The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[RogerB]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This website isn't here to 'positively process people' as you put it, and your idea of what is 'positive' is just that - your idea. This site is here so that people can express their views about Scientology - both positive and negative. A lot of people don't want to be 'processed' or 'redirected', by you or anybody else. Let them go where they will. Ridicule is one of the most effective tools for dismantling the Scientology implant, so get used to it - it isn't going to go away.

What you consider useable and workable might look like sheer idiocy to someone else.

As regards your sugestion let folks get it off their chest, I just did.

The term "positive process" has been used here on ESMB for some several years now . . . and I didn't invent the term. And it also has nothing to do with auditing anyone a la the session thing.

It actually refers to the point that all of life is a sequence or series of actions that gets an end result . . . that is what a process is. As Alan Walter wrote: "All of life is a process."

So in our relating with others, we can either do it positively or negatively . . . whichever way we do it, it is a process and how you do it determines the outcome and effect on the person you relate with.

I'm with you on letting folks get things off their chest . . . I'm not with them being nasty to each other and running put downs on each other.

That shouldn't be too hard to understand, no?

R

 

[Smilla]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

No point in further discussion just now.

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

As I said, you can believe whatever you like and post it in this forum. I can reply if I want to, and can enjoy heaping ridicule on it if I feel that it is silly. When it comes to people sifting through the wreckage of Hubbard's bogus therapy to find something 'shiny and clean' I often do feel like it.

So keep sifting, if that's what you enjoy doing

My post was directed at Toady, not you. I did not accuse you of anything. I enjoy most of your posts. Its true that you don't claim to be anything. Toady is claiming to be "scientology free" or what he calls a true ex. He is not there yet, being an strong adherent of one of Hubbard's key policies without admitting it.

I'm done writing about this for the time being. I made my point to Toady. It was said as perfectly as it is possible for me to express anything in words. Time to move on. Continue your posting, Smila, I really do not care what you write. Most of it is interesting and thought provoking.
lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

The term "positive process" has been used here on ESMB for some several years now . . . and I didn't invent the term. And it also has nothing to do with auditing anyone a la the session thing.

It actually refers to the point that all of life is a sequence or series of actions that gets an end result . . . that is what a process is. As Alan Walter wrote: "All of life is a process."

So in our relating with others, we can either do it positively or negatively . . . whichever way we do it, it is a process and how you do it determines the outcome and effect on the person you relate with.

I'm with you on letting folks get things off their chest . . . I'm not with them being nasty to each other and running put downs on each other.

That shouldn't be too hard to understand, no?

R

Well explained Rog. It seems that the misunderstanding which you just cleared up was once again caused by two parties using different definitions for one particular word, which was in this case "processing".

In April, all hell broke lose when I used the word "indocrinate" in the manner it is used on, say, one's first day in high school. You know, the student is told what to wear for gym class, where his or her homeroom is, what the recess times are, etc.. That was the type of indoctrination I was thinking of. Many others assummed a much stronger usage of the word. There was a major attack on me for recommending people to receive indoctrination before receiving counseling.

Using different meanings for the word "processing" triggered a similar result. I hope that your efforts to explain how you meant to use the word clear up any misunderstandings.
Lakey

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

But, so LRH was a tyrant. So what? Why would that matter in the scheme of things?

Whut?

Yes Mark is correct . . .

You lot have been feisty while I've been away. I did a quick trip for a week in Iceland. More on that later.

Leon, I consider yours above to be an inappropriate put down of FoTi above. You're a trained tech person and auditor . . . you certainly know better than to dump on a person expressing themselves as they go through the healing process

Foti expressed her sorting-things-outs and conclusions that resolved how and why things screwed up with respect to her in $cn.

That merits an Ack and understanding . . . not an inval.

Rog

You lost me here Roger. Maybe it went over my head, but I don't see where Leon put me down or invalidated me. How or where was he dumping on me? :confused2:

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Elvis has left the building.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

The term "positive process" has been used here on ESMB for some several years now . . . and I didn't invent the term. And it also has nothing to do with auditing anyone a la the session thing.

It actually refers to the point that all of life is a sequence or series of actions that gets an end result . . . that is what a process is. As Alan Walter wrote: "All of life is a process."

So in our relating with others, we can either do it positively or negatively . . . whichever way we do it, it is a process and how you do it determines the outcome and effect on the person you relate with.

I'm with you on letting folks get things off their chest . . . I'm not with them being nasty to each other and running put downs on each other.

That shouldn't be too hard to understand, no?

R

Looks to me, Rog, like a few people around the board here still may have a bit of 'bpc' ... errrh ..., excuse me, ... 'unresolved personal upset' ... on the word 'process' despite their insistence on being 'past all that' and claims to having 'moved on in their lives'.

Perhaps a habit of routinely resorting to a good dictionary might help a few of them resolve the misconceptions which seem to plague them with regard to remarks made by others on the board?


Mark A. Baker

 

[Smilla]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Looks to me, Rog, like a few people around the board here still may have a bit of 'bpc' ... errrh ..., excuse me, ... 'unresolved personal upset' ... on the word 'process' despite their insistence on being 'past all that' and claims to having 'moved on in their lives'.

Perhaps a habit of routinely resorting to a good dictionary might help a few of them resolve the misconceptions which seem to plague them with regard to remarks made by others on the board?

