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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
This may be my all time favorite post of MAB
This may be my all time favorite post of MAB
The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But
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Mark A. Baker
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
With regard to your comments I did not make 'nothing of it', but I don't like to see excessive fear encouraged. [All the more so when the target of fear is another animal species. I've seen too many animals abused by 'macho' idiots out to prove their mastery of the natural world.
Typically snakes are easy. Just don't surprise them. My response on the otherhand might surprise you.
They did the same in Hawaii when I was a kid though there were no snakes there at the time. It had something to do with the pollen filaments at the top of the plant.
Mark A. Baker
Ooooo, you are being soo, serious . . . .
Here I am giving my friends some good advice about taking care of themselves downunnda and you do a make nothing of it.
With regard to your comments I did not make 'nothing of it', but I don't like to see excessive fear encouraged. [All the more so when the target of fear is another animal species. I've seen too many animals abused by 'macho' idiots out to prove their mastery of the natural world.
... Maybe I should introduce you to a barefoot walk through our Taipan snake country for a real challenge?...
Typically snakes are easy. Just don't surprise them. My response on the otherhand might surprise you.
... In the days before mechanical sugar cane cutters, the fields were set afire in part to rid the area of these particular nasties.
R
They did the same in Hawaii when I was a kid though there were no snakes there at the time. It had something to do with the pollen filaments at the top of the plant.
Mark A. Baker
Hatshepsut
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Gee, I remember back from 1978 up to 1980 that there were staff that desperately wanted to have been part of a pilot project. There were some from the Miami Org that wanted that and went for HRD. There was Lisa who went for the Key To Life. There was Kathy B who went for something. I remember a good laugh with my auditor Julie Grimes at AOLA. She was reminiscing about how she, SO staff, had longed to be part of the old test programs. She hadn't gotten chosen. Later, as she looked at the revisions and re-revisions of the actions she had done, she realized with amusement that she HAD been a test subject! She looked at this as a win I am sure as she had gotten her postulate and not even recognized it at the time. She was still SO after all.
I must say that the AO staff at the time had some independent thinkers. These were left overs from the mid 70s who had a moral compass and a good internal yardstick for whether the direction they were taking their PC in was being encumbered or not. It was the PR era of accept NO stops!!!! Of course that policy ended up denying the orgs too much mula. Julie and Brian Grimes left the Sea Org sometime after the mission holders conference I believe.
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I like the concept of “Pilot Project” and find it very apropos to some of my experience in Scn and my knowledge of its History…both written and the oral “History” told to me by “Old Timers”.
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The Pilot Project came to an end when Hisself decided to do away with the last remaining of the pioneers that had spent much of their lives establishing Scn and making El Ron look like something he was not.
El Ron wanted all the credit for anything “good” and none of the accountability for anything “bad”. That’s why, in the end, “Mankind’s Greatest Friend” died alone in a motor home, cowering in fear of being held accountable for all Hisself had taken personal credit for having “Created”.
Face
Gee, I remember back from 1978 up to 1980 that there were staff that desperately wanted to have been part of a pilot project. There were some from the Miami Org that wanted that and went for HRD. There was Lisa who went for the Key To Life. There was Kathy B who went for something. I remember a good laugh with my auditor Julie Grimes at AOLA. She was reminiscing about how she, SO staff, had longed to be part of the old test programs. She hadn't gotten chosen. Later, as she looked at the revisions and re-revisions of the actions she had done, she realized with amusement that she HAD been a test subject! She looked at this as a win I am sure as she had gotten her postulate and not even recognized it at the time. She was still SO after all.
I must say that the AO staff at the time had some independent thinkers. These were left overs from the mid 70s who had a moral compass and a good internal yardstick for whether the direction they were taking their PC in was being encumbered or not. It was the PR era of accept NO stops!!!! Of course that policy ended up denying the orgs too much mula. Julie and Brian Grimes left the Sea Org sometime after the mission holders conference I believe.
