The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[SweetnessandLight]

O.K.

Sorry, Blue. I have no desire to muddy this or any other thread. I apologize if you found it upsetting.

We are reviewing and recording oral history here, and Aaron's request for factual information about Corporate Scientology and it's history and accurate current data (not their PR) is to aid the authorities in their investigations. I felt that is a worthwhile cause, no matter what individual's personal feelings about Aaron are.

I know how it is when I am following certain threads, sometimes I don't take a look at all the new threads for awhile, and I think this information needs to be gathered and collated in a timely manner.

If Lakey feels that my posting it here is inappropriate, as the Mac Daddy of this thread, I will gladly delete it.

I meant no harm and no offense to anyone here.

 

[purple haze]

Sorry Blue. I have no desire to muddy this or any other thread. I apologize if you found it upsetting.

We are reviewing and recording oral history here, and Aaron's request for factual information about Corporate Scientology and it's history and accurate current data (not their PR) is to aid the authorities in their investigations. I felt that is a worthwhile cause, no matter what individual's personal feelings about Aaron are.

I know how it is when I am following certain threads, sometimes I don't take a look at all the new threads for awhile, and I think this information needs to be gathered and collated in a timely manner.

If Lakey feels that my posting it here is inappropriate, as the Mac Daddy of this thread, I will gladly delete it.

I meant no harm and no offense to anyone here.

You're very sweet, S and L, but I must say I really enjoyed your post; of course I also enjoy diversity and the exchange of opposing ideas.

I think there's plenty of room for all of us and all our opinions and no need for us all to think the same way, or it could get quite boring here.

Let's party!

I'll get the sparkling cider!

 

[purple haze]

Guess I land in the Renegade Camp?:confused2:
Thanks, Purple, glad to know you missed the worst of it all!

I thought the renegades were the rebels

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Please don't muddy up this thread with Aaron's entheta.

He has enough threads of this stuff already.

If we're going to have a fight, can I hold your coats?

 

[Terril park]

I'll get the sparkling cider!

Oy Vey!

You need some training to be a fully accomplished
" Class VIII Dumb Blonde"!

Its Champagne....Champagne!

Cramming order:-

Watch some Maryln Monroe movies, starting with
" Gentlemen prefer Blondes."

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Oy Vey!

an English Jew?

what kind of list is this?

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Cherish Diversity!

an English Jew?

what kind of list is this?

I can answer that...MULTICULTURAL!

 

[SweetnessandLight]

No fight!

If we're going to have a fight, can I hold your coats?

No, because we've got three problems with that:

1. I'm a pacifist.
2. I like Blue Spirit far too much to fight with him.
3. I'm not wearing any coat!

But I will send Much Love and Christmas Joy to all! Merry Christmas!

Let the bubbly (whichever kind it is) flow freely!

 

[Terril park]

an English Jew?

what kind of list is this?

There are quite a few english jews. I went to a Grammer school
where half the students were jewish. From roughly 1957. They've
now left the poor east end[ cockney area] and gone upwardly
mobile.Many of my friends were jews, and still are. I lived close
to an enclave of the very orthodox Hasidem.

As it happens my grandmother on my mums side was a russian
jew. I qualify.

Oy Vey.

 

[purple haze]

Russian Jews

There are quite a few english jews. I went to a Grammer school
where half the students were jewish. From roughly 1957. They've
now left the poor east end[ cockney area] and gone upwardly
mobile.Many of my friends were jews, and still are. I lived close
to an enclave of the very orthodox Hasidem.

As it happens my grandmother on my mums side was a russian
jew. I qualify.

Oy Vey.

I'll be very happy to sip whatever bubbly you're bringing, my friend, next time you're back in town...

this blonde could use some personal training from a real pro. lol

Love to you all, no matter what race or culture!

Party Hard!

 

[hbeer]

PM's

Oh, on the business venture, I'm interested, please send more. I've received a couple of PM's from you and answered them I believe.

Hi Lakey,


I have only one PM from you, written on the 23rd re: Opera.

Maybe better to move the business matter to e-mails? I check e-mails more often than the forum, and it will be of little interest for anyone else.

Will be on the road in an hour from now to meet this potential new business partner. 2 hours driving each direction. Upon my return I will let you know whether it looks realistic. The basic idea is quite ambitious from a spiritual viewpoint; we'll have to work out whether it can possibly sell.

