The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[Jachs]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

The six positions process was developed to do this I believe.. I saw the great video of Phil Spickler explaining it's genus. That's getting the incident and putting it above you, putting it below you, to the left, to the .....etc.

Was Six position a Hubbard invention?

can you recall where Phils vid is?

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?20466-new-video-with-Phil-Spickler-–-Oct-18-2010


It's the 5th video where he is talking about a new way to make 1950s Clears. He is describing a process. Hold it still. Keep it from going away. Make it a little more solid. This is added on to the prior commands of "put it above you" 'Put it behind you" Put it to the left of you....etc covering six postions. It is around the 10:50 minute mark. You can use an incident instead and not the suggested 'cube' or object..

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7skCdp5oTIE&feature=related

FoTi - Look at the bright side of things. You say it happened in a restaurant, well at least the spider did not emerge from your food, such as out of a soup or salad bowl!! Also, this looks like fodder for a great new sci fi movie. Perhaps it could be called, "The Invasion of the Restaurant Spiders."
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Was Six position a Hubbard invention?

can you recall where Phils vid is?

There is a very large number of Freezone and Indie Scn videos made by Tatiana, the Russian ex-scio who lives in Silicon Valley in Northern Cal.

There are videos of dozens of Freezone and Indy people including Phil Spickler, our own Purple Haze, Pierre Ethier, Ken Urquhart, Johnny the Magic Thetan, Diana Class VIII, and dozens of others, including me (4 videos).

To view them, all you have to do is to log onto youtube and then enter the person's name in the youtube searchbox, i.e. Phil Spickler, Independent Scientologist. Tatiana also has her own ex scio website which probably contains all the videos. A link to that is http://community.freezone-tech.info/times/
Lakey

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This is too cool for school.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...as-seen-from-International-Space-Station.html

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Maybe this is something that might perk your interest. I know of some LRH lectures where he went down this path. They're really interesting and memorable for me.

". . . there is no such thing as a mental image picture."

. . .

"So we do have one improper word in Scientology and that is facsimile. I don't know what we'd call it -- call it a thinnie, I guess.

All it is necessary to do is to bring one into a state of mind himself whereby he is willing to confront those pictures--thinnies, old universes, old places where he wouldn't be before. All we've got to do is put him up into a state of mind, either by confronting them or by some other artificial means whereby he's willing to confront them, and we have a Clear. Boom!"

5707C15 Theory and Definition of Auditing (last minutes of tape)
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and this one too: 5708c01 Thinnies (the whole tape)

Both are in 18th ACC (Illusion or Truth cassettes). I remember the first tape was on the older Class 4 and 6 checksheets. The second lecture is a really interesting slant on what auditing might actually be and how it works.

Generally, he speaks about how every moment that has ever happened still exists as it was and has just grown "thin." We, ourselves, "thin" the moments by our unwillingness to look at them. But they're all still sitting there, just thinner. And we plaster and leave our viewpoints as we go. Auditing is reclaiming those viewpoints, in a sense.

The lectures go into a lot more detail about all this. Worth as visit if you're interested in this line of theory.

ILove2Lurk

Thanks, IL2L. I believe that I heard the first of the two tapes you are writing about, probably around 2007.

Thinking a bit more about time being postulated as a means for us to gain separation from unwanted events, many of us seem to have a vast amount of interest in the subject.

Without time, there is no movement. Maybe a being can postulate a change of scene without time passage occuring. However, once the concept of "prior" comes about, "prior" and "after" mandate the concept of time.

Maybe, initially, there can be a scene change with no flow of time occuring. A being changes its scenery from A to B. There was no time passage in A and there is no time passage in B. The being's scenery is now B and the being does not automatically remember scene A. Of course, the being could remember scene A if it wanted to. Even if the being "remembers" A, time probably does not have to exist. It is only when the concept emerges that A was prior to B or vice versa, does time seem to enter in.

To have a time flow there must be a continuous movement between an observer and one or more other objects

Without time, it appears difficult to get away from unpleasant scenarios. Probably the only way to do it would be to reduce perception or consciousness. With a permanently flowing time stream, unpleasantries can move away from a being without the being itself moving. If this was the way that things were set up, beings would probably not have "cases".