Hatshepsut
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I did not realize until this month that CCHR was a Scientology deal. However, the quality of their vids is a lot better than those in other divisions, there are about a half dozen or more linked with this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3xZnKX_0xQ&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv49RFo1ckQ&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR4EWSbXLWA&feature=player_detailpage
I did not realize until this month that CCHR was a Scientology deal. However, the quality of their vids is a lot better than those in other divisions, there are about a half dozen or more linked with this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3xZnKX_0xQ&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv49RFo1ckQ&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR4EWSbXLWA&feature=player_detailpage
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lkwdblds
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
What can one say, these are good videos, actually quite inspiring. I am surprised that C of S is involved with these but when something is good, one has to give the devil his due. Am I missing something?
Lakey
What can one say, these are good videos, actually quite inspiring. I am surprised that C of S is involved with these but when something is good, one has to give the devil his due. Am I missing something?
Lakey
FoTi
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I agree they are good. I wonder if they will still be around if/when the Co$ dies.
I agree they are good. I wonder if they will still be around if/when the Co$ dies.
lkwdblds
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I may have inadvertently been part of a pilot project, having over 300 hours of Expanded Dianetics run on me at CCLA. Ron Shafran, Class XII Case Supervisor (CS), came from the Apollo to CCLA in the autumn of 1972 and replaced non Sea Org member Don Keeler, Class VIII, as the head CS at CCLA. In fact, he ordered Don go either join the Sea Org or get out. Don could not join Sea Org at that time and was forced to leave staff.
EXPANDED DIANETICS (XDN) Expanded Dianetics began to be promoted heavily at CCLA. The Org was bogged down with some problems at that time so the Commanding Officer, Yvonne Jentzsch, decided to have it run on her. She began giving her "wins" at musters and staff meetings and then she had some blow out type of wins and attested as an XDN completion. She called a staff meeting to tell us about this auditing and the thing which caught my attention was that she said that XDN was "8 times more powerful than regular auditing".
I had suffered several set backs at CCLA, first being kicked off of the Dianetic Internship by Keeler without graduating and then being passed up for promotion to Treasury Sec in favor of an 18 year old newby with no training, Kitty, and then being passed up for promotion to FBO in favor of Kitty's dad, Bob, who was not even a staff member and had absolutely no hatting.
After hearing Yvonne's speech at staff meeting, I decided to purchase XDN for myself. Since I was Sea Org, and was supposed to receive auditing services at no charge, Yvonne told me I could receive my XDN at 1/2 price. I paid $8,000 for something like 150 hours of it. This fee, paid in 1972 was equivalent to $40k to $45K in today's money. I began receiving XDN from the same auditor who was auditing Yvonne. I thought that I was making big gains.
In those days, one had to do Power, Power Plus and Grade 6 to go "Clear". About 4 years later, they came out with the Dianetic Clear, where a person could go clear on Dianetics and not have to take the aforementioned levels.
I did not complete in the 150 hours and was in the middle of the rundown but to the Orgs credit they decided to let me complete at no further cost! It took me around 325 hours of auditing to finish the rundown (I received 175 hours of XDN from one of CC's top auditors with Ron Shafran CSing on the house!!). When I was done, I thought that I was a sort of super human person with special abilities. I did not think that my body would age as I got older. As it turned out, I aged just like everyone else.
After I completed, a few wealthy public had some XDN run on them and then XDN seemed to be taken off the boards as far as promotion and sales were concerned. It was quickly dropped and no one was getting it. Shortly afterwards, I went to the Apollo. When I retuned two months later, I was out of the Sea Org and just public but I noticed that XDN was not being mentioned at CCLA. I don't even know if it was available even if someone requested it.
I've never understood why it was abandoned despite all the initial ballyhoo which it was given. Does Leon or some other tech maven have any knowledge of what was wrong with XDN such that it stopped being promoted and sold? Anyone, my 325 hours can probably be conceived as a part of the pilot project on Expanded Dianetic Auditing.
