The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[Challenge]

You know, I had much less trouble with my sinuses before Scn, and I was surfing back then.

Doh!

Gotta wait until the beaches are open again, sigh. (Darn earthquake in Chile has closed our beaches.)

lissen, you don't have to wait for the beaches to open. You can snort salt water at your bathroom sink. Same result.

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[CarmeloOrchards]

I have been unwilling to spell out actual threats because like "Don't think of an elephant." What do you think of? I don't want to even put the picture out there.

I tried to tell you on three separate occasions. After that I gave up on your "getting it"

This topic eats at me.

I don't want to draw attention to it, but I do want a satisfactory conclusion.

I haven't the slightest idea who you are talking about. You say I put some names up on the web, you had me delete them explaining the risk of putting them on the web and then I printed them over and over again. Could you please PM me with these names because I have no idea who they are. It doesn't ring a bell with me who those names could be. If you PM me I will delete them off of course and be sure to not mention them again. I should know who they are so that I never mention them again anyway. I really do not have any idea who you are refering to.

I would just say this to you. You have been PMing me on and off continually for the last 5 months or so. Why didn't you say something when I used the names a second time? I am sure that had you done so, I would have quickly erased them and never used them again. That would have been the least I could do. and I guarantee you that I would have done so! Why let me continue doing theses alleged security breaches over the months without saying anything to me and then hit me with this a conclusion that I can not perceive the area so long after the alleged damage has been done over and over and may no longer be able to be mitigated.

I really don't get it. I can see doing it the first time because you comlained to me about something. I can see that I deleted it from a post but I can't understand how you would allow me to get away with doing it a second time and continue doing it over and over repeadtedly and not say something even though you were PMing me on a regular basis and could have easily brought it up in one of your other PM's. Just two days ago you sent me a friendly PM about applying for the job with the EPA which I really appreciated and before that were many other friendly posts about how well the thread was doing and so forth. There seems to be a lack of action on your part for not notifying me the second time it happened and then continuing a stream of friendly PM's all the while letting me commit security breaches, building up the conclusion that I can not perceive a certain area in life and then one day hit me with this accusatory posting which you just made.

I am sorry, I would like to accomodate you but I just don't get it, I don' t know where you are coming from.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

I have been unwilling to spell out actual threats because like "Don't think of an elephant." What do you think of? I don't want to even put the picture out there.

I tried to tell you on three separate occasions. After that I gave up on your "getting it"

I think that is the problem, you tried to tell me but you actually needed to tell me. Once you do that, I think the problem will be handled.

This topic eats at me.

I don't want to draw attention to it, but I do want a satisfactory conclusion.

I disagree, you could have PMed me at any time but you chose to put it on the board showing you did want to draw attention to it. Had it been sent to me privately, we could have avoided drawing all this attention to it. I eats at me too because I am being lambasted for doing something but I don't even know what that something is. It seems as if the PM you just sent me, tells me what I need to know. That should handle the whole thing. If I am not discrete after this date, then I will have no defense.
Lakey

 

[thetanic]

lissen, you don't have to wait for the beaches to open. You can snort salt water at your bathroom sink. Same result.

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I have a neti pot. It's surfing I'm waiting for.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

I disagree, you could have PMed me at any time but you chose to put it on the board showing you did want to draw attention to it. Had it been sent to me privately, we could have avoided drawing all this attention to it. I eats at me too because I am being lambasted for doing something but I don't even know what that something is. It seems as if the PM you just sent me, tells me what I need to know. That should handle the whole thing. If I am not discrete after this date, then I will have no defense.
Lakey

then we are good.

 

[purple haze]

Body surfing

O.K., This sounds not only gross but technically difficult, too! But I will give it a try...long beads I got, but need to procure some balloons. I have done some "user modification" to my right maxillary sinus which doesn't drain properly anymore by doing an accidental face plant on concrete some years ago, so it's not just my BT's acting up or anything...
Thanks, Carmelo, for the advice!

