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Thoreau on Climate Change (NY Times)
October 28, 2008
Thoreau Is Rediscovered as a Climatologist
By CORNELIA DEAN
CONCORD, Mass. — Henry David Thoreau endorsed civil disobedience, opposed slavery and lived for two years in a hut in the woods here, an experience he described in “Walden.” Now he turns out to have another line in his résumé: climate researcher.
He did not realize it, of course. Thoreau died in 1862, when the industrial revolution was just beginning to pump climate-changing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. In 1851, when he started recording when and where plants flowered in Concord, he was making notes for a book on the seasons.
Now, though, researchers at Boston University and Harvard are using those notes to discern patterns of plant abundance and decline in Concord — and by extension, New England — and to link those patterns to changing climate.
Their conclusions are clear. On average, common species are flowering seven days earlier than they did in Thoreau’s day, Richard B. Primack, a conservation biologist at Boston University, and Abraham J. Miller-Rushing, then his graduate student, reported this year in the journal Ecology. Working with Charles C. Davis, an evolutionary biologist at Harvard and two of his graduate students, they determined that 27 percent of the species documented by Thoreau have vanished from Concord and 36 percent are present in such small numbers that they probably will not survive for long. Those findings appear in the current issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
“It’s targeting certain branches in the tree of life,” Dr. Davis said. “They happen to be our most charismatic species — orchids, mints, gentians, lilies, iris.”
Of the 21 species of orchids Thoreau observed in Concord, “we could only find 7,” Dr. Primack said.
From 1851 through 1858, Thoreau tracked the first flowerings of perhaps 500 species, Dr. Primack said. “He knew what he was doing, and he did it really systematically.”
Dr. Primack and Dr. Miller-Rushing did their own surveys in 2004, 2005 and 2006. They also consulted notes from Pennie Logemann, a landscape designer who tracked flowering times from 1963 to 1993 as an aid to planning Concord gardens. And they looked at contributions by members of area plant, insect and bird clubs and the work of additional participants in Concord’s long line of passionate amateur naturalists, some of whose records are preserved in the Free Public Library here.
One of them, Richard J. Eaton, is best known to botanists for his 1974 book, “A Flora of Concord.” Dr. Primack recalled that as a graduate student at Harvard, he had worked alongside Mr. Eaton in the university’s natural history collection — curators relegated the two of them to the same obscure table. “He was just this very elderly man,” Dr. Primack recalled. “Not a professor, an enthusiast. But he was a very, very good botanist. He used very good methods.”
Another contributor, Alfred Hosmer, is more obscure, but his contribution is enormous: detailed notes he made in Concord from 1888 through 1902.
“He was a storekeeper,” Dr. Primack told a small group of graduate students as he gathered them around a table in a special collections room in the Concord library one recent morning. He opened a gray cardboard box, sifted through photocopies of Thoreau’s notoriously hard-to-read notes and pulled out what looked like an ancient composition book. He turned to a page where an inventory of orchid species ended and one of irises began. The entries move across the page in tiny but precise script.
“You can imagine this as a storekeeper’s ledger,” Dr. Primack said. But Hosmer’s plant nomenclature was more accurate than Thoreau’s, he said. “Plus we can read his writing.”
According to Dr. Primack, Hosmer spent “15 years walking around Concord for several hours a day several times a week” making notes about plants. “He never wrote about why he was doing this,” Dr. Primack said, “but he had known Thoreau when he was a boy. Hosmer was one of the first people who said Thoreau was a genius and not just a nut.”
Dr. Primack said he had never heard of Hosmer until his interest in Thoreau led him to search for old journals, diaries and other records. “I started going to all these funny scientific societies we have,” he said. “I was getting up in the ‘new business’ and telling people what I was looking for. I got a lot of leads, but most were not very useful. Then Ray Angelo told me about Hosmer.”
Mr. Angelo, who stepped down recently as curator of vascular plants at the New England Botanical Club, is the author of a monograph, “Concord Area Trees and Shrubs.” The eminent biologist Ernst Mayr once called him “the most knowledgeable student of the Concord flora” and today, when Dr. Primack and the other researchers are looking for this species or that in Concord, Mr. Angelo tells them where to find it.