Lakey
Gee, I remember back from 1978 up to 1980 that there were staff that desperately wanted to have been part of a pilot project. There were some from the Miami Org that wanted that and went for HRD. There was Lisa who went for the Key To Life. There was Kathy B who went for something. I remember a good laugh with my auditor Julie Grimes at AOLA. She was reminiscing about how she, SO staff, had longed to be part of the old test programs. She hadn't gotten chosen. Later, as she looked at the revisions and re-revisions of the actions she had done, she realized with amusement that she HAD been a test subject! She looked at this as a win I am sure as she had gotten her postulate and not even recognized it at the time. She was still SO after all.
I may have inadvertently been part of a pilot project, having over 300 hours of Expanded Dianetics run on me at CCLA. Ron Shafran, Class XII Case Supervisor (CS), came from the Apollo to CCLA in the autumn of 1972 and replaced non Sea Org member Don Keeler, Class VIII, as the head CS at CCLA. In fact, he ordered Don go either join the Sea Org or get out. Don could not join Sea Org at that time and was forced to leave staff.
EXPANDED DIANETICS (XDN) Expanded Dianetics began to be promoted heavily at CCLA. The Org was bogged down with some problems at that time so the Commanding Officer, Yvonne Jentzsch, decided to have it run on her. She began giving her "wins" at musters and staff meetings and then she had some blow out type of wins and attested as an XDN completion. She called a staff meeting to tell us about this auditing and the thing which caught my attention was that she said that XDN was "8 times more powerful than regular auditing".
I had suffered several set backs at CCLA, first being kicked off of the Dianetic Internship by Keeler without graduating and then being passed up for promotion to Treasury Sec in favor of an 18 year old newby with no training, Kitty, and then being passed up for promotion to FBO in favor of Kitty's dad, Bob, who was not even a staff member and had absolutely no hatting.
After hearing Yvonne's speech at staff meeting, I decided to purchase XDN for myself. Since I was Sea Org, and was supposed to receive auditing services at no charge, Yvonne told me I could receive my XDN at 1/2 price. I paid $8,000 for something like 150 hours of it. This fee, paid in 1972 was equivalent to $40k to $45K in today's money. I began receiving XDN from the same auditor who was auditing Yvonne. I thought that I was making big gains.
In those days, one had to do Power, Power Plus and Grade 6 to go "Clear". About 4 years later, they came out with the Dianetic Clear, where a person could go clear on Dianetics and not have to take the aforementioned levels.
I did not complete in the 150 hours and was in the middle of the rundown but to the Orgs credit they decided to let me complete at no further cost! It took me around 325 hours of auditing to finish the rundown (I received 175 hours of XDN from one of CC's top auditors with Ron Shafran CSing on the house!!). When I was done, I thought that I was a sort of super human person with special abilities. I did not think that my body would age as I got older. As it turned out, I aged just like everyone else.
After I completed, a few wealthy public had some XDN run on them and then XDN seemed to be taken off the boards as far as promotion and sales were concerned. It was quickly dropped and no one was getting it. Shortly afterwards, I went to the Apollo. When I retuned two months later, I was out of the Sea Org and just public but I noticed that XDN was not being mentioned at CCLA. I don't even know if it was available even if someone requested it.
I've never understood why it was abandoned despite all the initial ballyhoo which it was given. Does Leon or some other tech maven have any knowledge of what was wrong with XDN such that it stopped being promoted and sold? Anyone, my 325 hours can probably be conceived as a part of the pilot project on Expanded Dianetic Auditing.
Lakey
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RogerB
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
You don't get the message, MAB. No wonder you piss people off . . .
YOu obviously have not lived in shark territory, nor encountered them in the wild, and nor had to be prudent about where and how you enjoyed your recreation in the context of their company.
ANd what is your idea of "excessive fear" versus prudence and caution when one is living life in the company of proven risk.
