The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[hbeer]

You have got to be careful what you postulate. If you want a fast time, you have got to postulate it.

[...]

Getting back to your original question, if you want fast time in a postulate, you have to include that as part of the postulate but it has to be a time which is realistic in the physical universe. I mean if you are 100 miles away from Las Vegas and you are driving there, you can not postulate you will be there in 20 minutes and have it work, but you can postulate you will be there in an hour and a half if you don't stop for lunch.

The other thing is to watch out what you postulate. If you just say, I'll receive $100,000 in two weeks, you might find that a loved one, one of your parents, was killed in a car crash and left you $100,000 but you would rather have the parent alive than the money. When I postulate now, I always include a rider such as "with nobody getting hurt or killed and nobody having to break the law". Anyway, these are my tips on the subject. It is a large subject and would be a good one to start a new thread on. I am sure a lot of other people will give you their tips on this as well.

Lakey

Very interesting and very well said!

What I haven't figured out yet are the "road blocks" I sometimes encounter. They are so tangible, I could kick them with my feet.

I could bet that there are other people involved, invisible people on the "other side", and if they don't approve, I can postulate all I want and only run into walls.




Heidrun Beer
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Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
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www.RecastReality.org

 

[hbeer]

In 1999 I was approaching 60 years old and I had been suffering from high blood pressure since 1986 and an enlarged prostate gland. I remember discussing with my Mom in the mid 70's that I was a Dianetic completion and I had received 300 hours of expanded Dianetics, a brand new technology at that time. I told Mom that I did not believe I would age but that I could keep my body youthful indefinitely. My Mom just laughed and said, "You are going to age, you'll see." She was right! It is true I was a bit different than most in that I looked about 10 years younger, I had a lightning quick memory and a very youthful voice and attitude and my years in C of S were probably the reason for these benefits. I would talk to someone on the phone and they would think I was in my 20's or 30's. Anyhow, my weight had balooned to 240and my blood pressure situation was becoming critical so I went to a WOG doctor and they gave me about 5 various pills to take. These bills brought down my blood pressure but they had a devastating effect on my mind. The razor sharp memory I was so proud of was knocked out by the drugs. Taking them, it was like I was walking in a vapor, I could not remeber names, faces, where I put my keyes, what appointments I had been on yesterday.

Wow.

Now, I'm only on page 4 of 62, and very likely someone has commented on this, or maybe you did yourself in a later post - so let me just make a quick note to make sure that an important issue is not overlooked.

I know these health situations from myself and family members and have researched them extensively. There is an underlying condition of clogged up blood vessels for which there is a remedy, very much suppressed by the medical mafia, uuuhhh... medical industry in the US (or at least for many decades - not sure about the present time situation).

It is called chelation therapy with a substance called EDTA. This cleans out all the garbage from the arteries that is building up there over the years. With that it is actually possible to stay at a biological age of 40 until we drop dead at age 120, still feeling youthful.

I tested it myself and it worked just great.

What fascinates me about it is the fact that this activity is so similar to auditing. It is the same action of removing residual masses. Once it is done on an energetic level (mental masses in the mind), and once it is done in the body (plaque buildup in the arteries), but the concept of cleaning up the past is the same!



Best,


Heidrun Beer
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Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
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[Enthetan]

By the way, I am reading Nancy Many's book and it is a very good read. Fast paced, well laid out and it always keeps moving, no dull spots. Seeing things from another person's eyes in book form rather than short posts is very enlightening. Her initial reactions to the RPF were extremely interesting, I can't wait to read more. I was thinking, the RPF did not yet exist when I left the S.O. but if I knew what it was, I am pretty sure I would have refused to join and would have insisted on being routed out. This thing about always runing, keeping your head down with no eye contact and not being allowed to talk to anyone would not have been acceptable to me. I never agreed to that amount of degradation from other beings. I would have never been RPFed even if it meant forfeiting my life. Even if you make it through and graduate, you're scarred for ever as a spiritual being. You end up a broken piece or worse a shattered piece. I imagine one could be rehabbed but what an ordeal it would be confronting and re experiencing such total degration of one's beingness.
Lakey

This is why I decided to blow rather than route out the regular way. At the point that you started to route out, you would be put on MESTwork that was effectively RPF, and it would be many months before you got your routing-out sec check.

