The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[Gizmo]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Today I had reached an extreme low point in my life [in a way],
then the telephone rang ... and things started to look a little better ...
I still see no reasons for cheering.
It seems like I can never ever get what I want.
It had taken lots of serious convincing to bring me to that point,
therefore I'm still rather seriously convinced of that. ;-|
Of course I don't like it, therefore I may be liable to get rid of it, as soon as such would be possible.

To each his own - but I have my take on that.

It seems each of us tend to "want" something than sometimes is expressed as a "goal" or even seen as a " perfection".

Seems like as we learn from life we move ( change if you prefer ) on own " wants" ( goals or whatever one calls it ).

At a glance it seems we never get there ! Hmm, 'twas we who moved our own " wants " ( etc ).

Sometimes it seems the beauty of life - if not what really should be cherished along the way - in the journey, the pursuit, the chase rather than the attainment of it.

As a wise one once said " Stop & Smell the roses along the way ".

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

Re: THE OLD DAYS - ABOARD THE APOLLO - 1973

"Scientology is the only religion in the world.....with a Cashiers
booth"cm
After I left Scientology I had this realisation that LRH manifested all the traits of a suppressive person to the
letter.He always was blaming "wrong target",and as he put it,"ki king the cat".It could be what he could least confront in himself and anyone else,the traits of a suppressive person,he projected outwardly onto others.But,according to his own thinking,whomever you blame,you elect as cause over yourself.Practically everybody ever in Scientology was eventually declared suppressive,LRH's infamous projection.

I always liked that one. I think it goes something to the effect: "Blame is the assignment of cause for your condition to something or someone else".

Where did he say that?

So by extension, if OSA blames Ex-Scientologists for their problems then we are at cause over OSA and visa versa.

You can have a lot of fun with this. We are OSA and OSA are us. We made the choice to get into Scientology, we joined staff, we did what we were told, we stayed a lot longer than common sense dictated. It is convenient to put all of this on LRH or the evil little Pope but that doesn't explain why we ignored all the red flags. And as for the church - you create us. Every new recruit is a potential defector. To the extent the Ex community grows and becomes more vocal the church must increase security measures on its own people which exponentially causes more defection.

The sooner you leave the easier it is to build a new life. You don't have any savings, you don't have a car, your Social Security account is paltry or non-existent, you have few or no non-Scientology connections, your resume is all church stuff with few real world skills, you have no credit to even apply for an apartment.

If you are everything the church says you are then none of this should be a problem.

We are waiting. We understand.

 

[Helena Handbasket]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Today I had reached an extreme low point in my life [in a way],
then the telephone rang ... and things started to look a little better ...
I still see no reasons for cheering.
It seems like I can never ever get what I want.
It had taken lots of serious convincing to bring me to that point,
therefore I'm still rather seriously convinced of that. ;-|
Of course I don't like it, therefore I may be liable to get rid of it, as soon as such would be possible.

I sympathize with you, IV.

The one thing I want most I can never have.

Helena

 

[Elcrapaco]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Each to their own and whatever floats your boat.If over 1000 people state that EST or landmark changed their life for the better,whether true or false from your perspective,its still their experience.Any extreme reaction to their statement,whether zealously attached to EST or vehemently anti are 2 sides of the coin and,IMO,equally deluded.

 

[Elcrapaco]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Really? Koos Nolst Trenite? I mean really? That was one of the very few people who's ever made it into my kill-file (ban-list), back in the old Usenet/ARS days - and deservedly so, I might add...

Wow,Koos still affects you to this very day? Seriously?For real?Gee,Im sorry.lol

 

[MrNobody]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Wow,Koos still affects you to this very day? Seriously?For real?Gee,Im sorry.lol

He never ever affected me. What he did affect, was the expensive storage space on my computers and some transmission time on my servers. As I've said: a simple entry in my killfiles fixed that minor annoyance. And nothing of value was lost.

 

[Elcrapaco]

Re: THE OLD DAYS - ABOARD THE APOLLO - 1973

I always liked that one. I think it goes something to the effect: "Blame is the assignment of cause for your condition to something or someone else".

Where did he say that?

So by extension, if OSA blames Ex-Scientologists for their problems then we are at cause over OSA and visa versa.

You can have a lot of fun with this. We are OSA and OSA are us. We made the choice to get into Scientology, we joined staff, we did what we were told, we stayed a lot longer than common sense dictated. It is convenient to put all of this on LRH or the evil little Pope but that doesn't explain why we ignored all the red flags. And as for the church - you create us. Every new recruit is a potential defector. To the extent the Ex community grows and becomes more vocal the church must increase security measures on its own people which exponentially causes more defection.

The sooner you leave the easier it is to build a new life. You don't have any savings, you don't have a car, your Social Security account is paltry or non-existent, you have few or no non-Scientology connections, your resume is all church stuff with few real world skills, you have no credit to even apply for an apartment.