You're demonstrating you're so ivory tower and theoretic as to be unreal. If you think there's no threat . . . prove it by going and taking an extended dip where the last Oz shark attack occurred.
And you offend me by ranting on about "All the more so when the target of fear is another animal species. I've seen too many animals abused by 'macho' idiots out to prove their mastery of the natural world" as some sort of rebuttal of my notion of pointing out that prudence is advised when swimming in certain parts of the world.
What's that got to do with showing caution where you swim.
What's the "excessive fear" you rant on about got to do with prudence? Misidentifying the two shows a lack of differentiation, to say the least.
And by the way, your web search for stats on shark attack numbers is way off . . . the Discovery Channel documentary did raise the point that the areas with the most attacks actually don't report them . . . it's part of life to them.
R
With regard to your comments I did not make 'nothing of it', but I don't like to see excessive fear encouraged. [All the more so when the target of fear is another animal species. I've seen too many animals abused by 'macho' idiots out to prove their mastery of the natural world.
SNipped . . .
Mark A. Baker
You don't get the message, MAB. No wonder you piss people off . . .
YOu obviously have not lived in shark territory, nor encountered them in the wild, and nor had to be prudent about where and how you enjoyed your recreation in the context of their company.
ANd what is your idea of "excessive fear" versus prudence and caution when one is living life in the company of proven risk.
You're demonstrating you're so ivory tower and theoretic as to be unreal. If you think there's no threat . . . prove it by going and taking an extended dip where the last Oz shark attack occurred.
And you offend me by ranting on about "All the more so when the target of fear is another animal species. I've seen too many animals abused by 'macho' idiots out to prove their mastery of the natural world" as some sort of rebuttal of my notion of pointing out that prudence is advised when swimming in certain parts of the world.
What's that got to do with showing caution where you swim.
What's the "excessive fear" you rant on about got to do with prudence? Misidentifying the two shows a lack of differentiation, to say the least.
And by the way, your web search for stats on shark attack numbers is way off . . . the Discovery Channel documentary did raise the point that the areas with the most attacks actually don't report them . . . it's part of life to them.
R
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
This is a primal fear among us people. It links in to the basic game being played in this universe. Hatsy had a post on it a few weeks back.
This is a primal fear among us people. It links in to the basic game being played in this universe. Hatsy had a post on it a few weeks back.
Mark A. Baker
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Lived along the coasts of california & hawaii for most of the last 50 years, places known for their shark populations. Elsewhere in the u.s., also near the coast and native shark populations, for the remainder. I spent 5 years of my life blue water sailing on the pacific, atlantic oceans, the gulf of mexico, the caribbean and yellow seas experiencing frequent interactions with blue water shark populations. A year of that time was spent on research vessels conducting investigations into the marine biology in the north & south pacific which involved close up studies of shark populations.
My preference may have been to be ON the water, or UNDER the water, rather than IN the water, Rog. But I've spent a pretty fair amount of time IN, ON, & UNDER water, and especially shark infested portions of the pacific ocean, the which ocean is a personal love of mine. Try the "you don't know because you haven't been ... " routine on someone else.
All in all, I spent a fair amount of time among sharks, both the finned and the unfinned. Finned sharks are nowhere near as dangerous as the unfinned ones are. The finned ones may look scary, but they are neither looking for trouble or interested in much of anything other than a meal of fish or plankton. If they aren't confused over what appears to be a fish and what doesn't they aren't likely to attack.
People die or are injured through a seemingly endless number of accidents, incidents, & occurrences. Sharks aren't even a blip on the stat bar. Thousands more die from bee stings. Were it not for the superior design which they have evolved to fill their biological niche, and the human characteristic of FEAR of that which is unseen or unknown, they wouldn't figure prominently as fearsome figures of myth.
THAT is what the numbers show. Anything else is self-indulgent monster-mongering & fear-baiting.
I see no reason to apply granting of beingness just to humans. A respect for nature isn't compatible with killing or domesticating every species on the planet.
