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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

SchwimmelPuckel said:
Wait a f.. minute!!!
NAY!!!​

Naysayers to what exactly? - Wins from doing book & bottle? Or people reporting to not have cancer because they smoked enough to prevent it? - Or ungrateful basterds who don't appreciete the camaraderie they had in the Sinister Scam Cult of Scientology?

Bashers of whom? - Hubbard? - That inglorious son of a bitch NEEDs to be bashed, as a remedy for public health!

:melodramatic:
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Notice that I said that this thread does not lend itself to naysayers and bashers. It does not say that they do not post here. Two things to note: First, a lot of the naysaying is valid criticism and we ourselves do a lot of it. Second, I am not saying that naysayers are not welcome here because we welcome them with open arms. My point was only that we don't seem to attract them. They point out negatives as you just did, we acknowledge you for that and discuss it with you if it catches our attention.

This type of matter of fact discourse just doesn't seem to attract very many bashers to become regulars here. I participate on the basher type threads and most of the posters there seem to enjoy reinforcement with other people of their same ilk, jockeying to make the funniest, most creative and often off color bashes. Many of the things said are based on validpoints and sometimes the bashing is extremely humorous - although often at some else's expense. A reader can have his chuckles for the day and get his reinforcement to support his attitudes and opinions but usually, though not always, no boats are permanently raised.

It is often short term gratification and relief but seldom produces change or new awarenesses whereas IMO, on this thread one is much more likely to learn new things.
Lakey
 
True Story of a Naysayer's Redemption

lkwdblds said:
Notice that I said that this thread does not lend itself to naysayers and bashers. It does not say that they do not post here. Two things to note: First, a lot of the naysaying is valid criticism and we ourselves do a lot of it. Second, I am not saying that naysayers are not welcome here because we welcome them with open arms. My point was only that we don't seem to attract them. They point out negatives as you just did, we acknowledge you for that and discuss it with you if it catches our attention.

This type of matter of fact discourse just doesn't seem to attract very many bashers to become regulars here. I participate on the basher type threads and most of the posters there seem to enjoy reinforcement with other people of their same ilk, jockeying to make the funniest, most creative and often off color bashes. Many of the things said are based on validpoints and sometimes the bashing is extremely humorous - although often at some else's expense. A reader can have his chuckles for the day and get his reinforcement to support his attitudes and opinions but usually, though not always, no boats are permanently raised.

It is often short term gratification and relief but seldom produces change or new awarenesses whereas IMO, on this thread one is much more likely to learn new things.
Lakey
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This is a TRUE STORY about a NAYSAYER. It will be disturbing to the faint of heart, so don't play it unless, you can really handle reality breaks down to the core of your being. It, definitely, should not be listened to by anyone under 12. If Hannibal Lechter gives you the willies, don't even press play. The content is definitely for Mature Audiences Only. You have been warned.

[video=youtube;TsOF0cXxHxU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsOF0cXxHxU&feature=related[/video]
 
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Jachs said:
Have you guys have got some compound interest thing going here??

I suggest a power hat write up :wink2:

Not too far fetched to see a million views soon.
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Thanks for mentioning this, Jachs! I have written up some of the more obvious tactics which I used. Carmello has mentioned his opinions on that as well - especially in his last few posts.

I know that topic selection is important as is a projection of sincerity and honesty. Many people are attracted to the videos of the great entertainment stars of the past and also to great scenic photographs and family photos which Carmelo, Hats and others specialize in. In the beginning, a lot of people were really interested in the goings on at Celebrity Center, ASHO and AOLA in the early 70's.

The first celebrity that Carmelo and I realized we both liked was Jack Benny! That guy was an original!!! There never was nor will there ever be another one like him. We did our early clowning around using Jack.

One dirty little technical trick that I picked up and is now pretty well known is that when you see the thread petering out, you can just go in and make a post which has as its main purpose the bringing of the thread up near the front of all the threads whcih are being read. I employed this tactic in the beginning but no longer have to do it since the thread is now self generating.