If you are everything the church says you are then none of this should be a problem.

We are waiting. We understand.

I like how you rephrase the cause/effect line of thinking.And according to journalist Ortega,The official COS and DM are
falling apart exponentially.The more DM fires a hail of bullets at a wall,upon which he has meticulously pinned 2,000
names of ex-scn,the faster the rate of defection,the crazier he becomes,hopefully the sooner he makes a major legal error
that irreversibly damages his position.Also,any defector today can appeal to the community of non-scientologists and get more support than they did from the COS their first week.Im certain there are funds created by ex-scn to help people who leave and have
no money,no assets.

 

[Elcrapaco]

Re: THE OLD DAYS - ABOARD THE APOLLO - 1973

I always liked that one. I think it goes something to the effect: "Blame is the assignment of cause for your condition to something or someone else".

Where did he say that?

So by extension, if OSA blames Ex-Scientologists for their problems then we are at cause over OSA and visa versa.

You can have a lot of fun with this. We are OSA and OSA are us. We made the choice to get into Scientology, we joined staff, we did what we were told, we stayed a lot longer than common sense dictated. It is convenient to put all of this on LRH or the evil little Pope but that doesn't explain why we ignored all the red flags. And as for the church - you create us. Every new recruit is a potential defector. To the extent the Ex community grows and becomes more vocal the church must increase security measures on its own people which exponentially causes more defection.

The sooner you leave the easier it is to build a new life. You don't have any savings, you don't have a car, your Social Security account is paltry or non-existent, you have few or no non-Scientology connections, your resume is all church stuff with few real world skills, you have no credit to even apply for an apartment.

If you are everything the church says you are then none of this should be a problem.

We are waiting. We understand.

Correct!!The minute OSA blames you for their problems,something they cannot chose to undo.Its embedded in

their ethics tech/brainwashing,they have put you at cause over them.If you start talking to them about the volcano

explosions and they plug their ears,now theyre totally at effect.This will expedite ,for example, a refund cycle(tried and tested technique).
Before I got to this point,I was blaming them,felt cheated and was in victim consciousness.I observe that victim consciousness on these boards.Its totally understandable.Still,I hope every person in this group is somehow able to launch a class action lawsuit against CO$ to retrieve the money they owe you in damages.Focus on the money they owe you.(let the court focus on the damages).They do owe you,BTW.They owed me and paid up.Because they paid me begrudgingly, They put me even further at cause over them.

 

[Gizmo]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I sort of drifted back to the 2 lovely 26 year old gals in Barbados that were looking hot a hot 40 year worldly man to spend 2 luscious weeks with.

Most men by age 40 have worked through the self satisfying teen age years and into having learned through their 20's & 30's through their wide & deep experiences how to bring to the table whatever please their mate.

Ah, and at 40 here is a master of love making ready to create with those young ladies such incredible heights that would last them a lifetime ! They'd always swoon forever after over the indelible memories of the time they went to heights they'd never even dare dream of !

Ah, those intense weeks on an Island Paradise ! And It'd work both ways ! For a guy to look back on a trip that proved to be sexually as good as it gets - and beyond !

But, ah, was not to be. Oh well memories anyway.

Man, that story had such potential. And staying power all these years later !


On the flip side such an encounter could leave one like Al Capone ended up..... deep sea fishing in a back yard swimming pool.

While,. I'm not a fan of per-ordained destiny it could be, maybe, that what happens in our life happens for a reason - or maybe no reason.

Each of us could be on some course never to be knocked off of it by anything or anyone we or could be a ping pong ball in a hurricane just going which ever way the wind happens to blow at the moment.

Maybe it matters. Maybe it doesn't.

I'd vote ( only for myself ) to make the best of today... but do it right today not somewhere in the future.

Is love the key ? Is there even a key........or a lock ? Oh, a combination to it ? OK.

Love making more or a less takes a combination, doesn't it ?

Time out, incoming message.

This has always been a very sexy thread of chances thatdidn't bear the hoped for fruit, here is some more !

Or,having fun with : Times one says they didn't did it. <- that name is available for a book title ?

Maybe just hold it down to one for each guy or gal with a memory of one that got way.

The one that continues to nag as the greatest piece you never had !

That one stand out that slipped away from your eagerly waiting arms !

All that was looked forward to & all that never came about !

But, oh wait, was there more than ONE of these ? Was there a whole string through out life that just seemed to stay right out of grasp ?

Ah, what stories could be told. What pain could be eased !

Maybe some posters or readers of this very thread have something to contribute along the line of pent up visions of sexual encounters that never happened ?

Not naming names, but the one I remember was this gorgeous person with a house-hold known name of the era & still. Even took, as they say, took a real fancy to me & was unabashedly open interest in me.

I was invited into the on set trailor however the person I was with at the time expressed verbal objections to the consummation og that offer & I yielded to those protests.

Never again were we on set together so that was our only & last encounter.

Ah, what could be have been an afternoon delight !