Sorry you are p!ssed. I don't much like it when people seek to vilify or demonize animals or other non-human species simply for being what they are.
Mark A. Baker
Lived along the coasts of california & hawaii for most of the last 50 years, places known for their shark populations. Elsewhere in the u.s., also near the coast and native shark populations, for the remainder. I spent 5 years of my life blue water sailing on the pacific, atlantic oceans, the gulf of mexico, the caribbean and yellow seas experiencing frequent interactions with blue water shark populations. A year of that time was spent on research vessels conducting investigations into the marine biology in the north & south pacific which involved close up studies of shark populations.
My preference may have been to be ON the water, or UNDER the water, rather than IN the water, Rog. But I've spent a pretty fair amount of time IN, ON, & UNDER water, and especially shark infested portions of the pacific ocean, the which ocean is a personal love of mine. Try the "you don't know because you haven't been ... " routine on someone else.
All in all, I spent a fair amount of time among sharks, both the finned and the unfinned. Finned sharks are nowhere near as dangerous as the unfinned ones are. The finned ones may look scary, but they are neither looking for trouble or interested in much of anything other than a meal of fish or plankton. If they aren't confused over what appears to be a fish and what doesn't they aren't likely to attack.
People die or are injured through a seemingly endless number of accidents, incidents, & occurrences. Sharks aren't even a blip on the stat bar. Thousands more die from bee stings. Were it not for the superior design which they have evolved to fill their biological niche, and the human characteristic of FEAR of that which is unseen or unknown, they wouldn't figure prominently as fearsome figures of myth.
THAT is what the numbers show. Anything else is self-indulgent monster-mongering & fear-baiting.
I see no reason to apply granting of beingness just to humans. A respect for nature isn't compatible with killing or domesticating every species on the planet.
Sorry you are p!ssed. I don't much like it when people seek to vilify or demonize animals or other non-human species simply for being what they are.
Mark A. Baker
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RogerB
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
MAB,
You still don't get it . . . you really are being obtuse.
Who's doing what you falsely accuse when you say? "(you) don't much like it when people vilify animals or other non-human species for being what they are. "
YOur assertions are about as silly as coming down on me if I warned folks to be prudent about walking haphazardly about alone and unarmed in lion or tiger country . . . . how is my warning about sharks or this example "vilifying animals" etc.
Of course they do what they do . . . that is why one needs treat them with respect.
That apart from my original on this issue being as much in jest and humor as anything.
R
MAB,
You still don't get it . . . you really are being obtuse.
Who's doing what you falsely accuse when you say? "(you) don't much like it when people vilify animals or other non-human species for being what they are. "
YOur assertions are about as silly as coming down on me if I warned folks to be prudent about walking haphazardly about alone and unarmed in lion or tiger country . . . . how is my warning about sharks or this example "vilifying animals" etc.
Of course they do what they do . . . that is why one needs treat them with respect.
That apart from my original on this issue being as much in jest and humor as anything.
R
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Re XDn:
I did the course back in the 1970's sometime, ran it on a few peoplpe after which it got sidelined as you describe. I never got to find out the official reason behind it - we were just told to stop delivering it and all of our XDn certs were cancelled (if I recall rightly) and a new course may have been coming out, or something on that order. I don't know for sure here.
Anyway then NED came out and all became apparent on WTF was going on with Dianetics. Standard Dianetics of the a969 variety was VERY good workhorse process that produced decent results routinely and occassionally one even got someting spectacular. Then they issued it as a book called Dianetics Today and this effectively put all of it into the public domain and anyone, trained or not, was free to practice it in the field.
Oh Fuck! Someone on Flag woke up too late. So in order to solve the problem they took Stabndard Dianetics and rehashed it and mixed it up with the double- and treble-assessment techniques of XDn and stirred in a lot of other bullshit and packaged it as NED, thereby effectively declaring Std Dns "old" and "no longer used". Only trouble now was that the new guys trying to learn NED did not have the communication skills or metering skills that are required for doing those assessments proplery and so that had to be remedied with a special metering course, and they couldn't do that easily and so they put in a special "hard" TRs course which turned them into staring idiots and so the whole thing fucked up completely.