One's "case" seems to enter in because beings appear to make and hold on to recordings of every instant of their beingness. If, beings are not actually recording pictures, as you are suggesting (based on LRH's 1957 lectures), then a being in this universe could be looked at as being 4 dimensional, with time being the 4th dimension, much in the mode of Einstein's model.
Lakey

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

FoTi - Look at the bright side of things. You say it happened in a restaurant, well at least the spider did not emerge from your food, such as out of a soup or salad bowl!! Also, this looks like fodder for a great new sci fi movie. Perhaps it could be called, "The Invasion of the Restaurant Spiders."
Lakey

Lakey, I didn't say it happened in a restaurant.....it didn't happen to me.....the video said that. This is a video from Youtube. I just posted it here as a kind of warning for people to be careful of what might lurk out of sight.

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

FoTi you have ESP!!!!

I cannot believe you posted that!

I just came out of the bathroom at my apartment.... thought I must be paranoid to always check for spiders. I have a horrific fear of those giant wolf spiders. I ALWAYS lift up the seat to check. ALWAYS. There was one of these monsters on the inside of the bathroom door last month. Then I woke up later and there was one hanging upside down on the blade of the ceiling fan. Earlier than this I found on under the purse I had laying on the floor for a month. I went out and bought the spider spray. The ant and roach killer won't work on the nervous system of these big guys. And they are so heavy in the middle that they often can be heard to fall with a thud from ceiling or while climbing a wall because they are so meaty. Now your video has me all creeped out again. I'm always checking my walls in this house. Never open a cupboard unnecessarily.

Florida here on the lake under all these trees we have all kinds of spiders. I spent a few weeks sealing everything. Caulking everything. Putting plastic over the windows. Putting door sweeps on the bottom of doors. Putting seal around the door cracks. Great Stuff around the pipes.....It has been three weeks since my last catch. Phew

No, you're not paranoid.

Here's some things to consider.....other people's remedies.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090525203707AArZCAN

http://www.ehow.com/how_7732481_kill-wolf-spiders-yard.html

I didn't have much of a problem with bugs in Florida. I have been using food grade diatomaceous earth wherever I lived over the past 13 or 14 years. I put it all around the baseboards in every room and around every door and window. I use a puffer and spray it in all closets and all drawers and whenever I store anything away I always puff some into the box or bag that I am storing it in. Can also puff it into shoes when putting them away. It's non toxic to humans and pets.....people and pets can eat it.....it's used to deworm or get rid of parasites. It cuts insects like finely ground glass....they lose their body fluids and die. Last I ordered some was a couple of years ago.....it was 50 lbs for $22.50 plus shipping. I got together with someone else and we split the order. I got it from Seven Springs Farm www.7springsfarm.com 800-651-3228. I think when I ordered I got something like 20 lbs for $20 which included shipping and split it with another lady, so it only cost us each $10 and we each got 10 lbs of it. I still have lots left for years to come. I never have the same bug problems my neighbors have because I always keep this all over the house. It's good to de-flea dogs and cats with too....you just want to rub it in their fur, but do it ouside, otherwise the fleas will jump off the animal and be all over your house, into the rugs, etc.

If you decide to try this make sure that you get FOOD GRADE.....not the diatomaceous earth that is used for swimming pools....that stuff is toxic. If you put this stuff all over your house, it will kill all bugs. Spiders come looking/hunting for food. If you have no insects in your house for them to eat, they won't come. Just make sure not to breathe this fine dust/powder....it's not good for the lungs, like any other fine dirt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=RQn6GSHNzBE

Recently I found out something interesting re: ants. I read that canola oil is used in insecticides. I always had an ant trail crossing my path outside my front door and thought I'd try the canola oil. I sprayed it all around the edge of my walkway. Ants disappeared and have never come back for the last couple of months. Don't know if this would have any effect on spiders, though. It might be interesting to see if spraying canola oil on Fire Ants would have any effect on them.

Here is a site that has a puffer or a duster that you can use to spray the food grade diatomaceous earth into cracks and crevices and closets and drawers,etc.

http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/de_dusters.html

Anyway, hope some of this might help your spider problem.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Wow. I checked out all of the links. Thanks so much. Diatomaceous earth....food grade. Will get..