The most daunting challenge, though, was making sense of this kind of data.
“There were a couple of big problems,” Dr. Miller-Rushing, now at the University of Maryland, said in a telephone interview from Colorado, where he was studying mountain plants. “Thoreau had incredibly messy handwriting. That was a big difficulty.” Also, he said, “in some cases he and Hosmer called the same species by different names. We had to figure all that out.”
Their work with Dr. Davis and his students began then, after they heard the two give talks at Harvard on their efforts and convinced them additional analysis was necessary.
“We just treated each individual species as a data point,” Dr. Primack said. “That was not the way to do it.” Dr. Davis and two of his graduate students, Charles G. Willis and Brad Ruhfel, began looking at the species data from an evolutionary perspective including, for example, the relationship between species traits and abundance. “Those species that are falling out are more closely related than you would expect,” Mr. Willis said.
As Dr. Davis put it, “certain branches of the tree of life are being lopped off.”
But when Dr. Davis and his colleagues began analyzing the data, things got off to a rough start. “It’s actually a very specialized kind of analysis,” Dr. Primack said. Mr. Willis “kept explaining what the analysis was showing, and I kept saying, ‘I don’t understand.’ ”
Once he did understand, he added, it became apparent that “a couple of times they had not done the analysis correctly because they did not understand the field data.”
Now, though, they have figured out how to communicate. “Climate change, ecology and evolutionary biology have been going their own separate ways,” Mr. Ruhfel said. “We see now we have information we can share and really further the field.”
Now the professors and their graduate students are on the trail of more data. For example, there is growing evidence that as birds change their migration patterns in response to climate change, they may no longer be in sync with the insect species they feed on. Elizabeth Bacon, another of Dr. Primack’s graduate students, is combing Thoreau’s notes on birds and the records of the Nuttall Ornithological Club, a local organization, to see what they can contribute.
Dr. Miller-Rushing worked this summer in the Rockies on whether plants that begin to flower earlier have more problems with late-season frost.
Mr. Willis and Mr. Ruhfel are looking at which species are moving in to Concord to occupy niches vacated by vanished plants, and whether they come from “adjacent species pools,” as Mr. Willis puts it.
The scientists say their research demonstrates the importance of simply watching the landscape and recording what occurs in it. And it demonstrates the importance of old records and natural history collections, Dr. Davis said. But in general, he said, there is little interest in devoting money, time and space to their preservation.
“It’s hard to defend the space on major campuses,” Dr. Davis said. “Eaton could not have prepared his ‘Flora’ unless Harvard University had maintained herbarium specimens. Hosmer’s book was here in Concord for 100 years before anyone used it.”
Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company
October 28, 2008
Thoreau Is Rediscovered as a Climatologist
By CORNELIA DEAN
CONCORD, Mass. — Henry David Thoreau endorsed civil disobedience, opposed slavery and lived for two years in a hut in the woods here, an experience he described in “Walden.” Now he turns out to have another line in his résumé: climate researcher.
He did not realize it, of course. Thoreau died in 1862, when the industrial revolution was just beginning to pump climate-changing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. In 1851, when he started recording when and where plants flowered in Concord, he was making notes for a book on the seasons.
Now, though, researchers at Boston University and Harvard are using those notes to discern patterns of plant abundance and decline in Concord — and by extension, New England — and to link those patterns to changing climate.
Their conclusions are clear. On average, common species are flowering seven days earlier than they did in Thoreau’s day, Richard B. Primack, a conservation biologist at Boston University, and Abraham J. Miller-Rushing, then his graduate student, reported this year in the journal Ecology. Working with Charles C. Davis, an evolutionary biologist at Harvard and two of his graduate students, they determined that 27 percent of the species documented by Thoreau have vanished from Concord and 36 percent are present in such small numbers that they probably will not survive for long. Those findings appear in the current issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
“It’s targeting certain branches in the tree of life,” Dr. Davis said. “They happen to be our most charismatic species — orchids, mints, gentians, lilies, iris.”
Of the 21 species of orchids Thoreau observed in Concord, “we could only find 7,” Dr. Primack said.
From 1851 through 1858, Thoreau tracked the first flowerings of perhaps 500 species, Dr. Primack said. “He knew what he was doing, and he did it really systematically.”