Send some positive energy my way for today if you want




Heidrun Beer
www.freezoneauditors.org/auditor/profile/105/

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
www.sgmt.at
www.RecastReality.org

 

[hbeer]

Thanks for picking that thought up Carmelo, you are so right! I meant to write that to Heidrun and forgot to write it in but that is exactly what's happening here. I can see so much difference and growth. In 1971 I was still young, 31 and had my life ahead of me, now nearly 39 years later I am 70but I am so changed from who I was then, that I wouldn't trade places with that guy from 1971 despite his much younger body.

It really seems as if there is a plan and meaning to life. For me to change and mature as much as I have is a miracle. The thing is I am still learning and evolving and in the last month or two at an accelerated pace.
Lakey

I have a similar feeling.

In the auditing I received in the last half year I had the chance to look into some of my past lives, and I am still amazed how much I have changed since then. Even since my early years this lifetime.

Can you spell E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N !



Best,

Heidrun Beer
www.freezoneauditors.org/auditor/profile/105/

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
www.sgmt.at
www.RecastReality.org

 

[lkwdblds]

Hi Lakey,


I have only one PM from you, written on the 23rd re: Opera.

Maybe better to move the business matter to e-mails? I check e-mails more often than the forum, and it will be of little interest for anyone else.

Will be on the road in an hour from now to meet this potential new business partner. 2 hours driving each direction. Upon my return I will let you know whether it looks realistic. The basic idea is quite ambitious from a spiritual viewpoint; we'll have to work out whether it can possibly sell.

Send some positive energy my way for today if you want



Heidrun Beer
www.freezoneauditors.org/auditor/profile/105/

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
www.sgmt.at
www.RecastReality.org

Consider the positive energy sent.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

As I read this, I came up with a new thought

I have a similar feeling.

In the auditing I received in the last half year I had the chance to look into some of my past lives, and I am still amazed how much I have changed since then. Even since my early years this lifetime.

Can you spell E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N !



Best,

Heidrun Beer
www.freezoneauditors.org/auditor/profile/105/

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
www.sgmt.at
www.RecastReality.org

As I read this I came up with a new thought. Various lives could be represented by series of sine waves If the being is evolving and increasing in size, the peaks get bigger as one moves through a life. When he starts the nex life, the peaks are small again but increase as he or she moves through life. Each life they start small again but increase through life to higher peaks than the last life..

For devolution, the opposite is true, a 180 degree reversal. The constant sine waves represent the ups and down of life in any life while the increasing or decreasing amplitudes reflect the evolution or devolution of the being at various stages of a multi life continuim.
Lakey

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

I have a similar feeling.

In the auditing I received in the last half year I had the chance to look into some of my past lives, and I am still amazed how much I have changed since then. Even since my early years this lifetime.

Can you spell E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N !

OMG, I have gained experience, but I feel the same inside, I don't feel I've changed at all. "I" have remained constant.

Fifteen years ago, when I was driving to Texas, by way of Arizona, I got this holographic movie of myself, on horseback, bareback, pursued by Cavalry. On my way home from Texas, I noticed the spot where I had seen the vision, was Cochise's Stronghold.

If you look at the photos posted on the CarmeloOrchards profile page, you'll see pictures of riders on horses - bareback. When I tried to learn to ride horseback initially, I had trouble with saddles, and quickly adapted to riding bareback because I had a better seat and feel that way.

When I went Clear in 1971, I felt more myself, and non "me" things had dropped away.

When I was 13, I walked precincts for Barry Goldwater (My parents were for Rockefeller). When I was 14, I read Ayn Rand. When I was twenty, I realized that I was a libertarian. Nearly 60 now, not a damned thing has changed.

Right now, I'm listening to Andy Williams singing Christmas songs (on my ipod) from an album I used to play on my record player when i was 14 and watched his TV show each week.

When I was a kid, my father took me climbing rocks in Yosemite every summer. When we had kids, I took them rock climbing. We're now building a rock wall in the back yard for the grandchildren. We've taken them to Yosemite.

As a kid, I used to go skinny dipping in the river. I just got the hot tub cleaned up for use this winter.

When I was a kid, I remember loving the night sky - The Moon, The Milky Way, The Pleiades, The Big Dipper and Little Dipper, Sirius, Jupiter, and Mars. I can't imagine not being entranced by the night sky now or ten thousand years ago.

I grew up with my aunt making french toast with sour dough french bread. I still make that some mornings for myself.

As a kid I wore Levis and went everywhere I could, barefoot. That's how I'm dressed this very moment.

I absolutely don't feel like a stick in the mud. I love what I love, and have no apologies for consistently resonating with the same experiences, tastes, culture, and philosophy.