When I was leaving, I had a stiletto with me. I had decided that anybody trying to illegally restrain me from leaving was going to get cut.

If I had been RPF'ed, I probably would have behaved like a meek little RPF'er -- right up to the point where I had a chance to get my hands on a weapon, or was out on the public street and saw a police car.

 

[Blue Spirit]

A Book

Very interesting and very well said!

What I haven't figured out yet are the "road blocks" I sometimes encounter. They are so tangible, I could kick them with my feet.

I could bet that there are other people involved, invisible people on the "other side", and if they don't approve, I can postulate all I want and only run into walls.




Heidrun Beer
www.freezoneauditors.org/auditor/profile/105/

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
www.sgmt.at
www.RecastReality.org

Read "Gods In Disguise" by Alan Walter; see first chapter.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

This is why I decided to blow rather than route out the regular way. At the point that you started to route out, you would be put on MESTwork that was effectively RPF, and it would be many months before you got your routing-out sec check.

When I was leaving, I had a stiletto with me. I had decided that anybody trying to illegally restrain me from leaving was going to get cut.

If I had been RPF'ed, I probably would have behaved like a meek little RPF'er -- right up to the point where I had a chance to get my hands on a weapon, or was out on the public street and saw a police car.

My kind of thetan or Enthetan as the case may be. The supreme test of an Enthetan is the ability to make things go right.

 

[lkwdblds]

Very Interesting approach...

This is why I decided to blow rather than route out the regular way. At the point that you started to route out, you would be put on MESTwork that was effectively RPF, and it would be many months before you got your routing-out sec check.

Its disgusting, their lies contribute to your wanting to leave and then they keep you in with more lies and delay the proper exit process. It wasn't as bad 1n 1973 but when I decided to go see the American Embassy while on libs and told them I was a traveler who had lost my passport and was ordered back to the Apollo by the Embassy, I moved classification from being someone who could be abused indefinitely to someone who was a securtity risk and had to be gotten rid of quickly. I have read of other people who have achieved this status of being a security risk and were instantly off loaded. Knowing this piece of data could be very helpful to someone who wants to get out.

When I was leaving, I had a stiletto with me. I had decided that anybody trying to illegally restrain me from leaving was going to get cut.

If I had been RPF'ed, I probably would have behaved like a meek little RPF'er -- right up to the point where I had a chance to get my hands on a weapon, or was out on the public street and saw a police car.

It sounds like you developed "cutting edge technology" for leaving staff. I've read about people hailing a police car and then the Org staff telling the police that you are mentally unbalanced and they are just trying to help you and restore you to mental health. Some police buy it and others don't.
Lakey

 

[thetanic]

I just finished listening to the Ray and Pam Kemp videos for a second time.

These are unlike anything that most have heard, and I strongly recommend them, even though 2 hours in total length. There are insights into the power of the tech, why the OT levels are largely superfluous, and the Bad LRH side, as well as lots more, like what Expanded Dianetics really was.

http://www.xenutv.com/panels/kemp.htm

I really loved listening to them too. When I got in, they were recently declared, so I was always under the impression that they were big bad SPs.

They're also great videos because they are warm and affectionate in a way that many aren't.

 

[thetanic]

It is called chelation therapy with a substance called EDTA. This cleans out all the garbage from the arteries that is building up there over the years.

Better yet, see the QuackWatch page about that "therapy."

 

[lkwdblds]

I tried chelation therapy already

Wow.

Now, I'm only on page 4 of 62, and very likely someone has commented on this, or maybe you did yourself in a later post - so let me just make a quick note to make sure that an important issue is not overlooked.

I know these health situations from myself and family members and have researched them extensively. There is an underlying condition of clogged up blood vessels for which there is a remedy, very much suppressed by the medical mafia, uuuhhh... medical industry in the US (or at least for many decades - not sure about the present time situation).