Dr. Primack and Dr. Miller-Rushing did their own surveys in 2004, 2005 and 2006. They also consulted notes from Pennie Logemann, a landscape designer who tracked flowering times from 1963 to 1993 as an aid to planning Concord gardens. And they looked at contributions by members of area plant, insect and bird clubs and the work of additional participants in Concord’s long line of passionate amateur naturalists, some of whose records are preserved in the Free Public Library here.
One of them, Richard J. Eaton, is best known to botanists for his 1974 book, “A Flora of Concord.” Dr. Primack recalled that as a graduate student at Harvard, he had worked alongside Mr. Eaton in the university’s natural history collection — curators relegated the two of them to the same obscure table. “He was just this very elderly man,” Dr. Primack recalled. “Not a professor, an enthusiast. But he was a very, very good botanist. He used very good methods.”
Another contributor, Alfred Hosmer, is more obscure, but his contribution is enormous: detailed notes he made in Concord from 1888 through 1902.
“He was a storekeeper,” Dr. Primack told a small group of graduate students as he gathered them around a table in a special collections room in the Concord library one recent morning. He opened a gray cardboard box, sifted through photocopies of Thoreau’s notoriously hard-to-read notes and pulled out what looked like an ancient composition book. He turned to a page where an inventory of orchid species ended and one of irises began. The entries move across the page in tiny but precise script.
“You can imagine this as a storekeeper’s ledger,” Dr. Primack said. But Hosmer’s plant nomenclature was more accurate than Thoreau’s, he said. “Plus we can read his writing.”
According to Dr. Primack, Hosmer spent “15 years walking around Concord for several hours a day several times a week” making notes about plants. “He never wrote about why he was doing this,” Dr. Primack said, “but he had known Thoreau when he was a boy. Hosmer was one of the first people who said Thoreau was a genius and not just a nut.”
Dr. Primack said he had never heard of Hosmer until his interest in Thoreau led him to search for old journals, diaries and other records. “I started going to all these funny scientific societies we have,” he said. “I was getting up in the ‘new business’ and telling people what I was looking for. I got a lot of leads, but most were not very useful. Then Ray Angelo told me about Hosmer.”
Mr. Angelo, who stepped down recently as curator of vascular plants at the New England Botanical Club, is the author of a monograph, “Concord Area Trees and Shrubs.” The eminent biologist Ernst Mayr once called him “the most knowledgeable student of the Concord flora” and today, when Dr. Primack and the other researchers are looking for this species or that in Concord, Mr. Angelo tells them where to find it.
The most daunting challenge, though, was making sense of this kind of data.
“There were a couple of big problems,” Dr. Miller-Rushing, now at the University of Maryland, said in a telephone interview from Colorado, where he was studying mountain plants. “Thoreau had incredibly messy handwriting. That was a big difficulty.” Also, he said, “in some cases he and Hosmer called the same species by different names. We had to figure all that out.”
Their work with Dr. Davis and his students began then, after they heard the two give talks at Harvard on their efforts and convinced them additional analysis was necessary.
“We just treated each individual species as a data point,” Dr. Primack said. “That was not the way to do it.” Dr. Davis and two of his graduate students, Charles G. Willis and Brad Ruhfel, began looking at the species data from an evolutionary perspective including, for example, the relationship between species traits and abundance. “Those species that are falling out are more closely related than you would expect,” Mr. Willis said.
As Dr. Davis put it, “certain branches of the tree of life are being lopped off.”
But when Dr. Davis and his colleagues began analyzing the data, things got off to a rough start. “It’s actually a very specialized kind of analysis,” Dr. Primack said. Mr. Willis “kept explaining what the analysis was showing, and I kept saying, ‘I don’t understand.’ ”
Once he did understand, he added, it became apparent that “a couple of times they had not done the analysis correctly because they did not understand the field data.”
Now, though, they have figured out how to communicate. “Climate change, ecology and evolutionary biology have been going their own separate ways,” Mr. Ruhfel said. “We see now we have information we can share and really further the field.”
Now the professors and their graduate students are on the trail of more data. For example, there is growing evidence that as birds change their migration patterns in response to climate change, they may no longer be in sync with the insect species they feed on. Elizabeth Bacon, another of Dr. Primack’s graduate students, is combing Thoreau’s notes on birds and the records of the Nuttall Ornithological Club, a local organization, to see what they can contribute.