I think we will make 1 million late next year but you never know. Sometimes a block of 90 or 100 people sign on here enmasse and read for hours. I would really like to know who they are and what they are seeking here but probably never will find out.
Lakey
 
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Commander Birdsong said:
yes lakey, dresden is widely regarded among us as a horrible and egregious atrocity and war crime. but it was a legitimate target, more for tactical reasons than strategic as it was directly to the fore of the center group of the red army. but the impetus was probably more punitive than military. i forget the name of the british air marshal but he was reputed to be a grand slam redoubled in the suit of bastards, utter sangfroid, a guy on our side solely by reason of geography who would been no different had he been born in dortmund and served under goering. what the hell. i suppose the biggest reason i have a great love of history is that it's not current events.
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I think the British Air Force Officer who wanted Dresden destroyed was named Harris. I see that we are basically in agreement on this. I have a real soft spot in my heart for Germany and also the cities of Leipzig and Dresden. When I first read about the Dresden air raids as a teen ager, I had some strong reactions in the pit of my stomach. Probably, I had some past lives there or somesuch. I don't remember any such thing but in 2009 I traveled from Berlin to Prague by train and we went through both Dresden and Leipzig. It was very thrilling.

The city of Dresden probably was not rebuilt that much when it was in East Germany so after reunification with Germany in 1989 a complete rebuild has been done. One thing I was glad to see is that the City still looks old, the older type architecture has been preserved to a significant degree.

I checked on Wikepedia and considerable rebuilding was done when Dresden was in East Germany.
Lakey
 
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lkwdblds said:
Thanks for mentioning this, Jachs! I have written up some of the more obvious tactics which I used. Carmello has mentioned his opinions on that as well - especially in his last few posts.

I know that topic selection is important as is a projection of sincerity and honesty. Many people are attracted to the videos of the great entertainment stars of the past and also to great scenic photographs and family photos which Carmelo, Hats and others specialize in. In the beginning, a lot of people were really interested in the goings on at Celebrity Center, ASHO and AOLA in the early 70's.

The first celebrity that Carmelo and I realized we both liked was Jack Benny! That guy was an original!!! There never was nor will there ever be another one like him. We did our early clowning around using Jack.

One dirty little technical trick that I picked up and is now pretty well known is that when you see the thread petering out, you can just go in and make a post which has as its main purpose the bringing of the thread up near the front of all the threads whcih are being read. I employed this tactic in the beginning but no longer have to do it since the thread is now self generating.

I think we will make 1 million late next year but you never know. Sometimes a block of 90 or 100 people sign on here enmasse and read for hours. I would really like to know who they are and what they are seeking here but probably never will find out.
Lakey
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here is some of Jack's hat write up (funny)

[video=youtube;OglGCrYUTzM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OglGCrYUTzM[/video]
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

lkwdblds said:
I think the British Air Force Officer who wanted Dresden destroyed was named Harris. I see that we are basically in agreement on this. I have a real soft spot in my heart for Germany and also the cities of Leipzig and Dresden. When I first read about the Dresden air raids as a teen ager, I had some strong reactions in the pit of my stomach. Probably, I had some past lives there or somesuch. I don't remember any such thing but in 2009 I traveled from Berlin to Prague by train and we went through both Dresden and Leipzig. It was very thrilling.

The city of Dresden probably was not rebuilt that much when it was in East Germany so after reunification with Germany in 1989 a complete rebuild has been done. One thing I was glad to see is that the City still looks old, the older type architecture has been preserved to a significant degree.

I checked on Wikepedia and considerable rebuilding was done when Dresden was in East Germany.
Lakey
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Yes the Brit in charge of the English bomber air-fleet was nicknamed "Bomber Harrison" . . . but don't blame him (alone) . . . most of the planes and crews involved at that stage of the war against Germany were American and the Allied Supreme Commander was an American.

And again, you should note that the Brits had no part in the fire bombing of the Japanese cities and civilians . . . that was American think.

The Hollywood version of history has Bomber Harrison demanding resources to "bomb Jerry into submission" in his fight for resources against Dowding who was Chief of Fighter Command . . . but that was earlier in the war '40-'41 before we (I consider myself a Brit in these things since I remember those days) shot the Germans out of our skies over S.E England. And it was Fighter Command who did it.

And yes, the civilian deaths in Dresden as in the cities of Japan were vicious and saddening, even sickening . . . . BUT, one should take into consideration that Dresden was the center of Germany's ball-bearing and other war materials production.