No, I can't spell "evolution" - in fact, that is another thing I don't believe in. I am inclined, based on personal memory, auditing of others, and the archaeology detailed in the books of Zecharia Sitchin, to think our bodies never evolved. The basic form was whipped together by lab technicians, and put here on Earth.

I don't believe in the Easter Bunny either.

 

[lkwdblds]

You stay the SAME! What actually changes?

OMG, I have gained experience, but I feel the same inside, I don't feel I've changed at all. "I" have remained constant.

<snip....>

If you look at the photos posted on the CarmeloOrchards profile page, you'll see pictures of riders on horses - bareback. When I tried to learn to ride horseback initially, I had trouble with saddles, and quickly adapted to riding bareback because I had a better seat and feel that way.

When I went Clear in 1971, I felt more myself, and non "me" things had dropped away.

When I was 13, I walked precincts for Barry Goldwater (My parents were for Rockefeller). When I was 14, I read Ayn Rand. When I was twenty, I realized that I was a libertarian. Nearly 60 now, not a damned thing has changed.

<snip.....>

No, I can't spell "evolution" - in fact, that is another thing I don't believe in. I am inclined, based on personal memory, auditing of others, and the archaeology detailed in the books of Zecharia Sitchin, to think our bodies never evolved. The basic form was whipped together by lab technicians, and put here on Earth.

I don't believe in the Easter Bunny either.

Carmelo, you make an excellent point when you say, "'I have gained experience but I feel the same inside. I don;t feel that I have changed at all, I feel that I have remained constant." I had mentioned to Heidrun that I had evolved tremendously from who I was in 1971 and preferred myself today in a body nearly 39 years older.

I agree with your opening statement and this got me to looking. What we wrote is contradictory, you state you have remained constant and I imply that I have evolved as a being since 1971. It looks as if one of us is correct and one or us is wrong. However, I do not think that is the case. If I had to choose just one of the statements as true, I would choose yours over mine. However, no one is holding a gun forcing me to chose just one of the two assertions. When I was heavily participating on Vinaire's Oh! God!! thread things of this nature were being discussed often and I learned a lot.

LRH, the good part of LRH, had an HCOB called "You Can Be Right Too." I think that if I elaborate more about what I said, then my assertion that I have evolved can be re-construed so that it does not clash with your assertion that you have remained the same. This is an important point you raised in understanding life and I am going to take a stab at addressing and resoving our apparent conflict so that we can both be right.

The obvious example is computer hardware used in conjunction with computer software and the two of them using computer peripheral devices such as the key board, the mouse, printers, scanners, graphics and the like.

The simple example would be an old main frame computer taking up a lot of space in a computer room. Let us say the main frame is never changed and the computer is run in 1980 and generates specific output in the form of a graph.

Over the years, the main frame hardware does not change but the computer's memory is expanded by having new information fed into it. Lets insist the data is fed into the main memory, RAM or ROM or whatever you call it. If you add new memory chips or something like that, you change the hardware of the computer and I do not want to do that because it destroys the analogy I am pursuing. New data has to go into RAM.

The same problem is now rerun on the computer in 2009 and lo and behold, the graph coming out on the plotter now looks different. NOW THE QUESTION IS ASKED, AND THIS IS THE "64,000 QUESTION", HAS THE COMPUTER CHANGED?

Mind you, the hardware, the software and the peripheral devices are all unchanged but the computer generated graph is different due to new information being fed into RAM.

This brings into play the concept of time. Time is part of MEST, It is something created by theta so as to be able to create effects and have a game. You can not have time unless there is space and you can not have time unless there are some whizzies of energy or condensed energy called matter or objects whizzing back and forth in that space.

On Vinnie's thread, I learned that space is connected with "Separation". In this Hindu concept BRAHMA IS A VAST NOTHINGNESS WITH LIFE POTENTIAL WITHIN IT. WHEN LIFE POTENTIAL SEPARATES FROM NOTHINGNESS, THE CONCEPT OF SEPARATION IMPLIES THERE IS SPACE. LRH data from the factors can be used here since space needs to be continuously created and this is done by tiny whizzies, say dimension points, moving around (say reaching and withdrawing). Only once the whizzies are reaching and withdrawing can time exist. If the whizzies were to stop whizzing, time would stop there would be no space, no separation and LIFE POTENTIAL would merge back into the Nothingness of BRAHMA. For LRH purists, BRAHMA could be substituted for with the word STATIC.

So we have to have space to have separate thetans. To keep space mocked up we must have object whizzing around in that space and we must agree to these things in order to have a game and have discourse and shared realities among ourselves.