But what the hell - LRH "cognited" that the reason these preclears who were all having difficulty running Dianetics was because they were all Clear in the first place and so Whooppeee! All was sorted out. Happy days.
So metered Dianetics went back into the too hard basket and wallowed about there until John Galusha hauled out Book One and compiled a workable course on that and the CofS used that to replace the other stuff and went down that line.
Then out in the field Robert Ducharme did his stuff and called it R3X and for the first time we had a significant improvement on Standard Dianetics. It is way far hugely amazingly superior to any other Dianetics the CofS ever had, and from that vantage point one can look back and I reckon that what happened to XDn was probably that by using the Standard Dianetic approach of just two passes through an incident before going earlier they built up unhandled BPC on the guys and when this piled up a little they went into not-is and dub-in of their actual track and dubbed in cognitions and erasures and so on and reults went down the tubes. Of course, no one could actually say that XDn wasn't working so they just sidelined it. "Not used now"
This too underlies the odd idea that the Reactive Mind is not something real. Some guys think it is a sort of theoreical construct that LRH cooked up in order to fleece money off people. In fact it is very, very real and can BITE like a BIG SHARK! if you don't handle it correctly. But you need to get into it before you realise that fully.
R3X is probably the best workhorse go-anywhere do-anything process that has ever existed in Scio's history. It is a great pity that more people don't use it, though newbies need to be eased into it slowly. I have had wonderful results with it, both as a pc and as an auditor.
Re XDn:
I did the course back in the 1970's sometime, ran it on a few peoplpe after which it got sidelined as you describe. I never got to find out the official reason behind it - we were just told to stop delivering it and all of our XDn certs were cancelled (if I recall rightly) and a new course may have been coming out, or something on that order. I don't know for sure here.
Anyway then NED came out and all became apparent on WTF was going on with Dianetics. Standard Dianetics of the a969 variety was VERY good workhorse process that produced decent results routinely and occassionally one even got someting spectacular. Then they issued it as a book called Dianetics Today and this effectively put all of it into the public domain and anyone, trained or not, was free to practice it in the field.
Oh Fuck! Someone on Flag woke up too late. So in order to solve the problem they took Stabndard Dianetics and rehashed it and mixed it up with the double- and treble-assessment techniques of XDn and stirred in a lot of other bullshit and packaged it as NED, thereby effectively declaring Std Dns "old" and "no longer used". Only trouble now was that the new guys trying to learn NED did not have the communication skills or metering skills that are required for doing those assessments proplery and so that had to be remedied with a special metering course, and they couldn't do that easily and so they put in a special "hard" TRs course which turned them into staring idiots and so the whole thing fucked up completely.
But what the hell - LRH "cognited" that the reason these preclears who were all having difficulty running Dianetics was because they were all Clear in the first place and so Whooppeee! All was sorted out. Happy days.
So metered Dianetics went back into the too hard basket and wallowed about there until John Galusha hauled out Book One and compiled a workable course on that and the CofS used that to replace the other stuff and went down that line.
Then out in the field Robert Ducharme did his stuff and called it R3X and for the first time we had a significant improvement on Standard Dianetics. It is way far hugely amazingly superior to any other Dianetics the CofS ever had, and from that vantage point one can look back and I reckon that what happened to XDn was probably that by using the Standard Dianetic approach of just two passes through an incident before going earlier they built up unhandled BPC on the guys and when this piled up a little they went into not-is and dub-in of their actual track and dubbed in cognitions and erasures and so on and reults went down the tubes. Of course, no one could actually say that XDn wasn't working so they just sidelined it. "Not used now"
This too underlies the odd idea that the Reactive Mind is not something real. Some guys think it is a sort of theoreical construct that LRH cooked up in order to fleece money off people. In fact it is very, very real and can BITE like a BIG SHARK! if you don't handle it correctly. But you need to get into it before you realise that fully.