As you say, Dresden is in East Germany (way east, near the Czech-Poland border) . . . that's a bloody long way to fly to bomb civilians and also to bomb a town/city of no social fame . . . like who'd heard of Dresden before it was bombed? There are lots of more famous cities to have gotten the attention of the propaganda machine that are hundreds of miles closer in flying to have done a "civilian bombing" on.

No, Dresden was an unfortunate military target for those who lived and worked those factories . . . and it was known due to reports from intrepid resident spies that the Nazis had moved their ball-bearing and other military production resources into the city both to hide them and to shelter them among the civilians.

It was rather like when the Nazis bombed Coventry a couple of years before . . . it was the center of truck and aircraft part manufacture. . . . At least the Brits spared the major Cathedrals of the cities they bombed . . . the Nazis leveled Coventry Cathedral.

And the bastards Bombed the shit out of London for no good reason other than the claim it had some shipping docks (the Port of London) that happened to be virtually downtown in its center . . . . but hardly a major shipping port in the war effort . . . the many other British ports carried much more valuable cargo in terms of war effort . . . and besides, at the time the Nazis bombed London the Brits were on the defensive and not posing any threat of launching an attack towards Germany.

The nasty attack on London was just a criminal act.

By the way, you've got a wrong date on the re-unification of Germany . . . try something like '90 . . . not '89.

I didn't see much of Dresden when I was there . . . I've done a fair amount of Germany since I used to have an office in Cologne) My favorite city in Germany is Heidleburg, and it is simply beautifully intact, seemingly never to have been touched by the war.

R
 
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Harris, not Harrison.


Wiki:

Marshal of the Royal Air Force Sir Arthur Travers Harris, 1st Baronet GCB OBE AFC (13 April 1892 – 5 April 1984), commonly known as "Bomber" Harris by the press, and often within the RAF as "Butcher" Harris,[N 1] was Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief (AOC-in-C) of RAF Bomber Command (from early 1943 holding the rank of Air Chief Marshal)[3] during the latter half of World War II. In 1942 the Cabinet agreed to the "area bombing" of German cities. Harris was tasked with implementing Churchill's policy and supported the development of tactics and technology to perform the task more effectively. Harris assisted British Chief of the Air Staff Marshal of the Royal Air Force Charles Portal in carrying out the United Kingdom's most devastating attacks against the German infrastructure and population.
 
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RogerB said:
Yes the Brit in charge of the English bomber air-fleet was nicknamed "Bomber Harrison" . . . but don't blame him (alone) . . . most of the planes and crews involved at that stage of the war against Germany were American and the Allied Supreme Commander was an American.

And again, you should note that the Brits had no part in the fire bombing of the Japanese cities and civilians . . . that was American think.

The Hollywood version of history has Bomber Harrison demanding resources to "bomb Jerry into submission" in his fight for resources against Dowding who was Chief of Fighter Command . . . but that was earlier in the war '40-'41 before we (I consider myself a Brit in these things since I remember those days) shot the Germans out of our skies over S.E England. And it was Fighter Command who did it.

And yes, the civilian deaths in Dresden as in the cities of Japan were vicious and saddening, even sickening . . . . BUT, one should take into consideration that Dresden was the center of Germany's ball-bearing and other war materials production.

As you say, Dresden is in East Germany (way east, near the Czech-Poland border) . . . that's a bloody long way to fly to bomb civilians and also to bomb a town/city of no social fame . . . like who'd heard of Dresden before it was bombed? There are lots of more famous cities to have gotten the attention of the propaganda machine that are hundreds of miles closer in flying to have done a "civilian bombing" on.

No, Dresden was an unfortunate military target for those who lived and worked those factories . . . and it was known due to reports from intrepid resident spies that the Nazis had moved their ball-bearing and other military production resources into the city both to hide them and to shelter them among the civilians.

It was rather like when the Nazis bombed Coventry a couple of years before . . . it was the center of truck and aircraft part manufacture. . . . At least the Brits spared the major Cathedrals of the cities they bombed . . . the Nazis leveled Coventry Cathedral.

And the bastards Bombed the shit out of London for no good reason other than the claim it had some shipping docks (the Port of London) that happened to be virtually downtown in its center . . . . but hardly a major shipping port in the war effort . . . the many other British ports carried much more valuable cargo in terms of war effort . . . and besides, at the time the Nazis bombed London the Brits were on the defensive and not posing any threat of launching an attack towards Germany.