In this scenario, called "life" the thetan never changes and is actually exterior to the mocked up MESTuniverse and is keeping it going by constantly creating it. Meanwhile, inside the game where we are having discourse and discussing things among ourselves, there is an APPARENCY created that the complete person has changed and we see and notice this change and we AGREE that the person has changed. In physical universe terms, the PERSON has changed, his IQ tests, his OCA graphs, many things about the PERSON have changed in the agreed upon physical universe but the theta portion of the person, the person's essence, the part which is outside of the physical universe never changes.

Therefore, Carmelo is right and I am right too.
Lakey

 

[hbeer]

Consider the positive energy sent.
Lakey

Thank you Lakey!

It was a very good meeting with a super professional business owner who knows how things are put into the market in our corner of the world.

He likes my ideas - but I'm afraid there are papers missing and more cash than I can easily make.

The project is not entirely impossible, but I'll probably stick with my most recent project of translating the Clearbird materials and training my two new students...



Best,

Heidrun Beer
www.freezoneauditors.org/auditor/profile/105/

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
www.sgmt.at
www.RecastReality.org

 

[hbeer]

Humility

I wrote Yvonne a long letter with a copy to Irene Howey giving them an ultimatum. I told them that I was a total upstat at CCLA in everything I had done there. I paid in tons of money, did well on my auditing, completed all my training targets and per my own observations and what everyone has told me including Heber Jentzch and my arch nemisis, Don Keeler I AM THE BEST TREASURY STAFF MEMBER CCLA HAS EVER HAD AND ONE OF ITS BEST STAFF MEMBERS EVER. I gave up my high paying aerospace career to join your team and have worked diligently and long hours and in return, I was unfairly booted off the Dianetic Interneship, denied the Treasury Sec post in favor of a young unhatted 18 year old woman, and denied the FBO post in favor of a bright but unhatted person that was not even on staff. I further wrote that I AM TIRED OF BEING THE ORG DOORMAT WHO ANYONE CAN STEP ALL OVER. I stated that I agreed to leave tech training for two years to grow and increase Treasury Division and have done so, even hatting Kitty and Bob Georgius who should have been my juniors but were posted as my seniors.

Hi Lakey,


your discipline and confront and your level of decency and commitment in all these events were just unbelievable. I am sure you have heard this many times, but I simply have to say it too.

To me, the one thing that a master needs to complement his mastership is humility - the determination to serve others with his mastership. My role model in this is the Dalai Lama. He knows fully well that he is a part of God, maybe only one little hair on God's body but still a part of God, and yet there is not a milligram of arrogance or self importance in him.

I like it when people are proud of their abilities and accomplishments, but when they use them to make others smaller or look down on them, I know that they still have a lot to learn, even if they are very trained in their specific job.

The best training is useless if it is not motivated by the love for our fellow beings. I see very little of this love in the jungle monkeys who have populated your years in the church. I hope that this jungle time is over for you!



Best,


Heidrun Beer
www.freezoneauditors.org/auditor/profile/105/

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
www.sgmt.at
www.RecastReality.org

 

[hbeer]

Smoking

Before I continue with my story, I want to thank Carmelo Orchard for supplying me data I did not have. There is a reason why Richard Forbes got cancer and it has nothing to do with Yvonne and Yvonne's cancer most likely came from her not getting enough sleep over a period of years and not making sure she got proper medical care.

Again I apologize if I ask a question that someone else might have asked on a later page of this thread.

You don't mention smoking in your installments. Was it as bad as in the AOSH and FOLO orgs in Copenhagen, where everybody had to work in the thickest imaginable cloud of cigarette smoke?



Best,

Heidrun Beer
www.freezoneauditors.org/auditor/profile/105/

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
www.sgmt.at
www.RecastReality.org

 

[hbeer]

I FELT SUCH RAGE AND BETRAYAL THAT I WAS JUST TREMBLING AND ALL MY VERBAL COMM WAS DONE ALMOST YELLING, IN A VERY LOUD VOICE.

No one COULD remember for sure who her recruiter was and what building she had been taken to and I started yelling at them, something like, "What the fuck type of fucking organization is this where a 13 year girl is removed from a course which I had paid for To take her, without my fucking permission, several blocks away to recruit her with nobody fucking knowing where she is or how to get hold of her.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

They deserved that!

Don't you love it when a father gets enraged like that!



Best,

Heidrun Beer
www.freezoneauditors.org/auditor/profile/105/

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
www.sgmt.at
www.RecastReality.org