Dr. Miller-Rushing worked this summer in the Rockies on whether plants that begin to flower earlier have more problems with late-season frost.
Mr. Willis and Mr. Ruhfel are looking at which species are moving in to Concord to occupy niches vacated by vanished plants, and whether they come from “adjacent species pools,” as Mr. Willis puts it.
The scientists say their research demonstrates the importance of simply watching the landscape and recording what occurs in it. And it demonstrates the importance of old records and natural history collections, Dr. Davis said. But in general, he said, there is little interest in devoting money, time and space to their preservation.
“It’s hard to defend the space on major campuses,” Dr. Davis said. “Eaton could not have prepared his ‘Flora’ unless Harvard University had maintained herbarium specimens. Hosmer’s book was here in Concord for 100 years before anyone used it.”
Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company
Ted
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I have always liked Henry David Thoreau. He was an observant, thoughtful individual.
As I ponder the positions of the global warming people, now climate changers, I believe that the ultimate solution is population reduction. I believe that because I have decided that only SPs survive. Yes, I am taking a walk on the wild side. Have applied for an internship with George Soros. He's really got it going big time. Why not study under the best?
The way I see it, a reduction of all living things on the planet would be a good thing. We sure have way too many alligators here in Florida as well as non-native pythons and boas destroying the Everglades. And bugs. We have bugs. Maybe there is a use for SPs after all. You know, cut everyone's reach, blind them to the truth of an existing situation, encourage them to have less, and so on.
Anyway, I am always reminded during such missives, as Carmelo just posted, of the old StarTrek episode where two opposed populations played at war with computers. The loser of a battle was required to march a certain compter-generated number of people off to the death chambers when the strike was over. These would be casualties of war. Wonderful solution to population control. Most importantly where my vision of climate changers comes in, no one complained!
Given our present situation as professed by the climate changers, I believe the very first people to step up for elimination should be the climate changers themselves, and similar squawkers. Oh, the world of the rest of us might then be able to optimize ourselves and our planet without the distractions of false reporters and other people with vested interests in us having this problem. Vested interests means cash flow in own bank/pockets. Are you listening Al, you flippin' nutjob?
Do you think the squawkers would be so bold as to "take one for the team"? Oh, not likely. It's always the other guy who needs to cut back. Hey, Al! Park that jet!
Well, I am doing the best that I can. I rarely do any strenuous exercise thus cutting back on my carbon footprint. I buy local as best as I can to cut back on transport carbon. If the city would allow me a horse in the backyard I would ride him around town--and delightfully compost horse poop for my garden. And isn't it stupid to buy a tomato from Mexico when I can grow them in my own back yard, recent objections from the FDA concerning home gardening notwithstanding.
In the '60s scientists were promoting the big freeze whether by nuclear winter or a new ice-age. We can do something about nuclear winter, but can't do a damn thing at this time about glacier movements.
How about we just choose to perceive a problem that we can do something about instead of science-fiction or science-fantacy or science speculation. I say let the scientists have their nerdy circle jerks to discuss astroid strikes and other doomsday scenarios. And keep this bad news off the public airwaves because the average citizen can't do a damn thing about it, or just put the theory on the internet and late night talk radio when the rest of us are asleep.
There. I feel better now.
I have always liked Henry David Thoreau. He was an observant, thoughtful individual.
As I ponder the positions of the global warming people, now climate changers, I believe that the ultimate solution is population reduction. I believe that because I have decided that only SPs survive. Yes, I am taking a walk on the wild side. Have applied for an internship with George Soros. He's really got it going big time. Why not study under the best?
The way I see it, a reduction of all living things on the planet would be a good thing. We sure have way too many alligators here in Florida as well as non-native pythons and boas destroying the Everglades. And bugs. We have bugs. Maybe there is a use for SPs after all. You know, cut everyone's reach, blind them to the truth of an existing situation, encourage them to have less, and so on.