The nasty attack on London was just a criminal act.

By the way, you've got a wrong date on the re-unification of Germany . . . try something like '99-'90 . . . not '89.

I didn't see much of Dresden when I was there . . . I've done a fair amount of Germany since I used to have an office in Cologne) My favorite city in Germany is Heidleburg, and it is simply beautifully intact, seemingly never to have been touched by the war.

R
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Interesting slice of history there RogerB. Thanks. It reminded me of my childhood.

I was born in 1947 in London's East End and lived close to the docks. Our house looked over the River Thames.

I played in loads of bombed-out buildings and homes in our neighbourhood when I was a kid. Never gave it a second thought as to why they were derelict.

A movie "Land of Hope and Glory" by David Attenborough which depicts WWII through the eyes of a 10 year old child in UK is a good portrayal of the innocence of youth at that time.
 
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smartone said:
Interesting slice of history there RogerB. Thanks. It reminded me of my childhood.

I was born in 1947 in London's East End and lived close to the docks. Our house looked over the River Thames.

I played in loads of bombed-out buildings and homes in our neighbourhood when I was a kid. Never gave it a second thought as to why they were derelict.

A movie "Land of Hope and Glory" by David Attenborough which depicts WWII through the eyes of a 10 year old child in UK is a good portrayal of the innocence of youth at that time.
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Yes, while today one might view the docks as being "in the center of London" they are actually a couple of miles east, and centered on a loop in the Thames called the Isle of Dogs, though some docks are also south of the river.

London, today, is hugely expanded and what was the old "Docklands" has been developed into the "Canary Wharf Complex" which is as a satellite business office complex to the central City of London.

But the docks are rather ancient and small and at the time really relegated to coastal traffic . . . they were developed in the old sailing ship days . . . that's now bloody insignificant as a war target they were.

There was no justification for the Nazis to bomb the actual city of London and its West End etc.

But, the Nazi insanity led to them getting the bulk of their aircraft fleet wiped out (both bombers and support fighters) by the Brit fighter squadron . . . the Air "Battle of Britain" was in actuality the turning point in the war against the Nazis.

Without air cover an attack across the Channel on England was precluded, and the Germans were short of the resource to rebuild. And all they could then do was hunker down in defense.

Leon is correct it is Harris, not Harrison . . . a sort of slip there by me.

Rog
 
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lkwdblds said:
Many of us posting on this thread have routinely given encouragement and support to one another.

HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED THAT THIS THREAD DOESN'T LEND ITSELF TO NAYSAYERS AND BASHERS? Oh, they show up and do a little bashing but then they quickly leave, usually never to appear again. Just think about it, 536,000 views on a forum the size of ESMB! No attracting of hatemongers but instead attracting informative and entertaining posters. Having an enormous group of unregistered ESMB "guests" reading us at a rate of nearly 2,000 a day in recent weeks.

Encouraging others who post here, raising the level of discourse by showing videos of giants of the past. These things, when done with intelligence and sincerity, can float a lot of boats.
Lakey
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SchwimmelPuckel said:
NAY NAY NAY NAY ! !​

:neener:
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lkwdblds said:
Notice that I said that this thread does not lend itself to naysayers and bashers. It does not say that they do not post here. Two things to note: First, a lot of the naysaying is valid criticism and we ourselves do a lot of it. Second, I am not saying that naysayers are not welcome here because we welcome them with open arms. My point was only that we don't seem to attract them. They point out negatives as you just did, we acknowledge you for that and discuss it with you if it catches our attention.

This type of matter of fact discourse just doesn't seem to attract very many bashers to become regulars here.

It is often short term gratification and relief but seldom produces change or new awarenesses whereas IMO, on this thread one is much more likely to learn new things.
Lakey
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THE APOLLO THREAD IS A BASKET FULL OF GOODIES

The Big Bad Wolf doesn't seem to like to hang around on this thread for very long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Bh5UKb8Yg

BASH...BASH...BASH...BASH...BASH!!!!! :biggrin::eyeroll:
 
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Where do these 2,000 visitors a day come from? I never see more than a handful of visitors on the thread at one time. When do they come and visit this thread?
 
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lkwdblds said:
Thanks for mentioning this, Jachs! I have written up some of the more obvious tactics which I used. Carmello has mentioned his opinions on that as well - especially in his last few posts.