It is called chelation therapy with a substance called EDTA. This cleans out all the garbage from the arteries that is building up there over the years. With that it is actually possible to stay at a biological age of 40 until we drop dead at age 120, still feeling youthful.

I tested it myself and it worked just great.

What fascinates me about it is the fact that this activity is so similar to auditing. It is the same action of removing residual masses. Once it is done on an energetic level (mental masses in the mind), and once it is done in the body (plaque buildup in the arteries), but the concept of cleaning up the past is the same!



Best,


Heidrun Beer
www.freezoneauditors.org/auditor/profile/105/

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
www.sgmt.at
www.RecastReality.org

Thanks for thinking of me but I already tried chelation therapy around 2003. I had a full series of 30 treatments and at first I felt great and my coloring looked good. However, about 22 treatments into the series, I failed a treadmill test at my cardiologist and went in for an angiogram which revealed two blocked coronary arteries, one 90% blocked and one 99% blocked. My cardiologist inserted 2 stents to open the arteries up. The porcedure takes only a half hour or so and is painless and I was able to go home the next morning and return to work after one more day. In 2005, I had a third stent put in. Since then I have been just fine. My body built up a tolerance to the medication so my long term memory returned to 100% or higher, perhaps 120%. My short term memory is fairly good but not great.

The chelation did not cause any arterial blockage but my blockage was too far advanced for chelation to open the arteries back up. Only stents could do that.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

My opinion is as follows.....

Very interesting and very well said!

What I haven't figured out yet are the "road blocks" I sometimes encounter. They are so tangible, I could kick them with my feet.

I could bet that there are other people involved, invisible people on the "other side", and if they don't approve, I can postulate all I want and only run into walls.

This is only my opinion and if you start to feel introverted, dizzy, or more massy, stop reading it. Maybe go outside and give yourself a locational.

The opinion is that regarding "the other people involved, invisible people on the other side," they are also either postulates you have made yourself or some entrapment mechanism created by others that you have agreed to as being real. If by reading this, you can direct your attention to this area and blow it by inspection, then fine. If you can not do so and the area starts beefing up and becomming more solid, then you should get professional help to properly handle it. I certainly do not want to encourage self auditing but I do not know your level of training in these type of matters. If you are at a point where it will blow by looking at it, its worth a shot but if that does not happen and it starts to beef up, do not chew on it and think about it but just drop it and seek professional help.

Heidrun Beer
www.freezoneauditors.org/auditor/profile/105/

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
www.sgmt.at
www.RecastReality.org

Also, get more opinions than just mine. Maybe talk to someone who is trained to handle such things. If you are not up to blowing it by inspection, and try to wrestle with it on a figure-figure basis, you only make matters worese, sometimes much worse.
Lakey

 

[janisgrady]

CCLA and Yvonne

Thanks for taking on the responsiblity of writing up how CCLA first started.
Yvonne was the CO AOLA at the time and yes, she started it out of a file cabinet draw, then she and Fred Payer were fired on mission to start a booking office in late '69, from the Booking Office she built a Celebrity Center, that was her origination and her efforts to expand the booking office. She idd it with little to no financing. Diana Hubbard as CS 6 gave Yvonne alot of aircover and protected her from the likes of Jane Kember the Guardian WW as Jane did not like Yvonne communicating with government officals.

Yvonne having grown up as a high society Australian debutante, knew the ways of the powerful and wealthy. LRH knew this of her when he accepted her proposal. He often referred to her as "the Celebrity of celebrities".

CCLA was built from the ground up by Yvonne and her loyal staff. She also worked the field and her execs/staff to set up CCs around the US and other locations. She personally toured the US and Mexico putting on dissemination events to help drive public into the missions and orgs while still running CCLA.
It was not, as stated by Tommy Davis, started by a group of artists - another lie to add to his many.

When Yvonne passed away in Jan '78, DM was an assistant cameraman and
knew nothing as to what it had taken to build CC to what it was. There is a specific LRH order about CCLA having a shrine for Yvonne. When I was WDC CC, this order was well known and complied with - there was an office setup with her many awards, including a board in the hall where all the keys to various cities, that had been awarded to her, hung. There was even a lounge that friends of Yvonne could go and hang and just feel comfortable in her space.