I'm going to try my neti pot first, o.k.? Sea salt water in the neti pot is as close to body surfing as I am going to get till it warms up a bit more...

As I read Carmelo's words, I had a huge cognition...(a big "ah-ha!" moment for me, for those who don't speak Scientologese) I used to body surf a lot and never had any sinus trouble...soon as it warms up this Spring, Ocean, here I come! Kowabunga, dudes!

Can I come, can I come? I love to body surf!

Maybe Lakey can come too!

Needs to get a lot warmer here in Southern Cali before I can get back in the water.

Unless you're up for long boarding! :shark: I was giving free long board lessons at Malibu all last summer. Perfect little waves and the water got so warm, we could take off our wet suits and go out in our bikinis!

Years ago I had a bumper sticker on my old VW bus that said: LONG BOARD NAKED.

purple surfer

 

[purple haze]

surfing

I have a neti pot. It's surfing I'm waiting for.

YAY!

Let's all get together and go surfing!

An old friend of mine and I used to call it OT 42!

the purple surfer

 

[Mark A. Baker]

... Perfect little waves and the water got so warm, we could take off our wet suits and go out in our bikinis!

Years ago I had a bumper sticker on my old VW bus that said: LONG BOARD NAKED.

purple surfer

YAY!

Let's all get together and go surfing!

I am DEEPLY disappointed, Purp.

I thought you were going to say: "...let's all get together and ... get NAKED!".


Mark A. Baker

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

I am DEEPLY disappointed, Purp.

I thought you were going to say: "...let's all get together and ... get NAKED!".


Mark A. Baker

yesterday, in Australia, a large group of naked scuba divers, about to do a film shoot, cancelled their plans because of Tsunami warnings.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

on the lighter side

I was just buying some empty calories at Safeway, and while standing in line, I was scanning the Enquirer.

Jane Fonda is getting married to Richard Perry.

I worked with a band of all girl lesbians in the late 60s. I remember recording an album with him. I can't remember the girl band's name.

 

[hbeer]

yesterday, in Australia, a large group of naked scuba divers, about to do a film shoot, cancelled their plans because of Tsunami warnings.

See? That's God telling them that when he created them naked, he made a mistake, and they shouldn't reveal that.

He actually wanted to create them with fur!



.

 

[lkwdblds]

Fur on humans would have been fun!

See? That's God telling them that when he created them naked, he made a mistake, and they shouldn't reveal that.

He actually wanted to create them with fur!



.

Wouldn't fur have been fun in the early days of creation? Just think - all the fun we have petting our dogs and cats could also be lavished on our loved ones as well!

Due to the lack of fur, the first profession must have been, not prostitution as is widely claimed, but Fig Leaf harvesting and sales. Come in and get fitted for your custom designed Fig Leaf! All sizes, varying shapes, both bras and pantiess - both sexes! What did they do up North in the Arctic or down South in the Antartic?

Cats' are constantly cleaning their fur with their tongues and they are much neater about going to the bathroom than dogs. However, dogs counter with having a much more out going and loving personality, being happier to see you and being easier to train to do tricks.

Lakey

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

FWIW

College Grads: Which Ones Earn the Most?

by Bridget Quigg, PayScale.com
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Have you ever wondered if Stanford grads really do make the big bucks, or if a "party school" degree can still land you a high-paying job?
Online salary database PayScale.com put together a 2009 College Salary Report that highlights which college graduates make the highest and lowest salaries right out of college and how that changes 10 years post-graduation.

While it may be no surprise that social work came in as the least well-paid major overall in PayScale's report, you may not know that Dartmouth's grads fare better financially 10 years after college than Harvard's.

Whether you went to a small, liberal arts college or graduated from an Ivy League school, take a look at the list below to see if your alma mater made a top 10 earners list.