High school ? Oh lordy !

College ? Yikes !

Out on the road travelling ? Wow !

In the office ?

So so many opportunities with unmistakable clarity of the available intense pleasure that somehow didn't happen as they could have - is that an oddity of life or happen to most of us ?

Oh, nobody stayed a virgin forever did they ?

.....

Time out : I have to go respond to be winked at. [ Rule #1 : Try to never waste heat ]

 

[strativarius]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This has always been a very sexy thread of chances that didn't bear the hoped for fruit, here is some more !
<snip>
The one that continues to nag as the greatest piece you never had!
<snip>

Well, there was the one time I brought this angel back to mine from the Roundhouse in Chalk Farm where I had dropped some 'mandies' (Mandrax). I remember lying on my bed watching with interest as she unzipped her leather boots... The next thing I saw was her opening the door some minutes later and letting herself out. I don't think she was too impressed with my having passed out in the meantime.

I never ever took Mandrax again.

Will that do?

 

[Gizmo]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Well, there was the one time I brought this angel back to mine from the Roundhouse in Chalk Farm where I had dropped some 'mandies' (Mandrax). I remember lying on my bed watching with interest as she unzipped her leather boots... The next thing I saw was her opening the door some minutes later and letting herself out. I don't think she was too impressed with my having passed out in the meantime.

I never ever took Mandrax again.

Will that do?

More than do !

Along way both of boys & girls made some mighty mis-steps, no steps, over steps... along with falling on our faces, passing out, throwing up & countless other ways of putting ourselves in the way of getting laid !

Moar !

 

[Maria Cuervo]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This is not original to me but it applies: Scientology; what's good is not unique. What's unique is not good. Leave the subject alone. Go get laid.

Right...time for a romantic interlude. That diarrhea psychophant praise of Scn was starting to make me feel we talking politics (again).

 

[Maria Cuervo]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Each to their own and whatever floats your boat.If over 1000 people state that EST or landmark changed their life for the better,whether true or false from your perspective,its still their experience.Any extreme reaction to their statement,whether zealously attached to EST or vehemently anti are 2 sides of the coin and,IMO,equally deluded.

Who am I to tell someone who's straining to achieve their goal that sticking their head up their butt is not the best way to get to China? I will always stand out of people's way when they are carrying out the truth as they see it!! The world is stocked, end to end, with geniuses.

So yes, I stand corrected. You are SO right! Thank you.

 

[Maria Cuervo]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Oh...and I assume included in the free and deluded are the psychopaths?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/victorl...bing-link-between-psychopathy-and-leadership/

 

[Maria Cuervo]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

After being around the forum for a couple of months I want to reiterate the finding that hanging around on the Apollo deck is a lot nicer than most anything else I do here on the forum. Seems like it can be any of these at any given time: a free for all, an intense conversation, the morning after, a helpful explanation, great fun....So here here to the Apollo - and a nice little song by the Byrds.

[video=youtube;NyOzGPbn2tg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyOzGPbn2tg[/video]

 

[Elcrapaco]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Uh, & you wonder about my mental state ?

I do love your humor !

Gizmo,are you still miffed?..lol....creating a muffled tempest in a teapot.
Actually,old chap,one of the sanest things an Ex or active Scientologist could do would be to overpower DM and put him in the RPF.We could build a steel bar cage,Brousseau constructed,from which DM could not escape.Ill bet if that occurred youd be cheering from the sidelines,though probably hiding behind an anonymous mask...lol...

 

[Elcrapaco]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Who am I to tell someone who's straining to achieve their goal that sticking their head up their butt is not the best way to get to China? I will always stand out of people's way when they are carrying out the truth as they see it!! The world is stocked, end to end, with geniuses.

So yes, I stand corrected. You are SO right! Thank you.

Im glad youve seen "the light".

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Gizmo,are you still miffed?..lol....creating a muffled tempest in a teapot.
Actually,old chap,one of the sanest things an Ex or active Scientologist could do would be to overpower DM and put him in the RPF.We could build a steel bar cage,Brousseau constructed,from which DM could not escape.Ill bet if that occurred youd be cheering from the sidelines,though probably hiding behind an anonymous mask...lol...

I have a spare eternal battery you can borrow.

 

[Maria Cuervo]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Gizmo,are you still miffed?..lol....creating a muffled tempest in a teapot.
Actually,old chap,one of the sanest things an Ex or active Scientologist could do would be to overpower DM and put him in the RPF.We could build a steel bar cage,Brousseau constructed,from which DM could not escape.Ill bet if that occurred youd be cheering from the sidelines,though probably hiding behind an anonymous mask...lol...

According to a hastily written note attached to a bar chair, Gizmo is apparently in the boudoir and can't take messages right now.

 

[Terril park]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Hi Maria, you said you'd like to see my paintings. I used to have 2 on
my website which got "Frozen". I believe I can get that reversed, and if I can
I'll post on this thread.