 

[Leon]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

For some people it is not the location or the space that rekindles and brings back the memory. It is running into the exact same person from the past. The correct incidentals will come back up from being exposed to the being's wavelength or whatever. There are a lot of things we are not supposed to remember or past areas we might have all taken an oath NOT to recall. Like times just before going into universes or bodies etc. We close out one cycle so the new one can have it's own integrity. The bummer is that there are, I believe, machinery installed in the mind just in case we break those oaths and change our minds.

How many of us have seen families where you just KNEW this was a karmic cluster travelling arouond the time line. One can feel the suppressions and issues between the members which are private scripts long standing. And there is no way that each being creating his own space and putting out his own anchors isn't triggering others to stay within the agreed network of dramatizations.. Of course many leave the family unit ASAP as the whole deal seems like an out list from the get go.

For me its often pictures from a magazine or images on the TV that cause a reviv for me and knock me back somewhere in time. The whole scenario with the pre setup history and personal emotions comes into my awareness. There have been some rough times when running into an individual acted as direct contact with a previous set of anchor points. We are universes unto ourselves putting out points in space....and we absorb pieces of each other through overwhelmings I guess.

I've had some memories turn on this way which I probably would never have recalled normally as they would have been deliberately obscured from the human mind and would not have made it past the filters. And if they had've I would not have understood what I was viewing. But because the person who was a past antagonist was now right there in front of me the series of carnages would begin to surface and free roll in my mind. I guess from the perspective that everything that ever happened is really still in present time (the only time) and that we postulate time and space to put distance between these things, it could make sense. The jogging of buried memory when running into another when known before this life.

I had memories come up that were not human. They could not be processed from a person centered perspective even. I even got terrible somatics turn on having to do with other human types mincing genetic species between 13000 and 6000 yrs ago. The memories were about people who looked so much like 'us' while operating on the planet that you would not know they were alien agents without scrutiny. (and not much has changed today) Only the emotions coming up and the fear would tweak your recall.

I had tried to write a clearer post than this but I lost it while writing it 2 days ago. I decided to contribute the gist of it anyhow. Then, yesterday a serendipitous thing happened. I found this clip describing what surfaced when being exposed to the same beings I'd known long ago around the Aegean. Leon's comments about Casablanca prompted me to reply to the above posts .

Have finally had the time to look at this viddy again. I saw it first some time earlier this yer when going through a lot of Farrel's vids.

But re the indicated portion - my take on it is that Farrel is confusing several different groups and seeing them all as one. By doing that their differing agendas seem contradictory and confusing.

There is one group who have us as a prison, just like LRH claimed. Though the scenario he portrays for this I don't think is fully accurate for everyone. But the basics of it, yes, we are a prison and a dumping ground fo unwanted thetans.

But then there is also another group who is more well-intentioned towards us. They saw that theta on this planet was pretty much condemned by its stuckness into inferior body types and concoommitant food-cycle which had no prospect of developing into anything worthwhile as a civilization. So they intervened at various places on the planet and genetically modified out bodies and also various food plants and animals and made development possible. You can read more about this in Lloyd Pye's work which I have referred to before on these pages. Google his name.

And then there is the War In Heaven Thecrats group - they exist in various other dimensions. They are plaing the universe game of absorbing other life-forms to an extreme degree. We are dramatizng this ourselves too to a large extent. This crowd represents the main danger as far as life is concerned.

And there are others too who have an interest in how and what we are doing. They have various agendas themselves, some for research, some for a need of genetic material, some for nothing more than curiosity. All these present themselves, or keep themselves hidden and obscure, from time to time and place to place. one of them really wants to be known directly at this time.

Farrel sees them all as one single outfit and this is what leads to his confusion.

That's my take on it all.

 

[Ted]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Have finally had the time to look at this viddy again. I saw it first some time earlier this yer when going through a lot of Farrel's vids.

But re the indicated portion - my take on it is that Farrel is confusing several different groups and seeing them all as one. By doing that their differing agendas seem contradictory and confusing.

There is one group who have us as a prison, just like LRH claimed. Though the scenario he portrays for this I don't think is fully accurate for everyone. But the basics of it, yes, we are a prison and a dumping ground fo unwanted thetans.

But then there is also another group who is more well-intentioned towards us. They saw that theta on this planet was pretty much condemned by its stuckness into inferior body types and concoommitant food-cycle which had no prospect of developing into anything worthwhile as a civilization. So they intervened at various places on the planet and genetically modified out bodies and also various food plants and animals and made development possible. You can read more about this in Lloyd Pye's work which I have referred to before on these pages. Google his name.