School Name / Starting Median Salary / Mid-Career Median Salary

1. Dartmouth College: $58,200 / $129,000
2. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT): $71,100 / $126,000
3. Harvard University: $60,000 / $126,000
4. Harvey Mudd College: $71,000 / $125,000
5. Stanford University: $67,500 / $124,000
6. Princeton University: $65,000 / $124,000
7. Colgate University: $51,900 / $122,000
8. University of Notre Dame: $55,300 / $121,000
9. Yale University: $56,000 / $120,000
10. University of Pennsylvania: $60,400 / $118,000

Maybe you didn't get to attend one of these top schools, but there's another factor that may contribute to a higher paycheck: your major.

According to Al Lee, PayScale's director of quantitative analysis, "Even more than where you go to school, the degree you get is a bigger influencer of your pay for the vast majority of Americans." Lee says that an English major from Harvard may end up making six figures, but that person is an exception among English majors.

Which degrees bring home the most bacon? "Ones involving numbers," says Lee. Seven of the 10 highest-earning undergraduate degrees in the report are in engineering, with economics, physics, and computer science filling out the rest.

Undergraduate Degree / Starting Median Salary / Mid-Career Median Salary

1. Aerospace Engineering: $59,600 / $109,000
2. Chemical Engineering: $65,700 / $107,000
3. Computer Engineering: $61,700 / $105,000
4. Electrical Engineering: $60,200 / $102,000
5. Economics: $50,200 / $101,000
6. Physics: $51,100 / $98,800
7. Mechanical Engineering: $58,900 / $98,300
8. Computer Science: $56,400 / $97,400
9. Industrial Engineering: $57,100 / $95,000
10. Environmental Engineering: $53,400 / $94,500

What other interesting facts did PayScale discover?

Philosophy majors earn more 10 years after college than business administration and nursing majors.
Two of the 10 most popular jobs held by Harvard University grads are executive director of a nonprofit organization and high school teacher.
Loma Linda University graduates have the highest median starting salaries at $71,400 per year. That's over $6,000 more per year than a Princeton grad.
The top paid English majors are technical writers.
The top paid political science majors are intelligence analysts.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Still not quite myself yet...

lissen, you don't have to wait for the beaches to open. You can snort salt water at your bathroom sink. Same result.

challenge

OR buy a neti pot! Slightly less splashing and far less snorting! Actually, an old time invalid feeder, found in antique stores or on ebay, or maybe even the right style of old-fashioned gravy boat would work just as well as a neti pot. Thanks Challenge!

Was there a tsunami in Honolulu? Or elsewhere? I heard there were seven foot tidal surges on Hilo side, and that was it. ???

 

[lkwdblds]

Fascinating but what about lower prestige schools?

College Grads: Which Ones Earn the Most?

by Bridget Quigg, PayScale.com
Send
Buzz up!
Print
Have you ever wondered if Stanford grads really do make the big bucks, or if a "party school" degree can still land you a high-paying job?
Online salary database PayScale.com put together a 2009 College Salary Report that highlights which college graduates make the highest and lowest salaries right out of college and how that changes 10 years post-graduation.

While it may be no surprise that social work came in as the least well-paid major overall in PayScale's report, you may not know that Dartmouth's grads fare better financially 10 years after college than Harvard's.

Fascinating study!! My Son is going through this stuff right now. He wants to be an attorney and took the LSAT and scored high, in the top 5% with 167 but said he missed two or three easy questions that he should have got. At 167 with a 3.6 grade point average he can qualifyfor law schools which rank between 9th highest in the Country, Cornell, and Iowa, Illinois and Minnesota which are in the high teens or low 20's. Michigan which is # 13 or UCLA and USC run about 14 and 15. Cornell in Ithaca New York is the only Ivy league school he thinks he could make. He says if he had got two more questions correct he would have scored 169 and could have applied to UC Berkeley, around #5 with a good chance of being accepted.

What about starting salaries and mid careet salaries at blue collar type Universtities such as Cal State Northridge or schools such as San Jose State, Boise State, Eastern Michigan, Western Podunk, you know, just decent average universities for the common man or woman. What my Son has suggested is that the starting salaries are quite a bit lower, perhaps 25% to 30%, and not only that, but you will not get as many job offers but if you get into a company and do good work, you will make up the 25-30% salary gap and after 5 years or so you will make as much as someone from an elite school.