Anyway, I am always reminded during such missives, as Carmelo just posted, of the old StarTrek episode where two opposed populations played at war with computers. The loser of a battle was required to march a certain compter-generated number of people off to the death chambers when the strike was over. These would be casualties of war. Wonderful solution to population control. Most importantly where my vision of climate changers comes in, no one complained!
Given our present situation as professed by the climate changers, I believe the very first people to step up for elimination should be the climate changers themselves, and similar squawkers. Oh, the world of the rest of us might then be able to optimize ourselves and our planet without the distractions of false reporters and other people with vested interests in us having this problem. Vested interests means cash flow in own bank/pockets. Are you listening Al, you flippin' nutjob?
Do you think the squawkers would be so bold as to "take one for the team"? Oh, not likely. It's always the other guy who needs to cut back. Hey, Al! Park that jet!
Well, I am doing the best that I can. I rarely do any strenuous exercise thus cutting back on my carbon footprint. I buy local as best as I can to cut back on transport carbon. If the city would allow me a horse in the backyard I would ride him around town--and delightfully compost horse poop for my garden. And isn't it stupid to buy a tomato from Mexico when I can grow them in my own back yard, recent objections from the FDA concerning home gardening notwithstanding.
In the '60s scientists were promoting the big freeze whether by nuclear winter or a new ice-age. We can do something about nuclear winter, but can't do a damn thing at this time about glacier movements.
How about we just choose to perceive a problem that we can do something about instead of science-fiction or science-fantacy or science speculation. I say let the scientists have their nerdy circle jerks to discuss astroid strikes and other doomsday scenarios. And keep this bad news off the public airwaves because the average citizen can't do a damn thing about it, or just put the theory on the internet and late night talk radio when the rest of us are asleep.
There. I feel better now.
Ted
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Re: Leadership - Another Blast From the Past
About all of it!
If it's from Alan it's about Knowledgism, even when he talks scio. Or compares scio to Knowledgism.
About all of it!
If it's from Alan it's about Knowledgism, even when he talks scio. Or compares scio to Knowledgism.
FoTi
Crusader
The Strange Life of Nikola Tesla
This is a 40 page autobiography of Nikola Tesla. An unusual person with an interesting life, a delightful sense of humor and one who cared about the human race and the future of this planet. Very interesting read.
http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/tesla/biog.pdf
This is a 40 page autobiography of Nikola Tesla. An unusual person with an interesting life, a delightful sense of humor and one who cared about the human race and the future of this planet. Very interesting read.
http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/tesla/biog.pdf
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Ted
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The Pun
Back in the olden days my high school English teacher told the class that a pun was considered to be the lowest form of humor. I have yet to resolve if he was correct in that assessment or not. Here's a few... What say you?
Back in the olden days my high school English teacher told the class that a pun was considered to be the lowest form of humor. I have yet to resolve if he was correct in that assessment or not. Here's a few... What say you?
An alert reader told me that, because of the weak business climate, there will be a ton of mergers and acquisitions coming down the pike. He urged me to "get in on the ground floor." If we do, he promised, we can make some big bucks. I know you'll want to get in on some of these deals, too. So as a public service, here's an advance peek at some of the headlines you'll be seeing in the coming weeks and months:
Hale Business Systems will enter into a four-way merger with Mary Kay Cosmetics, Fuller Brush Co., and W.R. Grace. The new entity will be known as Hale Mary Fuller Grace.
Polygram Records, Warner Bros. and Zesta® Crackers will unite to become Poly Warner Cracker.
Zippo Manufacturing, Audi Motors, Dofasco and Dakota Mining will merge to become ZipAudiDoDa.
FedEx and its major competitor, UPS, will soon be one entity. Yes, it will be known as FedUP.
Think that's bad? In one of the most unusual mergers ever, Knott's Berry Farm and the National Organization for Women will merge to become Knott NOW!
Finally, Victoria's Secret and Smith & Wesson will merge under their new name, TittyTittyBangBang.
And that, I think, is pun-ishment enough for one day.
— Chip Wood
Hale Business Systems will enter into a four-way merger with Mary Kay Cosmetics, Fuller Brush Co., and W.R. Grace. The new entity will be known as Hale Mary Fuller Grace.
Polygram Records, Warner Bros. and Zesta® Crackers will unite to become Poly Warner Cracker.