I found it very interesting that a later WDC CC, who held the post for 15 years and also oversaw the renovations of the manor which took away Yvonne's office, never knew of the LRH order about Yvonne's shrine.

Time makes no difference as to what someone has accomplished - if they did it, they did it and the acknowledgement belongs with them not the johnny come lately.

Janis Gillham-Grady

 

[Blue Spirit]

Worst SP's

I really loved listening to them too. When I got in, they were recently declared, so I was always under the impression that they were big bad SPs.

They're also great videos because they are warm and affectionate in a way that many aren't.

The "worst" Sp's are usually just the ones who decided to not sell their

integrity and saw the light after giving Scientology too much of a chance.

The bad side of Hubbard was VERY destructive and he seemed to relish it like

the one I'm dealing with (or not) now, a clone of Hubbard, but with less power.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

More Teachable Moments!

It sounds like you developed "cutting edge technology" for leaving staff. I've read about people hailing a police car and then the Org staff telling the police that you are mentally unbalanced and they are just trying to help you and restore you to mental health. Some police buy it and others don't.Lakey

Here's why we need to educate local law enforcement very well wherever there is an Org large enough to have people held captive, RPF or not. This is our responsability because we know the truth about this, and they all don't yet. Some do!

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Not alter-ising History!

Thanks for taking on the responsiblity of writing up how CCLA first started.
Yvonne was the CO AOLA at the time and yes, she started it out of a file cabinet draw, then she and Fred Payer were fired on mission to start a booking office in late '69, from the Booking Office she built a Celebrity Center, that was her origination and her efforts to expand the booking office. She idd it with little to no financing. Diana Hubbard as CS 6 gave Yvonne alot of aircover and protected her from the likes of Jane Kember the Guardian WW as Jane did not like Yvonne communicating with government officals.

Yvonne having grown up as a high society Australian debutante, knew the ways of the powerful and wealthy. LRH knew this of her when he accepted her proposal. He often referred to her as "the Celebrity of celebrities".

CCLA was built from the ground up by Yvonne and her loyal staff. She also worked the field and her execs/staff to set up CCs around the US and other locations. She personally toured the US and Mexico putting on dissemination events to help drive public into the missions and orgs while still running CCLA.
It was not, as stated by Tommy Davis, started by a group of artists - another lie to add to his many.

When Yvonne passed away in Jan '78, DM was an assistant cameraman and
knew nothing as to what it had taken to build CC to what it was. There is a specific LRH order about CCLA having a shrine for Yvonne. When I was WDC CC, this order was well known and complied with - there was an office setup with her many awards, including a board in the hall where all the keys to various cities, that had been awarded to her, hung. There was even a lounge that friends of Yvonne could go and hang and just feel comfortable in her space.

I found it very interesting that a later WDC CC, who held the post for 15 years and also oversaw the renovations of the manor which took away Yvonne's office, never knew of the LRH order about Yvonne's shrine.

Time makes no difference as to what someone has accomplished - if they did it, they did it and the acknowledgement belongs with them not the johnny come lately.

Janis Gillham-Grady

Janis, thanks for adding to the record here. I really do hope we see some permanent work come out of all this reminising... maybe a book and a documentary, telling the whole story...it is So Cal history!

Do you or does anyone have any pictures of the shrine, her office, etc? And what happened to the bust, any artwork, her certs, etc? Wasn't that offered to family, at least, when it was removed? What a lovely idea to create a lounge where her friends could gather or just go to relax and feel close to her. I hope someone will do the same thing for Alan out at the ranch. I did something similar for my parents in my garden.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

An Ack and Two Welcomes!

Hi Carmelo!!!!

It is sooo true...I wished a good session and there you were...out of the blue...you got me in session and...you are the best auditor I ever had...in just one session you handled all the stuff that I had not been able to handle in a long long time....

Thanks for being there and for being my friend...

Love you bunchs...

Diana

Whoa, baby! Carmelo, coming from Diana, this is a BIG ACK!!! Wowiiee!

