stand on all that. My point is simply that it’s not all that hard to build a nice little Org and Field when you care about people, want for them to do well and treat them with respect—including your staff. What is hard, is to do all that while being threatened, bull baited and hounded by stat pushing, desperate and clueless Senior “Management” and Gestapo “Think” Networks.

The biggest problems in running an Org, for me, were that:

A. Staff were broke, starving, exhausted (many had to moonlight to survive) and their personal life was a neglected shambles.

True. Mission staff were not as bad off as org staff. I lived well as an auditor. I worked longer hours but when things were good I earned more money than at the technical job I left at Hewlett-Packhard.


B. Most Staff were not getting what they were so dedicatedly protecting, selling and delivering.

That's the part that sucks. There is an LRH lecture called "Can't Have/Create, Fundamentals of All Problems." When I heard that lecture I determined the system was setup that way on purpose. LRH was under the impression that people will compulsively create what they perceive they can't have. Wow.


C. Staff were hounded, pounded, threatened and brutalized by SO “Management” and Networks and immediate Seniors that were indoctrinated, ordered and coerced by them to do same.

And El Ron El Rey, being the sick F’er Hisself was, set it up that way and knew damn well how it was and what it was.

During the mid to late ‘70’s it became obvious to me that El Ron was not “serious”; that El Ron was only pretending to play the game I thought Hisself was playing, that El Ron had said Hisself was playing; that El Ron didn't give a shit about the rest of Us. By that time I’d seen enough, been "around" enough, been at the "top” and on the "inside" long enough, and had enough information that it was obvious what needed to be done to play “long ball” and consolidate the position of “Planetary Scientology”. There was times multiple more than enough dough in SO Reserves and flooding in every month at the FSO in the late ‘70’s to design, prepare for and then call a 6 month “Stand Down”, restructure Org staffs and SO with increased compensation, improved Org quarters, facilities and equipment, realign postings, hire needed experience and talent, streamline and simplify policy, focus the energy on the "lower bridge", clean up, crash train and drill everyone, then “restart”. Nearly every Scio would have pitched in to help a project like that, and the resultant espirit de corp and pride would have "filled the sails" for a generation.
End Rant.

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Agreed.
 
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