Mark A. Baker

That might be true Mark, and there might also be some who spend a lot of time with dictionaries because they don't have a girlfriend with whom they could pass the time more pleasantly

 

[RogerB]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Looks to me, Rog, like a few people around the board here still may have a bit of 'bpc' ... errrh ..., excuse me, ... 'unresolved personal upset' ... on the word 'process' despite their insistence on being 'past all that' and claims to having 'moved on in their lives'.

Perhaps a habit of routinely resorting to a good dictionary might help a few of them resolve the misconceptions which seem to plague them with regard to remarks made by others on the board?


Mark A. Baker

Christ, you're expecting a lot! Expecting everyone to always do something sensible!?!?



Fair go, Mate! (As we Ozzies like to say) Strueth . . . that's too much like work for some . . . easier to just react!


R

 

[Smilla]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Christ, you're expecting a lot! Expecting everyone to always do something sensible!?!?



Fair go, Mate! (As we Ozzies like to say) Strueth . . . that's too much like work for some . . . easier to just react!


R

Quite right Roger, and one must remember to make allowances for old age and the many infirmities it brings.

.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Well explained Rog. It seems that the misunderstanding which you just cleared up was once again caused by two parties using different definitions for one particular word, which was in this case "processing".

In April, all hell broke lose when I used the word "indocrinate" in the manner it is used on, say, one's first day in high school. You know, the student is told what to wear for gym class, where his or her homeroom is, what the recess times are, etc.. That was the type of indoctrination I was thinking of. Many others assummed a much stronger usage of the word. There was a major attack on me for recommending people to receive indoctrination before receiving counseling.

Using different meanings for the word "processing" triggered a similar result. I hope that your efforts to explain how you meant to use the word clear up any misunderstandings.
Lakey

[video=youtube;zDAmPIq29ro]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro[/video]

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Quite right Roger, and one must remember to make allowances for old age and the many infirmities it brings.

.

[video=youtube;p9ZjOCSLYlc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9ZjOCSLYlc&NR=1[/video]

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

That might be true Mark, and there might also be some who spend a lot of time with dictionaries because they don't have a girlfriend with whom they could pass the time more pleasantly

A person can spend a lot of time usefully, enjoyably, and with a sense of fulfillment with a dictionary. Women on the other hand ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTqsln_RVCg


Mark A. Baker

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Christ, you're expecting a lot! Expecting everyone to always do something sensible!?!?

...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKs7rLkqQcQ


Mark A. Baker

 

[Smilla]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

SNIP

A person can spend a lot of time usefully, enjoyably, and with a sense of fulfillment with a dictionary. Women on the other hand ...


Mark A. Baker

Yes a dictionary is a useful tool.

Here's a song for you. More than one viewing is recommended for maximum certainty on the procedures demonstrated

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysb2Uftaqeg

 

[Terril park]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

That might be true Mark, and there might also be some who spend a lot of time with dictionaries because they don't have a girlfriend with whom they could pass the time more pleasantly

Putting on my matchmaker valence, I think you'd
both get on very well.

Seriously.

 

[Terril park]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Putting on my matchmaker valence, I think you'd
both get on very well.

Seriously.

Hey,
You both bash me from different directions. You both have some non COS commonalities.

Mark was a very good friend, we met in real life. Despite his personal attacks on me I still like the guy.

I believe the best thing that could happen to him is a girlfriend.
For all I know he has one, but I doubt it.

You want a boyfriend go for it. Unlikely I could help, but happy to try.

That's my main hat connecting people up.

For all I know you are happily married wih X no of children.

You wanna boyfriend? Who you gonna call?

 

[Terril park]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Hey,
You both bash me from different directions. You both have some non COS commonalities.

Mark was a very good friend, we met in real life. Despite his personal attacks on me I still like the guy.

I believe the best thing that could happen to him is a girlfriend.
For all I know he has one, but I doubt it.

You want a boyfriend go for it. Unlikely I could help, but happy to try.

That's my main hat connecting people up.

For all I know you are happily married wih X no of children.

You wanna boyfriend? Who you gonna call?

WTF!

Was replying to a "like" post. Had no idea it would go to the forum.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Yes a dictionary is a useful tool.

Here's a song for you. More than one viewing is recommended for maximum certainty on the procedures demonstrated


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysb2Uftaqeg

dictionaries are essential for some


[video=youtube;TzwGfP98vGM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzwGfP98vGM[/video]

an overlay of dr. gonzo video and grace and crew audio

[video=youtube;5Jj3wZVc7nw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jj3wZVc7nw[/video]

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

... Here's a song for you. More than one viewing is recommended for maximum certainty on the procedures demonstrated ..

Unfortunately, as I am male, I am unable to enact the procedures precisely as they were illustrated. However, I am nothing if not inventive and have long ago adequately mastered adapted versions of the techniques described in the video.

In view of your recommendation, is there be a test? If so did you have in mind a practical exam, an oral exploration of the subject, or is it to be open book?

Not only are there are benefits to having had a classical education, but there is also much to be gained by the consulting of competent original source materials so as to avoid conceptual misconceptions which might otherwise interfere with the benefits to be had from social intercourse.


Mark A. Baker