R3X is probably the best workhorse go-anywhere do-anything process that has ever existed in Scio's history. It is a great pity that more people don't use it, though newbies need to be eased into it slowly. I have had wonderful results with it, both as a pc and as an auditor.
Mark A. Baker
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Ted
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Speaking of Big Scary Things...
"A South African court has blocked the government from buying 11 million Chinese condoms, saying they are too small, a newspaper reported Friday. [...]"
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"A South African court has blocked the government from buying 11 million Chinese condoms, saying they are too small, a newspaper reported Friday. [...]"
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And Now A Word About the Little Swimmers
DO NOT WANT
Sperm Bank to Redheads: Keep Your Semen to Yourself
By Nick Greene Sat., Sep. 17 2011 at 11:28 AM
Cryos, a Danish network of sperm banks with clinics around the world, has stopped taking donations from men with red hair. The Telegraph reports that there is a low demand internationally for redheaded sperm donors. Cryos has received more donations recently than ever before, allowing them to be pickier than usual.
Don't worry, redheads, you can still masturbate for fun. :dancer:
Ole Schou, Cryos's director, told Danish newspaper Ekstrablade, "There are too many redheads in relation to demand. I do not think you choose a redhead, unless the partner--for example, the sterile male--has red hair, or because the lone woman has a preference for redheads. And that's perhaps not so many, especially in the latter case." According to Schlou, the only nation where sperm from redheads is in demand is Ireland.
Cyros' stores have reached their limit--a healthy 70 liters at each clinic--and there is a 600-person waiting list to donate.
Redheads need not apply.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/09/sperm_bank_to_r.php
DO NOT WANT
Sperm Bank to Redheads: Keep Your Semen to Yourself
By Nick Greene Sat., Sep. 17 2011 at 11:28 AM
Cryos, a Danish network of sperm banks with clinics around the world, has stopped taking donations from men with red hair. The Telegraph reports that there is a low demand internationally for redheaded sperm donors. Cryos has received more donations recently than ever before, allowing them to be pickier than usual.
Don't worry, redheads, you can still masturbate for fun. :dancer:
Ole Schou, Cryos's director, told Danish newspaper Ekstrablade, "There are too many redheads in relation to demand. I do not think you choose a redhead, unless the partner--for example, the sterile male--has red hair, or because the lone woman has a preference for redheads. And that's perhaps not so many, especially in the latter case." According to Schlou, the only nation where sperm from redheads is in demand is Ireland.
Cyros' stores have reached their limit--a healthy 70 liters at each clinic--and there is a 600-person waiting list to donate.
Redheads need not apply.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/09/sperm_bank_to_r.php
Mark A. Baker
Sponsor
Re: Speaking of Big Scary Things...
Sounds like a bit of over-blown nationalist promotional fervor to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9ZjOCSLYlc
Mark A. Baker
"A South African court has blocked the government from buying 11 million Chinese condoms, saying they are too small, a newspaper reported Friday. [...]"
Chinese condoms too small for South Africans: report
http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-condoms-too-small-south-africans-report-103954238.html
Sounds like a bit of over-blown nationalist promotional fervor to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9ZjOCSLYlc
Mark A. Baker
FoTi
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
TSA gropin' NFL game attendees....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIQ2d5Lu2AA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYC9meDu6nU
TSA gropin' NFL game attendees....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIQ2d5Lu2AA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYC9meDu6nU
Hatshepsut
Crusader
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Hatshepsut
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Groping NFL game attendees? With all that testosterone geared up for the game? Now Way.
Groping NFL game attendees? With all that testosterone geared up for the game? Now Way.
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Hatshepsut
Crusader
Re: Speaking of Big Scary Things...
Whaaaat a loss for you guys. What BS.
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Whaaaat a loss for you guys. What BS.
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