And then there is the War In Heaven Thecrats group - they exist in various other dimensions. They are plaing the universe game of absorbing other life-forms to an extreme degree. We are dramatizng this ourselves too to a large extent. This crowd represents the main danger as far as life is concerned.

And there are others too who have an interest in how and what we are doing. They have various agendas themselves, some for research, some for a need of genetic material, some for nothing more than curiosity. All these present themselves, or keep themselves hidden and obscure, from time to time and place to place. one of them really wants to be known directly at this time.

Farrel sees them all as one single outfit and this is what leads to his confusion.

That's my take on it all.

And rational it is.

Thanks.

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Wow. I checked out all of the links. Thanks so much. Diatomaceous earth....food grade. Will get..

Yeh....you're welcome.

I don't believe this....but.....last night, I went to take a shower and when I pulled the shower curtain back there was a big black spider in my bathtub. Where the hell did that come from? Now I'm going to be more careful and look under the toilet seat before I use it. I surmised it must have come through a vent or where the pipes come into the bathroom.

As soon as I saw him I sprayed him with my spray bottle of "The Solution" that I get from Clearwater Herbs. http://www.clearwaterherbs.com/Specialty/The-Solution.html 727-447-0415 What it does to insects is.....it interferes with their breathing....they suffocate very quickly.....doesn't hurt people or pets.....just insects. The spider curled up and died within a matter of about 30 seconds. I have also used The Solution for many years. Forgot to mention this when I posted about the diatomaceous earth.

The Solution and the diatomaceous earth have handled all of my bug problems very quickly and easily for many years now.

 

[Jachs]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?20466-new-video-with-Phil-Spickler-–-Oct-18-2010


It's the 5th video where he is talking about a new way to make 1950s Clears. He is describing a process. Hold it still. Keep it from going away. Make it a little more solid. This is added on to the prior commands of "put it above you" 'Put it behind you" Put it to the left of you....etc covering six postions. It is around the 10:50 minute mark. You can use an incident instead and not the suggested 'cube' or object..

Cheers for the vids.

Although , Hold it still. Keep it from going away. Make it a little more solid are in the assit pack, i can't recall seeing the 6 position in there.

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?20466-new-video-with-Phil-Spickler-–-Oct-18-2010


It's the 5th video where he is talking about a new way to make 1950s Clears. He is describing a process. Hold it still. Keep it from going away. Make it a little more solid. This is added on to the prior commands of "put it above you" 'Put it behind you" Put it to the left of you....etc covering six postions. It is around the 10:50 minute mark. You can use an incident instead and not the suggested 'cube' or object..

On the "Hold it Still" process

P.S. I was public then and not staff. I'm not sure if they sent me home. Once the session was over, I could stay or leave or do what ever I wanted to do.

Back in 1970 when I was a newby, I was getting my first auditing at CCLA. I came down with a cold and was running a fever. My auditor sent this info in to the C/S and I was CSed to run the "Hold it Still" process.

My auditor said that it was a new process just in from Flag which could be helpful for getting rid of a fever. The process had to do with looking around the body and/or the room and finding something and describing it to the auditor. The auditor then gave the command, "Hold it still."

As I recall, the process did not really bite on me. It was run a short time to a small F/N and then I was told to go home and get to bed. Maybe I was given a touch assist before leaving the Org, I don't remember. The cold ran its course in about 3 days. I did not think the process had any special effect on the fever.
Lakey

P.S. - At the time I was public and not staff. I am not sure if they sent me home. At session's end I was free to stay or leave, whatever I wanted to do.

 

[Leon]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

HIS, KIFGA and MIALMS are really good processes IF the auditor can get the preclear to fully participate in them and not just do them conceptually. That is usually the reason for them to "fail". But they are superb as assists and for taking command over the bank automaticities.

 

[Ted]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

HIS, KIFGA and MIALMS are really good processes IF the auditor can get the preclear to fully participate in them and not just do them conceptually. That is usually the reason for them to "fail". But they are superb as assists and for taking command over the bank automaticities.

You have just stated the key to success with any process.

For example, many people know the "Clear cog," that does not make them Clear by any definition.

Some people approach a process as if it is an affront to their person, like it might be great for some people, but they don't need to do it. Fine. Get or formulate a new C/S.