Well, I'm impressed...and that's saying a lot! Your stock just rose!

Hello Diana, it's great to see you joining us here on this thread. I was just postulating someone who can help me translate some writing into Spanish, and you came to mind last night, and then appear here today. Always good to have your input!

Lakey, LOOK, your thread is pulling in Newbies!!! That is the equivilent of an emmy. Mondo brownie points, Buddy!

Heidrun, Welcome! Does anyone ever call you Heidi? I'm so glad you decided to join us here on ESMB. There are a great bunch of people here! I can vouch for the fact that Lakey will have affinity flows with Austria and Austrians, and that he has reality on past life stuff there. You may find you have lots in common! Believe it or not I could understand much of what you wrote, thanks to my Mennonite Grandma, I guess. I would translate that word "fesseln" as "gripping", a gripping tale...

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Postulate a ladder, a door, a tunnel, or wings to fly over all obstacles!

Very interesting and very well said!

What I haven't figured out yet are the "road blocks" I sometimes encounter. They are so tangible, I could kick them with my feet.

I could bet that there are other people involved, invisible people on the "other side", and if they don't approve, I can postulate all I want and only run into walls.

Heidrun Beer
www.freezoneauditors.org/auditor/profile/105/

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
www.sgmt.at
www.RecastReality.org

My Dad used to say that if you just kept moving on with intention, in your forward momentum, so to speak, that if your efforts were right action (would do good and not harm you or others) that when you came real close to what seemed like solid roadblocks, you would clearly see either a way around, under or over them, or they would just vanish in front of you like the mist, being illusions. NEVER let another's postulates stop your own, no matter who or where they are. Only stop your own because you chose to do so, because you've got more light to see by and see a better path or course of action.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

I'd rather fight than switch!

This is why I decided to blow rather than route out the regular way. At the point that you started to route out, you would be put on MESTwork that was effectively RPF, and it would be many months before you got your routing-out sec check.

When I was leaving, I had a stiletto with me. I had decided that anybody trying to illegally restrain me from leaving was going to get cut.

If I had been RPF'ed, I probably would have behaved like a meek little RPF'er -- right up to the point where I had a chance to get my hands on a weapon, or was out on the public street and saw a police car.

I'm with you Entheta, I'd like to think I would have prevented myself from ever being in that position (and in fact I did by not drinking the kool-aide, even back when it was a kinder, gentler corporate fraud cult), but if others had tried to force or blackmail me onto the RPF, I would have fought tooth and nail to stay free. I would have caused the biggest flap they had ever seen, and left multiple bodies in my wake, as I left. I'm postulating that more and more people will stand up and fight, and flap for their rights as free beings.

 

[Enthetan]

I'm with you Entheta, I'd like to think I would have prevented myself from ever being in that position (and in fact I did by not drinking the kool-aide, even back when it was a kinder, gentler corporate fraud cult), but if others had tried to force or blackmail me onto the RPF, I would have fought tooth and nail to stay free. I would have caused the biggest flap they had ever seen, and left multiple bodies in my wake, as I left. I'm postulating that more and more people will stand up and fight, and flap for their rights as free beings.

A staff or public who faces illegal restraint would be best off in making the biggest flap possible, right there. Do not allow them to take you anywhere where they can deal with you out of sight of others. Grab the nearest heavy object and throw it through a street-facing window. Scream. Inflict serious bodily injury on the people trying to grab you. Whatever it takes to get outside their comfort zone and decide that letting you go would be the best idea.

Keep in mind that if you seriously injure one of your captors, they cannot have you arrested for it without opening themselves up for questions about why you found it necessary to defend yourself against them. And any bruises, cuts or marks on YOU in the process of defending yourself are evidence against THEM.

An essay, somewhat famous in certain circles, has applicability: "What I Have Learned From the Twentieth Century -- With thanks to Schoolmasters Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot"

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Rubbing my eyes...

Love all goddesses.

Oh Terril dear, is that auburn hair I see peeking out from under that pink hat?

 

[Blue Spirit]

WARNING

Oh Terril dear, is that auburn hair I see peeking out from under that pink hat?

A Warning S & L, he is married.