I know that topic selection is important as is a projection of sincerity and honesty. Many people are attracted to the videos of the great entertainment stars of the past and also to great scenic photographs and family photos which Carmelo, Hats and others specialize in. In the beginning, a lot of people were really interested in the goings on at Celebrity Center, ASHO and AOLA in the early 70's.

The first celebrity that Carmelo and I realized we both liked was Jack Benny! That guy was an original!!! There never was nor will there ever be another one like him. We did our early clowning around using Jack.

One dirty little technical trick that I picked up and is now pretty well known is that when you see the thread petering out, you can just go in and make a post which has as its main purpose the bringing of the thread up near the front of all the threads whcih are being read. I employed this tactic in the beginning but no longer have to do it since the thread is now self generating.

I think we will make 1 million late next year but you never know. Sometimes a block of 90 or 100 people sign on here enmasse and read for hours. I would really like to know who they are and what they are seeking here but probably never will find out.
Lakey
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yeah, thanks for that, its very true about keeping the thread in view.

Out of sight out of mind.

see how close your prediction is for the million views.

I saw 60 guests viewing yesterday
 
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FoTi said:
Where do these 2,000 visitors a day come from? I never see more than a handful of visitors on the thread at one time. When do they come and visit this thread?
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Here's some clarification for you FoTi. There have been about 2,000 "views" per day, not 2,000 visitors. Some of the regulars on the thread might log on 5 or 6 times a day, generating 5,6 or more views from just one person. The most viewers I have ever encountered at one time was about 120, just a day or so after we reached 500,000 around Nov 25th. For about a week, at that time, we had around 100 viewers during the evening hours, Pacific Standard Time. At our high points in late November, we had about 100 viewers while all of ESMB had about 330 viewers. Therefore, one thread out of hundreds of active threads was attracting about 30% of all the views. To me, this is an astounding statistic!

The hundred viewers at a time is not happening anymore. Typically, we have just a handful of readers at a given time but every day, it seems to balloon up to 25 or 30 for an hour or two. NOTE: A LOT OF ESMB MEMBERS HAVE THEIR NAME BLOCKED SO THAT THEIR NAME DOES NOT SHOW UP WHEN THEY VIEW A THREAD. I would estimate about 40% of all ESMB members exercise this option of blocking their name

By actual fact, we reached 500,000 views around Nov. 25th. Four days later we had 512,000 which was 3,000 views a day for 4 days in a row. Today, on Dec. 16, we are at 537,400 so in about 3 weeks we have achieved 37,400 views. This rate is about 50,000 per month or 600k per year.
Lakey
 
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lkwdblds said:
Here's some clarification for you FoTi. There have been about 2,000 "views" per day, not 2,000 visitors. Some of the regulars on the thread might log on 5 or 6 times a day, generating 5,6 or more views from just one person. The most viewers I have ever encountered at one time was about 120, just a day or so after we reached 500,000 around Nov 25th. For about a week, at that time, we had around 100 viewers during the evening hours, Pacific Standard Time. At our high points in late November, we had about 100 viewers while all of ESMB had about 330 viewers. Therefore, one thread out of hundreds of active threads was attracting about 30% of all the views. To me, this is an astounding statistic!

The hundred viewers at a time is not happening anymore. Typically, we have just a handful of readers at a given time but every day, it seems to balloon up to 25 or 30 for an hour or two. NOTE: A LOT OF ESMB MEMBERS HAVE THEIR NAME BLOCKED SO THAT THEIR NAME DOES NOT SHOW UP WHEN THEY VIEW A THREAD. I would estimate about 40% of all ESMB members exercise this option of blocking their name

By actual fact, we reached 500,000 views around Nov. 25th. Four days later we had 512,000 which was 3,000 views a day for 4 days in a row. Today, on Dec. 16, we are at 537,400 so in about 3 weeks we have achieved 37,400 views. This rate is about 50,000 per month or 600k per year.
Lakey
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Thanks for the explanation.

This is my favorite thread. :yes:
 
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RogerB said:
Yes the Brit in charge of the English bomber air-fleet was nicknamed "Bomber Harrison" . . . but don't blame him (alone) . . . most of the planes and crews involved at that stage of the war against Germany were American and the Allied Supreme Commander was an American.

And again, you should note that the Brits had no part in the fire bombing of the Japanese cities and civilians . . . that was American think.