Of course, if you plan on going into business for yourself, the prestige of your school is not as important because you will sink or swim entirely based on how good of a service you provide. In the opening phases of your business, a big name school will allow you to charge more than a blue collar school and perhaps give you a better chance of succeeding but after a few years, the advantages of the big name school probably will not play a part.

Whether you went to a small, liberal arts college or graduated from an Ivy League school, take a look at the list below to see if your alma mater made a top 10 earners list.

School Name / Starting Median Salary / Mid-Career Median Salary

1. Dartmouth College: $58,200 / $129,000
2. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT): $71,100 / $126,000
3. Harvard University: $60,000 / $126,000
4. Harvey Mudd College: $71,000 / $125,000
5. Stanford University: $67,500 / $124,000
6. Princeton University: $65,000 / $124,000
7. Colgate University: $51,900 / $122,000
8. University of Notre Dame: $55,300 / $121,000
9. Yale University: $56,000 / $120,000
10. University of Pennsylvania: $60,400 / $118,000

Maybe you didn't get to attend one of these top schools, but there's another factor that may contribute to a higher paycheck: your major.

According to Al Lee, PayScale's director of quantitative analysis, "Even more than where you go to school, the degree you get is a bigger influencer of your pay for the vast majority of Americans." Lee says that an English major from Harvard may end up making six figures, but that person is an exception among English majors.

Which degrees bring home the most bacon? "Ones involving numbers," says Lee. Seven of the 10 highest-earning undergraduate degrees in the report are in engineering, with economics, physics, and computer science filling out the rest.

Undergraduate Degree / Starting Median Salary / Mid-Career Median Salary

1. Aerospace Engineering: $59,600 / $109,000
2. Chemical Engineering: $65,700 / $107,000
3. Computer Engineering: $61,700 / $105,000
4. Electrical Engineering: $60,200 / $102,000
5. Economics: $50,200 / $101,000
6. Physics: $51,100 / $98,800
7. Mechanical Engineering: $58,900 / $98,300
8. Computer Science: $56,400 / $97,400
9. Industrial Engineering: $57,100 / $95,000
10. Environmental Engineering: $53,400 / $94,500

What other interesting facts did PayScale discover?

Philosophy majors earn more 10 years after college than business administration and nursing majors.
Two of the 10 most popular jobs held by Harvard University grads are executive director of a nonprofit organization and high school teacher.
Loma Linda University graduates have the highest median starting salaries at $71,400 per year. That's over $6,000 more per year than a Princeton grad.
The top paid English majors are technical writers.
The top paid political science majors are intelligence analysts.

I believe that one can get just as good an education in most majors going to a junior college for two years and then transfering to a blue collar school such as Cal State Long Beach, Cal State Northridge or Cal State Fullerton. You won't make nearly as much in starting salary but if you are good, you will gain parity with those from the top schools within about 5 years. The best scenario is to be very good at what you do and come from an elite school, then you will start at high pay and more opportunities will be open to you to work in the top rated companies. Some companies will only interview people for positions who are graduates of elite schools.
Lakey

 

[SweetnessandLight]

What kind of fur would you want???

Wouldn't fur have been fun in the early days of creation? Just think - all the fun we have petting our dogs and cats could also be lavished on our loved ones as well!

Due to the lack of fur, the first profession must have been, not prostitution as is widely claimed, but Fig Leaf harvesting and sales. Come in and get fitted for your custom designed Fig Leaf! All sizes, varying shapes, both bras and pantiess - both sexes! What did they do up North in the Arctic or down South in the Antartic?

I think they stole some other creatures fur!!!

Cats' are constantly cleaning their fur with their tongues and they are much neater about going to the bathroom than dogs. However, dogs counter with having a much more out going and loving personality, being happier to see you and being easier to train to do tricks.