Zippo Manufacturing, Audi Motors, Dofasco and Dakota Mining will merge to become ZipAudiDoDa.
FedEx and its major competitor, UPS, will soon be one entity. Yes, it will be known as FedUP.
Think that's bad? In one of the most unusual mergers ever, Knott's Berry Farm and the National Organization for Women will merge to become Knott NOW!
Finally, Victoria's Secret and Smith & Wesson will merge under their new name, TittyTittyBangBang.
And that, I think, is pun-ishment enough for one day.
— Chip Wood
Ted
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Political Spin
This is a dated report, but interesting nonetheless.
A letter from the grandson of a friend of a friend, August 2010. It shows how the politicians spin:
This is a dated report, but interesting nonetheless.
A letter from the grandson of a friend of a friend, August 2010. It shows how the politicians spin:
Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 5:41 PM
Hey everybody I just wanted to send a quick update and give y'all the REAL story on what's going on over here with the troop withdrawal.
The picture [not available] is of my crew and I on a break during a mission. The guy to the far left is my gunner (Burks) and the guy in the middle is my driver (Mizell). They go with me on every mission and are great guys.
The reason I'm sending this out is because I have had a few people ask if I left Iraq early because all of the combat troops are out of Iraq and I wanted to let everyone know the real deal. It's kind of ridiculous how the news is saying that the last of the "combat" troops are out of Iraq because of Pres Osama ( I mean Obama ). He says that it was his campaign promise.
Take our Brigade for example. We were originally called a HBCT (Heavy Brigade Combat Team). Well since Obama said he would pull all of the "combat" troops out by Aug all they did before we left was change our name from a HBCT to a AAB (Advise and Assist Brigade). We have the same personnel/equipment layout as before and are doing the same missions. The ONLY difference is that they changed our name from a HBCT to an AAB and that's how he is getting away with saying that he has pulled all of the "combat" troops out. It is really ridiculous what he's doing and he has ticked alot of people off. And it's funny how the media is buying all of it to. So no, the last combat troops are not out of Iraq, we are still here.
There are other Brigades just like ours that are doing the same missions that are still over here. Sorry for going on about it but we are just sitting over here watching it and are like, "You've got to be kidding me!" So anyway now you know the REAL story so that's why I'm not coming back early.
You have to watch those liberals, their sneaky! Anyways I hope everyone is doing well and I'll see you soon!
Travis
Hey everybody I just wanted to send a quick update and give y'all the REAL story on what's going on over here with the troop withdrawal.
The picture [not available] is of my crew and I on a break during a mission. The guy to the far left is my gunner (Burks) and the guy in the middle is my driver (Mizell). They go with me on every mission and are great guys.
The reason I'm sending this out is because I have had a few people ask if I left Iraq early because all of the combat troops are out of Iraq and I wanted to let everyone know the real deal. It's kind of ridiculous how the news is saying that the last of the "combat" troops are out of Iraq because of Pres Osama ( I mean Obama ). He says that it was his campaign promise.
Take our Brigade for example. We were originally called a HBCT (Heavy Brigade Combat Team). Well since Obama said he would pull all of the "combat" troops out by Aug all they did before we left was change our name from a HBCT to a AAB (Advise and Assist Brigade). We have the same personnel/equipment layout as before and are doing the same missions. The ONLY difference is that they changed our name from a HBCT to an AAB and that's how he is getting away with saying that he has pulled all of the "combat" troops out. It is really ridiculous what he's doing and he has ticked alot of people off. And it's funny how the media is buying all of it to. So no, the last combat troops are not out of Iraq, we are still here.
There are other Brigades just like ours that are doing the same missions that are still over here. Sorry for going on about it but we are just sitting over here watching it and are like, "You've got to be kidding me!" So anyway now you know the REAL story so that's why I'm not coming back early.
You have to watch those liberals, their sneaky! Anyways I hope everyone is doing well and I'll see you soon!
Travis
Ted
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Well, I lost the Trivia Contest at our Church Picnic last week.
I got the last question wrong, and was immediately asked to leave.
The question was: "Where do women have the curliest hair?"
Apparently the correct answer is Fiji .
Well, I lost the Trivia Contest at our Church Picnic last week.
I got the last question wrong, and was immediately asked to leave.