I never responded to Commander Birdsong's comments on the USA's bombings of Japan, only on those of Dresden. I am also reviled by U.S. firebombings against Japan. I am aware that Britain had no part in those bombings.

The Hollywood version of history has Bomber Harrison demanding resources to "bomb Jerry into submission" in his fight for resources against Dowding who was Chief of Fighter Command . . . but that was earlier in the war '40-'41 before we (I consider myself a Brit in these things since I remember those days) shot the Germans out of our skies over S.E England. And it was Fighter Command who did it.

And yes, the civilian deaths in Dresden as in the cities of Japan were vicious and saddening, even sickening . . . . BUT, one should take into consideration that Dresden was the center of Germany's ball-bearing and other war materials production.

As you say, Dresden is in East Germany (way east, near the Czech-Poland border) . . . that's a bloody long way to fly to bomb civilians and also to bomb a town/city of no social fame . . . like who'd heard of Dresden before it was bombed? There are lots of more famous cities to have gotten the attention of the propaganda machine that are hundreds of miles closer in flying to have done a "civilian bombing" on.

No, Dresden was an unfortunate military target for those who lived and worked those factories . . . and it was known due to reports from intrepid resident spies that the Nazis had moved their ball-bearing and other military production resources into the city both to hide them and to shelter them among the civilians.

It was rather like when the Nazis bombed Coventry a couple of years before . . . it was the center of truck and aircraft part manufacture. . . . At least the Brits spared the major Cathedrals of the cities they bombed . . . the Nazis leveled Coventry Cathedral.

Nazi bombings of Coventry were not a couple of years before but almost 5 years earlier, 1940 at the start of the war versus 1945, during the last months of the war. I don't believe that the Cathedral in Dresden was spared since the entire central city went up in a firestorm. Firefighting units had to drive in from other cities in Saxony and their efforts were negated by the following daylight raid by the Americans and then the subsequent evening raid by the Brits. Nothing was left undestroyed in the central city.

Also, Coventry was defended strongly by the RAF and by fire from the ground and at that time, the war could have gone either way. By February of 1945, Germany was already totally defeated but Hitler simply refused to surrender. Dresden was completely undefended which is different and its population had mushroomed to 1.4 million from 600,000 as hundreds of thousands moved in to Dresden to await the formal end of hostilities. These are major differences between the Coventry bombing raids and the raids on Dresden.

And the bastards Bombed the shit out of London for no good reason other than the claim it had some shipping docks (the Port of London) that happened to be virtually downtown in its center . . . . but hardly a major shipping port in the war effort . . . the many other British ports carried much more valuable cargo in terms of war effort . . . and besides, at the time the Nazis bombed London the Brits were on the defensive and not posing any threat of launching an attack towards Germany.

The nasty attack on London was just a criminal act.

Yes, I believe your next to last sentence makes a good point on Britain not being an offensive threat at that point. Also on the Nazi bombing on London being a very criminal act. My point was that Germany was brought to justice for its war crimes by the Nuremberg tribunal while British and American atrocities against Dresden and excessive American firebombings against Japan did not lead to anyone being prosecuted for war crimes. As they say, "To the victors go the spoils."

By the way, you've got a wrong date on the re-unification of Germany . . . try something like '90 . . . not '89.

I didn't see much of Dresden when I was there . . . I've done a fair amount of Germany since I used to have an office in Cologne) My favorite city in Germany is Heidleburg, and it is simply beautifully intact, seemingly never to have been touched by the war.

R
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I visited Heidleburg in 2009. It was also my favorite city. Heidleberg is a special city, an old University town in mountainous terrain with a famous medieval castle. Probably there was nothing there worth bombing and maybe the allies respected the beauty and historical value of the University and the Castle. Okay, wrong date, I knew the Berlin wall fell in 1989 and just used that date as the beginning which led to reunification. Actual reunification did take place in 1990. Here is a little blurb from Wikepedia:

....snip..... Popular parlance, which uses "reunification", is deeply affected by the 1989 opening of the Berlin Wall (and the rest of the inner German border) and the physical reunification of the city of Berlin (itself divided only since 1945). Others,[who?] however, argue that 1990 represented a "unification" of two German states into a larger entity which, in its resulting form, had never before existed (see History of Germany).

Lakey
 
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