Lakey

If we had fur we would be constantly petting and grooming each other like Bonobo monkeys! I would like to be either Ginger marbled tabby or Brindle! Maybe spotted, like an Ocelot! OR pure white....ummmmm

 

[lkwdblds]

What color does a Purple Surfer get when she gets a tan?

YAY!

Let's all get together and go surfing!

An old friend of mine and I used to call it OT 42!

the purple surfer

I've alway been curious. What color does a purple surfer get when she gets a tan? I would guess it would be lavender or violet. I used to go to Venice Beach when I was 9 and 10 years old. My Mom would round up a group of 6 or 7 kids on the block and take us during summer vacation. A friend of mine and I went a lot in our Jr. High and High School days, also to Venice Beach. In the 60's, some people told me that all the action was in Manhattan Beach or adjoining Hermosa and Redondo Beaches. That was where the single stewardesses operating out of nearby LAX used to live.

A young and handsome Lakey went there in 1964 at age 24. That was the best I ever looked. I weighed as low as 165 and worked out regularly at a gym and even though I have extremely white skin, I was even able to get a tan. In those days, I was reading a lot and took my latest book out on the sand and put down a blanket and read and went body surfing and read some more. If a saw an attractive single girl, usually a stewardess, I would eventually hit on her. If she didn't have a boyfriend, I would usually get her number and set a date. Having a classic book with me such as "Crime or Punishment" scored points for me. The stewardesses liked that. I was in Houston from mid 1964 to mid 1965 to work there and returned to L.A in the fall of 1965. I continued doing the above beach routine in 1966, 1967 and 1968. By 1969, I had put on weight and was about 190 lb. and stopped going surfing and then joined Scientology in mid 1970.

From '64 to '68, I was at my peak, thin and muscular with jet black thick hair, hazel greenish eyes and a nice tan and an excellent build. I think I was a good solid "9" on a 10 point scale in looks plus I could converse on many subjects. The trouble was that my comm cycle was bad and I was just "trying to be interesting" and was somewhat out of valence. I sure was a good looking guy at that time. If I had those looks now and knew what I knew now as regards communication and all the other things I know, including being interested and not interesting, I would go crazy out on the beach or in Hollywood or the Sunset Strip. Oh well, what do they say, "youth is wasted on the young."

One thing about surfing in Southern California is that the water is so cold. It is usually about 69 degrees in the summer, too cold fore my tastes. Still, I would like to join you guys.
Lakey

 

[SweetnessandLight]

I'm in for the group surfing...

Pssst! Wet suit!

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

I believe that one can get just as good an education in most majors going to a junior college for two years and then transfering to a blue collar school such as Cal State Long Beach, Cal State Northridge or Cal State Fullerton. You won't make nearly as much in starting salary but if you are good, you will gain parity with those from the top schools within about 5 years. The best scenario is to be very good at what you do and come from an elite school, then you will start at high pay and more opportunities will be open to you to work in the top rated companies. Some companies will only interview people for positions who are graduates of elite schools.
Lakey

Lakey

In our family, the kids are all like one another, they are unique. Girls at the top and bottom, boys in between.

The oldest makes the most money year in year out. High school grad at age 14. No college. Speaks several languages.

The next oldest came within a semester of graduating from Long Beach. Has his own pilates studio in Santa Monica. Does OK financially.

Next youngest, divorced from an attorney, got the kids and the bills, was cleaned out. Graduated from UCLA, has enough to get by. Not exactly a good role model for fiscal soundness.

Next, no college, works in landscaping. Married to a veterinarian. Owns a couple of houses. rents one out. Doing OK.

Next. no college. ebay geek. mid six figures, wife and kids. nice house, nothing great.

Youngest boy MA in forensic accounting. CPA. works for a big accounting company. Wife works as a teacher. Twin boys. Never enough money. Poor choices in purchased housing, entertainment (too much TV), health issues. It all adds up to nothing invested other than education. Maybe in ten years some stability will occur. His first job out of high school was as a 911 dispatcher making $70K a year. It was downhill from there for a decade and a half.