In my estimation, processes are best approached as challenges or exercises. It is one thing to get the idea of running a marathon; it is quite something else to actually run one. It is one thing to get the idea of having a Clear cog or any other EP, and quite something else to run the course and attain it.

Considering the arguments that I see concerning Clear, Clearing, etc., I am not into that. My point is simply this: Run the course and get the gains to be had--if any--or just talk and intellectualize about it, and get none. Properly run, the assist processes mentioned above have been known to break a fever, but the auditor has to commit to running the process for that purpose. Ending on a tiny F/N might be all the pc can take. Then break, let the pc rest, and continue the process later.

 

[Leon]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Yep

 

[Jachs]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

And then there is the War In Heaven Thecrats group - they exist in various other dimensions. They are plaing the universe game of absorbing other life-forms to an extreme degree. We are dramatizng this ourselves too to a large extent. This crowd represents the main danger as far as life is concerned.

That's my take on it all.

I googled War In Heaven Thecrats group~ nothing came up..

any links?

How do they absorb consciousness?

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I googled War In Heaven Thecrats group~ nothing came up..

any links?

How do they absorb consciousness?

Hehehehehehehehehehe

You be comin up my alley there Jachs.


These Theocrats are my pet peeve. I have run into them this year. They are a megacluster. A conglomerate. Their purpose is to absorb more consciousness. It 's like an energy food or loosh that keeps it from going stagnate. the layers of etheric bodies we have collapsed into our physical one here causes a natural engergy feedback loop for us while we live. Those who do not incarnate cannot feed this ego conscious self they once had. They are out of the loop so to speak. A lot of people are harangued into joining as they have lost their ability to move around after death. The intentions of one person are magnified by all other viewpoints in the group which makes them dangerous. No respect for the rights of a being. Those sovereign rights. Uncanny things happened when I ran into these masses of beings. First off there's a bunch of wackos adjoined to the megathing because of the death engrams and the mega group death engrams. The feeding zone seems to be over battlefields and inquisitions and bloody crusades. That's where the pickins are finest.

The space game:

I noticed the same thing with the theorcrats as I did with running OT III.
To have a viewpoint of dimension, some postulated space must be in there as part of the equation. There are these attempts to occupy or own the entire unified field. To be ALL-SPACE. To be ubiquitous. To have everything within the delineated zone be a 'subset' of particles belonging to the holders of that space. That means 'property'. When I was confronting someone earlier this year using this MO I really felt helpless. I could not figure how they could be so OT that their intention flooded over me like red wine being absorbed when spilled on the fibers of a white linen tablecloth. My entire space felt saturated by their presence. Then I realized it was an alien tactic I'd seen before.

I asked myself."What intention of mine is this person countering" I mean in order to feel the problem I was experiencing there had to be a game of intention and counter intention....or WILL. Any how answering the query..... the proper "vectors' came back in. I had my OWN vector having a problem with an intention sourced from another vector. The illusion of the blanketing 'allspace' bubble popped. Beware of anyone who purports to have saturated the quantum field with their 'selfness' and that you operating within that field are a 'thing' subject to their intentions. Those intentions can be mighty strong as they are being fed by many deluded clingers on.

These Theocrats are described here in the book The War in Heaven The Invisible College by Kyle Griffith.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...-Kyle-Griffith&p=226770&viewfull=1#post226770


This is the link gotten from Post by Div 6 back in April.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/warinheaven/warheaven-III.htm

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

You have just stated the key to success with any process.

For example, many people know the "Clear cog," that does not make them Clear by any definition.

Some people approach a process as if it is an affront to their person, like it might be great for some people, but they don't need to do it. Fine. Get or formulate a new C/S.

In my estimation, processes are best approached as challenges or exercises. It is one thing to get the idea of running a marathon; it is quite something else to actually run one. It is one thing to get the idea of having a Clear cog or any other EP, and quite something else to run the course and attain it.

Considering the arguments that I see concerning Clear, Clearing, etc., I am not into that. My point is simply this: Run the course and get the gains to be had--if any--or just talk and intellectualize about it, and get none. Properly run, the assist processes mentioned above have been known to break a fever, but the auditor has to commit to running the process for that purpose. Ending on a tiny F/N might be all the pc can take. Then break, let the pc rest, and continue the process later.

Very well stated, Ted.


Mark A. Baker