The question was: "Where do women have the curliest hair?"
Apparently the correct answer is Fiji .
RogerB
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
You deserve to be ousted for that one!
R
Well, I lost the Trivia Contest at our Church Picnic last week.
I got the last question wrong, and was immediately asked to leave.
The question was: "Where do women have the curliest hair?"
Apparently the correct answer is Fiji .
You deserve to be ousted for that one!
R
afaceinthecrowd
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Whatever you been taken lately, Ted...I WANT SOME, TOO!
Whatever you been taken lately, Ted...I WANT SOME, TOO!
Ted
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I could tell ya but then I would have to explain myself at length, something I was not prepared to get into just yet. And you already how I have been hemming and hawing over committing my story re: the Old Days at Adams Ave.
Whatever you been taken lately, Ted...I WANT SOME, TOO!
I could tell ya but then I would have to explain myself at length, something I was not prepared to get into just yet. And you already how I have been hemming and hawing over committing my story re: the Old Days at Adams Ave.
Terril park
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Piss poor research!
Well, I lost the Trivia Contest at our Church Picnic last week.
I got the last question wrong, and was immediately asked to leave.
The question was: "Where do women have the curliest hair?"
Apparently the correct answer is Fiji .
Piss poor research!
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
Patrick MacNee is 92 today
[video=youtube;ogrgtzgn0oQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogrgtzgn0oQ&feature=related[/video]
[video=youtube;n0YOlU3SMgs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0YOlU3SMgs[/video]
[video=youtube;ogrgtzgn0oQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogrgtzgn0oQ&feature=related[/video]
[video=youtube;n0YOlU3SMgs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0YOlU3SMgs[/video]
Ted
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Re: Patrick MacNee is 92 today
The Avengers needed Diana Rigg to attract my attention:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHaGADqVfLs&feature=related
She got older, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOWbGZjp04o&feature=related
The Avengers needed Diana Rigg to attract my attention:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHaGADqVfLs&feature=related
She got older, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOWbGZjp04o&feature=related
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
Mrs. Peel, the way I prefer to think of her
[video=youtube;hZQQvrkSf34]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZQQvrkSf34&feature=g-vrec&context=G2b8708bRVAAAAAAAAAA[/video]
[video=youtube;hZQQvrkSf34]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZQQvrkSf34&feature=g-vrec&context=G2b8708bRVAAAAAAAAAA[/video]
Ted
Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: Mrs. Peel, the way I prefer to think of her
Ah, yes. The eternal Mrs. Peel.
I think I feel some testosterone moving about these old bones.
Ah, yes. The eternal Mrs. Peel.
I think I feel some testosterone moving about these old bones.
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
tone 40
In the Scientology that I knew, it was called Tone 40 8C, meaning (TO ME):
Complete unconditional and nonjudgemental love on the part of the auditor (for lack of a better term) not in opposition, not with force, but with complete oneness, saying, in essence, "this is what you want to do(as an extension of us)
Around 1969, I learned my definition from my friend, Snooky Weiss, one of the two original Class Vlll students, who wasn't over boarded.
Snooky had a way of getting people to do things. You wanted to do what Snooky wanted. It wouldn't matter what she asked, you'd do it and do it happily.
We talked about her ability with people, and what she told me is pretty much what she told me 40 + years ago.
It works, what more can I say.
In the Scientology that I knew, it was called Tone 40 8C, meaning (TO ME):
Complete unconditional and nonjudgemental love on the part of the auditor (for lack of a better term) not in opposition, not with force, but with complete oneness, saying, in essence, "this is what you want to do(as an extension of us)
Around 1969, I learned my definition from my friend, Snooky Weiss, one of the two original Class Vlll students, who wasn't over boarded.
Snooky had a way of getting people to do things. You wanted to do what Snooky wanted. It wouldn't matter what she asked, you'd do it and do it happily.
We talked about her ability with people, and what she told me is pretty much what she told me 40 + years ago.
It works, what more can I say.
Ted
Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: tone 40
I agree!
Valuable remembrance!
This is what a few Mrs. Peel vids can bring out of a fella!
Moar!
I agree!
Valuable remembrance!
This is what a few Mrs. Peel vids can bring out of a fella!
Moar!
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