Youngest. grad student Stanford. graduated from a small liberal arts school cum laude. Her first job was when she was 3. SAG and AFTRA at age 4. Made more than her teachers most of the way through school. First post college job was product placement with Norm Marshall. $85K a year starting salary. It has been up and down from there. Currently she's costing us $5-8K a month. School ends in June --hooray!


It goes back to networking - who you know and what they think of you.

The Scientology background that the oldest and youngest had (both auditors) have served them well. like: "make it go right," communication, ARCU, setting goals, being flexible, not rigid, obnosing, work ethic, keeping exchange in, ethics conditions, and networking and more networking. Often times it is who you know.

Sometimes "who you know" is from the school you went to. The youngest, who went to college, has a heavy duty raft of friends from school. The oldest, who didn't go to school has an equally heavy duty friend set.

I think it comes down to follow your dreams. be the best person that you can be. get audited and trained and work your buns off.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Fascinating study!! My Son is going through this stuff right now. He wants to be an attorney and took the LSAT and scored high, in the top 5% with 167 but said he missed two or three easy questions that he should have got. At 167 with a 3.6 grade point average he can qualify law schools which rank between 9th highest in the Country, Cornell, and Iowa, Illinois and Minnesota which are in the low 20's, high teens and Michigan which is # 13 or UCLA and USC in the mid teens. Cornell in Ithaca New York is the only Ivy league school he thinks he could make. He says if he had got two more questions correct he would have scored 169 and could have applied to UC Berkeley, around #5 with a good chance of being accepted.

What about starting salaries and mid careet salaries at blue collar type Universtities such as Cal State Northridge or schools such as San Jose State, Boise State, Eastern Michigan, Western Podunk, you know, just decent average universities for the common man or woman. What my Son has suggested is that the starting salaries are quite a bit lower, perhaps 25% to 30%, and not only that, but you will not get as many job offers but if you get into a company and do good work, you will make up the 25-30% salary gap and after 5 years or so you will make as much as someone from an elite school.

Of course, if you plan on going into business for yourself, the prestige of your school is not as important because you will sink or swim entirely based on how good of a service you provide. In the opening phases of your business, a big name school will allow you to charge more than a blue collar school and perhaps give you a better chance of succeeding but after a few years, the advantages of the big name school probably will not play a part.

My daughter, who goes to grad school, wishes she had gone to Stanford as an undergrad. She thinks the work load is more challenging.

My take is: put yourself (your kid, etc) in the toughest most challenging environment that you can. You're only young once. The older you get, the lesser amount of energy you have. Take on as many jobs, learn as many skills, make as many friends as you can. All of those things serve you well over time.

I've only taken mild scattering of college classes. I don't like school.


I like education.

When I was a kid, I was fixing tractors, butchering chickens, cows, pigs, deer, building outbuildings, doing wiring, raising crops, picking crops, putting in sewer line.

The school system psychically said that manual labor was for stupids. I bought that for some years. I was one of the smart kids, so no one looked down on me. By the time I was a junior in high school, I was ready to drop out. School was much too much like a prison. I stayed through my senior year and graduated. But, there was no force on earth that was going to squeeze my thetan into college. I did get accepted to UC on grades and SAT.

I knew how to do a lot of things that none of my school mates knew. In the 60s, I was getting $25 an hour. I got a house. I went Clear, did the shsbc, started a center. Sold the center, got married had a family and moved right along.

I used to think that I had missed something by not flipping burgers at Mickey D's. Actually, I just did all the grunt work as a kid. Serving as an apprentice is a good thing for everyone. So by the time my school mates were going to college, I was hanging with an older crew, doing things.

The purpose of school is to learn to do things and to make a lot of networking connections for grown up life.

I had been doing that since I was knee high to a grasshopper. I didn't need or want school.

If your son wanted my advice, I say take the LSATs over. Study for them Princeton Review or Kaplan. Get the absolute best score possible. Go to the hardest school. Work hard. Make friends. Set the patterns that will hold you in good stead for a lifetime.